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General Topics => Off Topic => Topic started by: zippz on July 21, 2016, 11:48:50 AM
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Storm is headed our way Saturday and early next week and maybe a direct hit with a tropical storm.
Edit: It's Darby not Celia. So many and hard to track em. :D
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Thanks for the heads up.
I hadn't been checking lately, with all the other stuff going on.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/east-pacific
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http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaking-news/darby-to-bring-warning-level-surf-to-big-island-maui/ (http://www.staradvertiser.com/breaking-news/darby-to-bring-warning-level-surf-to-big-island-maui/)
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Will start filling water containers tomorrow afternoon if the path is more certain and Oahu issues a watch. Other than buying a few tap lights tomorrow , not planning to buy any other supplies.
Did get some extra 12 ga. 00BK earlier this week but just for the normal supply, not the storm. ;)
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I don't expect much to happen with a direct hit. Probably electricity goes out, some flooding for some, can't go shooting on Sunday, etc.
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I don't expect much to happen with a direct hit. Probably electricity goes out, some flooding for some, can't go shooting on Sunday, etc.
Wouldn't disagree Z! Just hope there's .22lr sv ammo available unlike bottled water at Costco!
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The only thing I need to get from the store at this point is beer. ;D ;D ;D
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The only thing I need to get from the store at this point is beer. ;D ;D ;D
No poke or dried Aku sticks?
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No poke or dried Aku sticks?
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Shoots! Thanks for reminding me!!! :shaka:
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We've done this drill several times before.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23159.0
One thing I do that most people don't think about is to have a supply of water that can be used for flushing your toilet.
I fill up the blue C&C recycle bin with water for flushing.
I'm ready
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLdebXN-0DY
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One thing I do that most people don't think about is to have a supply of water that can be used for flushing your toilet.
I fill up the blue C&C recycle bin with water for flushing.
I did that last time out because of your suggestion! Even though I didn't have to use the water I thought it was an excellent idea.
Thanks OF. :worship: :worship: :worship:
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I did that last time out because of your suggestion! Even though I didn't have to use the water I thought it was an excellent idea.
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And when the storm passes, i use the water for the yard.
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One thing I do that most people don't think about is to have a supply of water that can be used for flushing your toilet.
I fill up the blue C&C recycle bin with water for flushing.
I do the same thing lol, roll it under the bathroom window, I have a small 12v pond pump that i use to pump it in the window
Then again i also do the same thing when some one parks across my driveway, roll it infront of the car and fill it with water, funny as watching some one trying to move a 500lb container,
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I do the same thing lol, roll it under the bathroom window, I have a small 12v pond pump that i use to pump it in the window
Then again i also do the same thing when some one parks across my driveway, roll it infront of the car and fill it with water, funny as watching some one trying to move a 500lb container,
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Ingenious :thumbsup:
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Then again i also do the same thing when some one parks across my driveway, roll it infront of the car and fill it with water, funny as watching some one trying to move a 500lb container,
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Looks like it may be a direct hit on Oahu, winds probably won't be too bad but plenty rain.
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My Wife just flew to maui with her mother and my daughter for a wedding, they will be coming back tuesday
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Hope everyone neighbor islands and Oahu stay safe and hope no island gets a direct hit.
Good thing this is an election year where the mayor might act fast if your area has a problem if he wants to keep his job.
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http://www.accuweather.com/en/hurricane/east-pacific/darby-2016
Path prediction.
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Looks like it may be a direct hit on Oahu, winds probably won't be too bad but plenty rain.
Yup.
Don't get flooded people. Happened many times before. Move your stuff if you can.
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Stay safe, Big Island!
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I have a 10,000 gallon catchment tank and a storm only makes it overflow, so no water supply worries for me. I have two 2 burner propane stoves and 5 full bottles of propane. Tankless propane water heater and a solar water heater. A quiet Honda eu3000 and a loud 4800 generator with 30 gallons of gas. Backhoe and chipper full of diesel. I cut a bunch of 2x4, 2x3, 2x2, 1x12 with lengths ranging from 6 to 15 ft on my Woodmizer the other week. Also got a 100 ft roll of 25 ft wide 6 mil clear plastic. I think I am ready.
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I have an aircraft. Can just fly to the Mainland.
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Pele vs. Darby, who's going to win?
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Hilo Live Stream
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/298682/live-stream-special (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/category/298682/live-stream-special)
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Other than a little rain early this morning, no rain since 0900 and only light wind. I am in the Glenwood area of the BI.
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Well Darby turned out to be a non-event for my area of the BI, for which I am grateful. Hope it is the same for Oahu. I am working there Monday to Wednesday.
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Well Darby turned out to be a non-event for my area of the BI, for which I am grateful. Hope it is the same for Oahu. I am working there Monday to Wednesday.
Glad you guys are o.k. Better sometimes to just have a boring weekend without the added drama.
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Had a Chat with my neighbors across the street, they just moved here this month from France and have no clue about hurricanes, So i printed them a couple of flyers and put them together a bucket for them to get them started along with a list of what they should add to get by. Building bonds with your neighbors is the best way to not have issues and to keep your neigbour hood safe and its better to help them help themselves then have to make them go away if the big one does hit.
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Great idea, London808.
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Had a Chat with my neighbors across the street, they just moved here this month from France and have no clue about hurricanes, So i printed them a couple of flyers and put them together a bucket for them to get them started along with a list of what they should add to get by. Building bonds with your neighbors is the best way to not have issues and to keep your neigbour hood safe and its better to help them help themselves then have to make them go away if the big one does hit.
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Coming from Asia with a Typhoon every week , Yearly average with direct hits were seven from July to Nov.
Ive gotten used to Hurricanes. They don't phase me at all, The worst Ive encountered was 5 days without electricity.
Nothing really went bad in the fridge, just eat all the perishable stuff first. Water was sufficient for showers and drinking for 3 days from the faucets. .....
Only thing was no AC and it gets humid at nights.
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Coming from Asia with a Typhoon every week , Yearly average with direct hits were seven from July to Nov.
Ive gotten used to Hurricanes. They don't phase me at all, The worst Ive encountered was 5 days without electricity.
Nothing really went bad in the fridge, just eat all the perishable stuff first. Water was sufficient for showers and drinking for 3 days from the faucets. .....
Only thing was no AC and it gets humid at nights.
With this and a case of water you should be able to shut 2 people in a room and keep them alive for 3 days, The biggest thing with me is to instill the sense that they should look after themselves, A lof of people have no clue what they need other then what city mill tries to sell them and even worse is when they buy it they have no idea how to use it or what to use it for. Im not a survival expert that being said im happy to take the time to sit, explain and educate.
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Oh and if anyone else makes a bucket, Take a 6 inch green or white Glow stick and hot glue it to the inside of the lid. When you open the bucket you have a light source that is going to work right away and allow you to find the candles or flashlight inside.
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Looks like its gona run right over Kauai
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Here I am in Waimanalo and it is getting far worse rain than the Puna area of Big Island did yesterday. Hearing loud thunder right now. Hope I don't get rained out tomorrow.
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Big time thunder and rain in town.
Honolulu
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Big thunder just arrived in Aiea.
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Big time thunder and rain in town.
Honolulu
DL just sent me a copy of a text from the mayor's office saying H1 westbound near school street closed due to heavy ponding
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Hawaiian Electric @HwnElectric 32m32 minutes ago
As a reminder, if you’re experiencing an outage, please report to our 24-7 Trouble Line: 1-855-304-1212. Thank you. #OahuOutage
810p: ~1780 customers without power in the Diamond Head/Waikiki area. 1st responder en route. Mahalo for your patience. #OahuOutage #Darby
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Lost power early tonight twice but longest was only 5-10 minutes. Had already ate dinner.
Still hearing thunder rumbling on the makai side of my house but no rain. Big rain came about 1730 and before 1830.
Had pre-staged some lanterns in different rooms and put fresh batts in the portable radios. Rotated water in 6 ea. 5 gal. jugs.
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DL just sent me a copy of a text from the mayor's office saying H1 westbound near school street closed due to heavy ponding
Small kine water on the freeway.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32518906/freeway-closed-cars-stalled-in-flood-on-h-1-near-school-street
http://khon2.com/2016/07/24/laie-emergency-shelter-packed-as-darby-passes-south-of-oahu/
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Diamond was area lost power for about an hour, took the time to teach the brig our what's in there bucket lol, they were super stoked to have candles and flashlights.
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Time warner is down In The kapahulu area
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Quite a mess on the roads late last night.
I had a hard time trying to get home.
Dillingham and Nimitz looked like a demolition derby.
Cars all over the road sideways and bashed in.
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I was out from around noon and it was actually pretty dry until around 6 pm in town when it just started POURING! It was actually sunny just before. It was very intense at times and I saw at least a couple of cars that were stalled out at the intersection of Keeaumoku and Makaloa. We ended up going home around 10:30 pm or so and the rain was intense off and on. Luckily, we were in my friend's SUV which had higher ground clearance and even then, there were some standing water that we didn't want to take a chance at going through. Heard about H1 west bound closing down at School Street. Reports when I left my house this morning was that that stretch was reopened, but crews were still working on clearing debris. . .
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I wonder what happened to Robbles Stream Rats? Enquiring minds want to know.
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reason freeway was closed
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wow
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Holy. . . :o
Did a car or cars go through the chainlink as well? Or is that swath of what looks like disturbed earth from the water running from the street onto the freeway?
Damn. Looks like cars tried to go through, got stalled out and then the area continued to flood. Damn. I wonder what kind of insurance will cover that, if any. . .
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What river is that? good fishing?
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https://youtu.be/bodVVtqmbZE
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OMG!!! :o :o :o
I hope no one was injured.
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My friends workplace. I think he'll have a lot of free time for a while.
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Looks like auto sales will go up!
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My friends workplace. I think he'll have a lot of free time for a while.
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I used to work there. The company wasn't too smart in building in a flood zone and next to gaspro. At least they have the generators on the roof. I remember when a cylinder blew at gaspro - it shook the whole building. All the stupid employees ran to the windows facing Gaspro to see what caused the noise.
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the aftermath of the freeway flood,
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Crap! WTF we are not ready for another storm, not to mention hurricane!
Where's that rail $$$?
http://www.kitv.com/story/32530343/darby-triggers-sewage-spills-across-oahu
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Good thing the rail isn't going underground. </sarcasm>
Oh wait!?!
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Crap! WTF we are not ready for another storm, not to mention hurricane!
Where's that rail $$$?
http://www.kitv.com/story/32530343/darby-triggers-sewage-spills-across-oahu
What has rail got to do with a storm ?
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What has rail got to do with a storm ?
Opportunity cost. By spending all that money on rail, we don't have it to fix our ailing infrastructure of water mains and sewage drains.
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Opportunity cost. By spending all that money on rail, we don't have it to fix our ailing infrastructure of water mains and sewage drains.
Fix drains? Cleaning them would be a good start.
I don't know what caused that mess at H1/School St or at Dillingham/Middle/Nimitz, but I suspect the drains weren't clear to begin with.
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Fix drains? Cleaning them would be a good start.
I don't know what caused that mess at H1/School St or at Dillingham/Middle/Nimitz, but I suspect the drains weren't clear to begin with.
Part of the problem is the drain pipes were never big enough to handle the heavy rains. Now, I bet many sections are constricted not only from debris, but also tree roots, broken concrete sections, and shifting of the Earth.
We seem to be in constant repair mode, but the system needs an upgrade.
On top of that, there are many other priorities, like school A/C, that are lagging as well. Here's a 2013 report ...
http://www.civilbeat.org/2013/03/hawaii-infrastructure-ailing-billions-in-repairs/
Hawaii Infrastructure Ailing, Billions In Repairs Needed
Hawaii’s roads, bridges, schools, parks, drinking water and wastewater facilities are in serious disrepair — as are the nation’s — according to a new report from the American Society of Civil Engineers.
The report gives the nation’s overall infrastructure a grade of D+, an improvement from its last grade of D, and cites a national spending shortfall of $1.6 trillion by 2020.
Hawaii is in need of about $6 billion in upgrades over the next twenty years.
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Opportunity cost. By spending all that money on rail, we don't have it to fix our ailing infrastructure of water mains and sewage drains.
You fail to note that the rail money comes from a special tax, If we dident have rail they wouldn't collect that money and that money would not be available to be spent else where.
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You fail to note that the rail money comes from a special tax, If we dident have rail they wouldn't collect that money and that money would not be available to be spent else where.
And the law COULD HAVE BEEN increases in the GET were to go to infrastructure improvements instead of rail.
More taxes for this project or that project, the law makers decide where it is needed. Saying it's for rail now is true. Back when the rail project started, we had a choice. We could have fixed half the infrastructure problems with the rail cost overruns alone!
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Part of the problem is the drain pipes were never big enough to handle the heavy rains. Now, I bet many sections are constricted not only from debris, but also tree roots, broken concrete sections, and shifting of the Earth.
We seem to be in constant repair mode, but the system needs an upgrade.
On top of that, there are many other priorities, like school A/C, that are lagging as well. Here's a 2013 report ...
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Yeah, the current state of infrastructure is a big deal all around for sure. Roads, water, drainage, an so on. I was just commenting on how they are lacking in routine maintenance and that often leads to much bigger problems. Now I'm hearing that the H1/School Street issue was due to drainage failing on Liliha St and all that water dumped onto the freeway. Then again, Kalihi was hit some of the hardest of the island and some preliminary measurements are tracking greater rainfall than the 100 year return period storm. So, "perfect storm" of a storm that exceeded design parameters and poor maintenance exacerbating things. The only "good thing" was that it didn't happen during rush hour where more people would've been on the road.
I used to do projects for DOT and know full well their maintenance methods, or lack thereof. Like you said, everything seems to be in constant repair mode. To be fair, that is a common theme nationwide with the aging of highways and bridges being a current problem and will only get worse.
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And the law COULD HAVE BEEN increases in the GET were to go to infrastructure improvements instead of rail.
More taxes for this project or that project, the law makers decide where it is needed. Saying it's for rail now is true. Back when the rail project started, we had a choice. We could have fixed half the infrastructure problems with the rail cost overruns alone!
The problem is not a lack of funds its a lack of proper management, Instead of the state doing stuff for themselves they contract all the work out, These company's add profit to the cost of parts and labor, They then underbid knowing that the state/city will have no choice to pay.
The tax for rail was always for a mass transit/traffic reduction project, The outer islands could of added a tax as well but choose not to. When they started rail they had a choice to do rail or do something else (to reduce trafic) and Rail won. That money could never of been used for anything else except a transit project.
You wont believe how many people on the outer island believe that they are paying for Rail,
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The problem is not a lack of funds its a lack of proper management, Instead of the state doing stuff for themselves they contract all the work out, These company's add profit to the cost of parts and labor, They then underbid knowing that the state/city will have no choice to pay.
The tax for rail was always for a mass transit/traffic reduction project, The outer islands could of added a tax as well but choose not to. When they started rail they had a choice to do rail or do something else (to reduce trafic) and Rail won. That money could never of been used for anything else except a transit project.
You wont believe how many people on the outer island believe that they are paying for Rail,
I don't think you got what I said. INSTEAD OF A TRANSPORTATION TAX the leg could have offered a bill to improve infrastructure using the same level of tax increase. They could have done that INSTEAD OF a rail/transportation project tax.
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To fix roads they could increase registration fee's
To fix drains they could increase sewage fee's
To fix streams they could increase property tax,
But they wont because increasing those tax's are unfavorable to voters and even if they did the state/city would missues the money and more private companys would make profit and the work would still not get done.
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I don't think you got what I said. INSTEAD OF A TRANSPORTATION TAX the leg could have offered a bill to improve infrastructure using the same level of tax increase. They could have done that INSTEAD OF a rail/transportation project tax.
So instead of a tax for fixing what is a major problem (traffic) we should have a tax fix a different one (infrastructure) that we have all been paying for for years The problem is not a l;ack of funds its a lack of proper management?
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So instead of a tax for fixing what is a major problem (traffic) we should have a tax fix a different one (infrastructure) that we have all been paying for for years The problem is not a l;ack of funds its a lack of proper management?
If we had "proper management", none of the candidates for city and county offices would have anything to promise voters!
As with most public works, the money you pay in is for operations and routine maintenance. When an upgrade or overhaul is needed, the monthly billing isn't going to cover it unless they tack on another "fee" to your bill on top of everything else.
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Worse part about everything is the storm wasn't that bad, it could've been a lot worse. And there are a lot more storms headed our way this year.
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Worse part about everything is the storm wasn't that bad, it could've been a lot worse. And there are a lot more storms headed our way this year.
average rainfall for Honolulu is 17 inchs, we got 10 in one storm. Yes it could be a lot worse but thats prety dam bad, over 1/2 the years rainfall in 12 hours
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Yep. The intensity of this storm was surprising and what caused many of the problems. Even if the drainage systems were operating to full/new capability (which I'm pretty sure they weren't), I would bet that that storm exceeded the design storm. We're lucky that there wasn't high winds during that storm and following. That's where a lot of trees go down.
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Yep. The intensity of this storm was surprising and what caused many of the problems. Even if the drainage systems were operating to full/new capability (which I'm pretty sure they weren't), I would bet that that storm exceeded the design storm. We're lucky that there wasn't high winds during that storm and following. That's where a lot of trees go down.
I was really surprised by the lack of wind especially with how close it passed us.
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I was really surprised by the lack of wind especially with how close it passed us.
Me too. That and how hot and humid it was even as it was pouring! Usually, rainy weather like that brings some cooler feeling weather, but it was still sweltering hot! Worse than some of the rainy days that I've spent in places like Guam and the Philippines. Bleh!
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Good thing the rail isn't going underground. </sarcasm>
Oh wait!?!
Dual use technology man!
Maybe can shuttle the crap from A to B quicker.
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My sarcastic comment regarding rail is not only for the dollars.
There is a also focus.
If they focused on fixing infrastructure, there would be options on the table, and better solutions. Money can come from various channels, but the important thing is what problem are you focused on?
As it is, rail has distracted all this energy and brainpower and time.
You can figure out how to fix the stove, or the fridge. As it is, right now neither the stove not the fridge is fixed, and you can't buy food cuz it spoils, and even if it doesn't spoil you can't cook it.
We got this sewage thing last year. In fact Dole flooded last year too. The sewage thing is no joke. It's not just messy. It's a downright biohazard.
We ain't even out of the woods yet this season.
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Such hate for rail. I'm one of the few here who sorta likes it I guess. Then again ive seen first hand (japan) how good rail can be. I think we are one of the very few states with no rail services. Hence so much fucking traffic. If rail shaves 5 minutes off my commute its worth.
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Such hate for rail. I'm one of the few here who sorta likes it I guess. Then again ive seen first hand (japan) how good rail can be. I think we are one of the very few states with no rail services. Hence so much fucking traffic. If rail shaves 5 minutes off my commute its worth.
Unless you work in one of the half dozen stops this rail will service, you'll be taking a bus to/from the rail stations. So, if that's the case, why not use a bus for the entire commute instead of pay for two modes?
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Sorry off topic....
In Japan, rail goes everywhere. In fact, the trains are the only real means of transportation for most people. It's great! My Japanese friend there has a car and he takes it out for a joy ride only on the weekend. Cars are more of a luxury there.
In Hawaii, cars are a necessity.
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Unless you work in one of the half dozen stops this rail will service, you'll be taking a bus to/from the rail stations. So, if that's the case, why not use a bus for the entire commute instead of pay for two modes?
Cause for long distances bus's are slow traffic causing madness. No one wants to take a bus that will take longer than a car to travel. But if rail can make the bus/rail commute faster than car people may switch.
Sorry off topic....
In Japan, rail goes everywhere. In fact, the trains are the only real means of transportation for most people. It's great! My Japanese friend there has a car and he takes it out for a joy ride only on the weekend. Cars are more of a luxury there.
In Hawaii, cars are a necessity.
We can always improve/fix things. There is no reason why cars MUST be the only viable option. Its always good to have choices, one step at a time. We have this rail. Then we can add rail to UH, kaneohe, hawaii kai, more routes downtown, etc .
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The rail is expected to reduce traffic congestion by 1%, so banking on "people may switch" isn't a good planning goal.
For a population of 1 million, and a cost of over $12billion SO FAR (not counting maintenance), the rail will never be self-sustaining.
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Yes, maybe rail PER SE might be a good idea, but IN CONTEXT it is ridiculous.
I am reminded of Fukushima and how people said, what a stupid idea it was to build a nuclear reactor in a quake + tsunami zone.
When one is faced with LIMITED RESOURCES it is imperative to seek the BEST and MOST OPTIMAL use of those resources (money, time, brain power, physical energy, raw materials, etc.) to fix problems, improve operations, etc.
The results of rail speak for itself. It is nowhere being completed, and whatever has so far been built is not even that stable. It's ridiculous.
Imagine a quake or tsunami knocks everything down one day. Then what have you got?
Better to use the resources to make sure everything else ESSENTIAL works first (like that sewage blowout problem that now is like a yearly event) THEN we can look at these other improvements.
I haven't even mentioned POT HOLES!
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Ok, this topic is about Darby and hurricanes.
If there's interest in talking about rail, someone please start a new topic.
Thank you!
:shaka: :stopjack:
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Ok, this topic is about Darby and hurricanes.
If there's interest in talking about rail, someone please start a new topic.
Thank you!
:shaka: :stopjack:
I move we focus our energy on renovating khsc to be storm proofed - with the exception of some muddy roads and humidity Darby has left the house.
Ok and if rail gets built have it reach khsc for the west side guys to get there with ease - couldn't we then get some funds from rail to improve khsc
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Ok, this topic is about Darby and hurricanes.
If there's interest in talking about rail, someone please start a new topic.
Thank you!
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Ok yes, sorry, did not mean to DE-RAIL this discussion :rofl: :shaka: O0
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Lol. Good one
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Tons of rain and there was one lightning strike in particular that made the loudest sound I have ever heard in my whole life. Sounded like a cannon or gunshot. The noise and flash were simultaneous so I know it was close. The other lightning strikes were not loud or noteworthy at all. Searching the news just now turned up http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32530039/lightning-jolts-kaneohe-home-leaving-holes-in-wall-and-sidewalk (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32530039/lightning-jolts-kaneohe-home-leaving-holes-in-wall-and-sidewalk) so my guess is that it was that bolt.
Ironically never lost power or even the internet. When I lose power all the time, and complain about HECO. Probably because there wasn't much wind.