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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on April 21, 2017, 10:59:34 PM
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Traveling soon with pistol. Anyone have any experiences with either TSA or airlines denying their pistol case and hard sided suit case?
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I've never had any problems but I only fly with Hawaiian Airlines so don't know about the other carriers. I use a small pelican case with non TSA padlocks and put in my suitcase with my clothes. There was another thread on here with lots of information so try searching for that.
As far as TSA, I've never had to interact with them regarding my firearms.
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I never had a problem with Hawaiian, the only airline I have flown for the past 5 years. I use a attaché size Pelican hard case on trips to the mainland to carry the gun, 5 magazines, cc holster, electronic muffs and 100 rounds of HP ammo.but on this trip to Oahu, I used the small case the .22 conversation kit for my Glock came in, since I only brought the gun with no ammo. Taking it to RookWorx today to get grip mods, mag cut outs and Cerakoted. The handgun case needs to be locked with non TSA locks inside of a hard side suitcase. I use a Samsonite that does not have a zipper closure. The case the Glock comes with does not have any provision to lock it, shortsightedness on their part. That is why I used the Tactical Solutions case instead.
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Not personal experience, but I've seen and heard of instances where the case wasn't that sturdy and locks in right place where you could sort of pry the case open enough to sort of peek inside the case. Mostly with rifle cases though if I recall correctly.
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I never had a problem with Hawaiian, the only airline I have flown for the past 5 years. I use a attaché size Pelican hard case on trips to the mainland to carry the gun, 5 magazines, cc holster, electronic muffs and 100 rounds of HP ammo.but on this trip to Oahu, I used the small case the .22 conversation kit for my Glock came in, since I only brought the gun with no ammo. Taking it to RookWorx today to get grip mods, mag cut outs and Cerakoted. The handgun case needs to be locked with non TSA locks inside of a hard side suitcase. I use a Samsonite that does not have a zipper closure. The case the Glock comes with does not have any provision to lock it, shortsightedness on their part. That is why I used the Tactical Solutions case instead.
My hardsided suitcase has a zipper, would this be a problem? I called customer sevice and all they repeated was "it has to be a hard sided suitcase"
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I did use a zipper hard side one time with no problem. It is difficult to find a non zipper case. I just happen to be in Ross one time and they had two of these Samsonites. I bought both.
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Make sure you have non TSA locks and that they are the right size (not to long)
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I work in the airline industry and travel several times a week with my firearms so I'll help to clarify as best as I can.
The case that contains the firearm MUST be a LOCKED, HARDSIDED container. That can be a pelican, combo safe, etc. If you're putting it inside your luggage, it doesn't matter what kind of bag it is. It could be a duffle bag (although I wouldn't recommend it). Zippers are absolutely ok. When I travel, I have a small rollerboard that I put my pelican inside and personally, I like to cable tie my pelican to the frame of my rollerboard.
If you're thinking of just using your luggage as the "case" then you're going to run into trouble with the airline agents and TSA.
Hope this helps!!
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I've flown with Delta, United and AA with no issues at all just like Akumalio posted. I lock my small Pelicans with a cable around the internal frame of large dufflebags.
Recently talking to a friend who is flying Hawaiian soon and he was told the suitcase containing the locked pistol case must be hard sided also. No other airline has this stipulation and by the wording of the posted Hawaiian regs he is buying a hard sided suitcase.
On the other hand United policy is clearer regarding the actual suitcase but says to use TSA locks( which we know is a no-go).
Check out the Hawaiian and United policies attached...confusing.
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My hardsided suitcase has a zipper, would this be a problem? I called customer sevice and all they repeated was "it has to be a hard sided suitcase"
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As far as the experiences I've had with Hawaiian Airlines, you could just send the pelican case as checked baggage but I prefer to put in a suitcase for obvious reasons. If you do put it in a suitcase, they're policy is that it must be a hard sided suitcase. I bought the plastic zippered suitcase they have at Ross and those are fine.
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I use the .22 conversion cases like RSN but I LOCK THEM INTO my hard sided Samsonite suitcase after check in inspection. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
That way it is safe and "protect's TSA, baggage handlers etc...
The Samsonite has a 3 digit tumbler lock and I write the combo right next to it.
I'll see if I can get a ladder and pull that 'special" suit case down, probably late Sunday night or Monday
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I was thinking of doing something similar. I was going to pop rivet the loop piece of a padlock hasp into the side of the suitcase and run a small cable from there to the padlock on the gun case. That way if someone wanted to steal the gun, they would have to walk out with the suitcase and not be able to just hide the small gun case under a jacket.
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I was thinking of doing something similar. I was going to pop rivet the loop piece of a padlock hasp into the side of the suitcase and run a small cable from there to the padlock on the gun case. That way if someone wanted to steal the gun, they would have to walk out with the suitcase and not be able to just hide the small gun case under a jacket.
I used eye bolts the stripped the threads.
med-long lock thru there and case(s)
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I've never had any problems but I only fly with Hawaiian Airlines so don't know about the other carriers. I use a small pelican case with non TSA padlocks and put in my suitcase with my clothes. There was another thread on here with lots of information so try searching for that.
As far as TSA, I've never had to interact with them regarding my firearms.
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Wassup bro... :shaka:
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I felt with a glock case on Delta, no problems.
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Hard-sided, locked case, inside your checked bag. Firearm has to be unloaded. Can't remember if rounds in mag are okay. Check with TSA, and check with your airline. When I flew to Hawaii with my firearms, I spoke TSA over the phone and looked at their website. I found their requirements for flying to be very reasonable. I asked about limits on the number of firearms I could check, and they said to ask the airline. I flew Alaskan, and apparently Alaskan loves hunters, so they didn't really give a rip at all. Alaskan also said I could carry 50 lbs of ammo - pounds, not rounds. Just make sure you're in compliance with all TSA and airline policies, and in compliance with all state and federal laws where you're going. When checking your bag, declare you are transporting a firearm in your checked bag. You'll most likely be diverted with your bag (after check-in counter) to a separate line for bag screening/bag X-ray with TSA. This usually only takes a few minutes. After that, straight to the gate, no hassle.
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Hard-sided, locked case, inside your checked bag. Firearm has to be unloaded. Can't remember if rounds in mag are okay. Check with TSA, and check with your airline. When I flew to Hawaii with my firearms, I spoke TSA over the phone and looked at their website. I found their requirements for flying to be very reasonable. I asked about limits on the number of firearms I could check, and they said to ask the airline. I flew Alaskan, and apparently Alaskan loves hunters, so they didn't really give a rip at all. Alaskan also said I could carry 50 lbs of ammo - pounds, not rounds. Just make sure you're in compliance with all TSA and airline policies, and in compliance with all state and federal laws where you're going. When checking your bag, declare you are transporting a firearm in your checked bag. You'll most likely be diverted with your bag (after check-in counter) to a separate line for bag screening/bag X-ray with TSA. This usually only takes a few minutes. After that, straight to the gate, no hassle.
All the above is to illustrate that the regulations are pretty simple, and there's not much to worry about as far as tiny little details causing a hangup.
I've also flown plenty of times with a pistol in a hard-sided case inside my suitcase. This hard-sided case has a built-in keyed non-TSA lock. Suitcase was soft sided with zipper, but was locked with TSA locks. The pistol case, however, should NOT use TSA accessible locks. I think that was actually on the literature from their website. When I flew to Hawaii, all firearms were in rifle length pelican cases with NON-TSA padlocks, and that was both recommended, and hassle free at the airport.
Don't use combo locks. Always use keyed locks for all firearm cases.
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Hard-sided, locked case, inside your checked bag. Firearm has to be unloaded. Can't remember if rounds in mag are okay. Check with TSA, and check with your airline. When I flew to Hawaii with my firearms, I spoke TSA over the phone and looked at their website. I found their requirements for flying to be very reasonable. I asked about limits on the number of firearms I could check, and they said to ask the airline. I flew Alaskan, and apparently Alaskan loves hunters, so they didn't really give a rip at all. Alaskan also said I could carry 50 lbs of ammo - pounds, not rounds. Just make sure you're in compliance with all TSA and airline policies, and in compliance with all state and federal laws where you're going. When checking your bag, declare you are transporting a firearm in your checked bag. You'll most likely be diverted with your bag (after check-in counter) to a separate line for bag screening/bag X-ray with TSA. This usually only takes a few minutes. After that, straight to the gate, no hassle.
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mags must be empty
ammunition must be in factory boxes or in plastic cases designed to hold ammo
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mags must be empty
ammunition must be in factory boxes or in plastic cases designed to hold ammo
On my trip to Vegas last month on HAWAIIAN I had 2 loaded magazines in the gun case with the pistol and they did not say anything, including the TSA agent who looked inside the case in my presence. They then had me lock it up and placed a TSA cleared sticker on the luggage tag. All the regulations say is the manufacturer box or one designed to carry ammunition. I took that to mean the gun magazine qualified.
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I've heard similar stories of traveling with loaded magazines. But I use regular ammo boxes to avoid any trouble checking in.
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I got a response from TSA saying DO NOT USE TSA approved locks. And that if your handgun case is inside your hard sided suit case, that suit case now becomes the "container" and needs to be locked. So the gun case inside the hard sided suit case no longer needs to be locked per TSA rules, HA has the same rules. Their email specifically stated gun case inside needs not be locked.
But if you travel other airlines that do not require a hard sided suit case, then that handgun case needs to be locked and hard. I'm gonna lock all my stuff anyways so that isn't an issue.
Still same run around with Hawaiian. I should be ok, but since this is my 1st time traveling with a handgun, I'm going to drive to HA soon and bring the handgun case, hard sided suite case and rifle case to show them and record (video) them saying its a go or no go. Also will show TSA since I'm there. Probably ask for a supervisor.
I always plan for the worst.
The reason why I'm so anal about this is that I've read of other people having issues and don't want any surprises.
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I've never had any problems with my guns when traveling.
Something not mentioned here is go to the airport about 20 minutes earlier than normal. After checking in your bags, they may have you wait around the check in area for about 15 mins in case your bag is selected for inspection by the tsa. Then they will ask you to unlock your bag and inspect it with you there.
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As mentioned in other threads, I always do and recommend printing and bringing with you a copy of TSA's policy and the particular airline's policy.
I've had gate agents spew all sorts of things that wasn't on either policy. Handing them the copy of the policy helped refresh their memory of THEIR OWN policy. One gate agent was insistent that the locks on my rifle case needed to be TSA locks and was going to reject my rifle case. I would do that even if I confirmed via email, call, etc to the airline.
I usually get to the airport early anyways, but the 20 minute extra is a good tip, particularly for HNL. Some airports have you take your rifle/gun case to a TSA screening area where they swab, scan, etc the case and then either accept the case or ask you to open it up for inspection.
Also be wary of the gun laws in states where you have a stop over. This could be important if you miss your connection and the airline may ask you to claim your luggage.
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As mentioned in other threads, I always do and recommend printing and bringing with you a copy of TSA's policy and the particular airline's policy.
I've had gate agents spew all sorts of things that wasn't on either policy. Handing them the copy of the policy helped refresh their memory of THEIR OWN policy. One gate agent was insistent that the locks on my rifle case needed to be TSA locks and was going to reject my rifle case. I would do that even if I confirmed via email, call, etc to the airline.
I usually get to the airport early anyways, but the 20 minute extra is a good tip, particularly for HNL. Some airports have you take your rifle/gun case to a TSA screening area where they swab, scan, etc the case and then either accept the case or ask you to open it up for inspection.
Also be wary of the gun laws in states where you have a stop over. This could be important if you miss your connection and the airline may ask you to claim your luggage.
all good points, man
another one is don't be hesitant to ask for a supervisor (even though you may have to show them the printed out policies too)
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I've never had any problems with my guns when traveling.
Something not mentioned here is go to the airport about 20 minutes earlier than normal. After checking in your bags, they may have you wait around the check in area for about 15 mins in case your bag is selected for inspection by the tsa. Then they will ask you to unlock your bag and inspect it with you there.
We're gonna go 3 hours before the flight. That way if something does happen, I have time. Also my wife gets to use the lounge for HA and can bring in 1 guest. FREE POG juice and espresso!!! last time I had 8 containers of POG and 4 shots espresso.
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We're gonna go 3 hours before the flight. That way if something does happen, I have time. Also my wife gets to use the lounge for HA and can bring in 1 guest. FREE POG juice and espresso!!! last time I had 8 containers of POG and 4 shots espresso.
and spent the whole flight peeing...
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and spent the whole flight peeing...
More like cracked out on the red eye. Can't sleep so I stay up usually 30-42hrs the 1st day in Vegas.
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No worry. I never had a problem with HA. It will be ok.
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If you're flying Hawaiian, no worries. I do it all the time.
You can also pack 11 pounds of ammo
if you're thinking of bringing some back.
If you go to the Clark County Shooting Range, keep this on mind. When they call "cease fire" that means stop shooting IMMEDIATELY, not finish up what's loaded like at Kokohead.
I got yelled at that the first time I ever went there. They're all cool though.
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Just ordered a Pelican 1200. My current pelican is flimsy. It locks at both sides, but you can open from the front and stick your fingers inside and touch the gun. About a 1 inch gap.
Where the 1200 is a harder plastic so you can't pry it open with your hands.
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Thus is new from Delta.
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Thus is new from Delta.
Could be worst, could be duct tape.
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Thus is new from Delta.
Are they do that for all luggage carrying firearms ?
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Are they do that for all luggage carrying firearms ?
that's not right if they do that- it specifically indicates "gun!"
what does the tag on the left say?
CAGPT?
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that's not right if they do that- it specifically indicates "gun!"
what does the tag on the left say?
CAGPT?
I think Suka mentioned in a previous thread that the airlines can do this, as long as the tag doesn't specifically say "firearm". If it did, then that's illegal. So some use a "handle with care" type of tag, but it really means "firearm inside".
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that's not right if they do that- it specifically indicates "gun!"
what does the tag on the left say?
CAGPT?
Carries A Gun Please Take :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake:
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170428/b7c81ab3013bfff84ed8de7a6764c8ab.png)this is what American put on both pelican case and my luggage with pistols inside.
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Carries A Gun Please Take :shake: :shake: :shake: :shake:
Perfect ;D
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Thus is new from Delta.
Did they require the lock on the suitcase?
Funny as hell; zip ties and 100 MPH fix everything!
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I normally put a lock on my suitcase, not sure if it's required but I'd recommend doing it. Only thing is the loops are really small for a lock. The only thing I can find that fits it is a TSA lock.
I wish they included a pair of scissors to cut the zip ties. They may have zip tied it because of the baggage area shooting a couple months ago, I dunno. It was very inconvenient because I had to go to the NRA convention so I changed my clothes in the restroom. I had to unzip one of the corners of the bag and yank half of my clothes out to find my knife so I could cut it off.
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I normally put a lock on my suitcase, not sure if it's required but I'd recommend doing it. Only thing is the loops are really small for a lock. The only thing I can find that fits it is a TSA lock.
I wish they included a pair of scissors to cut the zip ties. They may have zip tied it because of the baggage area shooting a couple months ago, I dunno. It was very inconvenient because I had to go to the NRA convention so I changed my clothes in the restroom. I had to unzip one of the corners of the bag and yank half of my clothes out to find my knife so I could cut it off.
Can you take a pic of the handgun case inside that you used? I got a feeling TSA is going to give me problems.
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Can you take a pic of the handgun case inside that you used? I got a feeling TSA is going to give me problems.
As long as you have a hard side gun case with non TSA locks inside of a locked suitcase with TSA locks and gun unloaded, you will have no problems. Don't sweat it. It is really easy to travel with a handgun.
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Can you take a pic of the handgun case inside that you used? I got a feeling TSA is going to give me problems.
If you have a case you're thinking of using, maybe it'd be more helpful if you'd post a picture and the specs: Make & Model.
Also post a picture of your suitcase so we can see which one will be yours on the conveyor if it adds security or not.
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CAGPT = care and give protection to.
Tie wraps are easily solved by a toe nail clipper in the front zipper of the suitcase.
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My suitcase didn't get zip ties leaving georgia, so it must have been an Oakland or Atlanta policy.
Nothing special about the pistol case. Got it for $20 somewhere. I use 2 padlocks to secure it.
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My suitcase didn't get zip ties leaving georgia, so it must have been an Oakland or Atlanta policy.
Nothing special about the pistol case. Got it for $20 somewhere. I use 2 padlocks to secure it.
Thanks Zipps!!!
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I use the .22 conversion cases like RSN but I LOCK THEM INTO my hard sided Samsonite suitcase after check in inspection. :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
That way it is safe and "protect's TSA, baggage handlers etc...
The Samsonite has a 3 digit tumbler lock and I write the combo right next to it.
I'll see if I can get a ladder and pull that 'special" suit case down, probably late Sunday night or Monday
BETTER LATE THAN NEVER ? :crazy:
Finally got into the attic.
I figured to do this when those guns from baggage went "missing" ("protect's TSA, baggage handlers etc...") :thumbsup:
I used longer locks and got two cases attached
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Talked to someone different at HA csc and they said my suitcase is fine.
Im still gonna go down b4 the flight and get appoval in person.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170513/be8343207e0193f3989b0c45863bf90f.jpg)
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Your suitcase lock has to be a TSA one or they will cut that lock. Your hardside gun case INSIDE your suitcase should have nonTSA locks and the airline will affix a Firearms Declaration on the outside of that case.
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Your suitcase lock has to be a TSA one or they will cut that lock. Your hardside gun case INSIDE your suitcase should have nonTSA locks and the airline will affix a Firearms Declaration on the outside of that case.
TSA said can use either. Hawaiian said no TSA locks allowed. Im bringing extra locks anyways.
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Update
Made it through no problem, but when i picked up my luggage, 1 round from my 50rd box of ammo was missing. I guess TSA tested it for coke. Its the expensive JHP stuff too...
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Update
Made it through no problem, but when i picked up my luggage, 1 round from my 50rd box of ammo was missing. I guess TSA tested it for coke. Its the expensive JHP stuff too...
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Good to hear things worked out well.
Did TSA take a round for testing before you locked the case up? Or were you joking? Just wondering how they got access to the ammo.
Enjoy your trip!
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Ammo in its original box inside the suitcase. When i had to show hawaiian, all 50 rds were in the box.
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Ammo in its original box inside the suitcase. When i had to show hawaiian, all 50 rds were in the box.
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So ammo wasn't inside a locked container?
Mystery missing round.
To clarify, I've only flown with ammo inside a locked case with my guns.
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So ammo wasn't inside a locked container?
Mystery missing round.
To clarify, I've only flown with ammo inside a locked case with my guns.
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Nope, original manufactorors box is fine, but it cant be lose bulk ammo. When i brought wolf home, 223 i had 22 boxes 20rds each.
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Update after my trip:
So I had no issues with HA or TSA. I guess as long as you're nice to the HA checking in person, they don't really inspect your bag to much. They just asked me to open the gun case to make sure there was no round in the chamber. I had the slide separated from the frame and a lock going through the frame. Finally found a use for that bike type lock that came with the pistol.
She took a quick glance and that was it. I did read horror stories about people having problems that's why I've been so worried. They didn't even look at what kind of lock I have on the suit case.
Also when I got to the checked baggage counter I said "Inside my suit case, I would like to declare a firearm". Not "I HAVE A GUN".
But TSA did take 1 HP bullet from me. I brought 1 box of 50rds and when I got to Vegas, 1 round was missing.
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Howdy everyone, first time poster with a question on this subject. First off, great info here, appreciate all the posts that make it easy for this kind of thing here.
I'll be flying via United next month with 2 pistols in a pelican case(with padlocks)that will be inside one of my bags. My question is, Agricultural inspection. Just toss it on the belt business as usual or anything I have to do before hand?
Forgive me if I missed this, I did read through it and another post I found as well but never came across anything pertaining to to this.
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Howdy everyone, first time poster with a question on this subject. First off, great info here, appreciate all the posts that make it easy for this kind of thing here.
I'll be flying via United next month with 2 pistols in a pelican case(with padlocks)that will be inside one of my bags. My question is, Agricultural inspection. Just toss it on the belt business as usual or anything I have to do before hand?
Forgive me if I missed this, I did read through it and another post I found as well but never came across anything pertaining to to this.
All checked bags must have an agriculture inspection sticker on them. If the gun case is inside another bag, don't remove it. They can X-ray and tag the outer bag with the gun inside.