Post by: mrgaf on January 05, 2017, 12:13:15 PM
Post by: rklapp on January 05, 2017, 09:14:38 PM
Post by: mrgaf on January 05, 2017, 10:50:45 PM
The $40 FFL fee is cash only unless you buy a bunch of ammo but there's a CC charge so pay cash to save money.10-4... paid cash and that's understable.... :shaka:
Post by: 841gun on January 05, 2017, 11:43:11 PM
Post by: die_lawn on January 08, 2017, 01:39:51 AM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 08, 2017, 12:22:56 PM
Bought something from them before, total was over $200, I wasn't told about a CC fee until after my transaction. Wasn't too happy with that.
First recommended review on Yelp:
(http://i.imgur.com/AFahRiL.jpg)
From their public website:
(http://i.imgur.com/xKC4KYZ.jpg)
Occasionally they waive the fee for sales events:
(http://i.imgur.com/2CTC3Kv.jpg)
I'm positive I've seen a sign at the register as well. it's always your choice to research in advance. Getting "unhappy" because you had a mistaken assumption credit card fees were already part of the price isn't their fault. In fact, if you paid cash, you'd be unexpectedly HAPPIER that you saved the CC fee other retailers charge you even if you pay with cash.
Post by: London808 on January 08, 2017, 12:30:56 PM
First recommended review on Yelp:
(http://i.imgur.com/AFahRiL.jpg)
From their public website:
(http://i.imgur.com/xKC4KYZ.jpg)
Occasionally they waive the fee for sales events:
(http://i.imgur.com/2CTC3Kv.jpg)
I'm positive I've seen a sign at the register as well. it's always your choice to research in advance. Getting "unhappy" because you had a mistaken assumption credit card fees were already part of the price isn't their fault. In fact, if you paid cash, you'd be unexpectedly HAPPIER that you saved the CC fee other retailers charge you even if you pay with cash.
Post by: die_lawn on January 08, 2017, 01:35:01 PM
First recommended review on Yelp:
(http://i.imgur.com/AFahRiL.jpg)
From their public website:
(http://i.imgur.com/xKC4KYZ.jpg)
Occasionally they waive the fee for sales events:
(http://i.imgur.com/2CTC3Kv.jpg)
I'm positive I've seen a sign at the register as well. it's always your choice to research in advance. Getting "unhappy" because you had a mistaken assumption credit card fees were already part of the price isn't their fault. In fact, if you paid cash, you'd be unexpectedly HAPPIER that you saved the CC fee other retailers charge you even if you pay with cash.
I work at a small family owned pet store, we never charge people to use a credit card, we just require that the purchase be over $10. Other places I've seen charge $.75, but not quite this high. Prime Sports, SEC, and DCT had never charged me a fee when purchasing any firearms from them either and I got there on weekly occurrences.
But like you said, it's my fault for not reading the online reviews. sorry that my opinion made you upset.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 08, 2017, 02:12:05 PM
I work at a small family owned pet store, we never charge people to use a credit card, we just require that the purchase be over $10. Other places I've seen charge $.75, but not quite this high. Prime Sports, SEC, and DCT had never charged me a fee when purchasing any firearms from them either and I got there on weekly occurrences.
But like you said, it's my fault for not reading the online reviews. sorry that my opinion made you upset.
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Why is it people have to be childish? I was upset? :rofl: Same BS I see from Hillary voters when they lose an argument. :wacko:
Rather than have a higher profit margin, they give people the option to save 3%. Turning that into a negative because you don't understand it? Whatever makes you feel better... :stopjack:
:shaka:
Post by: die_lawn on January 08, 2017, 02:21:48 PM
You went off on quite a rant so it seemed to make you upset.
I'll make sure I check all online postings before shopping there in the future. Thanks again
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Post by: Aloha808 on January 08, 2017, 02:57:13 PM
Just always do research online too before buying
ammoseek.com
luckygunner.com
gunbot.net
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 08, 2017, 03:06:30 PM
I'll make sure I check all online postings before shopping there in the future. Thanks again
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I'm glad I could help educate you and make future firearm purchases more pleasant for you.
I've been very pleased with OGC for many years. I hate to see one new customers' negative opinions go unanswered when the experience was not the store's fault.
Post by: die_lawn on January 08, 2017, 03:14:59 PM
I'm glad I could help educate you and make future firearm purchases more pleasant for you.I've heard of the good ammo deals and can appreciate that, I just like to score points on my CC since I use it to purchase a lot of firearms.
I've been very pleased with OGC for many years. I hate to see one new customers' negative opinions go unanswered when the experience was not the store's fault.
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Post by: zippz on January 08, 2017, 03:15:20 PM
Post by: Bushido on January 08, 2017, 03:16:03 PM
Picked up my SA EMP 4 commander lightweight 9mm from OGC today.
Please post a review. I went there looking for that exact same gun several months back.
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Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 08, 2017, 03:37:58 PM
I've heard of the good ammo deals and can appreciate that, I just like to score points on my CC since I use it to purchase a lot of firearms.
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If that's your objective, then I recommend paying the 3% and pretend it was part of the price -- just like you'd pay at any other store that charges you a hidden fee on all purchases.
Either that, or patiently wait for a sale. They often run sales where they pay your excise tax, CC fee or both on a minimum purchase amount.
OGC is on Twitter. You can follow them there, and you can also sign up for SMS text messages. Here's how:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=2180.msg18065#msg18065
Beware .... if you sign up, you'll be extremely tempted to drop everything and run to the store when great deals hit their Twitter feed! It might have unexpected financial consequences! >:D
Post by: cantonese808 on January 08, 2017, 03:54:42 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 08, 2017, 04:03:58 PM
Kudos to OGC for upping their customer service. Maybe they turned over a new leaf for 2017. I only go there for sales on ammo. As for this 3% extra CC charge, cant agree with that, but it is their business and they can do whatever they want. What if i paid cash for a $3k rifle, can they waive the sales tax? Probably not. Every store has their pros and cons, best thing to do is research.
Actually, yes. They've paid the tax for customers quite often, in fact.
(http://i.imgur.com/zoPhhwN.jpg)
Post by: OGC on January 09, 2017, 03:10:38 AM
The cash discount is already priced in to our advertised prices, so if for example, you were paying 10% less then you can get it from anywhere else , if you add in the 3%, you still save 7%.
If you want us to be able to offer the lowest possible price , we have to protect the minimum margin on what we sell things for to cover the overhead of having over 2000 guns in stock .
Plus debit is the same as cash, so as long as your bank doesn't have a really low daily purchase limit, that's always an option...
Post by: Inspector on January 09, 2017, 06:31:50 AM
Does anybody notice that in general, our prices are well over 3% less than many of our competitors ? Definitely not saying we win all the time on lowest price , but that's a generalization, due to our quality buying , it's often the case .Not telling you what to do or how to run your business. I have made many high dollar purchases from you in the past. I have recommended numerous customers to your store in the past and many of my friends have bought many high ticket items in your store. I understand your business model and concept. It goes against my normal reaction to have to pay 3% for using a credit card. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are doing and applaud it. What I am saying is when you first informed me of this policy (years ago) my initial reaction was I won't be doing business here again because it is costing me 3% more. When it sunk in what you were saying I planned my purchases with you around using cash (which I no longer carry) or my debit card. It was just the initial surprise/reaction which I had to think about that put me off at first (for a very short time).
The cash discount is already priced in to our advertised prices, so if for example, you were paying 10% less then you can get it from anywhere else , if you add in the 3%, you still save 7%.
If you want us to be able to offer the lowest possible price , we have to protect the minimum margin on what we sell things for to cover the overhead of having over 2000 guns in stock .
Plus debit is the same as cash, so as long as your bank doesn't have a really low daily purchase limit, that's always an option...
For me, at first, it would have been better to price your products with selling by credit card and then offer a 3% discount if one uses cash or debit card. This is just me and the way I think. It seemed like the way you offer this is sort of like a punishment to use a credit card. As compared to giving a 3% reward for using cash/debit card. I realize it is all perception. The prices are the same. Bottom line is the same. And the offer to use cash/debit card and get a discount is the same. It is just how it is presented to the customer that is different. And maybe for some, easier to understand and deal with. For those of us that have been around for a while and are used to the way you do business it is normal for us.
Again, not trying to tell you what to do or how to run your business. Just trying to offer up a different perception of how to do the same thing that you are doing now in way that may be less off putting to newer and less connected customers. :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
Post by: Garuda on January 09, 2017, 08:44:28 AM
Like ADM at a car dealership, some people just don't get it. Store X is giving me $4000 for my jalopy, why are you giving me only $200?!?! If you get fixated on the 3% number (the trade), you arent looking at the whole deal.
Post by: Rocky on January 09, 2017, 08:47:03 AM
Not telling you what to do or how to run your business. I have made many high dollar purchases from you in the past. I have recommended numerous customers to your store in the past and many of my friends have bought many high ticket items in your store. I understand your business model and concept. It goes against my normal reaction to have to pay 3% for using a credit card. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are doing and applaud it. What I am saying is when you first informed me of this policy (years ago) my initial reaction was I won't be doing business here again because it is costing me 3% more. When it sunk in what you were saying I planned my purchases with you around using cash (which I no longer carry) or my debit card. It was just the initial surprise/reaction which I had to think about that put me off at first (for a very short time).
For me, at first, it would have been better to price your products with selling by credit card and then offer a 3% discount if one uses cash or debit card. This is just me and the way I think. It seemed like the way you offer this is sort of like a punishment to use a credit card. As compared to giving a 3% reward for using cash/debit card. I realize it is all perception. The prices are the same. Bottom line is the same. And the offer to use cash/debit card and get a discount is the same. It is just how it is presented to the customer that is different. And maybe for some, easier to understand and deal with. For those of us that have been around for a while and are used to the way you do business it is normal for us.
Again, not trying to tell you what to do or how to run your business. Just trying to offer up a different perception of how to do the same thing that you are doing now in way that may be less off putting to newer and less connected customers. :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
BRILLIANT ! :wave:
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on January 09, 2017, 12:15:32 PM
Not telling you what to do or how to run your business. I have made many high dollar purchases from you in the past. I have recommended numerous customers to your store in the past and many of my friends have bought many high ticket items in your store. I understand your business model and concept. It goes against my normal reaction to have to pay 3% for using a credit card. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you are doing and applaud it. What I am saying is when you first informed me of this policy (years ago) my initial reaction was I won't be doing business here again because it is costing me 3% more. When it sunk in what you were saying I planned my purchases with you around using cash (which I no longer carry) or my debit card. It was just the initial surprise/reaction which I had to think about that put me off at first (for a very short time).
For me, at first, it would have been better to price your products with selling by credit card and then offer a 3% discount if one uses cash or debit card. This is just me and the way I think. It seemed like the way you offer this is sort of like a punishment to use a credit card. As compared to giving a 3% reward for using cash/debit card. I realize it is all perception. The prices are the same. Bottom line is the same. And the offer to use cash/debit card and get a discount is the same. It is just how it is presented to the customer that is different. And maybe for some, easier to understand and deal with. For those of us that have been around for a while and are used to the way you do business it is normal for us.
Again, not trying to tell you what to do or how to run your business. Just trying to offer up a different perception of how to do the same thing that you are doing now in way that may be less off putting to newer and less connected customers. :shaka: :shaka: :shaka:
So, given everything you just said, would you rather OGC tweet out the lowest (cash/debit card) price for sales, or the higher, CC version? Which would you prefer when comparison shopping?
Assuming most here didn't know the CC fee situation before going to OGC (as some have confessed):
if you don't know some stores offer a cash discount, would you be
(A) more upset paying the 3% CC fee at point of sale which would make the price closer to the competition's, or
(B) more upset finding out after a purchase you would have saved an extra 3% had you gone to OGC and paid cash?
Post by: mrgaf on January 09, 2017, 12:19:28 PM
Please post a review. I went there looking for that exact same gun several months back.They are very hard to come by. I actually waited about 4 months to get mine from Buds Gun Shop. Had 24 hours to say yes or no. Guess I was lucky this time around :worship: Will do! :shaka:
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Post by: Inspector on January 09, 2017, 12:58:16 PM
It matters not how I feel nor what I prefer. OGC is going to do business the way they prefer to. I only offered them a different perspective from a customer's point of view.
So, given everything you just said, would you rather OGC tweet out the lowest (cash/debit card) price for sales, or the higher, CC version? Which would you prefer when comparison shopping?
Assuming most here didn't know the CC fee situation before going to OGC (as some have confessed):I would not be upset at all about either of your two scenarios. I always have the option of walking away if I were to get that "upset".
if you don't know some stores offer a cash discount, would you be
(A) more upset paying the 3% CC fee at point of sale which would make the price closer to the competition's, or
(B) more upset finding out after a purchase you would have saved an extra 3% had you gone to OGC and paid cash?
I look at it this way. When I make a purchase from a retailer I expect them to offer what they have at a price. If I accept their price (before finding out about the 3%) I have a choice to accept the new price or not. If I do then we have executed a contract. To me contracts are binding. I was happy paying their price. And if I was not happy I would not buy from them. But I rarely ever allow myself to get "upset" over the price of something.
Let's face it, using a credit card most of the time means I accept the fact that the 3% (or whatever fees) are built into the price I agreed to pay. I would rather pay the 3% for most everything than to have to deal with using cash constantly for every purchase I make. I like the ease of use, using a credit card and making one payment at the end of the month. But if I am making a large purchase I will ask if there is a discount for cash or a Kama'aina Discount.
Post by: rklapp on January 09, 2017, 02:20:58 PM
So, given everything you just said, would you rather OGC tweet out the lowest (cash/debit card) price for sales, or the higher, CC version? Which would you prefer when comparison shopping?
Assuming most here didn't know the CC fee situation before going to OGC (as some have confessed):
if you don't know some stores offer a cash discount, would you be
(A) more upset paying the 3% CC fee at point of sale which would make the price closer to the competition's, or
(B) more upset finding out after a purchase you would have saved an extra 3% had you gone to OGC and paid cash?
Post by: Bushido on January 09, 2017, 08:18:57 PM
Post by: Bushido on January 09, 2017, 08:21:26 PM
They are very hard to come by. I actually waited about 4 months to get mine from Buds Gun Shop. Had 24 hours to say yes or no. Guess I was lucky this time around :worship: Will do! :shaka:
4 months wow. might have to look at the Colt Defender.
Post by: mrgaf on January 10, 2017, 11:11:47 AM
Post by: Garuda on January 10, 2017, 12:13:39 PM
And all I wanted to do was tell everyone what great service I got from OGC...... should have kept my mouth shut but don't care, still got great service from them. :wtf: :closed:
;D
Post by: mrgaf on January 10, 2017, 01:03:44 PM
4 months wow. might have to look at the Colt Defender.try going to Buds Gun Shop, establish an account. search for the EMP4. If they have it in stock, great. if not put yourself on a wait list. They'll get back to you once some come in. Buds is pretty good but if you use a credit card you'll pay retail. What I did was establish a savings account with my bank, put a grand in it and let Buds take directly from there, this way you'll get the discounted price. All handguns ship free and OGC is a preferred FFL dealer with Buds. it takes about 7 days for them to withdraw the funds from your account and another two days to ship. Just did a check on Buds... they have it in stock!
Here's the link:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/4014/Springfield+9M+EMP+CHAMP+LWT+2TN
:thumbsup:
Post by: Miles808 on January 10, 2017, 06:04:37 PM
Post by: ren on January 10, 2017, 06:09:27 PM
OGC has some great deals, especially on ammo. I'm sure there profit margin is under 10% on some of their sales where taxes and CC fees are higher than their profit.
Any sales on tracer ammo?