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General Topics => Strategies and Tactics => Topic started by: Kingkeoni on February 05, 2012, 08:28:16 AM
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I keep one in the chamber.
I have a biometric quick safe that is only programmed to my finger but if I'm ever forced to grab my HD firearm to protect the family, I want it ready to go bang.
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I keep a loaded mag in, but none in the chamber. Rack and tap.
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:o too dangerous in my household to keep a round in the chamber.
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I've considered setting up like KK but currently just mag is loaded.
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Both of my handguns have a round in the chamber and 5 rounds in the mag. They are in different safes in my home, if the need arises I know they are ready.
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loaded and locked. family knows how to get to it if the need arises.
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nightstand gun is a 640-1 revo.......one in every chamber ;)
In a gunvault of course.
(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u84/bragil/P1010493-1.jpg)
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I used to keep my Mossy 500 loaded but no round in the chamber. The hope and thought being that my racking the gun that that iconic sound would be deterrent enough. But now that my girl and I are back living with my parents I no longer have a loaded gun in the house out of respect for my mother who is anti gun.
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I think this would really depend on your defense firearm. If you have a 1911 (or any true single action) I would at least keep it cocked and locked. But I personally would keep it with chamber empty. And rack and tap if needed. If you are using a single action revolver I would keep one chamber empty and keep the hammer down on it. If using a double action revolver I keep all chambers full. If using a striker fired (Glock or similar) I would keep one in the chamber. If using a single/double action with decocker I would keep one in the chamber.
My defense pistol is a revolver. I have a reason for this. Twice in my life I have had brand new manufactured defense ammo fail on me. When I kept a semi-auto as a defense weapon I rotated mags every 6 months and ammo every 3-5 years. And at least once a year I fired the pistol but I usually fired it more often. Twice while rotating ammo after sitting in my gun for a period I took it to the range and a few of rounds failed to fire. I don't know how old the ammo was when I bought it both times. Only the ammo that was in the gun failed. Each time I had a failure I shot the remaining ammo in the box and it did not fail. After the first time I thought maybe some gun oil might have somehow penetrated some of the rounds. So I made sure the second time to clean and not oil my mags and barrel and used a dry lube only. It happened again. Since then I rotate the ammo every year and buy a new box every year. I have not had a failure since.
I keep a revolver handy now instead of the semi-auto because when you have a round fail to fire you have to think about what to do next and then rack another round. In an emergency. How long would it take a half awake somewhat untrained person at home actually think about having to rack the slide? Most of us (I assume) are not trained to automatically (without thought) just rack another round. I think instinct would be to try and pull the trigger again first. At least with a double action revolver I just pull the trigger again and it gives me another round. I don't have to think about what to do next. JMHO :)
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One in the pipe and in the safe.
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1 in 6 chambersin my revo, and a loaded mag in my 1911. None in the chamber. Rack bang.
Be careful chambering and unloading that first round in a semi auto. The bullet can get pushed further in the case with each chambering.
If it gets pushed too far into the case you'll have an over pressure issue.
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I used to keep my Mossy 500 loaded but no round in the chamber. The hope and thought being that my racking the gun that that iconic sound would be deterrent enough.
My thoughts exactly, but Remington 870 for me.
I think this would really depend on your defense firearm. If you have a 1911 (or any true single action) I would at least keep it cocked and locked. But I personally would keep it with chamber empty. And rack and tap if needed. If you are using a single action revolver I would keep one chamber empty and keep the hammer down on it. If using a double action revolver I keep all chambers full. If using a striker fired (Glock or similar) I would keep one in the chamber. If using a single/double action with decocker I would keep one in the chamber.
My defense pistol is a revolver. I have a reason for this. Twice in my life I have had brand new manufactured defense ammo fail on me. When I kept a semi-auto as a defense weapon I rotated mags every 6 months and ammo every 3-5 years. And at least once a year I fired the pistol but I usually fired it more often. Twice while rotating ammo after sitting in my gun for a period I took it to the range and a few of rounds failed to fire. I don't know how old the ammo was when I bought it both times. Only the ammo that was in the gun failed. Each time I had a failure I shot the remaining ammo in the box and it did not fail. After the first time I thought maybe some gun oil might have somehow penetrated some of the rounds. So I made sure the second time to clean and not oil my mags and barrel and used a dry lube only. It happened again. Since then I rotate the ammo every year and buy a new box every year. I have not had a failure since.
I keep a revolver handy now instead of the semi-auto because when you have a round fail to fire you have to think about what to do next and then rack another round. In an emergency. How long would it take a half awake somewhat untrained person at home actually think about having to rack the slide? Most of us (I assume) are not trained to automatically (without thought) just rack another round. I think instinct would be to try and pull the trigger again first. At least with a double action revolver I just pull the trigger again and it gives me another round. I don't have to think about what to do next. JMHO :)
This has me reconsidering my choice to keep my semi-auto ready.
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If you have a 1911 (or any true single action) I would at least keep it cocked and locked. But I personally would keep it with chamber empty.
Wait.... cocked and locked with the chamber empty? I feel like I am missing something...
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Fully loaded, locked in a Stack-On quick-access safe when the wee one's over, on the nightstand when she's not. I only unload and reload when I take the pistol to the range, to avoid beating up the ammo too much. I try to buy a box of SD ammo when I buy plinking stuff, so I can shoot what was in the gun. When I unload the SD rounds, for the range, I unload both magazines as well, so different rounds go into the chamber and hopefully avoid bullet setback.
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I keep one in the chamber.
I have a biometric quick safe that is only programmed to my finger but if I'm ever forced to grab my HD firearm to protect the family, I want it ready to go bang.
Biometric is not the best idea. If your hands are wet, sweaty or dirty you may have problems getting the gun out of the safe. Try grabbing the gun after getting out of the shower. The same safe but with something like the five finger push button combo is much better and more reliable imo.
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Biometric is not the best idea. If your hands are wet, sweaty or dirty you may have problems getting the gun out of the safe. Try grabbing the gun after getting out of the shower. The same safe but with something like the five finger push button combo is much better and more reliable imo.
If I had a fingerprint safe, I'd scan my finger as many times as the memory would hold. They say that makes it less likely to reject your print.
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One in the pipe and in the safe.
+1
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Biometric is not the best idea. If your hands are wet, sweaty or dirty you may have problems getting the gun out of the safe. Try grabbing the gun after getting out of the shower. The same safe but with something like the five finger push button combo is much better and more reliable imo.
The one I have has biometric, push pad and key options.
It has been 100% reliable in over 10 years of use, with 1000's of openings and closings.
I change the batteries once a year, whether its needed or not.
My hands can be covered in shit and it will open.
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The one I have has biometric, push pad and key options.
It has been 100% reliable in over 10 years of use, with 1000's of openings and closings.
I change the batteries once a year, whether its needed or not.
My hands can be covered in shit and it will open.
What kind? I call BS. You sir need to go back and redo your tests with video (or else it didn't happen) evidence.
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What kind? I call BS. You sir need to go back and redo your tests with video (or else it didn't happen) evidence.
One peanut or corn mixed in and that finger won't work. :rofl:
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One peanut or corn mixed in and that finger won't work. :rofl:
That's what I'm saying man!!! KK needs to come in here and explain himself...............
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Wait.... cocked and locked with the chamber empty? I feel like I am missing something...
Sorry, what I meant to say is you or anyone can keep it cocked and locked with one in the chamber. But my personal preference would be to keep it without one in the chamber and ready to rack and tap.
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Sorry, what I meant to say is you or anyone can keep it cocked and locked with one in the chamber. But my personal preference would be to keep it without one in the chamber and ready to rack and tap.
Ah!
Now that makes sense!
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The one I have has biometric, push pad and key options.
It has been 100% reliable in over 10 years of use, with 1000's of openings and closings.
I change the batteries once a year, whether its needed or not.
My hands can be covered in shit and it will open.
What model is it?
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empty chamber, mags around 3/4 full so it won't wear down the springs
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What kind? I call BS. You sir need to go back and redo your tests with video (or else it didn't happen) evidence.
Ok ok ok, for the sake of science and personal defense I'm gonna offer to supply the testing material (courtesy of my dog). It's not fair to expect KK to supply all the materials. :rofl:
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Ok ok ok, for the sake of science and personal defense I'm gonna offer to supply the testing material (courtesy of my dog). It's not fair to expect KK to supply all the materials. :rofl:
For all you haters, doubters and skeptics, I'm posting pics tomorrow.
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For all you haters, doubters and skeptics, I'm posting pics tomorrow.
I still just want to know what model you've got. :'(
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I still just want to know what model you've got. :'(
I've got a gunvault 1000 & a 1000(B)
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^^^How is the vault secured? Screws into wood studs or other?
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The one I have has biometric, push pad and key options.
It has been 100% reliable in over 10 years of use, with 1000's of openings and closings.
I change the batteries once a year, whether its needed or not.
My hands can be covered in shit and it will open.
Ok, Here's the pics.
First pic is of the test media.
Second pic is because the wife came in the room while I was testing so I had to push her out the door.
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Looks like R kelly wuz there.
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R Kelly doesn't do the doo doo. He does the pee pee on little girls.
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If I really thought I could handle my gun safely in an extremely stressful situation, I would have one in the chamber. For now, it's rack and bang.
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^^^ wowzah. You need to take some courses, get some training, practice more often, etc., etc., etc.
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If I really thought I could handle my gun safely in an extremely stressful situation, I would have one in the chamber. For now, it's rack and bang.
I'm not questioning your methods, if it works for you and you're comfortable with it, it's not skin off my nose, but it seems you're storing your gun in a condition which requires extra manipulation because you're concerned you won't be able to handle it safely under stress. Wouldn't the extra manipulation of the rack bang make it less safe, if that's your concern?
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I'm not questioning your methods, if it works for you and you're comfortable with it, it's not skin off my nose, but it seems you're storing your gun in a condition which requires extra manipulation because you're concerned you won't be able to handle it safely under stress. Wouldn't the extra manipulation of the rack bang make it less safe, if that's your concern?
I don't practice my method of retrieval nearly enough. I know I'll be under extreme stress if I needed to be in SD mode. After I get the gun out, I'll rack it. I just really need to pratice more
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I don't practice my method of retrieval nearly enough. I know I'll be under extreme stress if I needed to be in SD mode. After I get the gun out, I'll rack it. I just really need to pratice more
I get that you might not have much opportunity to practice. I'm just saying that it seems like you're adding an extra, unnecessary step into the retrieval process. Either way, practice makes perfect. I don't mind either way. Really, I don't get the people that say you must have a round loaded, or you must have a gun with no safety, or you must do this or that or the other thing. Really, everybody makes concessions for safety, convenience, and all sorts of other stuff. People who poo-poo others for not keeping one in the pipe by saying that it's going to get them killed need to realize that having only a pistol might get you killed. Having only a shotgun might get you killed. If we really wanted to make damn sure we were never overcome in our homes, we would all dig bunkers for our master bedrooms, reinforce the walls with 1/2" plate steel, hide remote-detonated claymore mines behind the drywall, and post a 24/7 overwatch with a scoped rifle. We'd cuddle up to loaded shotguns and have one hand on the hatch leading to our 200 meter escape tunnel. Since none of us do that, we've all found a comfy spot that makes us feel like we've taken adequate precautions to ensure the safety and security of ourselves and our loved ones without having to dedicate our entire lives and livelihoods to the cause. If you feel that rack, bang is good enough, fine. I feel that one in the pipe of my .45 is good enough. At least it's better than being a "lock the doors and have 911 on speed dial, and call it good enough" types.
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Only when I travel do I chamber a round, if its at home I keep the chamber empty. If Im in a situation where a threat is on me before my wife or I can chamber a round and get a round off then it isnt going to matter even if a round was chambered. That said, we have no less than 3 firearms at any given time available when we are home.
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The one I have has biometric, push pad and key options.
It has been 100% reliable in over 10 years of use, with 1000's of openings and closings.
I change the batteries once a year, whether its needed or not.
My hands can be covered in shit and it will open.
Did you actually try after a workout or something to scan through it? And also out of the shower? Biometrics are not 100% all the time, any time - we study them for security, we studied them for Security + and my navy computer security schools.
Pushpad / keypad are perfect so far as you change the batteries, but bio worries me.
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My Sig 9mm is loaded and has one in the chamber & it is in my pushpad Gun Vault. S&W 357 revolver loaded & Remington 870 loaded but no round in chamber - both guns locked in a gun safe. My other rifles are unloaded and locked up in yet another gun safe.
Why? I want to be prepared and not have to ask the bad guy to wait while I load my fire arm . . .
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Probably not posting this in the correct thread, but does anyone keep a firearm close to the front door or maybe the garage? My wife came home while I was coaching my son's practice and she thought she heard someone upstairs. She didn't want to go to the room because it's upstairs. I told her to get a neighbor if one was around or leave. So she left. Luckily we weren't burglarized. I'm now debating if I should hide one in the garage with a trigger lock? I dunno, live in a very safe neighborhood with good neighbors and while my son and his friends probably won't snoop around... We were all kids once and I found my dad's handgun, emergency cash, and a bunch of other stuff I probably wasn't supposed to know about...
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I have a 12 gauge mossberg 590 right next to my bed with 5 rounds in it, but not chambered. And i have a hidden AR 15-22LR in my kitchen area by my back door just in case a secondary weapon is needed in an emergency. That is also loaded with a full Mag but not chambered. A small .22 caliber handgun with 5 rounds in the mag, but not chambered. I live with my girlfriend, mom, little sister, and 5' tall father in wahiawa, so i'm basically the only home defense we got here and we've already had a "snooper" walking inside my gated area by my house when he thought nobody was home. Everybody says i'm just paranoid, but when sh*t hits the fan, i want to be ready to defend my family as well as myself. And the .22 in my bathroom is incase somebody forces their way in my house while i'm taking a dump! 100% not a joke... But back to the point of keeping a round in the chamber, i completely agree with it. If somebody, or multiple people force their way into your home while you're there, who's to say you'll have time to get your weapon out of your lock, load it, then figure out what the heck is going on. I always leave multiple rounds in all my firearms, because 1 round might be more dangerous than no rounds. If you fire and miss, then you better load again fast! If you fire and hit, but there's another person with him, they might take a revenge shot at you. But that's just my paranoid thinking, and honest opinion. I always hope for the best but prepare for the worst. NO children in my home as well, so that's a huge factor why i feel comfortable leaving rounds in my firearms.
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I keep one in the chamber.
I have a biometric quick safe that is only programmed to my finger but if I'm ever forced to grab my HD firearm to protect the family, I want it ready to go bang.
:thumbsup:Locked and loaded.... Safe and secured. If its fired.... they deserve it... Das all i gotta say...
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Seeing that my HD piece doesn't have a safety, I keep it in my pushpad mini vault with the mag loaded, but chamber clear. Jus gotta rack it and it's good to go!!
Also, my SO and I have monthly drills on opening/racking/engaging, so I feel comfortable that she would have no problem defending herself if the situation presented itself. :thumbsup:
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Only time I would keep a firearm in condition 1 is if I had the trigger guard covered in a holster.
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Children in the house? if yes, then I suggest nope.
No wrong answer here, just safe.
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Children in the house? if yes, then I suggest nope.
No wrong answer here, just safe.
I agree...