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Kunia family shaken after neighbor fires dozens of bullets into home
Jobeth Devera
Oct 16, 2016 05:14 PM
KUNIA, OAHU (HawaiiNewsNow) - A Kunia family is shaken up after their neighbor allegedly fired dozens of bullets into their home Saturday afternoon.
"It's obvious he wasn't trying to scare us, it was obvious he was trying to kill us," said Dawn Aglipay.
Alipay says the first shots erupted through their front door around 3 p.m.
That's when she, her husband and their two sons ran to the bathroom to seek shelter.
"Like about 20 gunshots were firing at that time," said Aglipay.
Aglipay identified the shooter as her neighbor, 52-year-old Scott Vidinha.
She says earlier in the day, Vidinha first made sexual comments to her two boys as they carried groceries upstairs.
"He said some inappropriate things to me," said one of boys, Kana'i Aglipay. "He told me 'don't tell your parents' and he was pointing his finger up like don't tell them and stuff."
Aglipay called the police, twice, but she says nothing was done.
Shortly thereafter, she saw Vidinha leave in a car and return later with an AR-15 rifle, enclosed, in what looked like, a guitar case.
"He had a vest and it looked like he was putting ammunition into his vest," said Aglipay.
Aglipay called police a third time after she heard a gunshot coming from Vidinha's home.
That prompted officers to the scene, but Aglipay says still, no progress was made. "They told me he had no signs of any guns and no signs a gun had been shot," she said.
In fact, Aglipay says officers told her it seemed like she was the one harassing Vidinha.
Police left the area and about 10 minutes later, Aglipay recorded Vidinha on her cell phone as he exposed himself on their front lawn.
"He calls us and drops his pants and says all kinds of crazy things, then he says 'I'm going to shoot you through the wall,'" said Aglipay. "Of course I didn't believe him because I didn't think he would do that."
Aglipay says at least 30 rounds of ammunition were fired into her home. Fortunately, not a single one hit her family.
"Our angels were holding the door and they were around us," she said.
She believes police didn't do enough and should have taken her calls more seriously.
"This could've been avoided because we called them 3 times in an hour and a half to two hours." Aglipay said.
Police finally arrested Vidinha for attempted murder, but Aglipay says she still fears for her family's safety.
"I'm just concerned if he could make bail and get out," she said.
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Kunia family shaken after neighbor fires dozens of bullets into home
Jobeth Devera
Oct 16, 2016 05:14 PM
KUNIA, OAHU (HawaiiNewsNow) - A Kunia family is shaken up after their neighbor allegedly fired dozens of bullets into their home Saturday afternoon.
"It's obvious he wasn't trying to scare us, it was obvious he was trying to kill us," said Dawn Aglipay.
Alipay says the first shots erupted through their front door around 3 p.m.
That's when she, her husband and their two sons ran to the bathroom to seek shelter.
"Like about 20 gunshots were firing at that time," said Aglipay.
Aglipay identified the shooter as her neighbor, 52-year-old Scott Vidinha.
She says earlier in the day, Vidinha first made sexual comments to her two boys as they carried groceries upstairs.
"He said some inappropriate things to me," said one of boys, Kana'i Aglipay. "He told me 'don't tell your parents' and he was pointing his finger up like don't tell them and stuff."
Aglipay called the police, twice, but she says nothing was done.
Shortly thereafter, she saw Vidinha leave in a car and return later with an AR-15 rifle, enclosed, in what looked like, a guitar case.
"He had a vest and it looked like he was putting ammunition into his vest," said Aglipay.
Aglipay called police a third time after she heard a gunshot coming from Vidinha's home.
That prompted officers to the scene, but Aglipay says still, no progress was made. "They told me he had no signs of any guns and no signs a gun had been shot," she said.
In fact, Aglipay says officers told her it seemed like she was the one harassing Vidinha.
Police left the area and about 10 minutes later, Aglipay recorded Vidinha on her cell phone as he exposed himself on their front lawn.
"He calls us and drops his pants and says all kinds of crazy things, then he says 'I'm going to shoot you through the wall,'" said Aglipay. "Of course I didn't believe him because I didn't think he would do that."
Aglipay says at least 30 rounds of ammunition were fired into her home. Fortunately, not a single one hit her family.
"Our angels were holding the door and they were around us," she said.
She believes police didn't do enough and should have taken her calls more seriously.
"This could've been avoided because we called them 3 times in an hour and a half to two hours." Aglipay said.
Police finally arrested Vidinha for attempted murder, but Aglipay says she still fears for her family's safety.
"I'm just concerned if he could make bail and get out," she said.
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major robinson says we shouldn't have guns, we should just get a big dog or call police
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Lol dumb.
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im sure there is a lot more to this story.
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major robinson says we shouldn't have guns, we should just get a big dog or call police
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That's a messed up story. I bet she wished she had a gun when rounds were zipping through the house and the police weren't there.
The guy will probably bail out later, but the good news is she can get a TRO to protect her family. Or better yet a TRO and a big dog, no way he'll mess with them.
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CLIFFORD!!!
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Any thoughts on returning fire to someone outside the home?
I'm not sure what the place looks like, but it wouldn't seem like a good idea.
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I would stay inside behind cover and hidden. Defend the home incase he tries to break in. If you show yourself and return fire, then you have a 50/50 percent chance of winning. Not good odds.
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I seen that guy before. Scary.
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I seen that guy before. Scary.
that's the guy?
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I'll be interested to see what weapons charges are made against Vidinha.
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that's the guy?
Please verify the ID again, was it this guy? Watch the video at 1:50
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33403156/kunia-family-shaken-after-neighbor-fires-dozens-of-bullets-into-home
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Holy crap !
The guy riddled that house.
(After dancing naked in front of it)
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33403156/kunia-family-shaken-after-neighbor-fires-dozens-of-bullets-into-home
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What a nut case!
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Bad publicity for 2A
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Everyone here that values your rights to armed self defense should get on this and emphasize THIS is one of the reasons for the 2nd Amendment.
1. The police have no legal obligation to protect you. They are not your personal bodyguard, they are charged with the duty of enforcing laws of the state, city, and county.
2. If no laws are yet broken, they cannot arrest or detain anyone.
3. YOU are ultimately responsible for YOURSELF and your FAMILIES safety.
Don't blame the police, blame yourselves, because you keep electing politicians that enable CRIMINALS and constantly seek to DISARM law abiding citizens, leaving you utterly defenseless. Ask HPD and the city/state attorney what you should do in situations such as these. They say "call 911... get a big dog..." Well that does not really work out does it? Get responsible and protect yourself.
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I'm pretty sure that's near my house.
I walk my dog around there.
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I'm pretty sure that's near my house.
I walk my dog around there.
Right down the road from where I grew up as a kid on Kahakea St. in Village Park.
What a nut case, looks like he had some kind of mental illness or some other issues.
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This is a good example of HPD in action... more like HPD inaction.
The take away is that when you need police, they will only be there after the fact. You are your own first line of defense and on your own when trouble first strikes.
Don't be a hapless victim. Hold them off with 1911 while someone dials 911.
Long live the 2nd Amendment!
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I'm pretty sure that's near my house.
I walk my dog around there.
Hope it's a "BIG DOG" :wave:
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Hope it's a "BIG DOG" :wave:
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You talking about my pet or that nekked guy? :rofl:
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I wonder what the police investigation will uncover? :rofl:
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Hmmm...there's more here than meets the eye. :shake:
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Ok folks.... the worry is over now... they will get a TRO against the suspect. All is safe now, nothing to see here...
http://www.kitv.com/story/33410475/kunia-family-dealing-with-aftermath-of-shooting
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Ok folks.... the worry is over now... they will get a TRO against the suspect. All is safe now, nothing to see here...
http://www.kitv.com/story/33410475/kunia-family-dealing-with-aftermath-of-shooting
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No gun was found?
I'm gonna take my dog and search the gulch by those townhouses.
Maybe score me a free ar15. :thumbsup:
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SMFH Hpd ran a weapons check on vidinhas name/address, it came back negative. Shows how great firearms registration works in hawaii. Eff de politicians mon!
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I didn't see any local prior criminal history in the court search, except for old TRO's.
Possible he just purchased it recently and didn't register it.
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Here it is, he broke a lock and took his family member's rifle.
Aglipay also says the rifle used Saturday belongs to one of Vidinha's relatives, and that he took it without permission.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/33412388/honolulu-police-respond-to-criticism-of-officers-actions-before-kunia-shooting
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Same case here in Pearl city, Mental running around with syringe earrings. Got into a confrontation with him for saying offensive comments to my friend (girl). Next morning I found syringes in my driveway. I don't mind but just for the fact that he lives a of block from an elementary school. Kids walk pass every day. Called cops, and they said they had numerous complaints about him, and cant do anything... Guess we gotta wait n see.....
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I'll expect more laws targeting US - the law abiding citizens for just exercising our 2A rights. Because some crazy criminal stole a firearm from us. They will paint the picture that if we didn't have it around in the first place then this wouldn't have happened. :shake: :crazy: The crazy guy will likely get a knife or someother object.
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Same case here in Pearl city, Mental running around with syringe earrings. Got into a confrontation with him for saying offensive comments to my friend (girl). Next morning I found syringes in my driveway. I don't mind but just for the fact that he lives a of block from an elementary school. Kids walk pass every day. Called cops, and they said they had numerous complaints about him, and cant do anything... Guess we gotta wait n see.....
OMG your talking about that Bruce Leroy Looking Guy that's always running? I almost ran that fool over while he jogged across the street against a don't cross light. Didn't know that were syringes on his ears I thought they were some kind of cordless headphones.
Yeah that guy needs to be interned somewhere else.
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Any thoughts on returning fire to someone outside the home?
I'm not sure what the place looks like, but it wouldn't seem like a good idea.
note that we are absolutely liable for every projectile that leaves the barrel of our firearms
and that any projectile that leaves our property is reckless endangering
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note that we are absolutely liable for every projectile that leaves the barrel of our firearms
and that any projectile that leaves our property is reckless endangering
i don't mean to argue with you Macsak, but i think you meant to say that intentionally discharging a firearm in a populated area (other than a target range) is reckless endangering, regardless of the circumstances.
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i don't mean to argue with you Macsak, but i think you meant to say that intentionally discharging a firearm in a populated area (other than a target range) is reckless endangering, regardless of the circumstances.
http://hawaiirifleassociation.org/hawaii-gun-laws/
RECKLESS ENDANGERING
Discharging a firearm toward a populated area or on or toward a street or road is reckless endangering. This can apply to private ranges, plinking, negligent discharges, and self-defense use.
i actually mis-stated the first one:
The owner of a firearm is “absolutely” liable for personal injury or property damage caused by the discharge of he firearm unless the firearm was stolen and reasonably reported stolen, or unless the discharge of the firearm was legally justified.
same source
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http://hawaiirifleassociation.org/hawaii-gun-laws/
RECKLESS ENDANGERING
Discharging a firearm toward a populated area or on or toward a street or road is reckless endangering. This can apply to private ranges, plinking, negligent discharges, and self-defense use.
i actually mis-stated the first one:
The owner of a firearm is “absolutely” liable for personal injury or property damage caused by the discharge of he firearm unless the firearm was stolen and reasonably reported stolen, or unless the discharge of the firearm was legally justified.
same source
Wow that law is stupid as fuck. So if some dudes tries to kill me if I shoot him and save my life and my families life I will automatically get charged with reckless endangerment? Lose my gun rights and become a criminal? Unless of course I like on a 50 acre farm with no streets or populated areas?
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That's why this is a crazy scenario.
Guy riddling your house with gunfire from the driveway or sidewalk and pretty much no way to return fire without endangering neighbors.
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Sounds like a common sense law to me. You are responsible for every shot that leaves the barrel. However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified), though the exemption isn't unlimited like if you spray and pray. So you are protected from being charged criminally. Law enforcement have to follow these laws too.
On the civil side, if you have a negligent discharge at your home or shoot an errant round or riccochete at the range, and it hits me a half-mile away, I'm going to sue you. If it's a self-defense situation and you miss the bad guy and hit me, I'm going to sue you...at least to pay for the hospital bill and incapacitation. Also why Koko Head range needs improvements to fix the safety risks.
Training and safety are very important and most people don't realize they are undertrained for situations like this. You can't just spray bullets in a self-defense situation and put your life ahead of other innocent people. And just because you can return fire doesn't necessarily mean you should.
Basically for self-defense situations you have nothing to gain, but everything to lose.
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http://hawaiirifleassociation.org/hawaii-gun-laws/
RECKLESS ENDANGERING
Discharging a firearm toward a populated area or on or toward a street or road is reckless endangering. This can apply to private ranges, plinking, negligent discharges, and self-defense use.
i actually mis-stated the first one:
The owner of a firearm is “absolutely” liable for personal injury or property damage caused by the discharge of he firearm unless the firearm was stolen and reasonably reported stolen, or unless the discharge of the firearm was legally justified.
same source
macsak, if you want a better source, refer to HRS §707-714(1)(b) http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0707/HRS_0707-0714.htm
§707-714 Reckless endangering in the second degree.
(1) A person commits the offense of reckless endangering in the second degree if the person:
(a) ...
(b) Intentionally discharges a firearm in a populated area, in a residential area, or within the boundaries or in the direction of any road, street, or highway; provided that the provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to any person who discharges a firearm upon a target range for the purpose of the target shooting done in compliance with all laws and regulations applicable thereto.
Wow that law is stupid as fuck. So if some dudes tries to kill me if I shoot him and save my life and my families life I will automatically get charged with reckless endangerment? Lose my gun rights and become a criminal? Unless of course I like on a 50 acre farm with no streets or populated areas?
you won't automatically get charged with Reckless Endangering 2nd, but you could be charged with it. if you get a chance, read state v. martins, 106 haw. 62, 101 p.3d 671 (ICA 2004). there is some discussion in there as to the sufficiency of the evidence for a jury to decide whether an area is "populated" for the purpose of Reckless 2nd. the case relies on an older version of the statute, but the older version is almost identical to the current version quoted above.
That's why this is a crazy scenario.
Guy riddling your house with gunfire from the driveway or sidewalk and pretty much no way to return fire without endangering neighbors.
reckless endangering 2nd has nothing to do with whether you are actually endangering neighbors. Although you are likely endangering them if you are firing in the direction of houses or streets (707-714(1)(a)), the other part of the "or" makes the shooter criminally liable (707-714(1)(b)).
Sounds like a common sense law to me. You are responsible for every shot that leaves the barrel. However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified), though the exemption isn't unlimited like if you spray and pray. So you are protected from being charged criminally. Law enforcement have to follow these laws too.
On the civil side, if you have a negligent discharge at your home or shoot an errant round or riccochete at the range, and it hits me a half-mile away, I'm going to sue you. If it's a self-defense situation and you miss the bad guy and hit me, I'm going to sue you...at least to pay for the hospital bill and incapacitation. Also why Koko Head range needs improvements to fix the safety risks.
Training and safety are very important and most people don't realize they are undertrained for situations like this. You can't just spray bullets in a self-defense situation and put your life ahead of other innocent people. And just because you can return fire doesn't necessarily mean you should.
Basically for self-defense situations you have nothing to gain, but everything to lose.
i don't think that the legal affirmative defense of self defense is available for this. it may be available as a defense to a homicide charge, but not for reckless endangering 2nd. defense counsel may try to argue that the discharge of the firearm may not have been "intentional," but there's almost no way that a defense counsel would win that battle.
"intentionally" is a legal term of art and it refers to the purposefulness of the action. in this case, i think "intentionally" refers to the discharge of the firearm. in other words, imagine a prosecutor asking, "[Defendant], when you pulled the trigger of the firearm, did you know that the firearm would discharge a round? Did you intend to discharge a round by pulling the trigger?"
"intentionally" has nothing to do with whether you were hoping that you would hit your intended target.
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macsak, if you want a better source, refer to HRS §707-714(1)(b) http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0707/HRS_0707-0714.htm
§707-714 Reckless endangering in the second degree.
(1) A person commits the offense of reckless endangering in the second degree if the person:
(a) ...
(b) Intentionally discharges a firearm in a populated area, in a residential area, or within the boundaries or in the direction of any road, street, or highway; provided that the provisions of this paragraph shall not apply to any person who discharges a firearm upon a target range for the purpose of the target shooting done in compliance with all laws and regulations applicable thereto.
mahalo, asin
it's easier for me to look up the layman's version
:)
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The "However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified)" would fall under a different HRS §703-304 Use of force in self-protection.
Also remember law enforcement have to abide by the same laws too, so if it was the case they would be charged with reckless endangering too.
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The "However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified)" would fall under a different HRS §703-304 Use of force in self-protection.
Also remember law enforcement have to abide by the same laws too, so if it was the case they would be charged with reckless endangering too.
there's a difference between what the law says, and what the prosecutor thinks they can get a conviction for...
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Sounds like a common sense law to me. You are responsible for every shot that leaves the barrel. However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified), though the exemption isn't unlimited like if you spray and pray. So you are protected from being charged criminally. Law enforcement have to follow these laws too.
On the civil side, if you have a negligent discharge at your home or shoot an errant round or riccochete at the range, and it hits me a half-mile away, I'm going to sue you. If it's a self-defense situation and you miss the bad guy and hit me, I'm going to sue you...at least to pay for the hospital bill and incapacitation. Also why Koko Head range needs improvements to fix the safety risks.
Training and safety are very important and most people don't realize they are undertrained for situations like this. You can't just spray bullets in a self-defense situation and put your life ahead of other innocent people. And just because you can return fire doesn't necessarily mean you should.
Basically for self-defense situations you have nothing to gain, but everything to lose.
I agree with 99.999% with what you stated. However, I believe that we do have one thing to gain (possibly) in a self defense scenario, and its a big one.. with properly aimed fire you just might make the bad guy stop trying to kill you. :thumbsup:
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The "However it makes an exemption for a self-defense use (legally justified)" would fall under a different HRS §703-304 Use of force in self-protection.
Also remember law enforcement have to abide by the same laws too, so if it was the case they would be charged with reckless endangering too.
while it is true that there is an exemption for the use of force (including deadly force) in a self-defense situation, the section you cited doesn't expressly allow for the use of firearms for self defense. in other words, the term "deadly force" can apply to other means, such as knives or a baseball bat. it's a little absurd when you think about it because this is basically like saying, "if someone shoots at you, you're welcome to throw as many knives as you want at them, but you aren't allowed to shoot back without criminal liability."
yes, it is true that law enforcement must play play similar rules however the law allows for exceptions where they are acting within their duty.
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just get a big dog
be prepared to spend a little more on your homeowner's insurance though...I found that out. First thing they ask you if you own a dog and how big, breed etc....
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What a terrifying experience for the victims. It sounds like something you would find in a revenge scene of a movie, being shot at with 30 plus rounds.
It's sad we live in such a world. It's even more sadder that we are not really allowed to truly defend ourselves against someone who is attempting to hurt us outside the threshold of our own home.
If you shoot at the perp, one of your rounds could hit a bystander, which could get you arrested and sued.
If you don't shoot at the perp, you could get shot and killed by the perp.
Overall, this case again underscores the fact that the police are more reactive than proactive. They investigate and pick up the pieces AFTER a crime has been committed.
Luckily, in this case, no one got hurt. It could have been way worse. Glad God was on the family's side.
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Updated info. He was witnessed reloading the rifle 3 times, mother was grazed by a bullet, and son was almost shot. Glad they all made it through.
http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment
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Updated info. He was witnessed reloading the rifle 3 times, mother was grazed by a bullet, and son was almost shot. Glad they all made it through.
http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment
"automatic rifle"?
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I'm thinking we could use this to show that the police can't protect people, and people bear the responsibility of protecting themselves.
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What a terrifying experience for the victims. It sounds like something you would find in a revenge scene of a movie, being shot at with 30 plus rounds.
It's sad we live in such a world. It's even more sadder that we are not really allowed to truly defend ourselves against someone who is attempting to hurt us outside the threshold of our own home.
If you shoot at the perp, one of your rounds could hit a bystander, which could get you arrested and sued.
If you don't shoot at the perp, you could get shot and killed by the perp.
Overall, this case again underscores the fact that the police are more reactive than proactive. They investigate and pick up the pieces AFTER a crime has been committed.
Luckily, in this case, no one got hurt. It could have been way worse. Glad God was on the family's side.
I agree with the above. Thing is if you have a firearm and don't use it for self defense and get shot, the antis will use that to argue why firearm ownership for self protection is useless.
If faced with this scenario of one lone assailant shooting my home from outside, I wouldn't engage outside or shoot outside. I would be armed with a holstered pistol carrying a shotgun and connected to the 911 operator. If the perp manages to get in, I will take action without verbal command to stop the threat when he enters. I believe that you should have some piece of furniture or bulky item close by your front door so it can be easily moved to a position which would keep the invader boxed in for a few seconds. Also hopefully you're using a different caliber then the perp so LE/DA can't use any stray rounds against you
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I'm thinking we could use this to show that the police can't protect people, and people bear the responsibility of protecting themselves.
yeah, but the media is going to use it to further their agenda
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yeah, but the media is going to use it to further their agenda
then comes the question..."Why do you need an AyyyARRR15?"
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then comes the question..."Why do you need an AyyyARRR15?"
2 b equally armed against criminals ? :wacko:
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Updated info. He was witnessed reloading the rifle 3 times, mother was grazed by a bullet, and son was almost shot. Glad they all made it through.
http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment
Man a accused in Kunia shooting obeyed law by possessing only 10 rnd clips ( :rofl:).
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No gun was found?
I'm gonna take my dog and search the gulch by those townhouses.
Maybe score me a free ar15. :thumbsup:
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Looks like a bunch of people trampled down all the tall grass behind that townhouse.
About 200 -300 yards of grass is pushed down.
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Quote from: oldfart on October 17, 2016, 02:47:43 PM
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No gun was found?
I'm gonna take my dog and search the gulch by those townhouses.
Maybe score me a free ar15. :thumbsup:
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Looks like a bunch of people trampled down all the tall grass behind that townhouse.
About 200 -300 yards of grass is pushed down.
Whooa, down boy. :wave:
When Vidinha was done shooting- witnesses say he left the rifle on the ground and they picked it up to make sure he couldn't shoot it again. Police arrested Vidinha in his apartment. And say while in custody, he admitted he was the one who shot the gun. :-\
http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment
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Quote from: oldfart on October 17, 2016, 02:47:43 PM
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No gun was found?
I'm gonna take my dog and search the gulch by those townhouses.
Maybe score me a free ar15. :thumbsup:
Whooa, down boy. :wave:
When Vidinha was done shooting- witnesses say he left the rifle on the ground and they picked it up to make sure he couldn't shoot it again. Police arrested Vidinha in his apartment. And say while in custody, he admitted he was the one who shot the gun. :-\
http://www.kitv.com/story/33422520/breaking-report-gunman-reloaded-automatic-rifle-three-times-while-firing-into-kunia-apartment
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Oh well.....
Maybe it's crop circles :rofl:
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automatic rifle? didn't know that he used a machine gun, wow! OMG! mass hysteria. weapons of mass destruction.
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KITV report states RELOAD in caps. Don't know what their agenda of doing that is. Maybe they're supporting the idea that would have been better if he had 1 standard capacity mag so he wouldn't have to reload. :thumbsup:
Why do civilians need ARs, same reason why LE needs them, for self defense.
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Thing is if you have a firearm and don't use it for self defense and get shot, the antis will use that to argue why firearm ownership for self protection is useless. [...]
If some wacko is outside pumping 5.56 rounds into my house, I'm pretty sure the LAST thing on my mind will be "I wonder how Bloomberg is going to spin this?"
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next thing you know the AOAO will require residents to register their guns with them ::)
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next thing you know the AOAO will require residents to register their guns with them ::)
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Wasn't there a case like that on the mainland?
I believe it was low income housing or something li'dat....
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next thing you know the AOAO will require residents to register their guns with them ::)
The firearm used wasn't owned by the resident who did the shooting. News said it was his relatives firearm. But I did ask my property manager permission b4 buying. Just a courtesy thing.
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The firearm used wasn't owned by the resident who did the shooting. News said it was his relatives firearm. But I did ask my property manager permission b4 buying. Just a courtesy thing.
Welcome.
What did you delete in your earlier post?
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The firearm used wasn't owned by the resident who did the shooting. News said it was his relatives firearm. But I did ask my property manager permission b4 buying. Just a courtesy thing.
2a...its a right. That's just like asking them for permission to speak
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Welcome.
What did you delete in your earlier post?
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Wrote in the wrong box and couldn't find the "remove post" button so I just deleted and saved.