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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ren on May 23, 2016, 09:14:49 PM
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http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32046817/hawaii-could-be-first-to-put-gun-owners-in-federal-database (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32046817/hawaii-could-be-first-to-put-gun-owners-in-federal-database)
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"It happens 20X a year......"
Seriously? :wtf:
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Hope if this is signed it will be sued to oblivion on the first day
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I posted the Associated Press site publication of the story in the Legal and Activism section post of the FBI biometric database before I read this thread.
From that post:
And I wasn't aware of this tidbit:
"We were only discovering things by accident," said Honolulu Police Department Maj. Richard ["Get a big dog"] Robinson, who helped draft the bill. "They happen to come register another firearm, we run another background check, and then we find out they're a prohibited person."
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Hey, Robinson, is everyone supposed to take their big dog with them when they attend rock concerts and office Christmas parties and inside movie theaters and inside college classrooms, etc.? Just askin'...
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I think the state has a bigger problem with work furloughs and prison escapees. Let's enroll them in a federal biometric database so just in case they escape they can find them....
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Well I don't plan on getting any more guns... And won't give them HPD dooshbags a penny of my money either🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
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Well I don't plan on getting any more guns... And won't give them HPD dooshbags a penny of my money either🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻
I think that is the real purpose of this bill. Tracking gun owners is one goal - the longer strategic goal is to discourage firearms ownership
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^ I agree.
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I think that is the real purpose of this bill. Tracking gun owners is one goal - the longer strategic goal is to discourage firearms ownership
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Obviously
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I think that is the real purpose of this bill. Tracking gun owners is one goal - the longer strategic goal is to discourage firearms ownership
Agree...in my case I don't have the room and I got what I want. However what remains to be seen is how they plan to collect this "pig fee"' when you go to register a gun/ apply for permit, will it be a one time or per gun fee or they see you're a gun owner and will mail a demand for payment or else letter. How will the amount of this fee be determined? Would it be a one time fee like the finger printing....
Read the article and some liberal mealy mouth pond scum law prof @ UH said it will probably be challenged in court but will likely fail since SCOTUS determined earlier that states have the right to regulate firearms. Don't know if this is true or not but I would think that if the PRH tries that approach then this law could be exposed as a cover to regulate rather than a criminal tracking tool to see if an individual still is qulified to posses a firearm. Not that thier intentions would change anything since a lot of gunowners in this state lack backbone and just go along in thier silly complacency "kumbayah" world.
Interesting times we live in. Next thing will be special taxes on firearms and ammo....
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The Truth About Guns is running an article on this as well, and they highlight the potential that this "rap-back" law would be against the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986.
No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/robert-farago/breaking-hawaii-set-create-federal-gun-registry/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/robert-farago/breaking-hawaii-set-create-federal-gun-registry/)
Nathan
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The Truth About Guns is running an article on this as well, and they highlight the potential that this "rap-back" law would be against the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/robert-farago/breaking-hawaii-set-create-federal-gun-registry/ (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/05/robert-farago/breaking-hawaii-set-create-federal-gun-registry/)
Nathan
true
this is why HRA is likely going to sue if this bill is signed into law
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true
this is why HRA is likely going to sue if this bill is signed into law
Will be seeding a check to help in the fight!
By the way just sent a letter to Kealoha, "Get a big dog" Robinson, Caldwell and "squiggly" Ige to kiss my arse and take what ever fee they try to impose and stick it up thier collective asses. They will not get a dime from me.... Damn I'm a cranky old S.O.B. 🖕🏻 them!
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email Ige
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160524/hawaii-there-s-still-time-to-contact-the-governor-on-three-anti-gun-bills
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email Ige
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160524/hawaii-there-s-still-time-to-contact-the-governor-on-three-anti-gun-bills
Done
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email Ige
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160524/hawaii-there-s-still-time-to-contact-the-governor-on-three-anti-gun-bills
and email him again!
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email Ige
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160524/hawaii-there-s-still-time-to-contact-the-governor-on-three-anti-gun-bills
Completed
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email Ige
Done and also had e-mailed IGE to veto SB2954 on the state gov. site.
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emailed Ige to veto sb2954 - Done!
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email Ige
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160524/hawaii-there-s-still-time-to-contact-the-governor-on-three-anti-gun-bills
DONE!
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Great article by Fox News on this.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/27/obama-just-got-one-giant-step-closer-towards-creating-national-gun-registry.html
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The irony is that I posted this and I'm sick of reading about it.
Why don't we register criminals to track where THEY are?! Oh yeah, that doesn't work...one big example our work furlough program...
So why are we being tracked? What did we do wrong?
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The irony is that I posted this and I'm sick of reading about it.
Why don't we register criminals to track where THEY are?! Oh yeah, that doesn't work...one big example our work furlough program...
So why are we being tracked? What did we do wrong?
the sheep want the sheepdogs tracked because the wolves tell the sheep that the sheepdogs have the potential to bite them
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The irony is that I posted this and I'm sick of reading about it.
Why don't we register criminals to track where THEY are?! Oh yeah, that doesn't work...one big example our work furlough program...
Dude, keep up. That word ("criminals") is now verboten. Order came down from On HIgh from His Royal Majesty that such persons are now to be referred to as "justice-system-involved individuals". I wish I was kidding...but you can't make up shit like that.
So why are we being tracked? What did we do wrong?
Because we want to exercise a natural right protected by the Constitution? Last week while waiting to "register" I got into a conversation with someone also waiting and I got a little "excited" when stating that the registration information, as far as anyone knows, has NEVER, in and of itself, been used to solve a crime, and that for me, as a law-abiding citizen, having to be on a list like criminals (yeah, I'm gonna keep using that word) such as a pedophile registry and being required to give up all my rights to privacy regarding my medical records was, well, totally ridiculous and irrational. The three people there just looked at me like I was insane. They nokea. Just sayin'... most gun owners don't even care that we are being driven roughshod by the petty tyrants... and no end in sight. This year: become a prohibited person by sending two emails or texts that someone says "annoys" them. What next year? I can hardly wait...
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The Truth About Guns is running an article on this as well, and they highlight the potential that this "rap-back" law would be against the Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986.
No such rule or regulation prescribed [by the Attorney General] after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established.
It looks like Hawaii's firearms registration law has also been illegal since 1986?