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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: drck1000 on May 12, 2016, 12:36:29 PM
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They didn't go into what improvements/features went into the main AK in this video, but it looks like it would be quite pricey. Probably way out of the range of what I would be willing to spend though. I've heard/read a bunch of discussions regarding accuracy potential and/or problems with the AK. I've always thought that it was definitely accurate enough in the context of use in defending yourself and family. With the ammo I buy, I don't expect to be shooting quarter sized groups either. ;D
That said, I would love to have regular access to ranges like the ones in the video. Best available locally (for me) is KR3 at Schofield, but that's rare. I've been out to the Puuloa range (for work, not related to shooting) and walked out to the 1,000 yard position and that looks like fun if I could take my Rem 700 out there!
I'm very much an AR person, but I've always been interested in the AK. I don't get to shoot my AK near as much as I want to. The same could be said for my ARs for that matter though. :(
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyegxlLnJE
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nTZJYU9VqA
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Oops! Thanks. I thought I linked the video in my original post. Doh
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lots of $$$ to make an AK "precision"
grab an AR and be done with it.... :rofl:
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precision AK
its like trying to make a Honda Civic fast
its possible. but why? ;)
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precision AK
its like trying to make a Honda Civic fast
its possible. but why? ;)
Why? Because it can be done
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http://rifledynamics.com/pages/rifle-dynamics-700-series-rifles-br-7-62x39
they are using one of these RD700 series AK in the top vid.
nice rifles
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Not particularly interested in a precision AK. More posted because it was interesting discussion and what they did. People put hundreds of dollars into all sorts of guns. Overheard guys talking about spending $800+ on their Glock. Not quite for me, mostly because I have other things I want to buy/do, but still interesting what people choose to do with their guns.
All of my ARs are pretty basic as well and don't see myself putting much more money into any of those for precision, but the Rem 700 is waiting for stuff like stock and other work.
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It's no big secret that I am a huge fan of the AR/M4/M16 platform and probably have more than my fair share of these rifles from stock to very high end, including precision types. But I am also an AK guy and am guilty of spending money there also, in fact I am doing one now. I am not however nearly as bad as those full blown AK wacko's. ;)
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I hardly shoot the AK mainly because I'm lazy in added cleaning after shooting Russian ammo even if the box says non-corrosive. I used WIN white box to sight in with a Pro Patrol sight.
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I do prefer the M4 pattern over the AK, but it takes me pretty much the same amount of time and effort to do an equivalent field strip, cleaning, lubrication and re-assembly of either weapon.
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I do prefer the M4 pattern over the AK, but it takes me pretty much the same amount of time and effort to do an equivalent field strip, cleaning, lubrication and re-assembly of either weapon.
Surf, if you shoot Russia ammo like Wolf, Tula or the bears, what do you use to clean your barrel and other internal parts?
Because I got the Arsenal black finish, I don't use Hoppes 9 or similar, just CLP. Others recommend Ballistol.
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Surf, if you shoot Russia ammo like Wolf, Tula or the bears, what do you use to clean your barrel and other internal parts?
Because I got the Arsenal black finish, I don't use Hoppes 9 or similar, just CLP. Others recommend Ballistol.
Aloha,
I shoot all of those ammo types. I use Mirachem gun cleaner / degreaser. It is biodegradable, non flammable, non toxic, non caustic, non corrosive and safe to all finishes that I have ever seen including paint. It is my go to cleaner for everything.
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I use Simple Green to clean my black powder guns. Nothing is more nasty and corrosive than black powder. Afterwards I dry the parts and apply liberal amounts of CLP or Ballistol.
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here's a tutorial in how to clean your AK. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIEBQQGKxBo
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It's no big secret that I am a huge fan of the AR/M4/M16 platform and probably have more than my fair share of these rifles from stock to very high end, including precision types. But I am also an AK guy and am guilty of spending money there also, in fact I am doing one now. I am not however nearly as bad as those full blown AK wacko's. ;)
I started to gather stuff for an AR that was more precision oriented, meaning something more than just a red dot. BHW barrel, Noveske lower (not that a particular lower mattered, just what I had selected for this build), etc. I even had a USO 1-8x lined up, but then the gun craze hit around 2012-2013ish and never got back to it. :(
For my AK, I'm just toying with just a red dot. First try will be via the Arsenal scope mount. I tired my old EoTech, but that was way too high. Will try a lower profile red dot like a Bushnell, Primary Arms, TruGlo copies of the T-1. If that doesn't pan out, then I'll likely go with the mount that replaces the handguard, like the Midwest Industries AK handguard.
I hardly shoot the AK mainly because I'm lazy in added cleaning after shooting Russian ammo even if the box says non-corrosive. I used WIN white box to sight in with a Pro Patrol sight.
Added cleaning? Have you had a bad experience from shooting stuff like Tula, Wolf, Silver Bear, etc? That's all I shoot with my AK and many times the cleaning is a few passes with a boresnake.
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http://rifledynamics.com/pages/rifle-dynamics-700-series-rifles-br-7-62x39
they are using one of these RD700 series AK in the top vid.
nice rifles
The RD702 seems like something I'd try. But at $2200. . . :(
Yeah, I am sure they do high quality work. Just can't justify spending that kind of money on an AK. At least right now.
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I started to gather stuff for an AR that was more precision oriented, meaning something more than just a red dot. BHW barrel, Noveske lower (not that a particular lower mattered, just what I had selected for this build), etc. I even had a USO 1-8x lined up, but then the gun craze hit around 2012-2013ish and never got back to it. :(
For my AK, I'm just toying with just a red dot. First try will be via the Arsenal scope mount. I tired my old EoTech, but that was way too high. Will try a lower profile red dot like a Bushnell, Primary Arms, TruGlo copies of the T-1. If that doesn't pan out, then I'll likely go with the mount that replaces the handguard, like the Midwest Industries AK handguard.
Added cleaning? Have you had a bad experience from shooting stuff like Tula, Wolf, Silver Bear, etc? That's all I shoot with my AK and many times the cleaning is a few passes with a boresnake.
I like Noveske lowers and do the majority of my work off of them.
As for the AK if you want low profile, I would stick more with the Ulitmak or similar product that replaces the gas tube. I do run the RS Regulate on more than one rifle, but the railed gas tube set up is the best for keeping a lower profile.
I am currently awaiting this rail exact rail and picatinny gas tube to arrive from SLR Rifleworks. Which come to look at it, is exactly what is in the video above. I have a couple of their AR rails and like the work. The railed dust cover is from Texasweaponsystems.com. Not convinced on the dust cover as I really wouldn't want to mount an optic on it anyway, so I am lost on its utility and I already run the RS Regulate. Pretty much the RS Regulate mounts NV optic, so it is easy on / off and the front rail runs the red dot, which stays mounted. Red dot to NV optic with a simple throw of a lever.
(http://i1324.photobucket.com/albums/u601/SLRrifleworks/Mobile%20Uploads/FA13FF9B-1EC5-4F7A-939B-28851CAD76D0_zpszbv9hfew.jpg)
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I like Noveske lowers and do the majority of my work off of them.
As for the AK if you want low profile, I would stick more with the Ulitmak or similar product that replaces the gas tube. I do run the RS Regulate on more than one rifle, but the railed gas tube set up is the best for keeping a lower profile.
I am currently awaiting this rail exact rail and picatinny gas tube to arrive from SLR Rifleworks. Which come to look at it, is exactly what is in the video above. I have a couple of their AR rails and like the work. The railed dust cover is from Texasweaponsystems.com. Not convinced on the dust cover as I really wouldn't want to mount an optic on it anyway, so I am lost on its utility and I already run the RS Regulate. Pretty much the RS Regulate mounts NV optic, so it is easy on / off and the front rail runs the red dot, which stays mounted. Red dot to NV optic with a simple throw of a lever.
I went with the Arsenal SM-13 first because all it required was a simple mount to the receiver. Didn't realize that it would put the optic so high. I guess I could swap out the stock for something more AR/M4 like, but not that many stocks for milled receivers. I found couple CAA ones that looked promising, but sort of wanted to keep the original stock, at least for now.
The gasblock/handguard mount was always an interesting option and now that I don't think the scope mount method will work for me, that's probably where I'll end up. I've heard of the Ultimak rails as well and I think one friend has it on his AK, but I don't shoot with him that often.
Now that SLR Rifleworks setup looks AWESOME! My next AR upper will have the BCM Keymod rail, so that setup would be great! I really like that it doesn't require any MODs to the base gun. The AK 11.5" MID Keymod - A looks promising, though pricey when you add the full length gas tube. Another thing to add to the "to buy" list.
I've looked at the Texas Weapon System dust cover rail and I liked the concept at first, but I always wondered how much that cover moves. Seems like in a couple online video reviews that it wasn't a problem. I'm not really into making my AK into a precision gun (despite the thread title), but I'd still like to have confidence that the optic isn't going to be moving around.
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Now that SLR Rifleworks setup looks AWESOME! My next AR upper will have the BCM Keymod rail, so that setup would be great! I really like that it doesn't require any MODs to the base gun. The AK 11.5" MID Keymod - A looks promising, though pricey when you add the full length gas tube. Another thing to add to the "to buy" list.
I've looked at the Texas Weapon System dust cover rail and I liked the concept at first, but I always wondered how much that cover moves. Seems like in a couple online video reviews that it wasn't a problem. I'm not really into making my AK into a precision gun (despite the thread title), but I'd still like to have confidence that the optic isn't going to be moving around.
The SLR set up is not cheap, but when talking AR rails and stuff, not priced out of range. I ordered AK 13.5" Mid Keymod-A - AK Mount: MOD 1 - Full Length Gas Tube: Full Length Gas Tube.. and it came out to $298 and change which includes the $13 flat rate shipping.
Yep, I didn't want to mount an optic to the TWS railed dust cover due to possible shift and I have the RS mount already which has been very good with repeatable zero. Not sure if the RS mount would clear the dust cover either? I have an NV scope mounted to the RS and it will sit just high enough to clear the red dot mounted on the railed gas tube. So I don't need to remove or offset the red dot when I mount the NV optic. So when not needed the bulk of the NV is unmounted and I still have a pretty light bush rifle for pigs, which is the set ups primary purpose.
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Thanks Stang, Surf and Inspector on the cleaning tips.
Below is my SLR personal defense weapon. Has a pro patrol red dot on a RS regulate AK-303 rail with AKM ring.
Probably takes me longer to take the pic and post it than to clean the rifle.
The pic might be upside down, can't figure out how to save the rotated view.
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The pic might be upside down, can't figure out how to save the rotated view.
Yep, came out upside down, sorry gang. Told you it takes longer to figure this photo posting especially using Hickok 45's way to clean the AK
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The SLR set up is not cheap, but when talking AR rails and stuff, not priced out of range. I ordered AK 13.5" Mid Keymod-A - AK Mount: MOD 1 - Full Length Gas Tube: Full Length Gas Tube.. and it came out to $298 and change which includes the $13 flat rate shipping.
Yep, I didn't want to mount an optic to the TWS railed dust cover due to possible shift and I have the RS mount already which has been very good with repeatable zero. Not sure if the RS mount would clear the dust cover either? I have an NV scope mounted to the RS and it will sit just high enough to clear the red dot mounted on the railed gas tube. So I don't need to remove or offset the red dot when I mount the NV optic. So when not needed the bulk of the NV is unmounted and I still have a pretty light bush rifle for pigs, which is the set ups primary purpose.
Yeah, the SLR rail isn't expensive overall when compared to AR rails and even cost of shooting stuff in general, especially when you factor in optics. I generally think of AK as overall inexpensive, or maybe less expensive. Cheaper in terms of cost of gun when compared to ARs (of course depending on which manufacturer and what you do with it) and ammo. Though AK ammo isn't as cheap anymore. :( I don't shoot the AK that often, so it doesn't get the same attention as my ARs do. But those SLR handguards and optic rail are definitely on my list to buy!
A buddy in Texas (near Houston) hunts pigs with NV and suppressors. Sounds like fun where they ATV out there and hunt. I've also heard the pigs/hogs are damn smart. He told me this story of where a pack of around 60 of them seemed to be surrounding he and his buddy. They both had ARs, but not that much ammo. :o
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Yep, came out upside down, sorry gang. Told you it takes longer to figure this photo posting especially using Hickok 45's way to clean the AK
Interesting that the pic shows up just fine (optic side up) on Tapatalk. :thumbsup:
With that stock, are you able to get a good cheekweld with that optic height?
When I put my old EoTech 512 on the Arsenal scope mount, it was more like a chin weld to see the dot since the optic was so high!
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Interesting that the pic shows up just fine (optic side up) on Tapatalk. :thumbsup:
With that stock, are you able to get a good cheekweld with that optic height?
When I put my old EoTech 512 on the Arsenal scope mount, it was more like a chin weld to see the dot since the optic was so high!
Glad the photo came out ok. When I e-mailed it to myself for some reason it was upside down and I couldn't right side I up.
The folding stock is factory and although I shot this years ago, I didn't remember any issues with the height affecting my cheek weld on stock.
I will take a measurement from a fixed location on the receiver to centerline of the sight and let you know so it might help to compare with your 512. I got the RS AK-303 which is the full length rail to get more options. The Pro Patrol might not be the best red dot style for an AK but I wanted to try.
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Glad the photo came out ok. When I e-mailed it to myself for some reason it was upside down and I couldn't right side I up.
The folding stock is factory and although I shot this years ago, I didn't remember any issues with the height affecting my cheek weld on stock.
I will take a measurement from a fixed location on the receiver to centerline of the sight and let you know so it might help to compare with your 512. I got the RS AK-303 which is the full length rail to get more options. The Pro Patrol might not be the best red dot style for an AK but I wanted to try.
No worries about taking measurements. I no longer have the 512 and I'm likely going to eventually go to mounting a red dot on a rail section over the gas block. Thanks tho! :thumbsup:
I have an Aimpoint PRO on a beater AR. It's a good optic, but I agree that maybe not the best for AK, especially if one is looking for something more low profile. I would love to get an Aimpoint Micro to mount on the AK, but they are just too darn pricey. I have a couple of micros on ARs, so I might just try one of those, at least to try. I also wouldn't mind trying a RMR type dot on an AK as well.
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A buddy in Texas (near Houston) hunts pigs with NV and suppressors. Sounds like fun where they ATV out there and hunt. I've also heard the pigs/hogs are damn smart. He told me this story of where a pack of around 60 of them seemed to be surrounding he and his buddy. They both had ARs, but not that much ammo. :o
Pigs are extremely smart, especially when it comes to trapping them and it is somewhat like a chess match. Feeders or dogs make it easier. Hunting in hours of darkness is not legal unless if you hold a special permit. While you will not hear guys shooting, you will hear A LOT of dog hunting going on after the hours of darkness especially in out of the way places. Even on private lands and that is what pisses me off.
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I have an Aimpoint PRO on a beater AR. It's a good optic, but I agree that maybe not the best for AK, especially if one is looking for something more low profile. I would love to get an Aimpoint Micro to mount on the AK, but they are just too darn pricey. I have a couple of micros on ARs, so I might just try one of those, at least to try. I also wouldn't mind trying a RMR type dot on an AK as well.
Have you considered a Vortex Razor red dot? They come in 6 moa dot for close work too and cost less than Trijicons etc.. I don't have one but have 2 different Vortex sights which to me sighted in quicker than my Aimpoint Pro and T-1. Downsides is battery life less than Aimpoint.
Aimpoint is the best but I also like Vortex products. Good luck with your AK.
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Have you considered a Vortex Razor red dot? They come in 6 moa dot for close work too and cost less than Trijicons etc.. I don't have one but have 2 different Vortex sights which to me sighted in quicker than my Aimpoint Pro and T-1. Downsides is battery life less than Aimpoint.
Aimpoint is the best but I also like Vortex products. Good luck with your AK.
Yeah, I did consider the Vortex Razor. At around $400, I'd probably spring a little more for a micro. The Venom is on that I am seriously considering too. The Bushnell TRS-25 is another I am looking at.
I am a fan of Vortex though. I have a Viper PST FFP on my Rem 700 and love it! I think they are excellent value for the money!
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Yeah, I did consider the Vortex Razor. At around $400, I'd probably spring a little more for a micro. The Venom is on that I am seriously considering too. The Bushnell TRS-25 is another I am looking at.
I am a fan of Vortex though. I have a Viper PST FFP on my Rem 700 and love it! I think they are excellent value for the money!
I have the Venom on my 1894 lever rifle in .357 mag. Like this little sight, easy to sight in mounted on a receiver rail. But with the small size adjustment controls are small. With Memorial day coming up you might find at a good price.
Venom use CR-1632 batts which are hard to find but bought extra at Battery Bill's for a good price.