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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kukailimoku on February 03, 2017, 04:58:39 PM
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Hello all,
[Moderator forgive me if this has been asked/answered somewhere else, this forum is so huge I didn't find it]
May I buy a long arm in another state and fly home with it and register it?
I am NOT talking about ordering one online or over the phone, having the distant vendor send it to a dealer in Hawaii, and getting it that way.
I am talking about physically going to another state in-person, buying one there, and flying home with it.
Is that legal/illegal in HPD/Hawaii's eyes?
Presuming the distant state doesn't care where I reside at and does sell to me, why would Hawaii care if I bought it somewhere else?
I am a Hawaii resident. I am traveling to Louisiana on a business trip, and just talked to a salesgirl there who said they could sell to me (even though I am a Hawaii, NOT a Louisiana resident) with only a quick phone call/check up of me via some...database or agency somewhere... Regardless of weather or not that is true in LA, for the purposes of this forum, what would Hawaii/HPD think of that purchase?
Would they seize it after I pass it to them through the thick glass a their Beretania St registration window and not give it back to me???
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Thats a question for the ATF, Call them @ (808) 566-4800
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Not a problem, I do it all the time.
It bypasses HPD permit process. ;)
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Not a problem, I do it all the time.
It bypasses HPD permit process. ;)
Right. And if you forget to register them in the allotted time you dont have to register them. SCOTUS : Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968)
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Right. And if you forget to register them in the allotted time you dont have to register them. SCOTUS : Haynes v. United States, 390 U.S. 85 (1968)
doesnt look like that has worked well in the past...
https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.haynes.html
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I'd think as long as you have a Permit to Acquire and a plane ticket to show how you got it here, you should be okay.
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I'd think as long as you have a Permit to Acquire and a plane ticket to show how you got it here, you should be okay.
Not required to obtain a firearm from out of State.
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doesnt look like that has worked well in the past...
https://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.haynes.html
Both of those relate to NFA items, and as stated after Haynes they changed it so that a felons can register an NFA item and not be charged with illegal possession,
There is currently a bill in hawaii that would decriminalize late registration for this reason. By registring a gun late you would be forced into incriminating yourself. Now if this bill passes you would be on your own.
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OP was referring to buying a firearm out of State, not bypassing HI registration process.
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Not required to obtain a firearm from out of State.
That's not what I'm saying. The complication is that he's not moving to the state since he already lives here nor is he "sojourning" to the state. He doesn't need a PtA from Louisiana and sounds like he doesn't need much. The OP is asking if he'll get in trouble with HPD since he's circumventing the waiting period requirement by traveling to another state, purchasing the firearm, and bring it back with him. If he already has the PtA (and subsequently rapback), then he's not taking advantage of a loophole.
"Out of state registrants need to take firearm(s), in person, to the Main Police Station Firearms Unit no later than 5 calendar days from arrival. Out of state registrants are encouraged to arrive at the Firearms Unit no later than 3:00 pm. The out of state registration process can be lengthy. If there is a line, we may not be able to accommodate you. There is no 14-day waiting period for Out-of-State Registration. You need the following when you register your firearm:
Rapback fee $42.00. Cash / exact change or Credit Card.
Valid photo identification
The firearm for inspection (In a gun case, unloaded)
If you were born outside the United States, bring proof of citizenship such as an Original US Passport, Original Naturalization Certificate, Original Born Abroad Certificate, or if you are in the military your Enlisted (ERB) or Officer (ORB) Record Brief will suffice only if the document states you are a United States Citizen."
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Like I said , I do it all the time. Its does circumvent the HPD waiting period. But HPD has no jurisdiction for any firearms obtain out of State.
All this was before the Rapback. Bringing back the firearm would put oneself into the system, Only plus is it bypasses the BS 2 weeks to get a permit if someone doesn't have a permit.
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What is 'Rapback' ?
And yes, the OP does have a PtA (longarm) from HPD. OP just wants to take advantage of opportunity off-island. (And, price)
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Like I said , I do it all the time. Its does circumvent the HPD waiting period. But HPD has no jurisdiction for any firearms obtain out of State.
All this was before the Rapback. Bringing back the firearm would put oneself into the system, Only plus is it bypasses the BS 2 weeks to get a permit if someone doesn't have a permit.
Yup. While I've not done it personally, I have a bunch of friends who have done this. Buy while in business trip or even on vacation and bring home.
I thought about doing this once while in Alaska, but they require residency to purchase. So didn't bother. The pricing was just ok as well. Not like other states that don't have residency requirement.
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To clarify:
Hawaii state laws about purchasing firearms only apply to firearms purchased in Hawaii. Permits issued in Hawaii have no legal meaning outside of the state, and are irrelevant.
Any firearm you legally purchase in another state is your property. What hoops you had to jump through were determined by that state.
Bringing your property back, in the case of firearms, means you do have to register it with HPD. HPD knows that this happens, and are fairly blase about it. You won't get in trouble, it's fine.
You will find yourself enrolled in a Federal database for violent criminals called RapBack. That is a new law in Hawaii, and pertains to any firearms registration in the state. It would have happened if you bought it here, too.
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To clarify:
Hawaii state laws about purchasing firearms only apply to firearms purchased in Hawaii. Permits issued in Hawaii have no legal meaning outside of the state, and are irrelevant.
Any firearm you legally purchase in another state is your property. What hoops you had to jump through were determined by that state.
Bringing your property back, in the case of firearms, means you do have to register it with HPD. HPD knows that this happens, and are fairly blase about it. You won't get in trouble, it's fine.
You will find yourself enrolled in a Federal database for violent criminals called RapBack. That is a new law in Hawaii, and pertains to any firearms registration in the state. It would have happened if you bought it here, too.
Thanks!
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You will find yourself enrolled in a Federal database for violent criminals called RapBack.
If only that were true. Even non-violent crimes are reported to HPD. It's intended to keep track of teachers and public servants. It was never intended for gun owners. Totally rigged. Sad.
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Yup. While I've not done it personally, I have a bunch of friends who have done this. Buy while in business trip or even on vacation and bring home.
I thought about doing this once while in Alaska, but they require residency to purchase. So didn't bother. The pricing was just ok as well. Not like other states that don't have residency requirement.
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I purchased a long gun in Fairbanks @ Fred Meyer in 2014. Just had to have a valid Hawaii Hawaii permit and a Hawaii drivers license. No prob registering it here when I got back... :shaka:
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I purchased a long gun in Fairbanks @ Fred Meyer in 2014. Just had to have a valid Hawaii Hawaii permit and a Hawaii drivers license. No prob registering it here when I got back... :shaka:
Why would you need a Hawaii permit outside of Hawaii ?
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Why would you need a Hawaii permit outside of Hawaii ?
?? exactly ??
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I purchased a long gun in Fairbanks @ Fred Meyer in 2014. Just had to have a valid Hawaii Hawaii permit and a Hawaii drivers license. No prob registering it here when I got back... :shaka:
Went to a couple gun shops. Both said needed to be resident. That was in 2012 I think. Didn't really question as I wasn't really serious. Was just asking if I came across a great deal. Was more serious about ammo, but didn't end up bringing home any.
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Can't an FFL refuse you a sale based on anything they want? For example, something just seems wrong about you?
So, if they know your state requires a permit to acquire, can't they also require you show that before buying? That way they know you weren't turned down and are now are trying to circumvent that denial?
Otherwise, they can just have a set policy they only ship to an FFL in Hawaii. That way they know you have to abide by your state's requirements before picking it up.
Don't blame the seller. Blame Hawaii's laws.
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Can't an FFL refuse you a sale based on anything they want? For example, something just seems wrong about you?
So, if they know your state requires a permit to acquire, can't they also require you show that before buying? That way they know you weren't turned down and are now are trying to circumvent that denial?
Otherwise, they can just have a set policy they only ship to an FFL in Hawaii. That way they know you have to abide by your state's requirements before picking it up.
Don't blame the seller. Blame Hawaii's laws.
A 4473 is still required for dealer purchases, a private seller could care less. cash and carry in most States on the mainland.
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Can't an FFL refuse you a sale based on anything they want? For example, something just seems wrong about you?
So, if they know your state requires a permit to acquire, can't they also require you show that before buying? That way they know you weren't turned down and are now are trying to circumvent that denial?
Otherwise, they can just have a set policy they only ship to an FFL in Hawaii. That way they know you have to abide by your state's requirements before picking it up.
Don't blame the seller. Blame Hawaii's laws.
Why the fuck would they? Hawaiis las do t apply to them. Why would they turn down a sale ????
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It different with pistols ?
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I have bought long guns from other states. No problems bringing them back and registering them here in Hawaii. HPD didn't even ask me anything about when I brought them to the state (even though I came in within 48 hours of landing here).
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Is
It different with pistols ?
Most State don't care what type of firearms are transferred under private parties. Some State do regulate handguns to residents only and require some sort of paperwork with a dealer.
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A 4473 is still required for dealer purchases, a private seller could care less. cash and carry in most States on the mainland.
Most State don't care what type of firearms are transferred under private parties. Some State do regulate handguns to residents only and require some sort of paperwork with a dealer.
State laws do vary, but you know better...
A private party sale/transfer of any firearm between residents of different States must go through a FFL, otherwise it violates Federal law.
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Hello all,
[Moderator forgive me if this has been asked/answered somewhere else, this forum is so huge I didn't find it]
May I buy a long arm in another state and fly home with it and register it?
I am NOT talking about ordering one online or over the phone, having the distant vendor send it to a dealer in Hawaii, and getting it that way.
I am talking about physically going to another state in-person, buying one there, and flying home with it.
Is that legal/illegal in HPD/Hawaii's eyes?
Presuming the distant state doesn't care where I reside at and does sell to me, why would Hawaii care if I bought it somewhere else?
I am a Hawaii resident. I am traveling to Louisiana on a business trip, and just talked to a salesgirl there who said they could sell to me (even though I am a Hawaii, NOT a Louisiana resident) with only a quick phone call/check up of me via some...database or agency somewhere... Regardless of weather or not that is true in LA, for the purposes of this forum, what would Hawaii/HPD think of that purchase?
Would they seize it after I pass it to them through the thick glass a their Beretania St registration window and not give it back to me???
You may purchase and take possession of a long gun from any licensed dealer in the mainland, as long as it is not prohibited by that states laws. You'll have to register it within 5 days of bringing in back to Hawaii.
A handgun would require shipping to a licensed dealer here, then you do your 4473, apply for the permit, and wait the 14 days.
That's just how it's done in compliance with Federal and State law.
There is no law in Louisiana that prohibits sales through a licensed dealer to non-residents. Some places may have "store policies", so just take your business down the road...There are a lot of small mom and pop places and pawn shops that will be happy to make the sale. As long as the place has their FFL, you're good to go.
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I purchased a long gun in Fairbanks @ Fred Meyer in 2014. Just had to have a valid Hawaii Hawaii permit and a Hawaii drivers license. No prob registering it here when I got back... :shaka:
Went to a couple gun shops. Both said needed to be resident. That was in 2012 I think. Didn't really question as I wasn't really serious. Was just asking if I came across a great deal. Was more serious about ammo, but didn't end up bringing home any.
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Some to think of it, when I asked about this in the two LGSs, it was handguns, not long guns. Maybe they had different rules about residency for handguns and long guns.
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Most State don't care what type of firearms are transferred under private parties. Some State do regulate handguns to residents only and require some sort of paperwork with a dealer.
is their ant Federal/ATF laws to worry about ?
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is their ant Federal/ATF laws to worry about ?
Most States:
Cousin Joe-Bob has a gun you like, You give him $300 and its yours. No paperwork required on the federal level. Most States do not require any notification of a sale or transfer.
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thanks all, especially the concrete answers some of you threw out.
Let me help answer my own question, but don't let that stop the conversation keep going.
I just called the HPD firearms phone number and a civilian sounding lady (odd, as I've only ever seen uniform males working the windows - all two times I've been there - maybe she was a clerk in the back?) told me no problem. She said something about a new $42 fee since DEC 2016 (dagnabbit! I got my PtA n Oct or Nov!!!), but otherwise okay.
Of course all of this discussion is about long arms only. Also, on the Louisiana side of the equation, they said must be LA resident for pistolas but no problem for a long arm. This was all just three-minute counter talk so I'm not positive, I've not yet tried to actually buy one here. Yet...
FYI, I was thinking that opportunity/price would be a very compelling reason to buy one while here vs buying one in Hawaii. But I just cold-called a couple/three of the more well known gun shops back on Oahu and many guns similar to what I'm looking for are available in Oahu stores and also close to or right at MSRP. So price/availability does not seem to be a really big 'plus' to buying on the mainland. If anything, a 'minus' might be the hassle of buying a case and paying airline to check it as baggage.
I still may buy one up here, just because I KNOW I can get one here because I see it on the rack right now and if I get home it'll turn into an "oh, we just sold the last one last week" or "we don't carry that model anymore but can order it" story...
Also, any chance I get to do something non-traditional with Hawaii's "isms", I do it. I buy all my vehicles in Washington and ship them in Matson. And STILL save thousands. I respect the free market - if a Hawaii merchant wants to treat me like a captured audience, then fair enough. The flip side is if I can get something on the outside and bring it in, then fair enough right back at em.
But definitely don't let this stop the conversation, keep going with the anecdotes they all help to inform us..
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thanks all, especially the concrete answers some of you threw out.
Let me help answer my own question, but don't let that stop the conversation keep going.
I just called the HPD firearms phone number and a civilian sounding lady (odd, as I've only ever seen uniform males working the windows - all two times I've been there - maybe she was a clerk in the back?) told me no problem. She said something about a new $42 fee since DEC 2016 (dagnabbit! I got my PtA n Oct or Nov!!!), but otherwise okay.
Of course all of this discussion is about long arms only. Also, on the Louisiana side of the equation, they said must be LA resident for pistolas but no problem for a long arm. This was all just three-minute counter talk so I'm not positive, I've not yet tried to actually buy one here. Yet...
FYI, I was thinking that opportunity/price would be a very compelling reason to buy one while here vs buying one in Hawaii. But I just cold-called a couple/three of the more well known gun shops back on Oahu and many guns similar to what I'm looking for are available in Oahu stores and also close to or right at MSRP. So price/availability does not seem to be a really big 'plus' to buying on the mainland. If anything, a 'minus' might be the hassle of buying a case and paying airline to check it as baggage.
I still may buy one up here, just because I KNOW I can get one here because I see it on the rack right now and if I get home it'll turn into an "oh, we just sold the last one last week" or "we don't carry that model anymore but can order it" story...
Also, any chance I get to do something non-traditional with Hawaii's "isms", I do it. I buy all my vehicles in Washington and ship them in Matson. And STILL save thousands. I respect the free market - if a Hawaii merchant wants to treat me like a captured audience, then fair enough. The flip side is if I can get something on the outside and bring it in, then fair enough right back at em.
But definitely don't let this stop the conversation, keep going with the anecdotes they all help to inform us..
BTW, I also called Hawaii's field office of ATF to get a federal opinion on this and one guy didn't know squat and he transferred me to another guy who's off island for a couple weeks. So... no position from ATF perspective.
I think I'll chance em.
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ATF has been Trumpified.
https://bearingarms.com/beth-b/2017/02/07/atf-white-paper-gun-regulations/
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I'm going to further answer my own OP.
Turns out Louisiana was a no-go in my case. LA can sell only to resident of adjacent states.
But I think I learned enough to say that the general idea holds water - you as a Hawaii state resident can buy a gun from out of Hawaii state and carry it home and there is no problem registering it, nor do you need a state permit to purchase first. Just have to find a state that will sell to out of state-ers.
Also, I'm talking only about rifles. Handguns are a completely different ball of wax in almost every state.
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You cannot buy a handgun from a licensed dealer in any state, if you are not a resident of that state or one of the adjacent states that the state you are in recognizes. They will have to ship it to an FFL in your state. Some dealers won't even do that. Too much trouble. Long guns, no problem.
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Both of those relate to NFA items, and as stated after Haynes they changed it so that a felons can register an NFA item and not be charged with illegal possession,
There is currently a bill in hawaii that would decriminalize late registration for this reason. By registring a gun late you would be forced into incriminating yourself. Now if this bill passes you would be on your own.
Its a 2 part bill. It decriminalizes late registration if YOU bring it to them. But if they find it, it is a petty misdemeanor crime punishable by confiscation of the firearm. Most importantly, you would be convicted of a firearm crime.
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1036&year=2017 (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1036&year=2017)
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Legally you can buy a long gun in any other state as long as it is legal to have that particular firearm in your state of residence.
So if you were so lucky be a resident of Commiefornia, you couldn't purchase a standard AR anywhere in the country (unless you spent the extra $ to have it configured CA legal, but why waste the money)
via NRA-ILA
Interstate Gun Sales
Federal law for interstate gun sales and other transfers – those occurring between two people who are not Federal Firearm Licensees (FFLs) who live in different states — is pretty straightforward. A person who is not an FFL cannot acquire a handgun from anyone – an FFL or any other person – who lives in another state. A person (the “transferee”) acquiring a long gun must do so through a licensed dealer (FFL). It can be an FFL in any state, the transfer must comply with the laws of the FFL’s and the transferee’s states.
To begin the transfer process for a long gun acquired interstate, the transferee must fill out a form 4473 which requires identification information and requires the transferee to answer questions stating that he or she is not acquiring the firearm for someone else (other than as a gift), and that he or she is not prohibited by law from possessing firearms. It’s a federal felony to provide false information on a form 4473, so read the questions carefully.
The FFL then calls the FBI or a state law enforcement agency, depending on the state in which the transaction is taking place, and the transferee will be screened through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and, in some states, state databases of persons prohibited from possessing firearms. Once the check is completed successfully, usually a matter of only a few minutes, the FFL may transfer the firearm.
The only exceptions relate to things like gun repairs. If you need to send your gun out of state to an FFL manufacturer, you can so do directly without going to a local FFL. That FFL manufacturer can also send your gun back to you directly.
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Legally you can buy a long gun in any other state as long as it is legal to have that particular firearm in your state of residence.
So if you were so lucky be a resident of Commiefornia, you couldn't purchase a standard AR anywhere in the country (unless you spent the extra $ to have it configured CA legal, but why waste the money)
via NRA-ILA
Interstate Gun Sales
Federal law for interstate gun sales and other transfers – those occurring between two people who are not Federal Firearm Licensees (FFLs) who live in different states — is pretty straightforward. A person who is not an FFL cannot acquire a handgun from anyone – an FFL or any other person – who lives in another state. A person (the “transferee”) acquiring a long gun must do so through a licensed dealer (FFL). It can be an FFL in any state, the transfer must comply with the laws of the FFL’s and the transferee’s states.
To begin the transfer process for a long gun acquired interstate, the transferee must fill out a form 4473 which requires identification information and requires the transferee to answer questions stating that he or she is not acquiring the firearm for someone else (other than as a gift), and that he or she is not prohibited by law from possessing firearms. It’s a federal felony to provide false information on a form 4473, so read the questions carefully.
The FFL then calls the FBI or a state law enforcement agency, depending on the state in which the transaction is taking place, and the transferee will be screened through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System and, in some states, state databases of persons prohibited from possessing firearms. Once the check is completed successfully, usually a matter of only a few minutes, the FFL may transfer the firearm.
The only exceptions relate to things like gun repairs. If you need to send your gun out of state to an FFL manufacturer, you can so do directly without going to a local FFL. That FFL manufacturer can also send your gun back to you directly.
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Looking at buying another hunting rifle in Reno, Nv and bringing it back. Anyone familiar with tis and can you do this in NV?
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Looking at buying another hunting rifle in Reno, Nv and bringing it back. Anyone familiar with tis and can you do this in NV?
Iirc, 3 day waiting period. No registration in NV.
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Looking at buying another hunting rifle in Reno, Nv and bringing it back. Anyone familiar with tis and can you do this in NV?
You can buy any long gun in Nevada (that is legal in Hawaii). No waiting period. Clark County used to have a waiting period but was abolished in 2015
Clark County was the only Nevada county that had firearm registration and local gun laws until 2015. SB 175 and SB 240 were signed by Gov. Sandoval (6/2/2015). They eliminated the 'blue card' handgun registration system and other local firearm ordinances in Clark County. Handguns do not need to be registered anymore or sales completed at a police station.
https://www.nevadacarry.org/buying-and-selling-guns.html
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You can buy any long gun in Nevada (that is legal in Hawaii). No waiting period. Clark County used to have a waiting period but was abolished in 2015
Clark County was the only Nevada county that had firearm registration and local gun laws until 2015. SB 175 and SB 240 were signed by Gov. Sandoval (6/2/2015). They eliminated the 'blue card' handgun registration system and other local firearm ordinances in Clark County. Handguns do not need to be registered anymore or sales completed at a police station.
https://www.nevadacarry.org/buying-and-selling-guns.html
do you need a hawaii permit to acquire?
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do you need a hawaii permit to acquire?
Nope!
You can buy any long gun across state lines without a permit to acquire as a Hawaii resident.
For a quick down and dirty go here... https://www.nevadacarry.org/buying-and-selling-guns.html or https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/nevada-gun-laws/
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do you need a hawaii permit to acquire?
So what are you looking to get?
When SA was still around, they could usually get rifles from the major manufacturers (Remington, Savage, etc) at prices that were pretty comparable to what I could find online. So I never really looked that closely at buying a rifle out of state and bringing it back. Now that I'd be facing shipping and FFL fees, buying out of state might be a good option. Still need to factor in the gun case and shipping though. :(
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Nope!
You can buy any long gun across state lines without a permit to acquire as a Hawaii resident.
For a quick down and dirty go here... https://www.nevadacarry.org/buying-and-selling-guns.html or https://www.gunstocarry.com/gun-laws-state/nevada-gun-laws/
anything changed regarding nevada? i ended up doing only ammo last time but going back to vegas soon, will probably pick up a 22 if its simple
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anything changed regarding nevada? i ended up doing only ammo last time but going back to vegas soon, will probably pick up a 22 if its simple
Only recent change is if u buy from private Prarty.
We looked at 22 rifles and didnt find any tac drivers at LGS or sportsmans warehouse. Cheap 22 rifles had lots.
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anything changed regarding nevada? i ended up doing only ammo last time but going back to vegas soon, will probably pick up a 22 if its simple
Only additional input(s) that maybe helpful is the larger chains, ie. Sportsman's, Bass Pro, etc., may not sell to you based on their company policy covering sales to out of state customers (FFL transfer required). I have bought long guns without hassle from Cabela's in both Utah & Arizona as well but now that they're part of Bass Pro that maybe a no-go sadly. However, I've purchased several long guns, as recently as November, from two or three LGS in Vegas with no issues, EzPz. :thumbsup: Do some research as some of the bigger shops gouge like a MF. Again there at least a couple/three that are less travelled and one can find some pretty solid deals, even with the brutal sales tax.
Have a great trip :shaka:
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Only additional input(s) that maybe helpful is the larger chains, ie. Sportsman's, Bass Pro, etc., may not sell to you based on their company policy covering sales to out of state customers (FFL transfer required). I have bought long guns without hassle from Cabela's in both Utah & Arizona as well but now that they're part of Bass Pro that maybe a no-go sadly. However, I've purchased several long guns, as recently as November, from two or three LGS in Vegas with no issues, EzPz. :thumbsup: Do some research as some of the bigger shops gouge like a MF. Again there at least a couple/three that are less travelled and one can find some pretty solid deals, even with the brutal sales tax.
Have a great trip :shaka:
good to know as i was just looking into store inventory on rifles and ammo at sportsmans and bass pro to try to save some time. any non big box stores youd recommend checking out first?
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good to know as i was just looking into store inventory on rifles and ammo at sportsmans and bass pro to try to save some time. any non big box stores youd recommend checking out first?
Howzit,
Really like Ventura Munitions & Northwest Arms, couple other shops as well but those two are regular stops :shaka:
Boomah
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I’m planning on taking a trip to the mainland. Looking to buy some goodies.
Looking to pick up a pistol, rifle and maybe some ammo from Arizona.
My understanding is that pistols have to be transferred AZ FFL to HI FFL. When should I apply for my PTA? After I make the purchase or when it arrives in Hawaii?
Also when I pack ammo does it need to be in a separate piece of luggage from my clothes? Or can I pack it together?
It will be my first time purchasing from out of state so I’m not too sure what the process is.
Mahalo I’m advance 🤙🏽
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Also when I pack ammo does it need to be in a separate piece of luggage from my clothes? Or can I pack it together?
With the clothes is fine. I put it at the bottom of a rolling bag.
Make it accessible so easy for the counter to eyeball it at check-in. Do not want to unpack the damn bag at the counter. Fill out a tag with name and address.
Taken several toys to the mainland and it was smooth, other than American wanting you to pick up the ammo carrying back at baggage service. Southwest just had it on the carousel.
That said, coming back to this benighted state, I have no idea.
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but now that they're part of Bass Pro that maybe a no-go sadly.
Fairly sure last time I was in the Sportsmans in Tucson lat month, they had a sign about the Bass deal being off.
FWIW.
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I’m planning on taking a trip to the mainland. Looking to buy some goodies.
Looking to pick up a pistol, rifle and maybe some ammo from Arizona.
My understanding is that pistols have to be transferred AZ FFL to HI FFL. When should I apply for my PTA? After I make the purchase or when it arrives in Hawaii?
Also when I pack ammo does it need to be in a separate piece of luggage from my clothes? Or can I pack it together?
It will be my first time purchasing from out of state so I’m not too sure what the process is.
Mahalo I’m advance 🤙🏽
Read throughly, and print both TSA and airline policies and have them handy when checking in, or otherwise dealing with airline employees. You'll get various interpretations. I say be somewhat ready to go with it, but also good to know the stated policy.
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Read throughly, and print both TSA and airline policies and have them handy when checking in, or otherwise dealing with airline employees. You'll get various interpretations. I say be somewhat ready to go with it, but also good to know the stated policy.
^^^ Because pulling it up on your phone might be an issue. Either no internet or frustration trying to find the info. OG paper is the easiest.
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I’ve called a few shops in the Tucson area. I didn’t get a straight YES on my inquiries.
Some shops said I HAD to be a AZ Resident or a resident of a bordering state. Even though I have a CCW through AZ. Another said I can purchase but it just needs to be sent through FFL.
Anyone has had experience buying in AZ?
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My understanding is that pistols have to be transferred AZ FFL to HI FFL. When should I apply for my PTA? After I make the purchase or when it arrives in Hawaii?”
I have brought in several handguns from mainland over the years. No pta required, since they were acquired elsewhere. Just took them to local pd and registered within 5 days no problemo.
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I’ve called a few shops in the Tucson area. I didn’t get a straight YES on my inquiries.
Some shops said I HAD to be a AZ Resident or a resident of a bordering state. Even though I have a CCW through AZ. Another said I can purchase but it just needs to be sent through FFL.
Anyone has had experience buying in AZ?
-- Non-residents need to comply with several additional criteria:
• the firearm must be legally possessible in the buyer’s state of residence
• the transaction must be legal in the purchaser’s state of residence (that means you need a valid long gun or handgun PTA)
• Immediate possession of long guns is allowed if this is allowed in the state of residence (HI allows immediate possession when you present a valid long gun PTA)
• Purchased handguns will be shipped by the dealer in Arizona to a licensed dealer (FFL [Federal Firearms License]) in the state of residence.
https://www.azccw.com/purchasing-firearm-arizona/
These AZ procedures follow federal firearm laws.
When you refer to firearms as "toys" instead of providing specific types (handgun, long gun, etc.), it's difficult to provide you a straight YES or NO answer. The answers are contingent on the firearms you intend to shop for.
As for you having a non-resident AZ CCW, that doesn't offer any special benefits when purchasing. Either you're a resident of the state, or you're a non-resident. State and federal laws are based on your state of legal residence.
As for the "bordering states" answers you got, a lot of that depends on the store's policies. Some stores are more strict than the law requires, so they may ship your long gun purchases to a HI FFL just like they do handguns. All depends. That's why it's a good idea to call the shops before you travel and ask about their policies.
You should plan on taking your long gun PTA if that's what you want to buy. Most other state's FFLs know that HI requires a PTA. If you present a long gun permit, they can see that you've complied with that HI requirement. If you are able to buy the long gun and carry it back with you, the only thing left is to register it as an out of state gun you already own. If you try to register it as a new purchase, HPD will expect it to be transferred to you from a local FFL.
Handgun permits are always applied for after the items are in the hands of your HI FFL, since they are technically considered the transferor of the firearm. They must submit the proper paperwork to HPD, which can only happen after it's in their hands. So, even if you have the serial number and specs for the application, trying to get a jump on the waiting period by applying ahead of the gun arriving at the FFL isn't recommended.