2aHawaii
General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: zippz on March 02, 2017, 02:13:06 PM
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I have a fun match from ar15.com for Hawaii to participate in. Shoot rifles at 100 yards unsupported (sitting, kneeling, standing, etc) with 15 shots in 3 minutes on the attached target. Post the results here per the format below. Posting on ar15.com is encouraged but not required. YOU MUST FOLLOW ALL OF THE RULES AND POSTING REQUIREMENTS! Each division winner will receive a rifle bottle opener. One randomly selected participant will receive a 20mm vulcan cannon bottle opener and 3 pack of Mountain House freeze dried food. Must live in Hawaii to get a prize. https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=26815.msg236943#msg236943 Contest ends on May 31, 2017 for 2ahawaii.
Notes:
Per EVR, no sling support allowed but jacket and gloves are okay.
No sitting on chairs or benches to shoot unless required by the range or due to disability. (I don't think any range in Hawaii requires it).
This is based on precision, not accuracy. So we are only measuring group size
The target backer must be free of other holes (other than the 15 shots :D )
No limit on number of attempts.
Current thread:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1950750_Real-Shooters-WANTED---ALL-RIFLES-CALIBERS-ALLOWED--.html
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Originally Posted By EVR:
RULES;
1} EFFECTIVE 05/01/15 ANY AND ALL RIFLES OF ANY CALIBER ALLOWED:
2} Standard “ARFCOM” target should be used so we are all equals in that regard. I know it sucks as a target, but the reason we all need to use it is that it will form a standardized target so all are handicapped by the same restrictions. Look at the one posted here. 6-inch diameter. They are easy to make or click below;
Rule Modification: Target; You should use the Arfcom Target but may use a more-or-less 6-inch round bull if you cannot get the Arfcom Target to print. Use 8 1/2x11 sheet of paper and a clean backer for scoring. Note scoring rules.
"Official Target":
https://app.box.com/s/sj3zq0s2qeviackhra8s
"Alternate Approved Target":
http://ar15hunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/AFRCOM-AR-NON-MOA-CHALLENGE-BULL-TARGET-1.pdf
3} It is recognized that not all ranges allow unsupported shooting. There is really no way around this so fellows will just have to find a legal, safe spot to get their 15 Shots in. Look, make sure it is 100 yards. It does seem to matter. NO SHOOTING AT LESS THAN 100 YARDS! Use a range finder or otherwise do your level best to keep the 100 an actual 100. This is the Honor System remember, so make sure there is some Honor in it!
4} SHOOTING RULES; 100 YARDS, 15 SHOTS WITHIN 3 MINUTES.
Standing/Sitting/Kneeling/Squatting all OK. NO USE OF ANY SUPPORT!
ALL SHOOTING MUST BE UN-supported AND NO prone.
NO bags. NO sling. NO sticks. NO bipods. NO benches. NO supports of any kind. UPDATE; If the range won't let you sit on the ground or stand, go ahead and shoot sitting in the chair, just no resting the rifle or your arms on anything except your own body. Now...since some might throw shots off a 8.5x11 sheet, the 8.5x11 ARFCOM Target may be taped/stapled on top of a target backer. BUT the target backer MUST be clear of other shots {except the 15 fired for score}. Cardboard, construction paper, reversed tan-backed targets, white paper, etc may be used as target backers EXCEPT, again, the backer must be clean of all shots before shooting the 15 for score. TARGETS WILL BE DISQUALIFIED IF HOLES OTHER THAN THE FIFTEEN ARE VISIBLE. USE A CLEAN TARGET, ETC AS A BACKER.
Regarding Shooting Positions;
Kneeling can be done with one elbow on knee, squatting elbows on knees are OK. The old cross-legged position, elbows on knees, OK, too. No non-body part under the elbows, AKA NO PRONE, tho, and no resting on bench, or wall, etc.
5} 15-shot group score to be measured as follows. It must be fired within 3 minutes total. Extreme spread to be calculated measuring outside edge of the farthest shots, outside edge of greasehole to outside edge of greasehole. Then subtract diameter of the bullet. Total in inches calculated. You may use a slide rule, ruler, dial caliper or…..yardstick or 20-foot tape measure capable of decimal or fractions to the 16th of an inch but DO NOT POST FRACTIONS!! Convert all ruler measurements to decimal or they will not be posted. Then convert to MOA. MOA = {100 yard Group size divided by 1.047}.
6} PICTURES: You must post:
1 picture of the fired target uncluttered by anything else,
1 picture of the target with ruler, etc measuring the extreme spread of the group itself,
1 picture of the rifle.
3 pictures in all MUST be posted.
You MAY also include a pic of the shooting position taken either while shooting or posed so we can see what position is being used. That would be helpful and guys will want to see this. Do it if you can.
7} Results must be entered in the following format for posting {so I can copy/paste}. If not in that format your results will not be posted.
USER NAME – Make Model Caliber Rifle – Barrel Length INCLUDING Muzzle Devices - Sights Make and Type -List of Important Mods – Ammunition {factory load/handloads} - Shooting Position Used – Group Size Decimal Inches = MOA {100 yard Group size divided by 1.047}
8} Now, here are the Rifle Divisions;
BARREL LENGTHS INCLUDE BRAKES,SUPPRESSORS, FLASH HIDERS as they all add forward weight.
A} Iron-sighted Carbine Division {bbls under 18" INCLUDING BRAKES, SUPPRESSORS, FLASH HIDERS}
B} Iron-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18” and over}
C} Optical-Sighted Carbine Division {bbls under 18 inches}
D} Optical-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18 inches and over}
EDIT; BARREL LENGTH; MEASURE YOUR BARREL USING THE FOLLOWING METHOD; POST THAT WITH THE DATA ABOVE; Use the “BATFE Method”; Unload rifle, insert cleaning rod from muzzle to breech face, mark at the muzzle, w/draw and measure from end to mark. For our purposes, "Barrel Length" INCLUDES, REPEAT, INCLUDES MUZZLE DEVICES!
Remember, BARREL LENGTHS INCLUDE BRAKES,SUPPRESSORS, FLASH HIDERS as they all add forward weight.
GET OUT THERE AND HAVE SOME FUN AND SHOOT!!
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Hawaii Scores
A} Iron-sighted Carbine Division {bbls under 18" INCLUDING BRAKES, SUPPRESSORS, FLASH HIDERS} AKA "Without Glass On It" Carbine Division
1. ZippZ – Bushmaster(mixed) AR15 5.56 – 17.75in - BUIS ARMS 40L - mostly milspec – Factory CBC M193 55gr - Kneeling – 7.937in = 7.581MOA
B} Iron-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18” and over} AKA "Without Glass On It" Rifle Division
1. ZippZ – FN AR15 A4 5.56 – 21.5in - Carry handle sights - all milspec – Factory CBC M193 55gr - Standing – 11.625in = 11.103MOA
C} Optical-Sighted Carbine Division {bbls under 18 inches} AKA "With Glass On It" Carbine Division
D} Optical-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18 inches and over} AKA "With Glass On It" Rifle Division
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No shooting rest?
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Excellent. Would love to play if I can find the time.
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No shooting rest?
No benches, bipods, bags, etc. You can however rest your arms on your legs in the sitting/kneeling position.
Good time for everyone to try something different.
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I took off the requirement to post your results on AR15.com, its recommended but optional.
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This sounds fun. Now to find the time
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Looking at the rules of the game.....
You can shoot 15 shots all sitting?
Because it does not say 5 standing, 5 kneeling, 5 sitting.
It just says 15 unsupported.
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This sounds fun. Now to find the time
That's where I am at right now.
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Looking at the rules of the game.....
You can shoot 15 shots all sitting?
Because it does not say 5 standing, 5 kneeling, 5 sitting.
It just says 15 unsupported.
You can do all sitting, or alternative positions. No prone though. This entry was a bit unusual.
(http://i1186.photobucket.com/albums/z362/0471861731/2015/20150503%20Range%20Non-MOA/_DSC0040Az_zpsatimcuvk.jpg)
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My ex GF liked that position...
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My ex GF liked that position...
Braggart!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I only wish I could bend my back like that any more...
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My ex GF liked that position...
Yeah, we know! :thumbsup:
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Some other authorized positions. You get bragging rights if you do some of these.
https://www.youtube.com/user/KirstenJoyWeiss
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I have a rifle clinic to go over unsupported rifle positions on March 12th.
https://www.meetup.com/HawaiiGGG/events/238159152/
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Yoga pants required?
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I'm headed over to Koko Head to shoot this with my 16" milspec AR15 with BUIS. I'm putting in 1 entry in each of the 4 classes over the next three months.
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Here's my score, the baseline for Division A. I should've taken off the aimpoint, but I just sighted my BUIS through it. Excuses: I really have to go on a diet so I can do the sitting position. One flyer off the paper.
Division A
ZippZ – Bushmaster(mixed) AR15 5.56 – 17.75in - BUIS ARMS 40L - mostly milspec – Factory CBC M193 55gr - Kneeling – 7.937in = 7.581MOA
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh504/Todd_Yukutake/Internet%20Shared/20170305_161009_zpsh7chpu5j.jpg)
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh504/Todd_Yukutake/Internet%20Shared/20170305_161047_zpsalr3fo8b.jpg)
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My scores for Division B. A bit shaky on a few shots and I put one into the frame.
Division B
ZippZ – FN AR15 A4 5.56 – 21.5in - Carry handle sights - all milspec – Factory CBC M193 55gr - Standing – 11.625in = 11.103MOA
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh504/Todd_Yukutake/Internet%20Shared/20170310_155913_zpspgfypv7q.jpg)
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh504/Todd_Yukutake/Internet%20Shared/20170310_160117_zpsjvszpgxt.jpg)
(http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh504/Todd_Yukutake/Internet%20Shared/20170310_150653_zpscvcejjha.jpg)
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I have determined the prizes which will be:
Each division winner will receive a rifle bottle opener (various models)
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One 20mm vulcan cannon bottle opener and a variety pack of 3 Mountain House freeze dried foods will be awarded randomly out of all entries (Hawaii residents).
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All rules and posting requirements must be followed.
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Bottle openers came in today (late for the gun show). Division winners can select from a M16, M4, AK47, Scoped rifle, lever action, and shotgun.
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I was hoping for a rail attachment.
https://www.amazon.com/Ultimate-Arms-Gear-Picatinny-Ambidextrous/dp/B00K8F3M7A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491266872&sr=8-1&keywords=picatinny+rail+bottle+opener
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AK's already have them built in, no?
https://www.facebook.com/kikyuS.House/videos/306095356458814/
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I am not entering into this. I was waxing nostalgic last weekend. I traded some 30-30 herds for 500 rounds of Remington HV .22 ammo in yellow 100 round boxes from 1971. The ammo is in as new condition. I shot them through my Anschutz I bought new in 1970 when I was 12 years old. I pulled out this target and shot standing.
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I am not entering into this. I was waxing nostalgic last weekend. I traded some 30-30 herds for 500 rounds of Remington HV .22 ammo in yellow 100 round boxes from 1971. The ammo is in as new condition. I shot them through my Anschutz I bought new in 1970 when I was 12 years old. I pulled out this target and shot standing.
Wow 45 year old 22lr ammo. Any duds?
Good shooting, a lot better than mine.
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Wow 45 year old 22lr ammo. Any duds?
Good shooting, a lot better than mine.
I had one round that needed to be struck twice before going off. That occurs even with new ammo occasionally. No duds.
A lot easier to shoot a target .22 with a scope that I have been shooting for 47 years over an AR style rifle. I am kinda used to it.
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I picked up a 5.56 case marked 72 the other week. It looked old so wondered if it was from 1972.
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I picked up a 5.56 case marked 72 the other week. It looked old so wondered if it was from 1972.
Some of us are more challenged than others, it seems. :crazy: