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General Topics => Preparedness and Survival => Topic started by: drck1000 on July 27, 2016, 01:37:29 PM
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Any of you watch Alone on the History channel?
They select 10 people and put them in the wilderness to survive and whoever lasts the longest wins $500k. A friend mentioned it to me and I watched most of season 2. It was pretty interesting and entertaining, while also showing the realities of survival in a desolate place.
Each contestant is allowed to choose ten from the following list of approved items. Along with a set amount of other approved items. What would you choose?
In the case of Seasons 1 and 2, the location was Vancouver Island, BC in what looks like starting in the fall. For this conversation, let's assume the island of Molokai, without any people.
INDIVIDUAL
*Each participant must choose TEN total items from the following list. Selections are final. Once chosen, no items may be swapped out or replaced. These will be each participant’s unique tools used to survive in the wilderness on camera.
Alone
Shelter
1. 12×12 ground cloth/tarp (grommets approved)
2. 8 mm climbing rope – 10M
3. 550 parachord – 20m
4. 1 hatchet
5. 1 saw
6. 1 ax
Bedding
1. 1 multi-seasonal sleeping bag that fits within provided backpack
2. 1 bivy bag (Gore-Tex sleeping bag cover)
3. 1 sleeping pad
4. 1 hammock
Cooking
1. 1 large (no more than 2 quart) pot, includes lid
2. 1 steel frying pan
3. 1 flint or ferro rod set
4. 1 enamel bowl for eating
5. 1 spoon
6. 1 canteen or water bottle
7. 1 bear canister
Hygiene
1. 1 bar soap
2. 1 8 oz tube of toothpaste
3. 1 face flannel
4. 1 40 m roll of dental floss
5. 1 small bottle bio shower soap
6. 1 shaving razor (and 1 blade)
7. 1 towel (30” x 60”)
8. 1 comb
Hunting
1. 1 300-yard roll of nylon single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks (No lures)
2. 1 primitive bow with 6 Arrows (must be predominately made of wood)
3. 1 small gauge gill net (8 m x 2 m OR 1.5 m deep x 3.6 m long and 2” [50 mm] mesh)
4. 1 slingshot/Catapult
5. 1 net foraging bag
6. 1 3.5 lb roll of trapping wire
Food
1. 5 lbs of beef jerky (protein)
2. 5 lbs of dried pulses/legumes/lentils mix (starch and carbs)
3. 5 lbs of biltong (protein)
4. 5 lbs of hard tack military biscuits (carbs/sugars)
5. 5 lbs of chocolate (Simple/complex sugars)
6. 5 lbs of pemmican (traditional trail food made from fat and proteins)
7. 5 lbs of gorp (raisins, m&m’s and peanuts)
8. 5 lbs of flour (starch/carbs)
9. 2 lbs of rice or sugar and 1 lb of salt
Tools
1. 1 pocket knife
2. 1 hunting knife
3. 1 Leatherman multi-tool
4. 1 sharpening stone
5. 1 roll of duct tape or 1 roll of electrical tape
6. 1 small shovel
7. 1 small sewing kit
8. 1 carabineer
9. 1 LED flashlight
10. 1 pair of ice spikes
See the link below for the list of approved and prohibited items.
http://www.history.com/shows/alone/articles/full-gear-list-and-prohibited-items (http://www.history.com/shows/alone/articles/full-gear-list-and-prohibited-items)
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Any of you watch Alone on the History channel?
They select 10 people and put them in the wilderness to survive and whoever lasts the longest wins $500k. A friend mentioned it to me and I watched most of season 2. It was pretty interesting and entertaining, while also showing the realities of survival in a desolate place.
Each contestant is allowed to choose ten from the following list of approved items. Along with a set amount of other approved items. What would you choose?
In the case of Seasons 1 and 2, the location was Vancouver Island, BC in what looks like starting in the fall. For this conversation, let's assume the island of Molokai, without any people.
See the link below for the list of approved and prohibited items.
http://www.history.com/shows/alone/articles/full-gear-list-and-prohibited-items (http://www.history.com/shows/alone/articles/full-gear-list-and-prohibited-items)
You need to include prohibited and non-prohibited items so people know what these guys can choose from and what they already have to begin with
NON-PROHIBITED
These items do not count towards the 10 special items, but may not exceed the approved quota for each.
1. 1 pair high leg Hunting boots
2. 2 pairs of Outdoor Pants (can unzip into shorts)
3. 1 t-shirt
4. 2 fleece or wool shirts (hooded or unhooded)
5. 3 pairs wool socks
6. 1 hat (brimmed, wool or baseball)
7. 1 bandana or shemagh
8. 1 pair gloves
9. 1 light outdoor jacket
10. 2 pairs underwear
11. 1 rain jacket and rain trousers
12. 1 thermal underwear (long)
13. 1 pair of gaiters
14. 1 pair of Crocs, Teva sandals or Keen sandals
15. 1 toothbrush
16. 1 pair of prescription eye glasses
17. 1 personal photograph
WINTER PACKS
*These items were provided to each participant and did not count towards the 10 special items.
1. 1 wool sweater (heavy)
2. 1 pair of gloves (wool/Dachsteins)
3. 1 trapper’s hat with ear protection or toboggan
TRACKING/SAFETY
*We will provide the following items to each participant. These items do not count towards the 10 special items.
1. 2 safety tools (may consist of a canister of wild animal repellant, an air horn and/or 1 flare)
2. 1 rules and regulations guide
3. 1 backpack
4. 1 camera pack
5. Camera equipment
6. 1 emergency flare
7. 1 satellite phone
8. 1 emergency personal flotation device
9. 1 first aid kit (military type – tourniquet, wadding, ace bandage, alcohol, plastic bag, etc)
10. 1 small mirror
11. 1 20×20 canvas tarp
12. 1 10×10 tarp for protecting camera and equipment
13. 1 GPS tracking device
14. 1 head lamp
15. 1 emergency rations pack to include water and food
PROHIBITED ITEMS
*The following items are PROHIBITED. This list is not exhaustive. Any item not listed above is also prohibited.
Alone
1. Fuel or matches
2. Bug spray/mosquito repellant.
3. Sunscreen/chap stick
4. Sunglasses
5. Beauty products
6. Map (detailed topographical)
7. Compass
8. Unapproved technology (anything with a battery or an engine, eg. cell phones, computers, watches, etc.)
9. Professional snares
10. Firearms of any kind
11. Ammunition
12. Explosives or gunpowder
13. Animal poison
14. Professional fishing rods
15. Fishing lures, flies, bait kits
16. Fishing traps
17. Food or beverage (except the options from the selection list)
18. Decoys
19. Animal calls
20. Tree stands
21. Professional bows or crossbows
22. Scopes of any kind
23. Tents or shelters
24. Stoves, pressure cookers or other cooking appliances
25. Hydration packs
26. Fire pits
27. Electric or propane lanterns
28. Inflatable boats
29. Filtration, purification devices, iodine tablets
30. Coolers or food storage boxes (except optional bear canister)
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Havent whatched it but i will now,
My list for the situation you gave would be:
12×12 ground cloth/tarp (grommets approved) they give you one 20x20 tarp already, 1 300-yard roll of nylon single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks
1 hatchet
550 parachord – 20m
1 hammock
1 large (no more than 2 quart) pot, includes lid
1 canteen or water bottle
flint or ferro rod set
1 small gauge gill net (8 m x 2 m OR 1.5 m deep x 3.6 m long and 2” [50 mm] mesh)
5 lbs of pemmican
1 hunting knife
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They already have quite a bit too begin with, and I think the non-prohibited/provided items need to be adjusted for a different environment on Moloka'i.
But if i has to choose from the current list:
300-yard roll of nylon single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks
hatchet
bivy bag (Gore-Tex sleeping bag cover)
Large (no more than 2 quart) pot, includes lid
primitive bow with 6 Arrows
slingshot
5 lbs of pemmican
hunting knife
ferro rod set
small shovel
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You need to include prohibited and non-prohibited items so people know what these guys can choose from and what they already have to begin with
Hmm, I thought about that, but the list was getting too long.
Let's go with same prohibited items from the list Q quoted.
Same provide items, except replace the following provided items:
WINTER PACKS
*These items were provided to each participant and did not count towards the 10 special items.
1. 1 wool sweater (heavy)
2. 1 pair of gloves (wool/Dachsteins)
3. 1 trapper’s hat with ear protection or toboggan
with
SURF PACKS ;D
1. 1 sunglasses (can be polarized)
2. 1 set long sleeve sun shirt
For the TRACKING/SAFETY, eliminate the striken/crossed out items:
TRACKING/SAFETY
*We will provide the following items to each participant. These items do not count towards the 10 special items.
1. 2 safety tools (may consist of a canister of wild animal repellant, an air horn and/or 1 flare)
2. 1 rules and regulations guide
3. 1 backpack
4. 1 camera pack
5. Camera equipment
6. 1 emergency flare
7. 1 satellite phone
8. 1 emergency personal flotation device
9. 1 first aid kit (military type – tourniquet, wadding, ace bandage, alcohol, plastic bag, etc)
10. 1 small mirror
11. 1 20×20 canvas tarp
12. 1 10×10 tarp for protecting camera and equipment
13. 1 GPS tracking device
14. 1 head lamp
15. 1 emergency rations pack to include water and food
That stuff was so they could film themselves and when the contestant "taps out" or needed an emergency pickup.
Since this is a 2a site, I'll add a choice of ONE (1) of the following combination:
1. Ruger 10/22 Takedown with iron sights and 200 rounds 22 lr
2. .357 revolver with 50 rounds .357 mag
3. 9 mm semi-auto with 100 round 9 mm
Anything to clean/maintain the guns need to be improvised from what you can find on island.
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Hmm, I thought about that, but the list was getting too long.
Let's go with same prohibited items from the list Q quoted.
Same provide items, except replace the following provided items:
with
For the TRACKING/SAFETY, eliminate the striken/crossed out items:
That stuff was so they could film themselves and when the contestant "taps out" or needed an emergency pickup.
Since this is a 2a site, I'll add a choice of ONE (1) of the following combination:
Leather gloves already provided under gloves in previous section.
This section refers to winter gloves
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Leather gloves already provided under gloves
Dammit. Lemme revise. . .
ETA: Too lazy to go back and edit winter specific clothing for summer/Hawaii. So if there is a winter specific item, say wool sweater, assume you can bring along something more appropriate to tropical weather instead of the winter item.
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I found the show pretty entertaining. While I'm sure that they did a lot with the editing, this show seemed pretty realistic. The location of season 1 and 2 would be a challenge for those two lived all their lives in a tropical environment for sure. Season 3 is in Patagonia.
Some of those people came up with some pretty neat things that they built.
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Can you bring a mosquito net? From watching naked and afraid it seems like bugs more than hunger really messes you up psychologically.
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I would love to do that for 500k, especially on Molokai. My choices:
Shelter
3. 550 parachord – 20m. Super useful. I can make rope, but its super time consuming.
6. 1 ax Better than a hatchet for long-term survival.
Cooking
1. 1 large (no more than 2 quart) pot, includes lid. More multi-use than a pan, can hold water, etc.
3. 1 flint or ferro rod set. Sometimes getting a fire started quick is best, especially before you get settled in and can make a "natural" kit.
Hunting
1. 1 300-yard roll of nylon single filament fishing line and 25 assorted hooks (No lures). Think this is less risk than a net, especially if you can make some kind of rod system.
6. 1 3.5 lb roll of trapping wire. Again, low risk, low energy, high reward if you can get a pig or deer.
Food
6. 5 lbs of pemmican (traditional trail food made from fat and proteins). Highest calorie choice for emergencies and getting settled in.
Tools
2. 1 hunting knife. Leatherman has a pocket knife, and I have an axe, so I 6-8inch knife is most useful.
3. 1 Leatherman multi-tool. Super useful for everything.
4. 1 sharpening stone. Pretty necessary until you can find some real good rocks.
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Can you bring a mosquito net? From watching naked and afraid it seems like bugs more than hunger really messes you up psychologically.
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Yeah, sure. Mosquitos would certainly be a bad nuisance.
For season 2 of Alone, the selected gear wasn't the primary factor in who won. It was mostly the mental aspects of being alone.
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For those that want to watch, you can watch it on History's website 4 free
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For those that want to watch, you can watch it on History's website 4 free
do you have a link?
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This is fun.. I actually watch another show called "Naked and Afraid" which I think is more extreme than "Alone". No food, no water, no clothing.
So seeing a set of clothing already provided for this activity looks very "luxurious".
Here would be my list. in order of the official list.
1. 1 ax
2. 1 sleeping bag
3. 1 large pot with lid
4. 1 flint or ferro rod
5. 1 canteen or water bottle
6. 1 small bottle bio shower soap
7. 300-yard fishing line and 25 hooks
8. 1 primitive bow with 6 arrows
9. 1 hunting knife
10. 5 lbs of pemmican
In Molokai:
Clothing... check. all provided for.
Fire ... ferro rod + ax for chopping wood
Shelter ... supplied tarp for immediate use.
... Make your shelter hut using an ax and chopping branches and wood
... Use fishing line for cordage or make your own
Water.... large pot + ferro rod to boil water. Canteen for immediate water supply.
..... use tarp to catch and funnel rain water into any container
..... Look for coconuts to store additional drinking water
Food... pemmican for food of last resort.
.... bow+arrow for reaching out, hunting knife, ax for killing food
.... improvise a spear from trees
.... fishing line for fishing
.... fishing line for setting up some traps.
Comforts.... sleeping bag for restful sleep,
..... soap for hygiene. Improvised article of clothing as a towel.
.... hunting knife for digging holes on ground
.... look for a smooth stone to sharpen tools
Fun..... bow + arrow for target practice and hunting. or go fish.
If I could take a couple more, I would get a shovel and toothpaste. Or maybe extra 5 lb bags of more food.
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do you have a link?
http://www.history.com/shows/alone/playlist/alone-season-2-surviving-alone
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http://www.history.com/shows/alone/playlist/alone-season-2-surviving-alone
Thank you.
All you need is a throw net, ax, pot, or flint. And knife
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This is fun.. I actually watch another show called "Naked and Afraid" which I think is more extreme than "Alone". No food, no water, no clothing.
SNIP
I watched portions of that show, but never really got into it. That and I didn't want to think any of these guys living together, on a deserted island, nekkid. . . :o
:rofl:
The location has a lot to do with each show. From what I've seen form Naked and Afraid, it's a typically hot location and either very dry (desert) or humid (jungle). That and in N&A, they have camera crews and at least two participants. Just different spins on things. What I thought was most interesting was what value/importance the contestants placed on their equipment and eventually life in general. That's why I thought it would be a cool mental exercise to discuss here.
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The show nekkid and afraid is 1 man and 1 woman. Sometimes the woman is a looker and sometimes, not so much.
There was one episode where this woman was paired with a good looking guy but turned out he was gay. She seemed kinda disappointed.
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The show nekkid and afraid is 1 man and 1 woman. Sometimes the woman is a looker and sometimes, not so much.
There was one episode where this woman was paired with a good looking guy but turned out he was gay. She seemed kinda disappointed.
False advertising .... once she found out, she was no longer "afraid!" :rofl:
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One huge risk of staying at that Vancouver Island location, is something I am not sure the contestants knew about.
There is a fungus that is rampant in that location, and it can be very harmful to humans.
I forget its name but I know about this from years ago and they ("experts") could not get rid of it, so I'm sure it must be much more prevalent now compared to 10 years ago, with all the humidity up there (you can see the humidity and even some fungal growth, in one of the episodes, but they probably were not really sure what fungus it was or how harmful it is).
These survival shows are pretty extreme and it seems the more extreme, the more viewers, so they try to make it extreme.
In another survival type show, with an urban setting, called THE COLONY, its season 3 was cancelled (and the whole show cancelled, which is a real pity) because someone actually got killed during the shooting of season 3 (I think from falling or something).
Regarding ALONE (************ SPOILER ALERT BELOW **************)...
I see that a huge reason for people quitting is because their moods spiraled down, and even though they say it is due to loneliness, a big reason is lack of nutrition. Those guys are getting only a few hundred calories per day (if even that). So aside from all the other gear, I think if I had to do it, in order to stay as long as possible, I'd pack all the food they allow. THEN I'd pack some other gear. You cannot fish enough there. They seem to time it so that the fishing is good for a month or so, and then it dries up due to the season. So by the time day 40 rolls around, most of the people are totally SOL regarding food sources. You can see how desperate they are around Day 50, compared to Day 20 or 30 when they are getting seafood.
Of course, a tarp is important, and one of those silky saws would be crucial, and firestarter (too wet there for friction fires), and pot. Aside from these, those guys can scavenge stuff from the shoreline (which is sort of cheating IMHO, and different locations will give people different chances of getting bonus items).
Season 2 was pretty good though, very surprising endings to the whole season and many surprising endings to the contestants too, even very early on.
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The show nekkid and afraid is 1 man and 1 woman. Sometimes the woman is a looker and sometimes, not so much.
There was one episode where this woman was paired with a good looking guy but turned out he was gay. She seemed kinda disappointed.
Did she turn him ghey? ???
:rofl:
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One huge risk of staying at that Vancouver Island location, is something I am not sure the contestants knew about.
There is a fungus that is rampant in that location, and it can be very harmful to humans.
I forget its name but I know about this from years ago and they ("experts") could not get rid of it, so I'm sure it must be much more prevalent now compared to 10 years ago, with all the humidity up there (you can see the humidity and even some fungal growth, in one of the episodes, but they probably were not really sure what fungus it was or how harmful it is).
These survival shows are pretty extreme and it seems the more extreme, the more viewers, so they try to make it extreme.
In another survival type show, with an urban setting, called THE COLONY, its season 3 was cancelled (and the whole show cancelled, which is a real pity) because someone actually got killed during the shooting of season 3 (I think from falling or something).
Regarding ALONE (************ SPOILER ALERT BELOW **************)...
I see that a huge reason for people quitting is because their moods spiraled down, and even though they say it is due to loneliness, a big reason is lack of nutrition. Those guys are getting only a few hundred calories per day (if even that). So aside from all the other gear, I think if I had to do it, in order to stay as long as possible, I'd pack all the food they allow. THEN I'd pack some other gear. You cannot fish enough there. They seem to time it so that the fishing is good for a month or so, and then it dries up due to the season. So by the time day 40 rolls around, most of the people are totally SOL regarding food sources. You can see how desperate they are around Day 50, compared to Day 20 or 30 when they are getting seafood.
Of course, a tarp is important, and one of those silky saws would be crucial, and firestarter (too wet there for friction fires), and pot. Aside from these, those guys can scavenge stuff from the shoreline (which is sort of cheating IMHO, and different locations will give people different chances of getting bonus items).
Season 2 was pretty good though, very surprising endings to the whole season and many surprising endings to the contestants too, even very early on.
Poisonous shrooms and red tide were the warnings that I recall being mentioned on the show.
I'm sure the lack of nutrition didn't help their mental states, which the commentary also mentioned lack of nutrition being a factor. Though I thought that Mike guy (the one who built a cooking table, football game, etc) kept himself pretty darn busy with inventive things was going to last longer.
I thought the Colony was more like a WWE version of survival shows.
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Well, COLONY you do learn stuff about various SHTF related topics.
About the ONLY "survival" show where you don't actually learn much is, ironically, SURVIVOR.
Here's that fungus I mentioned. It's either this one, or the other one also mentioned in this article:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126198896
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Well, COLONY you do learn stuff about various SHTF related topics.
About the ONLY "survival" show where you don't actually learn much is, ironically, SURVIVOR.
Here's that fungus I mentioned. It's either this one, or the other one also mentioned in this article:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126198896
I watched one season of the Colony and I enjoyed it. I think it was the post-Katrina like scenario. Yeah, you can learn some things. It's just when they had the rouge elements come in and staged an attack on the survivors, just reminded me of WWE. Didn't intend to insult your choice in shows.
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Haha no problem dude, I don't easily take offense.
You should check out the other season of COLONY. Not sure which one you saw. They each present different settings and new ways of thinking about scenarios (not necessarily only for SHTF).
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Haha no problem dude, I don't easily take offense.
You should check out the other season of COLONY. Not sure which one you saw. They each present different settings and new ways of thinking about scenarios (not necessarily only for SHTF).
:thumbsup:
I know that there are some grown adults that would be crushed if you spoke ill about their beloved WWE. I have to admit I was into WWF back in the day. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat! ;D
I just checked and The Colony is available on the Discovery Channel website. If it's available On-Demand, I might watch again.
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There are many more channel apps these days, and they give you the videos for free. You just have to sit through their annoying ads.
Not sure about Discovery though. Maybe they have it. I downloaded a ton of such apps and view them all free.
This even includes AMC (Walking Dead) and of course History Channel.
I don't subscribe to TV packages. So much to watch already.
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It appears we ought to be checking our kits now, with two storms heading this way.: Doesn't matter how much stuff you have if you can't prevent someone else from taking it. "Live aloha" will only go so far if Oahu gets a direct hit like Kauai had from Iniki.
:shaka:
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Got my water stocked from the previous storms and bought couple extra 6V batterys for my 1970's era fluorescent lantern. Price sure went up for the 6Vs.
If Lester gets too close to Oahu, plan to get ice for the coolers. I'm thinking of prepping a water barrier for the back sliding glass door out of 2" X 12" lumber edged with bicycle tire tube rubber for a seal. Water on my back lanai has never been a problem, but you never know.