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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: Shoboshi on May 03, 2017, 10:01:46 PM
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http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/db/330510/content/nk1vBKDg
Not sure if this has been posted
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http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/db/330510/content/nk1vBKDg
Not sure if this has been posted
I wonder if the mental health numbers include denials that were eventually approved due to the Kaiser/Straub mess?
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Im sure Kaiser/Straub rejections were part of the applicants giving "false" information.
What the report should show is the exact data for rejected reasons. Criminal, medical, Kaiser/Straub paperwork
After reading the article, I would think that we have an increased amount of bad people trying to apply for permits so common sense is more strict laws!
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Im sure Kaiser/Straub rejections were part of the applicants giving "false" information.
What the report should show is the exact data for rejected reasons. Criminal, medical, Kaiser/Straub paperwork
After reading the article, I would think that we have an increased amount of bad people trying to apply for permits so common sense is more strict laws!
If the permits were denied, then the system must work! No new laws required. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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I didn't realize that medical marijuana will disqualify you. What happens if it becomes legal for recreational use? I guess the rejections will increase to 100%.
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Joe Moore said that this means more people are CARRYING guns in Hawaii......
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I didn't realize that medical marijuana will disqualify you. What happens if it becomes legal for recreational use? I guess the rejections will increase to 100%.
I guess you haven't applied for a Hawaii permit or purchased a firearm from a dealer.
There's a whole separate form you have to acknowledge reading when you apply for a permit with Hawaii police. It states you may be denied a firearm permit for use of Marijuana even if prescribed medically.
The Feds still have pot on schedule 1, so no matter what the state does, it's illegal to use based on federal law. When you fill out ATF Form 4473 at the gunshop, the front has this:
(http://i.imgur.com/5c28sRy.jpg)
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Joe Moore said that this means more people are CARRYING guns in Hawaii......
Yeah.
Carry from the house to the truck.
Carry from the truck to the range target area.
Carry back to the truck.
Carry back into the house.
Carry to/from the airport.
And always unloaded and cased. :(
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Joe Moore said that this means more people are CARRYING guns in Hawaii......
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Are you kidding? Did he really say that?
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And how many of those denied were arrested and charged for the crime the committed ?
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Hawaii County registered almost twice (1.85) as many firearms relative to total population as Honolulu C&C. Also had 4 times the denial rate (3.2% to 0.8%). That must mean something...
I defy anyone to present anything remotely resembling a rational evidence-based argument as to why cannabis users (either medical or recreational (talk about the absurdity of "government permits"!)) should be denied the ability to keep and bear arms, while all those people knocking back alcohol (some on a daily basis) may exercise the right without government threat. Keep in mind that at least a few of the guys who wrote and signed the damn Constitution apparently consumed cannabis... wonder what they'd have to say about the state and federal ban laws? Not that any government bureaucrat/politician in Hawaii would care in the slightest what the Founding Fathers said or meant...
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There were some 53,400 registered firearms statewide last year. That's a 14.1 percent jump in registered firearms in the state since 2015.
As the number of personal firearm grew, so did the number of processed firearms applications.
Statewide, 21,408 personal firearm permits were processed, which is an 8.4 percent increase from the previous year.
Math not being my strong suit [sarcasm], anyone know the facts behind the difference between those two numbers. About 32k more firearms that are "not personal"? Are those guns registered when FFLs bring them in?
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Math not being my strong suit [sarcasm], anyone know the facts behind the difference between those two numbers. About 32k more firearms that are "not personal"? Are those guns registered when FFLs bring them in?
One is permits, one is gun registrations. You can buy more then one gun with a rifle permit and people bring guns into the state without a permit being obtained.
No math involved :-)
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One is permits, one is gun registrations. You can buy more then one gun with a rifle permit and people bring guns into the state without a permit being obtained.
No math involved :-)
Ahh. Got it. Thanks!
Missed that part and didn't think about a long gun permit being a "parent" for multiple registrations. And difference between permits and registrations. That and all the long guns when Sports Authority closed.
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Hawaii County registered almost twice (1.85) as many firearms relative to total population as Honolulu C&C. Also had 4 times the denial rate (3.2% to 0.8%). That must mean something...
I defy anyone to present anything remotely resembling a rational evidence-based argument as to why cannabis users (either medical or recreational (talk about the absurdity of "government permits"!)) should be denied the ability to keep and bear arms, while all those people knocking back alcohol (some on a daily basis) may exercise the right without government threat. Keep in mind that at least a few of the guys who wrote and signed the damn Constitution apparently consumed cannabis... wonder what they'd have to say about the state and federal ban laws? Not that any government bureaucrat/politician in Hawaii would care in the slightest what the Founding Fathers said or meant...
And they used snuff spiked with a "white powder". When stationed in RI my wife and I went on a tour of a snuff mill where the guide mentioned that cocaine I believe was added to the mix. Truth??? Only our leaders of old know lol.
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Hawaii County registered almost twice (1.85) as many firearms relative to total population as Honolulu C&C. Also had 4 times the denial rate (3.2% to 0.8%). That must mean something...
I defy anyone to present anything remotely resembling a rational evidence-based argument as to why cannabis users (either medical or recreational (talk about the absurdity of "government permits"!)) should be denied the ability to keep and bear arms, while all those people knocking back alcohol (some on a daily basis) may exercise the right without government threat. Keep in mind that at least a few of the guys who wrote and signed the damn Constitution apparently consumed cannabis... wonder what they'd have to say about the state and federal ban laws? Not that any government bureaucrat/politician in Hawaii would care in the slightest what the Founding Fathers said or meant...
When I renewed my last long gun permit the HPD officers made a nig deal about it when I was signing saying that I "DO NOT USE". They asked again while I had pen to paper and said they WILL find out if you do. I reckon they were having fun with me. Crap I'm in my 70s and retired military.
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Joe Moore said that this means more people are CARRYING guns in Hawaii......
What a dumbarse
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When I renewed my last long gun permit the HPD officers made a nig deal about it when I was signing saying that I "DO NOT USE". They asked again while I had pen to paper and said they EILL find out if you do. I reckon they were having fun with me. Crap I'm in my 70s and retired military.
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You have any resemblance to Willie Nelson?
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You have any resemblance to Willie Nelson?
Good point but No lol. More like this🎅🏻
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Yeah.
Carry from the house to the truck.
Carry from the truck to the range target area.
Carry back to the truck.
Carry back into the house.
Carry to/from the airport.
And always unloaded and cased. :(
Carry gun in house depending on situation
Carry gun on property at night
Always loaded and holstered.
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Hawaii County registered almost twice (1.85) as many firearms relative to total population as Honolulu C&C. Also had 4 times the denial rate (3.2% to 0.8%). That must mean something...
I defy anyone to present anything remotely resembling a rational evidence-based argument as to why cannabis users (either medical or recreational (talk about the absurdity of "government permits"!)) should be denied the ability to keep and bear arms, while all those people knocking back alcohol (some on a daily basis) may exercise the right without government threat. Keep in mind that at least a few of the guys who wrote and signed the damn Constitution apparently consumed cannabis... wonder what they'd have to say about the state and federal ban laws? Not that any government bureaucrat/politician in Hawaii would care in the slightest what the Founding Fathers said or meant...
If you get a DUI or any drugs charge you become prohibited and will need to get a doctor to sign off saying that you are no longer adversely affected by drugs or alcohol. Same as you would with a medical card, You would need to get a doctor to sign off you are no longer under its effects.
Remember that cannabis is still illegal no matter if you have a medical card or not.
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If you get a DUI or any drugs charge you become prohibited and will need to get a doctor to sign off saying that you are no longer adversely affected by drugs or alcohol. Same as you would with a medical card, You would need to get a doctor to sign off you are no longer under its effects.
Remember that cannabis is still illegal no matter if you have a medical card or not.
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If you get a DUI or any drugs charge you become prohibited and will need to get a doctor to sign off saying that you are no longer adversely affected by drugs or alcohol. Same as you would with a medical card, You would need to get a doctor to sign off you are no longer under its effects.
Remember that cannabis is still illegal no matter if you have a medical card or not.
Yeah, I know what the law is... my point is that the law is totally irrational and has no basis in any objectively verifiable evidence for such a distinction between alcohol (buy all the guns you want despite the well-documented harms of alcohol) and cannabis (not only can't buy a gun but can't possess one despite the well-documented relatively lesser harms of cannabis). It's clearly an exercise in the totally arbitrary and capricious exercise of authoritarian tyranny... as are so many of the other "gun laws". It's just like high school back in my day, when they "made up" rules about the "legal" minimum length of female skirts and maximum "legal" length of male hair... those rules had nothing to do with anything at all except to drive home the principal's and the school system's total control of the people subject to the authority of the system. The authorities are liars and hypocrites. And we suffer as a consequence.
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double post... got message "website not available" when I clicked "post". went "back" to page, when i clicked "post" that time it worked and showed double post.
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If you get a DUI or any drugs charge you become prohibited and will need to get a doctor to sign off saying that you are no longer adversely affected by drugs or alcohol. Same as you would with a medical card, You would need to get a doctor to sign off you are no longer under its effects.
Last nights news said they (city) is looking to monitor repeat drunk drivers by putting ignition interlocks on their cars.
I say why not enroll them in Rap Back.... :shaka:
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Joe Moore said that this means more people are CARRYING guns in Hawaii......
Almost threw something at the TV when he said that. I stopped watching HNN because of their constant MMGW shit and save the animals shit as well.
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Last nights news said they (city) is looking to monitor repeat drunk drivers by putting ignition interlocks on their cars.
I say why not enroll them in Rap Back.... :shaka:
Great Idea! :thumbsup:
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Almost threw something at the TV when he said that. I stopped watching HNN because of their constant MMGW shit and save the animals shit as well.
Anyone got a link to the video? All I can find on their site via the search engine is a brief written article on the stats. I'd just like to see the context of him saying that... maybe send him an email... though I suspect he may have gotten a few already.
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Joe Moore said that this means more people are CARRYING guns in Hawaii......
That's it... I'm never leaving the house again. It's scary knowing people have those evil devices out there...
:wacko:
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Last nights news said they (city) is looking to monitor repeat drunk drivers by putting ignition interlocks on their cars.
I say why not enroll them in Rap Back.... :shaka:
Obviously because drunk drivers never kill people RIGHT?
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Think I will spply for concealed carry. Will state the reason "Because Joe Moore said everyone is CARRYING.
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Today's Star Advertiser story has more info on Denials.
http://www.pressreader.com/usa/honolulu-star-advertiser/20170507/281900183120817
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Joe Moore said that this means more people are CARRYING guns in Hawaii......
that fake hairpiece's BPAs must be leeching into his pea brain
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Anyone got a link to the video? All I can find on their site via the search engine is a brief written article on the stats. I'd just like to see the context of him saying that... maybe send him an email... though I suspect he may have gotten a few already.
If you have oceanic try and check news on demand. I'll see if I can find it also. But he did say that.