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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: punaperson on May 19, 2017, 07:12:10 AM
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Among the many "problems" with SB898 (see thread in "Legal and Activism" https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=26639.0) is that once a person has been deemed "a danger to themsleves or others" the only action taken is to confiscate any firearms registered to that person, thus leaving them free to roam in public with access to any and all other tools that could be used as weapons to inflict injury or death upon other people. This includes, for examples, knives, hammers, machetes, cars, gasoline, poisons, screwdrivers, pieces of pipe, baseball bats, bricks, rocks, mattocks, shovels, axes, chain saws, rope, wire, etc., etc., etc., not to mention the most used "tools" to inflict injury and death in cases of Intimate Partner Violence (IPV) or domestic violence: hands, feet and fists.
As I pointed out in my testimony to the committee (which then passed the bill unanimously), if a person is deemed (in an ex parte hearing in which the accused is neither present nor even informed of the hearing) "a danger to themselves or others" it is completely illogical to leave that person in free in public with every single tool available to harm others except for firearms (which are present in less than 1% of IPV instances). But facts don't matter to legislators, especially when firearms are involved and they have an agenda.
For example, it's possible that this person, under the proposed Hawaii law, could have had his firearms confiscated and still been able to accomplish the following.
Suspect in deadly Times Square automobile mayhem charged with murder
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/19/suspect-in-deadly-times-square-mayhem-charged-with-murder.html
The man accused of steering his car onto one of the busiest sidewalks in Times Square and mowing down pedestrians Thursday has been charged with murder and 20 counts of attempted murder.
Richard Rojas, of the Bronx, also was charged late Thursday with five counts of aggravated vehicular homicide, police said.
The 26-year-old Rojas was arrested Thursday afternoon after his car sped down three blocks in Times Square, hitting nearly two dozen people before steel security barriers finally stopped him.
An 18-year-old tourist from Michigan, Alyssa Elsman, was killed. Her 13-year-old sister was among the 22 injured, four of them critically.
The suspect had served in the U.S. Navy but was discharged after disciplinary problems, military officials said. After his arrest, he told police he was "hearing voices" and expected to die, two law enforcement officials said.
[Given his background of disciplinary problems in the Navy, it's possible that someone may have seen him as a "danger to himself or others" and had such a law been in effect, had his firearms confiscated... leaving him with only every other tool/weapon in existence to harm others.]
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our legislators think that we shouldnt have any firearms. :thumbsup:
every leg year its about how can we take away our citizens access to guns? Lets see some bills Democrats. Its not a safety issue its a control issue.
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When you point out the glaring flaws in their "work" you make them look bad.
It makes our legislators realize how impotent they really are in trying to solve real problems.
Common sense and facts are ineffective weapons against megalomaniacs. :(
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This is not murder the charges will never stick unless our legal system really is that fucked.
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This is not murder the charges will never stick unless our legal system really is that fucked.
No thanks. :stopjack:
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This is not murder the charges will never stick unless our legal system really is that fucked.
did the AI judge and prosecutor determine this?
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This is not murder the charges will never stick unless our legal system really is that fucked.
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This is not murder the charges will never stick unless our legal system really is that fucked.
(http://i.imgur.com/MNKeVnk.jpg)
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This is not murder the charges will never stick unless our legal system really is that fucked.
Can we just ban this guy already ?
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MURDER IS THE PREMEDITATED/INTENTIONAL ACT OF TAKING SOMEONES LIFE.
DO FUKIN TELL ME IN ALL YOUR WISDOM HOW THIS IS NOT AN INTENTIONAL ACT.
IF YOU THINK ITS NOT, PLEASE SURRENDER ALL OF YOUR FIREARMS TO HPD AS YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY MENTALLY INCAPABLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ldq0E-JPM
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Admittedly I didn't read too far into this news but from what I heard dude was on drugs and randomly decided to do it. Pre-meditated is the huge issue here. This should fall under 2nd degree murder not 1st.
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Admittedly I didn't read too far into this news but from what I heard dude was on drugs and randomly decided to do it. Pre-meditated is the huge issue here. This should fall under 2nd degree murder not 1st.
SO BASICALLY LIKE ALWAYS YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT SHIT WITHOUT KNOWING ANYOF THE FACTS.
GO FIND ANOTHER FORUM TO TROLL ON WE ARE DONE WITH YOUR BS HERE
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SO BASICALLY LIKE ALWAYS YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT SHIT WITHOUT KNOWING ANYOF THE FACTS.
GO FIND ANOTHER FORUM TO TROLL ON WE ARE DONE WITH YOUR BS HERE
.....Wasn't even trolling I still support that he should be charged with 2nd degree murder not 1st. Dude was a drugged out crazy dude. You are correct though I did prejudge a bit on what little information I heard on the news. One of the few times I should of researched more before writing.
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.....Wasn't even trolling I still support that he should be charged with 2nd degree murder not 1st. Dude was a drugged out crazy dude. You are correct though I did prejudge a bit on what little information I heard on the news. One of the few times I should of researched more before writing.
so you were 97% sure it wasn't murder?
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it is a 100% 187
The guy took a stroll around the block!
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Admittedly I didn't read too far into this news but from what I heard dude was on drugs and randomly decided to do it. Pre-meditated is the huge issue here. This should fall under 2nd degree murder not 1st.
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Just watched the news, he was charged with 2nd degree murder. All is well in the justice system.
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Just watched the news, he was charged with 2nd degree murder. All is well in the justice system.
Second degree murder is still murder. What happened to:
This is not murder the charges will never stick unless our legal system really is that fucked.
Lying and trolling. What an idiot.
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One of the few times I should of researched more before writing.
wait a second, earlier you had posted something along the lines of "i care so little about the discussions here that i don't put much time into what i write"
so which is true 97% of the time?
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Just watched the news, he was charged with 2nd degree murder. All is well in the justice system.
and earlier you said our system is fucked up if it is murder
which is it, "fucked up" or "all is well"
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and earlier you said our system is fucked up if it is murder
which is it, "fucked up" or "all is well"
Come on. You expect us to believe that when he wrote "murder" you didn't know he meant "first degree murder" except when he wrote "murder" and meant "second degree murder"?
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Come on. You expect us to believe that when he wrote "murder" you didn't know he meant "first degree murder" except when he wrote "murder" and meant "second degree murder"?
don't worry, he will be by soon to use some big word like "interpenetrate" so he can be an intellectual at heart...
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He's a lawyer at heart ....
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don't worry, he will be by soon to use some big word like "interpenetrate" so he can be an intellectual at heart...
You guys talkin' about that Onmi [/sp] character again? That Onmi [/sp] guy is a pretty fart smeller!!! [Ooops, the smell checker got me again] :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Shesh I assumed he was charged with 1st degree murder. I made a mistake enjoy one of your guys few legit wins.
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Shesh I assumed he was charged with 1st degree murder. I made a mistake enjoy one of your guys few legit wins.
You haven't been right about anything yet.
Dimwit.