2aHawaii
General Topics => Off Topic => Topic started by: hvybarrels on January 26, 2012, 10:10:50 AM
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57366443-281/hawaii-may-keep-track-of-all-web-sites-visited/?tag=TOCmoreStories.0 (http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57366443-281/hawaii-may-keep-track-of-all-web-sites-visited/?tag=TOCmoreStories.0)
from cnet.com
the assault on freedom of speech continues.
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WTF!
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Can you say "Invasion of privacy boys and girls"?
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Here's a link to the bill talked about in the article: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2012/Bills/HB2288_.pdf (http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2012/Bills/HB2288_.pdf)
First off, why would ISPs have to keep records for two years? Anything that the state would want, I can't believe would be needed that far off.
Secondly, this bill obviously wasn't written by someone with any knowledge of IP. Since the bill only requires a domain name, ip address, or host name (really?), you can't determine all that much from that information.
Lastly, this bill sucks. My feelings are spelled out by the article.
It's not really an invasion of privacy as ISPs already have this information, but it is a stupid bill.
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Just saw this and was coming over to post it.
Another clear sign that a legislative body is quite likely to have no clue how to fight cyber crime.
ISP's already pretty much keep such logs, minus name and address links. The servers do it automatically. If law enforcement wants to know what sites a specific person has been visiting they can subpoena that customer's records and the ISP will find all the hits for that account and provide the list. ISP's most certainly keep subscriber names and addresses for a length of time, as well.
So what would this law actually accomplish? The only changes it would actually incur is that the server log files would be kept for a minimum of 2 years rather than some more reasonable figure like 3 or 6 months that the ISP's need for potential troubleshooting and security concerns. And that the IP addresses visited might need to be converted to URL's with human readable domain names.
But if the law is poorly written and such requirements are passed on to hotspots and other near end user providers... its stupid. Lava Java shouldn't have to be bothered with IP logging with the name and address of each customer that wants to check facebook while drinking a cuppa Kona.
And - why the fuck does the state care? Web site hits isn't how cyber crime is done. Hacking goes through back doors, proxies and shell access to the targeted servers. Its not like one logs into Hackers-R-Us.com to initiate a super secret illegal online caper. Its is just an invasion of privacy that will accomplish nothing except increased and more complex ISP logging.
Idiots.
edit- what 2a said. But since I already typed this all out while he was posting I'll hit "post" anyway.
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Per Advertiser, this has been tabled.
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Legislature_tables_bill_to_keep_track_of_.html?id=138156144 (http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Legislature_tables_bill_to_keep_track_of_.html?id=138156144)
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The bill doesn't look like it will fight cyber-crime, but rest assured your two years of visiting pro gun websites like 2aHawaii will be quite the rage if your ever dragged downtown.
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I think the government wants to know where to get the best porn!!! I for one can show them with out having to go such lengths. :shake:
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I think the government wants to know where to get the best porn!!! I for one can show them with out having to go such lengths. :shake:
You might not be far from the truth! :wacko:
Check out PCFIPA HR 1982
http://signon.org/sign/stop-ptfipa-hr-1981
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Gun sites and porn, Gun sites and porn. Thats all they will get out of me.
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Funny you mention porn, I read an article once claiming that Hawaii was the number 2 state for porn demand. Utah was number 1.
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Gun sites and porn, Gun sites and porn. Thats all they will get out of me.
Hahaha, :thumbsup:
they'll get gun sites, eBay and optics planet from me.
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Cabelas, SportsmansGuide, MidwayUSA and Brownell's too.
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collapsenet, maxkeiser, cluborlov, dutchsinse, automaticearth, oilfreefun, hawaiiinewsdaily
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I'm just gonna say it now, this probably affects me more than you guys. I check out tons of tin foil sites and videos because if I'm gonna get brainwashed it's not going to be by fake elections or insipid reality television. All they are going to do is tempt guys like me who just want a little privacy to crack open Tor and head on over to the dark side of the web. I've managed to keep a clean record all these years and have no intention of messing it up, but the more people who are forced over to the alternet the more opportunities arise for the kind of chaos that bills like this are foolishly attempting to control.
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Whew! I'm neither a resident nor visitor. Whew!
Therefore, I don't have to speak out in defense of your freedoms and privacy. Whew!
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.
--Martin Niemöller
Terry, 230RN