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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: 556fun on May 23, 2016, 01:06:08 PM
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any suggestions on a budget 300 win mag for use at kokohead - i was looking at the ruger model 16912 in their website - any idea what would be a good start up rifle :shaka:
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Budget does not relate well to a 300 WinMag unless you are shooting a few rounds on the weekend and not ringing gongs all day long.
It's like buying a Corvette with an 87 octane fuel budget.
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understood - any suggestions on a 300 or 308 that can bang away at 100 to 200 yards. kinda figured cheap and 308 not in the same dictionary - just have no ideas on what to consider
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I suggest looking at 300 win mag or 308 win ammo costs and looking at how many rounds you expect to shoot for a session.
A quick search http://www.sportsmansguide.com/productlist/ammo-shooting/rifle-ammo/300-winchester-magnum-ammo?d=121&c=96&s=2860
shows that its about $1 per round without any other costs.
I have seen Remington 300 win mag rifles for a little over $1000 and Savage rifles too. 300 win mag barrel life isn't as long as other calibers. Short lived. Live fast, die young.
If you plan on shooting steel, factor in the cost of it as well. I surmise that you will go through steel more often than a person shooting 22LR.
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Savage makes a cheap 300winmag. I used to ring that gong at 440 all day with that. Now it just sits in the cabinet... Too much recoil to punch paper at 100yds
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I reload 300 win mag for my friend. While practicing for an African safari, his leoupold scope mount cracked.
Leoupold sent him a replacement for free. Then he went on his trip. All this happened within the last 2 years.
While on his African trip, some part of his (sako?)rifle broke. He ended up borrowing a rifle for the rest of the trip.
I suppose the moral of this story is that the 300 is not something you want to shoot a lot of, unless you have a heavy type action rifle.
The rifles that immediately come to mind are the barret 98b and savage 110b.
I don't even want to tell you how much it cost to buy or reload the ammo.
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understood - any suggestions on a 300 or 308 that can bang away at 100 to 200 yards. kinda figured cheap and 308 not in the same dictionary - just have no ideas on what to consider
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Ruger and Savage make some affordable 308 bolt actions
pretty decent for the price. not the best, but a good place to start.
I got my RAR 308 for under $400 out the door
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You can shoot 308 and 3006 at Puuloa range. Can't shoot win mag there.
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You can shoot 308 and 3006 at Puuloa range. Can't shoot win mag there.
Have they approved 6.5 Creedmore?
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Why the interest in a 300 win mag as a range gun? Why not .308? You could even look at 300 blackout. I think I recall Ruger making an inexpensive bolt action 300 blackout. But again, I don't really know what you are getting at.
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kinda figured cheap and 308 not in the same dictionary
If cheap and .308 aren't in the same dictionary then never mind ,300 win mag. I don't even shoot my .300's or .338 due to ammo costs, unless if it is for specific reasons.
If this is a KKHD pinker, you are set to 100yds and even punching paper with a .308 is monotonous and gets costly. I actually think a .22 is more challenging and fun and far less costly.
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understood - any suggestions on a 300 or 308 that can bang away at 100 to 200 yards. kinda figured cheap and 308 not in the same dictionary - just have no ideas on what to consider
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556,
It's been fun reading the comments, but really, what is YOUR reason for wanting to shoot a 30 cal?
I can think of many reasons, but what is yours?
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First off - thank you everyone for your POV i definitely appreciate the your time to write in on this subject matter.
ok OF, my interest in purchasing a .308 is part of expanding my personal experience in shooting different type of rifles and I was thinking of purchasing a 3rd caliber type.
I realize the cost of ammo from a .22 to .223 and especially to a .308 is quite considerable. my use would primarily be kkhd with hopes and anticipation of shooting at puuloa some day. I used this forum to gain an insight what to look for as there appears to be a lot of experience and information one can gain from this site. I've been in this sport for a very short period of time and am finding out quickly I suck at shooting pistols and have favored the .22 and 5.56/.223 rifles. I've have also been reading bolt action rifles are more accurate than semi-auto's, so instead of buying another .223 with bolt action, that i would try a .308 bolt.
In looking, I see savage and ruger rifles going for $400 to $500 but not really sure they're worth buying, or am i better off plunging the $1.5k and if so, what kind of .308 is worth the $1.5k. and if the consensus was a $1.5k purchase, i might as well as wait until next year's christmas and hide the expense from my wife there. LOL! Seriously, if I could get away comfortably with a budget .308 I may get one probably after paying the private school tuition!
by the way, I am not looking to be a navy seal but more of a weekend warrior enjoying the sport / art of shooting a rifle. as for hunting, no can do, i cannot even bring myself to kill anything with 4 legs and eyes.
If I decide to get a .308, I may sell my ati or pistols to help also fund a .308 if i need to. right now just asking and thinking! Thanks again for everyone's your wisdom's
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First off - thank you everyone for your POV i definitely appreciate the your time to write in on this subject matter.
ok OF, my interest in purchasing a .308 is part of expanding my personal experience in shooting different type of rifles and I was thinking of purchasing a 3rd caliber type.
I realize the cost of ammo from a .22 to .223 and especially to a .308 is quite considerable. my use would primarily be kkhd with hopes and anticipation of shooting at puuloa some day. I used this forum to gain an insight what to look for as there appears to be a lot of experience and information one can gain from this site. I've been in this sport for a very short period of time and am finding out quickly I suck at shooting pistols and have favored the .22 and 5.56/.223 rifles. I've have also been reading bolt action rifles are more accurate than semi-auto's, so instead of buying another .223 with bolt action, that i would try a .308 bolt.
In looking, I see savage and ruger rifles going for $400 to $500 but not really sure they're worth buying, or am i better off plunging the $1.5k and if so, what kind of .308 is worth the $1.5k. and if the consensus was a $1.5k purchase, i might as well as wait until next year's christmas and hide the expense from my wife there. LOL! Seriously, if I could get away comfortably with a budget .308 I may get one probably after paying the private school tuition!
by the way, I am not looking to be a navy seal but more of a weekend warrior enjoying the sport / art of shooting a rifle. as for hunting, no can do, i cannot even bring myself to kill anything with 4 legs and eyes.
If I decide to get a .308, I may sell my ati or pistols to help also fund a .308 if i need to. right now just asking and thinking! Thanks again for everyone's your wisdom's
Pistols are by nature harder to shoot well, I know I suck. If I practice I do better it helps to have knowledgeable friends or other helpful forum members to mentor you and let you know what could be improved upon. OF is one of the many here that will coach and mentor.
If you can try and make it to an HDF open shoot they announce their range days here on 2aHI, they are the last Saturday of the month https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23122.0
It's a good way to meet like minded others and sample others firearms.
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If not for hunting I would get something along the lines of a Kimber advanced tactical or Ruger precision.I like tikkas but for me I want lighter rifles to carry while hunting. cant go wrong with a 308.
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When I first bought pistols I sucked at it too. Nobody helped me to figure out why my target looked like a shotgun pattern.
Then one day a range officer gave me some tips and then it all started to make sense. I was hooked.
Prior to that I only went bird hunting or shot 22 rifle. Handgun is much more difficult to master.
So nowadays I enjoy coaching newbie pistol shooters and also help people start reloading their own ammo, as my time allows.
I would gladly attempt to help you to not suck at pistol shooting. It's just a matter of finding time.
Maybe it will be easier when that xring range opens up.
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When I first bought pistols I sucked at it too. Nobody helped me to figure out why my target looked like a shotgun pattern.
Then one day a range officer gave me some tips and then it all started to make sense. I was hooked.
Prior to that I only went bird hunting or shot 22 rifle. Handgun is much more difficult to master.
So nowadays I enjoy coaching newbie pistol shooters and also help people start reloading their own ammo, as my time allows.
I would gladly attempt to help you to not suck at pistol shooting. It's just a matter of finding time.
Maybe it will be easier when that xring range opens up.
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OF - at least your's looked like you hit it even though it was a shotgun pattern. I went home last sunday with splinters in both hand - i hit the frame more than the target and the spaces in between the targets
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Shooting rifles and pistols are about equal in difficulty, it's just that shooting a rifle with optics at 100 yards from a comfy bench isn't the equivalent of shooting a pistol at 25 yards. I'd say shooting with iron sights at 300 yards from the prone or 100 yards standing would be the equivalent. It's finding ways to challenge and improve yourself.
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I'd recommend 308 in a bolt if you already have semiautos. 308 can go out to 1,000 yards, useable at almost any range and training facility and competitions, has manageable recoil, wide selection of ammo and guns, easy to get ammo, and is fairly affordable. I've heard he Remington 700 police or SPS models are good quality and value under $1,000. The other $500 can go towards a good scope and accessories.
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Like many mentioned above, I rarely shoot my 308 anymore largely due to ammo costs. Another big part is lack of interest in punching paper at 100 yards. It was really fun to hit (or try to hit) those smaller steel out beyond 200 yards.
You can probably still get a decent Rem 700 for the $600-700ish range. I think my SPS was around $575 in 2012 or so. Expect to spend at least that amount for glass.
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to me, sounds like you are wanting an entry level bolt gun
Ruger, Savage, Winchester makes some good ones to name a few
they can be had for under 500, my Ruger American was under 400. its plenty good enough for punching paper at Kokohead
if you want better quality rifle and its in your budget, go for it!
I can understand your desire to shoot a bigger caliber, or just something different
I feel the same way about rifles and handguns. I don't need a 44mag handgun, but I enjoy shooting it a lot.
sometimes you just want to shoot something bigger, nothing wrong with that.
good luck in your quest. :shaka:
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to me, sounds like you are wanting an entry level bolt gun
Ruger, Savage, Winchester makes some good ones to name a few
they can be had for under 500, my Ruger American was under 400. its plenty good enough for punching paper at Kokohead
if you want better quality rifle and its in your budget, go for it!
I can understand your desire to shoot a bigger caliber, or just something different
I feel the same way about rifles and handguns. I don't need a 44mag handgun, but I enjoy shooting it a lot.
sometimes you just want to shoot something bigger, nothing wrong with that.
good luck in your quest. :shaka:
yeah, i started this sport with a ATI and liked shooting 5.56/.223 so much that i bought a mk114 pws and really enjoy that rifle very much. so got to thinking of trying a starter .308 and if I liked that I would then consider upgrading to good .308. I just dont know what its like shooting a bigger caliber gun. on the other hand I was watching this girl shoot a .308 or similar caliber a couple of weeks ago and with every 100 yard shot she took a second later i hear the clank of her steel target. damn!
any thoughts on a remington 700 SPS varmint or ruger vortex - but if you think its a waste of money no problem there too!
thanks again for chiming in!
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A childhood mentor reminds me that: "After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true"
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556,
No disrespect meant but I see many newer shooters get into buying all sorts of guns. I get it as a new shooter it's exciting and fun to shoot anything and everything. There really is a lot of different disciplines in shooting ie. Tactical, precision, target, hunting etc... My recommendation would be to shoot the crap out of what you have and be proficient with them. Figure out what type of shooting you're leaning towards than buy guns tailored to that discipline. Like many sports, you can't buy skill. Practicing proper fundamentals and techniques will be far more worthwhile than owning a safe full of guns.
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...by the way, I am not looking to be a navy seal but more of a weekend warrior enjoying the sport / art of shooting a rifle. as for hunting, no can do, i cannot even bring myself to kill anything with 4 legs and eyes.
Sorry about busting your lamb chops a bit, but are ya a Vegan?
Not that there is anything wrong with that.....
any thoughts on a remington 700 SPS varmint or ruger vortex - but if you think its a waste of money no problem there too!
thanks again for chiming in!
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Remington SPS is a good rifle for its price. All that I have seen are true sub MOA shooters, usually less and a simple stock swap can drop them to a 1/2 MOA shooter with quality match grade ammo. Of course as mentioned, you can get away with an OK rifle, but don't want to go too cheap on the optic. You can easily spend twice as much or more on the optic.
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OF - at least your's looked like you hit it even though it was a shotgun pattern. I went home last sunday with splinters in both hand - i hit the frame more than the target and the spaces in between the targets
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Sounds like you need some intervention here.
I suspect that if your pistol target looks that bad, you might need some fundamental marksmanship help.
If we can get your pistol shooting to improve, I'll bet your rifle shooting will improve also because the handgun seriously magnifies fundamental marksmanship problems.
Then you might find your ar15 rifles much more interesting.
The ar pattern rifles are also the typical rifle of choice for the puuloa club shoots.
Guys improve the long range accuracy of the ar type rifles by handloading the ammo.
If you're seriously bitten by the shootin' bug, I suggest looking into loading your own ammo before getting into a 30 cal. Rifle.
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Sorry about busting your lamb chops a bit, but are ya a Vegan?
Am I vegan lol that's a good I got more than a few pounds to lose to be considered vegan!
Nah I just don't think I can kill an animal - punks who choke, hurt, scare old ladies on the other hand maybe a different story!
By the way if you anymore of them uncooked lamb chops - cook'em up and I'll bring the mint jelly!
Not that there is anything wrong with that.....
Remington SPS is a good rifle for its price. All that I have seen are true sub MOA shooters, usually less and a simple stock swap can drop them to a 1/2 MOA shooter with quality match grade ammo. Of course as mentioned, you can get away with an OK rifle, but don't want to go too cheap on the optic. You can easily spend twice as much or more on the optic.
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Sounds like you need some intervention here.
I suspect that if your pistol target looks that bad, you might need some fundamental marksmanship help.
If we can get your pistol shooting to improve, I'll bet your rifle shooting will improve also because the handgun seriously magnifies fundamental marksmanship problems.
Then you might find your ar15 rifles much more interesting.
The ar pattern rifles are also the typical rifle of choice for the puuloa club shoots.
Guys improve the long range accuracy of the ar type rifles by handloading the ammo.
If you're seriously bitten by the shootin' bug, I suggest looking into loading your own ammo before getting into a 30 cal. Rifle.
Good morning OF - intervention yes is definitely needed! Marksmanship on rifles, pistols, spending time every week visiting gun shops drooling over everything including cotton swabs lol! Yes def need intervention on this addiction - especially reloading - just ran out of empty cases to load!
Thank goodness I didn't take up knitting
Have a great day guys!
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Good morning OF - intervention yes is definitely needed! Marksmanship on rifles, pistols, spending time every week visiting gun shops drooling over everything including cotton swabs lol! Yes def need intervention on this addiction - especially reloading - just ran out of empty cases to load!
Thank goodness I didn't take up knitting
Have a great day guys!
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Sorry, lost track of your progress. You are already reloading 223.
Very good! You shooting factory ammo from your vp9?
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Good morning OF - intervention yes is definitely needed! Marksmanship on rifles, pistols, spending time every week visiting gun shops drooling over everything including cotton swabs lol! Yes def need intervention on this addiction - especially reloading - just ran out of empty cases to load!
Thank goodness I didn't take up knitting
Have a great day guys!
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many of us will attest that OF is an extremely patient teacher, both in pistol shooting and reloading
i would suggest taking him up on his offer
and coming out to shoot at hdf range days and/or HRA/LIFE fun shoots
hdf is the last saturday of every month and HRA/LIFE is the last sunday of every month, so this weekend
let me know if you want more details
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many of us will attest that OF is an extremely patient teacher, both in pistol shooting and reloading
i would suggest taking him up on his offer
and coming out to shoot at hdf range days and/or HRA/LIFE fun shoots
hdf is the last saturday of every month and HRA/LIFE is the last sunday of every month, so this weekend
let me know if you want more details
Agreed! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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many of us will attest that OF is an extremely patient teacher, both in pistol shooting and reloading
i would suggest taking him up on his offer
and coming out to shoot at hdf range days and/or HRA/LIFE fun shoots
hdf is the last saturday of every month and HRA/LIFE is the last sunday of every month, so this weekend
let me know if you want more details
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thank you mac - i will probably hit up the july hdf range day - will be in kauai this weekend taking my son to a jr golf tournament and to ucla in june - but def on this board for more great info and advice.
extremely appreciative for everyone's feedback and insights!
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many of us will attest that OF is an extremely patient teacher, both in pistol shooting and reloading
i would suggest taking him up on his offer
and coming out to shoot at hdf range days and/or HRA/LIFE fun shoots
hdf is the last saturday of every month and HRA/LIFE is the last sunday of every month, so this weekend
let me know if you want more details
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The fun shoots are great. I would go all the time if I didn't have to work.
I enjoy helping out newbies. my problem is finding the time.
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I enjoy helping out newbies. my problem is finding the time.
Quit being so selfish OF and quit your job so you can help more newbs!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Quit being so selfish OF and quit your job so you can help more newbs!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Hmmmm good idea.
Then I'll be homeless and I can live in the bushes at the shooting range. :thumbsup:
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thank you mac - i will probably hit up the july hdf range day - will be in kauai this weekend taking my son to a jr golf tournament and to ucla in june - but def on this board for more great info and advice.
extremely appreciative for everyone's feedback and insights!
july is likely to be pistol
i would advise you to brush up on your firearms handling and marksmanship before then
and research holsters and mag carriers, then purchase and practice using them dry at home
at some point, i will start going to HRA/LIFE shoots again, but since we are usually pretty worn out from working in the sun on saturday, it makes it tough to make it to the range again on sunday
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yeah, i started this sport with a ATI and liked shooting 5.56/.223 so much that i bought a mk114 pws and really enjoy that rifle very much. so got to thinking of trying a starter .308 and if I liked that I would then consider upgrading to good .308. I just dont know what its like shooting a bigger caliber gun. on the other hand I was watching this girl shoot a .308 or similar caliber a couple of weeks ago and with every 100 yard shot she took a second later i hear the clank of her steel target. damn!
any thoughts on a remington 700 SPS varmint or ruger vortex - but if you think its a waste of money no problem there too!
thanks again for chiming in!
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a couple of my friends have the Remington 700. its a great rifle. its a better rifle than my Ruger American in .308. the 700 has been around for a long time and has many upgrades available for that platform
the RAR is a budget entry level bolt rifle, and that's all I expect out of it. I may choose to upgrade later but for now its good enough for what I want out of it
I also mounted a Vortex optic on it. I think its a different scope than what they offer with the American vortex package.
you are welcome to try it and see how you like it before buying one. lmk.
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556,
No disrespect meant but I see many newer shooters get into buying all sorts of guns. I get it as a new shooter it's exciting and fun to shoot anything and everything. There really is a lot of different disciplines in shooting ie. Tactical, precision, target, hunting etc... My recommendation would be to shoot the crap out of what you have and be proficient with them. Figure out what type of shooting you're leaning towards than buy guns tailored to that discipline. Like many sports, you can't buy skill. Practicing proper fundamentals and techniques will be far more worthwhile than owning a safe full of guns.
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Went window shopping today discovered one thing i definitely not going ever consider a .270 rifle - at $2.25 a shot fuhgettabouit! LOL!
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Went window shopping today discovered one thing i definitely not going ever consider a .270 rifle - at $2.25 a shot fuhgettabouit! LOL!
Really?
Federal Gold Medal Match 308 should still be available at around $1-1.50 per round. I haven't shot 270 in a while, but I always thought it was around the same price at 308.
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Went window shopping today discovered one thing i definitely not going ever consider a .270 rifle - at $2.25 a shot fuhgettabouit! LOL!
the 270 is a great cartridge.dont know where we're shopping but most of the ammo costs around $1.25-$2.00 a round the more premium stuff is $2.25-$2.50. I just bought a variety from young guns to try out in my new tikka 270
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Since you reload you have the opportunity to shoot lead bullets at reduced velocities. In this way you can bring your cost per round down to almost (I said almost) what it costs you to reload 5.56 with a jacketed bullet. For instance, I reload for my Mosin Nagant. The cartridge is 7.62x54R. Similar to the .308 (7.62x51) in size. I load it with a 200gr LRN bullet over 21.5gr of IMR4198 with a large rifle primer.
Cost:
Bullet = $0.15
Powder = $0.11
Primer = $0.04
Not including the case cost I spend about 30 cents per round. That is about the same price as bulk commercial 5.56 ammo. And this round goes about 1,400 fps and has about the same amount of recoil as the 5.56. Only it really rings our gongs pretty good! It's just fine for the 100yd range we are limited to. You can also choose to shoot reduced jacketed loads where the bullet would cost around 30 to 35 cents and the powder at 28-32gr of H4895 to start at around 16 cents would net you around 50-55 cents per round. I see prices around $1 per round for commercial ammo here on island. You might be able to do better, I don't know. But if you really want a 30 caliber rifle you could justify the additional ammo costs by shooting reduced and lead topped loads.
Just a suggestion.
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Since you reload you have the opportunity to shoot lead bullets at reduced velocities. In this way you can bring your cost per round down to almost (I said almost) what it costs you to reload 5.56 with a jacketed bullet. For instance, I reload for my Mosin Nagant. The cartridge is 7.62x54R. Similar to the .308 (7.62x51) in size. I load it with a 200gr LRN bullet over 21.5gr of IMR4198 with a large rifle primer.
Cost:
Bullet = $0.15
Powder = $0.11
Primer = $0.04
Not including the case cost I spend about 30 cents per round. That is about the same price as bulk commercial 5.56 ammo. And this round goes about 1,400 fps and has about the same amount of recoil as the 5.56. Only it really rings our gongs pretty good! It's just fine for the 100yd range we are limited to. You can also choose to shoot reduced jacketed loads where the bullet would cost around 30 to 35 cents and the powder at 28-32gr of H4895 to start at around 16 cents would net you around 50-55 cents per round. I see prices around $1 per round for commercial ammo here on island. You might be able to do better, I don't know. But if you really want a 30 caliber rifle you could justify the additional ammo costs by shooting reduced and lead topped loads.
Just a suggestion.
Definitely, if I do get a .308 reloading is an absolute must to keep the cost of shooting as economical as possible. Thank you for the cost breakdown - saves me spreadsheet time!
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A childhood mentor reminds me that: "After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true"
I think I just climaxed....
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A childhood mentor reminds me that: "After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true"
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Mr. Spock 1967 episode "Amok Time".
Classic Star Trek!
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Am I vegan lol that's a good I got more than a few pounds to lose to be considered vegan!
Nah I just don't think I can kill an animal - punks who choke, hurt, scare old ladies on the other hand maybe a different story!
By the way if you anymore of them uncooked lamb chops - cook'em up and I'll bring the mint jelly!
Maybe some smoked meat instead.
Sorry, not busting on you, I just have a difficult time with the fact that people will eat meat from a store, but are not willing to harvest their own, or worse those meat eating types that might even be against hunting. That one really chaps me. I am not saying that you are against hunting either.....but I am digressing a bit on this one. ;)
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Getting back to the topic here a little bit.....
I have a friend who has an RAR in .308. And it is pretty darn accurate with his handloads considering he hasn't developed a load for the gun and with commercial ammo. But being that it is a hunting style rifle and not a target style, the barrel heats up after only 3 or 4 rounds (maybe 5) and POA starts changing because of it. Just something to consider if you are not going for a target barrel.
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Maybe some smoked meat instead.
Sorry, not busting on you, I just have a difficult time with the fact that people will eat meat from a store, but are not willing to harvest their own, or worse those meat eating types that might even be against hunting. That one really chaps me. I am not saying that you are against hunting either.....but I am digressing a bit on this one. ;)
no worry about it! I just too fricken lazy to harvest my own meat or hang out in the woods to shoot an animal, gut it, pack it and drag it back to the car. sorry, I respect those who want and can do it.
plus every time i think of shooting an animal i see of the eyes of my dog.
on the otherhand i may get a bb gun and go plinking mongooses on the golf courses.
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Getting back to the topic here a little bit.....
I have a friend who has an RAR in .308. And it is pretty darn accurate with his handloads considering he hasn't developed a load for the gun and with commercial ammo. But being that it is a hunting style rifle and not a target style, the barrel heats up after only 3 or 4 rounds (maybe 5) and POA starts changing because of it. Just something to consider if you are not going for a target barrel.
is it a high priced RAR .308 or entry level rifle - still havent decided what .308 to consider or even to buy a .308 - for sure, I agree with bushido's advice and shoot the crap of what I have now and get proficient with what I have.
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Maybe check this one out.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=22744.0
Although I personally enjoy the 243 cartridge.
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Maybe check this one out.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=22744.0
Although I personally enjoy the 243 cartridge.
Thank you - been looking at it - still deciding what to do -
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is it a high priced RAR .308 or entry level rifle - still havent decided what .308 to consider or even to buy a .308 - for sure, I agree with bushido's advice and shoot the crap of what I have now and get proficient with what I have.
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I don't know. I didn't know there were different levels of the RAR. I happen to agree with Bushido's advice. I only started shooting 30 caliber rifles myself in the last 5 or 6 years. Before that pretty much every caliber I owned started with a 2. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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There's always the 17 HMR.
It's a 22 on steroids. 1/2 the bullet weight, twice the velocity.
Good friggin' fun. :D
Of course that's the exact opposite direction of the 30 cal. And can't reload as it's rimfire.
But it's good friggin' fun for target shooting.
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There's always the 17 HMR.
It's a 22 on steroids. 1/2 the bullet weight, twice the velocity.
Good friggin' fun. :D
Of course that's the exact opposite direction of the 30 cal. And can't reload as it's rimfire.
But it's good friggin' fun for target shooting.
watching some youtube on the 17 HMR - those ground hogs were taking grinds
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A childhood mentor reminds me that: "After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true"
My co-worker is looking into one of these. They've been getting really good reviews on the internet
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There's always the 17 HMR.
It's a 22 on steroids. 1/2 the bullet weight, twice the velocity.
Good friggin' fun. :D
Of course that's the exact opposite direction of the 30 cal. And can't reload as it's rimfire.
But it's good friggin' fun for target shooting.
I thought about 17HMR but ammo price isn't that much different than bulk .223 and 17s are finicky to certain brands from what I've read. If we had prairie dog fields in HI, I would definitely look into .204s.