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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: DonRow on January 22, 2012, 08:35:59 PM
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http://standwitharizona.com/blog/2012/01/22/texas-ranchers-using-ak47s-to-defend-against-cartel-invaders/ (http://standwitharizona.com/blog/2012/01/22/texas-ranchers-using-ak47s-to-defend-against-cartel-invaders/)respect!
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Be careful that "someone" doesn't tell you that you're not sensitive enough and that the poor cartels deserve to be treated better. :rofl:
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Oh and, nice story. This story is for AK and AR owners.
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Be careful that "someone" doesn't tell you that you're not sensitive enough and that the poor cartels deserve to be treated better. :rofl:
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Pfff I'm over it brah, I could care less about there opinions. Like I said "One man with One mans opinion" this is what I have to say about that.
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Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down with weapons sold to a straw purchaser in Operation Fast and Furious. Originally, two Fast and Furious weapons were said to have been found at the murder scene, but there has since been evidence that a third weapon, also tied to Fast and Furious, was found there too. However, it’s very existence still being covered up by the FBI. So we’ll just say “at least two” Fast and Furious weapons were found at the murder scene the night that Terry was killed.
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At approximately 10:30 on the morning of Saturday, March 27, 2010, Krentz sent a radio transmission to his brother, Phil, in which he reportedly stated, "I see an immigrant out here, and he appears to need help. Call the Border Patrol." This was his last known transmission; after hours of radio silence aroused suspicions, he was found in a remote section of the ranch. Both he and his dog had been shot and had died from their wounds. Krentz had not been robbed, and in fact his gun was still in his holster. After being shot, he had lived long enough to return to his ATV and attempt to escape, but had lost consciousness and died before reaching safety.
Footprints at the crime scene led to the Mexican border, illegal immigrants was responsible. Subsequent investigations by the Cochise County Sheriff's Department continued to focus on a Mexican suspect, but suggested that the killing was non-random, that the perpetrator may have been a illegal immigrant scout for a smuggling organization, and noted that the day before the murder, federal agents had arrested 8 smugglers and seized 250 pounds of marijuana on the Krentz ranch.
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sweeeeeeeeetttttt!!! mad respect!!! :worship:
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:popcorn:
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Be careful that "someone" doesn't tell you that you're not sensitive enough and that the poor cartels deserve to be treated better. :rofl:
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Ha!!
Hardly. That's what guns are for, ain't it?
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I always wondered why we don't have U.S. troops policing the border. I know the military isn't supposed to do LE for U.S. citizens... but protecting the border is ~exactly~ the kind of thing a standing army would do.
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The border patrol agents definitely need help.
I know first hand that drug runners have no respect for law enforcement or human life.
They'll gun you down with no provocation.
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I always wondered why we don't have U.S. troops policing the border. I know the military isn't supposed to do LE for U.S. citizens... but protecting the border is ~exactly~ the kind of thing a standing army would do.
See, I agree with you 100%.. But posse comitatus forbids it unless an act of congress says so. Like I said I agree wit you 100%.
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Be careful that "someone" doesn't tell you that you're not sensitive enough and that the poor cartels deserve to be treated better. :rofl:
:crazy:
Pfff I'm over it brah, I could care less about there opinions. Like I said "One man with One mans opinion" this is what I have to say about that.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/465f4c7b-0d87-6ecf.jpg)
Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down with weapons sold to a straw purchaser in Operation Fast and Furious. Originally, two Fast and Furious weapons were said to have been found at the murder scene, but there has since been evidence that a third weapon, also tied to Fast and Furious, was found there too. However, it’s very existence still being covered up by the FBI. So we’ll just say “at least two” Fast and Furious weapons were found at the murder scene the night that Terry was killed.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/465f4c7b-0e5e-4561.jpg)
At approximately 10:30 on the morning of Saturday, March 27, 2010, Krentz sent a radio transmission to his brother, Phil, in which he reportedly stated, "I see an immigrant out here, and he appears to need help. Call the Border Patrol." This was his last known transmission; after hours of radio silence aroused suspicions, he was found in a remote section of the ranch. Both he and his dog had been shot and had died from their wounds. Krentz had not been robbed, and in fact his gun was still in his holster. After being shot, he had lived long enough to return to his ATV and attempt to escape, but had lost consciousness and died before reaching safety.
Footprints at the crime scene led to the Mexican border, illegal immigrants was responsible. Subsequent investigations by the Cochise County Sheriff's Department continued to focus on a Mexican suspect, but suggested that the killing was non-random, that the perpetrator may have been a illegal immigrant scout for a smuggling organization, and noted that the day before the murder, federal agents had arrested 8 smugglers and seized 250 pounds of marijuana on the Krentz ranch.
http://www.odmp.org/officer/20596-border-patrol-agent-brian-a-terry (http://www.odmp.org/officer/20596-border-patrol-agent-brian-a-terry)
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I always wondered why we don't have U.S. troops policing the border. I know the military isn't supposed to do LE for U.S. citizens... but protecting the border is ~exactly~ the kind of thing a standing army would do.
See, I agree with you 100%.. But posse comitatus forbids it unless an act of congress says so. Like I said I agree wit you 100%.
I'm with both of you. I'd happily volunteer for an IA tour to Texas or Arizona. Defending the borders is pretty much the exact job description of the US military.
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There are armed us troops out there. The National guard assigned to the counter drug task force. Their primary role is intell and they report their location to boarder patrol who comes it and does the arrests. The national guard is not subject to the posse comitatus act.
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I've been a pretty vocal hater of the AK-47, but this guy made the right choice for a semi-auto rifle. Since I do all my shooting at the range, I don't care as much about the reliability advantage of the AK, and the accuracy tradeoff is something I wouldn't be able to put up with. But if I was a rancher in dusty south Texas, and I needed a rifle to ride with me in the truck, on the four wheeler, moving cattle, driving tractor, all day, every day, and still go bang rightf***ingnow when I need it, I'd go AK all the way.
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I have a friend that got hired by boarder patrol. He loves it. He said its just like hunting pig. Although, the pigs are smarter.
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Best quote from the article:
"He says there’s only way to react. “Fire all the rounds you have, reload, and do it again,” says the rancher."
Hell yeah!!!
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I've been a pretty vocal hater of the AK-47, but this guy made the right choice for a semi-auto rifle. Since I do all my shooting at the range, I don't care as much about the reliability advantage of the AK, and the accuracy tradeoff is something I wouldn't be able to put up with. But if I was a rancher in dusty south Texas, and I needed a rifle to ride with me in the truck, on the four wheeler, moving cattle, driving tractor, all day, every day, and still go bang rightf***ingnow when I need it, I'd go AK all the way.
I'd be willing to bet that without scopes, I can hit a 8" gong at 100 yards just as many times as any AR.
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I've been a pretty vocal hater of the AK-47, but this guy made the right choice for a semi-auto rifle. Since I do all my shooting at the range, I don't care as much about the reliability advantage of the AK, and the accuracy tradeoff is something I wouldn't be able to put up with. But if I was a rancher in dusty south Texas, and I needed a rifle to ride with me in the truck, on the four wheeler, moving cattle, driving tractor, all day, every day, and still go bang rightf***ingnow when I need it, I'd go AK all the way.
I'd be willing to bet that without scopes, I can hit a 8" gong at 100 yards just as many times as any AR.
True, but 8MOA, or even 2MOA is unacceptable for me if I'm shooting off a bench. Here in sunny HI, whatever rifle I choose will be lathered with loving care, stored in a low-humidity gun safe, and cleaned to spotless perfection after each relatively rare outing. But yes, if I was going to sling a rifle over my shoulder every day, I'd probably take the AK.
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Dumping more money into the drug war has never worked in the past, so why would it work now? Putting soldiers on the border just means we live in a police state.
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Dumping more money into the drug war has never worked in the past, so why would it work now? Putting soldiers on the border just means we live in a police state.
Securing the border has never even been attempted before, not in a manner that stands a chance of actually working. And securing the border does not make a police state. Many other things that we are doing contribute to a police state, but keeping illegal immigrants and drug mules out of the country isn't one of them.
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I've been a pretty vocal hater of the AK-47, but this guy made the right choice for a semi-auto rifle. Since I do all my shooting at the range, I don't care as much about the reliability advantage of the AK, and the accuracy tradeoff is something I wouldn't be able to put up with. But if I was a rancher in dusty south Texas, and I needed a rifle to ride with me in the truck, on the four wheeler, moving cattle, driving tractor, all day, every day, and still go bang rightf***ingnow when I need it, I'd go AK all the way.
I'd be willing to bet that without scopes, I can hit a 8" gong at 100 yards just as many times as any AR.
I used to tear up those steel targets at 200 to the left of the deer with my AK and irons,
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I've been a pretty vocal hater of the AK-47, but this guy made the right choice for a semi-auto rifle. Since I do all my shooting at the range, I don't care as much about the reliability advantage of the AK, and the accuracy tradeoff is something I wouldn't be able to put up with. But if I was a rancher in dusty south Texas, and I needed a rifle to ride with me in the truck, on the four wheeler, moving cattle, driving tractor, all day, every day, and still go bang rightf***ingnow when I need it, I'd go AK all the way.
I'd be willing to bet that without scopes, I can hit a 8" gong at 100 yards just as many times as any AR.
I used to tear up those steel targets at 200 to the left of the deer with my AK and irons,
I do too.
I can hit that 200 or 250 or whatever it is square gong all day with no scope and my AK's.
Not everyone who shoots an AR can.
Now I know that ole coug can shoot though.
Montana has that effect on men. :thumbsup:
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I've been a pretty vocal hater of the AK-47, but this guy made the right choice for a semi-auto rifle. Since I do all my shooting at the range, I don't care as much about the reliability advantage of the AK, and the accuracy tradeoff is something I wouldn't be able to put up with. But if I was a rancher in dusty south Texas, and I needed a rifle to ride with me in the truck, on the four wheeler, moving cattle, driving tractor, all day, every day, and still go bang rightf***ingnow when I need it, I'd go AK all the way.
I'd be willing to bet that without scopes, I can hit a 8" gong at 100 yards just as many times as any AR.
I used to tear up those steel targets at 200 to the left of the deer with my AK and irons,
I do too.
I can hit that 200 or 250 or whatever it is square gong all day with no scope and my AK's.
Not everyone who shoots an AR can.
Now I know that ole coug can shoot though.
Montana has that effect on men. :thumbsup:
:rofl: Well, there dang sure isn't much else to do! :D
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Most guns are far more accurate (with consistent ammo) than the people who shoot them.
At one point my brother and I were out shooting with his somewhat cocky son-in-law. A good guy but at the time I was always kinda looking for little ways to deflate his ego. (He's grown out of it since.) Brother had a Taurus Beretta M9 copy that was loose, sloppy and had a squishy trigger. Brother and I agree that it is not the easiest pistol to shoot. Son-In-Law shoots a sloppy 8" pattern at 10 yards and says "Ah, well. This gun really isn't all that accurate."
While I agree its not the best gun in the family... I wasn't going to let the opportunity pass.
I calmly took the pistol from him, loaded up a magazine and proceeded to carefully squeeze off a 2" group and handed the pistol back to him. Mind you, I ~really~ had to concentrate on that trigger pull... but I didn't tell Son-In-Law that. He looked at me, at the gun, then at the target and said "Huhn."
Like most things that require skill, it takes a great degree of skill to make use of the refinements high quality equipment has to offer. If you are approaching that degree of skill you can shoot well with anything. To paraphrase a famous saying from the music recording business: "If you know how to shoot it doesn't matter which gun you use. If you don't know how to shoot it doesn't matter which gun you use."
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I've been a pretty vocal hater of the AK-47, but this guy made the right choice for a semi-auto rifle. Since I do all my shooting at the range, I don't care as much about the reliability advantage of the AK, and the accuracy tradeoff is something I wouldn't be able to put up with. But if I was a rancher in dusty south Texas, and I needed a rifle to ride with me in the truck, on the four wheeler, moving cattle, driving tractor, all day, every day, and still go bang rightf***ingnow when I need it, I'd go AK all the way.
I'd be willing to bet that without scopes, I can hit a 8" gong at 100 yards just as many times as any AR.
I used to tear up those steel targets at 200 to the left of the deer with my AK and irons,
I do too.
I can hit that 200 or 250 or whatever it is square gong all day with no scope and my AK's.
Not everyone who shoots an AR can.
Now I know that ole coug can shoot though.
Montana has that effect on men. :thumbsup:
:rofl: Well, there dang sure isn't much else to do! :D
Aught to, when you live on miles of rolling grass hills without a tree in sight, the only things worth shooting are hundreds of yards away. ;D
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Most guns are far more accurate (with consistent ammo) than the people who shoot them.
At one point my brother and I were out shooting with his somewhat cocky son-in-law. A good guy but at the time I was always kinda looking for little ways to deflate his ego. (He's grown out of it since.) Brother had a Taurus Beretta M9 copy that was loose, sloppy and had a squishy trigger. Brother and I agree that it is not the easiest pistol to shoot. Son-In-Law shoots a sloppy 8" pattern at 10 yards and says "Ah, well. This gun really isn't all that accurate."
While I agree its not the best gun in the family... I wasn't going to let the opportunity pass.
I calmly took the pistol from him, loaded up a magazine and proceeded to carefully squeeze off a 2" group and handed the pistol back to him. Mind you, I ~really~ had to concentrate on that trigger pull... but I didn't tell Son-In-Law that. He looked at me, at the gun, then at the target and said "Huhn."
Like most things that require skill, it takes a great degree of skill to make use of the refinements high quality equipment has to offer. If you are approaching that degree of skill you can shoot well with anything. To paraphrase a famous saying from the music recording business: "If you know how to shoot it doesn't matter which gun you use. If you don't know how to shoot it doesn't matter which gun you use."
what does this have to do with AKs?
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Voodoo - did ya notice the implied comparison of AR and AK accuracy?
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I think our local AK faithful are getting a bit high on their own supply. This thread is the first thread I think I've ever seen where a large number of people all insisted that an AK will shoot as well as an AR, at 100 yards. Come on, fellas, where's all the "combat accurate" guys? Where're the minute-of-pie-plates and the minute-of-bad-guys?
Haha, give you guys an inch (by admitting that the AK is better for that farmer's application), and you try to take a mile! :grrr: Not on MY watch! :rofl:
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I like the AK for simplicity but I'm an AR guy myself.
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I think our local AK faithful are getting a bit high on their own supply. This thread is the first thread I think I've ever seen where a large number of people all insisted that an AK will shoot as well as an AR, at 100 yards. Come on, fellas, where's all the "combat accurate" guys? Where're the minute-of-pie-plates and the minute-of-bad-guys?
Haha, give you guys an inch (by admitting that the AK is better for that farmer's application), and you try to take a mile! :grrr: Not on MY watch! :rofl:
Pie plate challenge !!!
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a $500 ak will always outshoot a $500 ar......... because they dont exist