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Title: Round Counts
Post by: 1911Kid on April 19, 2017, 10:04:28 PM
How many rounds do you shoot a year? Which gun(s) of yours have the most rounds through it (pics encouraged).
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: dustoff003 on April 20, 2017, 01:29:34 AM
I don't count.


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Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Inspector on April 20, 2017, 06:17:17 AM
How many rounds do you shoot a year? Which gun(s) of yours have the most rounds through it (pics encouraged).
Too many to keep track of. I rotate through all of my guns so they get equal attention with similar round counts. But I probably shoot my .22's more than the rest.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: mikenkapolei on April 20, 2017, 06:50:22 AM
I don't keep track but between pistol, rifle, and trap, about  10,000 rounds.


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Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: drck1000 on April 20, 2017, 09:31:07 AM
Lately, I would say maybe 1000 5.56/.223 and around 2000 9 mm per year.  Used to be more when I was going to the range more often and taking classes. 

I spread it around.  Gun I shoot the most is probably my Glock 34 in competition, but I have two others that I'm planning on shooting instead of the 34. 
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Inspector on April 20, 2017, 09:47:25 AM
Lately, I would say maybe 1000 5.56/.223 and around 2000 9 mm per year.  Used to be more when I was going to the range more often and taking classes. 

I spread it around.  Gun I shoot the most is probably my Glock 34 in competition, but I have two others that I'm planning on shooting instead of the 34.
WOW! I would have thought you shot more than that. My round count is solidly over 10k per year. That is spread out over multiple calibers. I think I reload for 14 or 15 different cartridges.

Last year my round count was most certainly much less than 10k due to my missing several months due to health issues.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: drck1000 on April 20, 2017, 09:50:53 AM
WOW! I would have thought you shot more than that. My round count is solidly over 10k per year. That is spread out over multiple calibers. I think I reload for 14 or 15 different cartridges.

Last year my round count was most certainly much less than 10k due to my missing several months due to health issues.
I haven't been shooting much in the past 5-6 months due to health issues in the family.  Otherwise, the counts would be at least double that.  A multiday course could easily go through 600-1000 rounds of 5.56 and 9 in itself, but haven't done that in a while.  Hoping to get back to shooting more often.  One "good" thing about not shooting that much recently is that my ammo stores have been growing.   ;D

I used to hit the range around 2-4 times a month before.  I'm trying to get back to once a month. 
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Inspector on April 20, 2017, 09:57:40 AM
I haven't been shooting much in the past 5-6 months due to health issues in the family.  Otherwise, the counts would be at least double that.  A multiday course could easily go through 600-1000 rounds of 5.56 and 9 in itself, but haven't done that in a while.  Hoping to get back to shooting more often.  One "good" thing about not shooting that much recently is that my ammo stores have been growing.   ;D

I used to hit the range around 2-4 times a month before.  I'm trying to get back to once a month.
I'm usually a once a week shooter. And when a holiday comes up and the range is open I usually shoot on those days as well.

My ammo stores are limited by:

a) The number of ammo boxes I own
b) The number of brass cartridge cases I own
c) The amount of room in my house
d) The amount of money in my wallet
e) How lazy I have been about keeping up on my reloading  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: macsak on April 20, 2017, 10:03:26 AM
How many rounds do you shoot a year? Which gun(s) of yours have the most rounds through it (pics encouraged).

i don't own any firearms, or ammo, or reloading supplies...
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Hanabata on April 20, 2017, 12:15:11 PM
After White Shark Arms closed, Big Island no longer has a shooting range, so my count went to zero.  I sure hope we get some kind of shooting range someday. 
In the meantime, I'm back to shooting my airguns lol.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 20, 2017, 12:21:33 PM
i don't own any firearms, or ammo, or reloading supplies...

And I've never seen you shoot...just standing around watching. =P
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Rocky on April 20, 2017, 02:55:15 PM
None, just like Mac
I just dry fire with fingers and practice with SIRT  :D
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: oldfart on April 20, 2017, 03:21:53 PM
Maybe 1000 per year. 45 acp. Colt gvt.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: rklapp on April 20, 2017, 05:04:16 PM
None, just like Mac
I just dry fire with fingers and practice with SIRT  :D
Do you plan on publishing a story about dry finger firing?  :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Rocky on April 20, 2017, 06:18:21 PM
Do you plan on publishing a story about dry finger firing?  :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:

Been done already
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: dustoff003 on April 20, 2017, 07:27:18 PM
I often wonder why one of the first questions asked to the seller of a used firearm is what is the round count? Is there some magical number of rounds fired to where a firearm looses its value?


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Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Heavies on April 20, 2017, 07:31:43 PM
I often wonder why one of the first questions asked to the seller of a used firearm is what is the round count? Is there some magical number of rounds fired to where a firearm looses its value?


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Only after firing one round from a Hi-point...
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Aloha808 on April 20, 2017, 08:52:48 PM
I often wonder why one of the first questions asked to the seller of a used firearm is what is the round count? Is there some magical number of rounds fired to where a firearm looses its value?


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The same reason why people want to know how much miles are on a used car before they buy.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: 1911Kid on April 21, 2017, 01:35:32 AM
People are asking why you would want to know how many rounds have been put through a used gun. Presumably you'd want to know for the same reason you'd want to know how many miles are on a used car. That is to say a round count would give you some sort of information about worth, and/or remaining life regarding the firearm. This makes little sense to me. Firstly, there is no law saying you need to keep track of how many rounds have been put through your gun unlike miles on your car (odometer laws). Secondly, and unlike cars, the useful life of firearms are rarely, rarely reached. Per Hilton Yam you can expect to retire a 1911 after 70,000 rounds or so. After 80,000 rounds through my first 1911 I would tend to agree with this (if you are shooting full power loads. If you are shooting reloads expect 100,000+ before cracks in the frame *might* develop [http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/Reliability%2C-Round-Counts%2C-and-Longevity-in-1911s.html]). My point being most guns will never, truly, be "used" guns. Even polymer guns can endure thousands upon thousands of rounds before needing severe attention.

As such, "used" guns are sometimes great deals.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Inspector on April 21, 2017, 04:27:12 AM
I often wonder why one of the first questions asked to the seller of a used firearm is what is the round count? Is there some magical number of rounds fired to where a firearm looses its value?


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I get why people ask the question. What I can't understand is why I have asked this in the past? I am guilty of doing this. There is a reason why the law forces auto manufacturers to install an odometer on a car. People lie and people don't have great memories. In the long run, I doubt any one here can tell if a gun has had 50 rounds or 500 or 5,000? What difference does it make if the seller lies and says 50 when it has 500 or 5,000 through it?

Perhaps I did it because I was not confident enough in my abilities to appraise the condition of a used gun in the past? I know over the years I have stopped asking and started paying more attention to the signs of wear and tear. JMHO
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: oldfart on April 21, 2017, 05:42:58 AM
People are asking why you would want to know how many rounds have been put through a used gun. Presumably you'd want to know for the same reason you'd want to know how many miles are on a used car. That is to say a round count would give you some sort of information about worth, and/or remaining life regarding the firearm. This makes little sense to me. Firstly, there is no law saying you need to keep track of how many rounds have been put through your gun unlike miles on your car (odometer laws). Secondly, and unlike cars, the useful life of firearms are rarely, rarely reached. Per Hilton Yam you can expect to retire a 1911 after 70,000 rounds or so. After 80,000 rounds through my first 1911 I would tend to agree with this (if you are shooting full power loads. If you are shooting reloads expect 100,000+ before cracks in the frame *might* develop [http://www.10-8performance.com/pages/Reliability%2C-Round-Counts%2C-and-Longevity-in-1911s.html]). My point being most guns will never, truly, be "used" guns. Even polymer guns can endure thousands upon thousands of rounds before needing severe attention.

As such, "used" guns are sometimes great deals.
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You cracked a 1911 frame? If so, what kind?
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: drck1000 on April 21, 2017, 07:29:59 AM
I track round counts very much like a car. However, primarily as indicators for when things need to be maintained, particularly changing springs. Like action springs in pistols, check wear on other parts, etc.

I don't shoot nearly at much as I used to, but it wasn't unusual for me to go through over 5000 rounds in a given gun in a year. Barrel life is a consideration for long guns, but I haven't gotten there yet. Some here shoot enough to shoot out a barrel, but I would think that the average enthusiast wouldn't have to worry about that for many years. Even decades.


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Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 21, 2017, 09:34:34 AM
I shot at a NC range which rented handguns.  One was a Kimber 1911 .45 ACP with over 1 million rounds fired through it.  The only replacement parts were a couple of springs and a firing pin. 

Kimber wanted to buy the gun for their museum, but the shop didn't want to let go of it.

Sometimes, you get what you pay for!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 21, 2017, 11:29:28 AM
Only after firing one round from a Hi-point...

If it fires that 1st round...
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 21, 2017, 02:27:02 PM
Only after firing one round from a Hi-point...

That's like lighting a match to make sure it's good.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 22, 2017, 07:38:52 PM
I would say I shoot at least 200-300 rounds a year in various guns.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: 1911Kid on April 22, 2017, 10:08:19 PM
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You cracked a 1911 frame? If so, what kind?

I cracked a Springfield Armory frame after circa 80,000 rounds. And I highly, highly doubt a 1911 made one million rounds with just spring replacement. You name it, I've broken it when it comes to 1911's. That is not to say the 1911 is fragile, or unreliable, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, I think the 1911 is one of the most reliable and durable guns out there. But "one million rounds" is hanger talk. Even the wonder polymers don't claim much more than a few hundred thousand rounds. "Consumable" parts such as extractors and ejectors are exactly that: life limited in a 1911. Even barrel lugs in a 1911 need some TLC. Barrel lugs will get burs that need stoning after awhile. My point being: you can't shoot 1,000,000 rounds through a 1911 with just "replacing springs." In fact, you can't shoot 1,000,000 rounds through ANY gun with "just replacing springs." ... or a lonely firing pin.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: oldfart on April 23, 2017, 07:05:04 AM
I cracked a Springfield Armory frame after circa 80,000 rounds. And I highly, highly doubt a 1911 made one million rounds with just spring replacement. You name it, I've broken it when it comes to 1911's. That is not to say the 1911 is fragile, or unreliable, nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, I think the 1911 is one of the most reliable and durable guns out there. But "one million rounds" is hanger talk. Even the wonder polymers don't claim much more than a few hundred thousand rounds. "Consumable" parts such as extractors and ejectors are exactly that: life limited in a 1911. Even barrel lugs in a 1911 need some TLC. Barrel lugs will get burs that need stoning after awhile. My point being: you can't shoot 1,000,000 rounds through a 1911 with just "replacing springs." In fact, you can't shoot 1,000,000 rounds through ANY gun with "just replacing springs." ... or a lonely firing pin.
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So what became of that pistol with the cracked frame?

I cracked my colt govt after approximately 30k ipsc major loads. The crack is not in a critical area so it still works fine.
I broke the original extractor a couple years ago.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: 1911Kid on April 23, 2017, 09:37:58 AM
I retired it and made my secondary 1911 as my primary.
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: drck1000 on April 23, 2017, 07:24:50 PM
A 1911 shot 1 MILLION rounds?!?! Just the cost of ammo alone is a pretty decent house! Yeah, I get it was as a range, but still...


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Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 23, 2017, 10:26:01 PM
A 1911 shot 1 MILLION rounds?!?! Just the cost of ammo alone is a pretty decent house! Yeah, I get it was as a range, but still...


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If you saw it, it was easy to tell it was over 25 years old.  It's well broken-in!

Ammo was really cheap long ago, before the anti-gun activists created so many hoarders...
Title: Re: Round Counts
Post by: drck1000 on April 24, 2017, 10:41:04 AM
If you saw it, it was easy to tell it was over 25 years old.  It's well broken-in!

Ammo was really cheap long ago, before the anti-gun activists created so many hoarders...
I can't even imagine shooting 1 million rounds of 22 in a single gun, let alone a .45 ACP 1911.  I mean, I'd surely have fun trying...

There is (or was since I haven't been in a while) a guy who would be at the silhouette side all day!  Tons of different 22 handguns and rifles and he seemed to be having a great time!  He probably would go through maybe a box or two of 500 rounds.  I thought that was awesome.  Then I got a 22 handgun and my buddy a 22 rifle.  They are both really fun, but after a while, loading up the mags gets me "meh" and over it after about 200 rounds.  Haha.  I mean it's still fun and all, but loading 22 isn't fun for me.