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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: CSaladino on February 08, 2012, 11:09:21 AM
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your thoughts on doomsday preppers? i need a bugout bag and place!
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found it interesting and informational. my wife was watching it with me and said we need to start prepping. I thought she was being sarcastic, she's said she was serious.
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i think the family that had no weapons is making a huge mistake. if i got guns and you got food... i got food!
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To some people these people are wackos. But when you think what is happening in the world and you watch TV shows about the Bomb Squad in Afghanistan makes you really think what is going to happen if the world goes nuts?
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i think the family that had no weapons is making a huge mistake. if i got guns and you got food... i got food!
Exactly
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There were some good pieces of info, but they portrayed these people as wacko's.
The family at the end was ok, but the girl from Houston was a loon; "we're gonna put a bullet in our cats brainstem"'.....really?!
How about the guy who could barely walk because he was morbidly obese, but thought he was John Rambo?
I'll continue to watch, but wish they would portray "preppers" in a bit better light.
I agree with the premise and do a little prepping myself, but this show will make the term preppers synonymous with crazy people :shake:
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They were all shills selected and coached to make the prepper community look like a bunch of kooks that are in denial. They of course threw in reasonable comments here and there to camoflauge the intent. I mean, they had a system where an unknown number of people from an unknown organization are giving "expert assessments" on each of them. Basically it trains the viewers to believe that whatever you can think up or thought was a good idea, is not good enough, and you require this oversight from this mysterious omnipotent organization to survive. In other words - WE KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR YOU. DO AS WE SAY.
All the actors and actresses were way too gungho (coached) about revealing their identity to the country, which is complete and utter OpSec suicide. Their enthusiasm was unrealistic (because they were coached). They may have been true preppers before, but now that the entire country knows their faces and what they are doing, they are nothing.
/takeofftinfoilhat
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There were some good pieces of info, but they portrayed these people as wacko's.
The family at the end was ok, but the girl from Houston was a loon; "we're gonna put a bullet in our cats brainstem"'.....really?!
How about the guy who could barely walk because he was morbidly obese, but thought he was John Rambo?
I'll continue to watch, but wish they would portray "preppers" in a bit better light.
I agree with the premise and do a little prepping myself, but this show will make the term preppers synonymous with crazy people :shake:
Yeah that chick in Texas was something else. :wacko:
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pandemic lady is a freak!!!
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What day is the show?
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tuesdays on natgeo :thumbsup:
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your thoughts on doomsday preppers?
They appear to be a bit extreme, but depends on what they are prepping for and your perspective.
Consider where we live - in the middle of the ocean. How many days supply of food & oil/gas/coal do we actually have on island? Once the electricity stops there is also no running water.
And what will happen when the ships (that bring our food & oil/gas/coal) stop coming here? How prepared are we?
Why would the ships stop? Better to start another thread to discuss that one!
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They appear to be a bit extreme, but depends on what they are prepping for and your perspective.
Consider where we live - in the middle of the ocean. How many days supply of food & oil/gas/coal do we actually have on island? Once the electricity stops there is also no running water.
And what will happen when the ships (that bring our food & oil/gas/coal) stop coming here? How prepared are we?
Why would the ships stop? Better to start another thread to discuss that one!
Yup it's all extreme or crazy until something really bad happens.
Ships stop coming, that could be the EMP that guys are thinking are coming, or the total global economic collapse, etc. There's always some scenario where shipping/air doesn't work/come in.
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For me... doomsday preppers go's to beyond... too much drama... but den again dats supposedly good tv now days...
Again for me... like most locals, we always get choke can goods, spam, vienna sausages, canned veggies etc...
But many years ago we started preppings more foods, beans, bullets and band aids... Plus guns/ammo.... heh heh...
Like most of us locals already had choke camping supplies but added more, and made a BOB for me and one for the wifey...
Never can be too cautious... got stuck in one too many tsunami and fire scares on the other side of the island....
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I hope the girl who planned to bug out to Mexico changed her mind. I did not see the whole episode and if the experts advised her not to do so. As stated earlier so many locals have extra essentials on hand in case of emergencies due to natural disasters or shipping strikes. Everybody should have emergency supplies on hand. Hurricane Katrina showed that large numbers of people can turn feral.
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I hope the girl who planned to bug out to Mexico changed her mind. I did not see the whole episode and if the experts advised her not to do so. As stated earlier so many locals have extra essentials on hand in case of emergencies due to natural disasters or shipping strikes. Everybody should have emergency supplies on hand. Hurricane Katrina showed that large numbers of people can turn feral.
I think she enlisted.
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You know it's funny how people in Hawaii just don't want to face facts and reality. I watch this show with my wife and she doesn't pay attention. Which drives me crazy. Although I don't have the room to make perps I really want to do it badly.
I love after the experts do there assessment then they say "experts say although these things have happened in the past it unlikely to happen again." :/ hmmm makes me wonder if there just trying to paint these people as the "clinging to there bibles and guns" kinda people.
One man with one mans opinion?? Although a couple seem "cookoo" most all of um are really smart people.
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They're all prepping for different scenarios, but it'll all be for nothing if they don't prepare for the right reason. Polar shifts, meteor, economic breakdown, solar flares, WW3, Caldera in yellowstone, Advanced civilization invasion... I've been into shows like acient aliens, naked science, etc, etc for years now... civilizations have disappeared without any archeological evidence where they went, and how they disappeared. Trips me the hell out the types of technology they had thousands of years ago to build certain types of buildings, with precise angles, sizes, and cuts. and proof that stones weren't cut with circular saws, lazers, or carving tools! No evidence of any technology that we know about that could have done these. They have all these theory's about how they used hand carving tools to build these big ass temples and homes, and moved all of the huge materials by rolling on logs and just human power?? f*ck that bro! Just doesn't make sense... I just watched this past episode of acient aliens, on the history channel, and that was the episode that nailed it for me! None of it's bull, and it's all facts. It still ends with a lot of theories and questions, but just doesn't make sense what happened to these civilizations. I mean, then dug up skeletal remains of adult human bodies that had elongated skulls. They have little statues of faces, of MANY different types of races, and even a carving of an alien's head in the mix LOL.. I'm not someone that's too gullible to fall for this type of nonsense, but there's just too much evidence of repeated events that lead to disappearances of entire civilizations. I don't know what the hell to prep for, but i want to be ready when sh*t hits the fan. I think we all need to prepare, but when time comes, we all (people who prepped) need to help each other out and work as a team to survive. None of this bunker for me and my family shit.. i mean if i had the money and knowledge to go to the extreme to protect my family, i would, but i'd rather try to survive with a large number of people than just 4 or 5 of us. There's going to be a lot more desperate, unprepared people than prepared ones if and when this happens. But sh*t man, december 21 will probably just have a huge solar flare, and will interrupt your directv service for a few days!! But all the paranoid humans will start chaos thinking it's the end of the world. i kind of went off topic about from the bunkers and stuff, but i put in too much thinking to erase what i just wrote LOL... Basically what i wanted to say, is i believe in prepping for this doomsday just to be safe, but i don't have the means and time like most of the hardcore preppers have. I can just buy weapons to protect my family from scavengers, and try to save up as much food as i can. And i honestly believe you guys should watch Ancient Aliens on The History Channel just to see what i'm talking about. All facts, but just not too many answers. I think the world will not end, but will change in a huge way. I also believe it is already in the process as we speak. Over population; Bigger Storms; Bigger earthquakes; more tsunamis; damm!! There was a tornado in kaneohe last week!! wasn't devastating, but you can see sh*t is changing around the world. A lot of, "this has never happened before", or very rare anomalies happening in a short period of time. The earths regulating the population, or we ourselves are going to end up doing it. Or heck, both is happening!
*anybody ever think what's on the other side of the moon?? perfect place to hide some sh*t too. LOL, thought i'd end this with another conspiracy theory...
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dude, you just made my brain explode :o
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dude, you just made my brain explode :o
LoL... Sorry bro. When I saw this thread, my Potogee came out!
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completely agree with TT. there's definitely "weird" stuff happening around the world both natural and man made type events. we have screwed up the balance of this planet in just the last 100 years more than any civilization in the past... not counting volcanic eruptions, solar flares CME's, ice age, etc etc. the earth WILL regain it's balance with or without our assistance just as it has done for the past 4.5 billion years.
there is a saying that it is YOUR responsibility to be prepared. if you are a father or mother, you are the sole entity who needs to take care of your children. not your relatives, friends, neighbors, church, GOVERNMENT, etc etc. the responsibility lies squarely on you. if you are religious, it is your biblical duty to do so.
are you afraid of the guy with the gun... or are you afraid of BECOMING the guy with the gun.
I'll start off by saying that I believe most people are good. I agree wholeheartedly with the concept of forming small tribes or communities if SHTF and banding together to survive. but there are far too many people who feel they are entitled to such groups without actually having any real world skills or anything to contribute to the group. young kids these days wouldn't be able to find their way home if they didn't have an "i" something rather type device. also there is a bad element in our society who will band together and cause major problems because they have nothing to lose. the less fortunate don't steal from other less fortunate folks.
there are ~1.0 to ~1.4 million people on Oahu at any given time depending upon the amount of visitors. if the ship's stop coming, there is approximately 3 days worth of food for that amount of populace. the biggest reason the ships stop coming would be the left coast falling into the Pacific due to a massive earthquake. there are other reasons too like fuel shortages, dock worker union calamities, EMP, and so on and so forth.
the worst case scenario would be that an massive EMP from either the Sun, North Korea, China, or other source puts us back about 250 years technology wise and we must survive Little House on the Prairie style quite literally. anything that operates via a microchip and is not protected via a Faraday cage won't survive. imagine all the cars just stopped in the midst of travel(with the exception of carbonated vehicles), no cell phones, computers/internet, radio, TV/cable, power(power plants operate via computers), lights, refrigerators, no radios for law enforcement and fire authorities, etc etc. if you've fallen and can't get up and no one is around... well you're pretty much done.
also, don't forget that these Islands are a major strategic stepping stone and locale to the entire Pacific rim. it is highly desirable. nuking them to get rid of its inhabitants and threats is not feasible due to contaminating the property.
anyhow, bottom line is that if you have little to no skills with growing food, designing/building/fabrication, ranching/livestock duties, seeking fresh water, security/defense, negotiating/leadership, fishing, food preservation, cooking ... and the list goes on and on... but the point is to be able to be marketable in bad times. you will NOT have the luxury to be a consumer without contributing to the group. there are far too many people today that have no real world skills outside modern society and this is truly sad. our world revolves around money and we have lost touch with what we should be really focusing on, which is to help one another. not socialism or communism, just to be human to one another.
you cannot survive on your own if things get bad.
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Blue Beam Project. You have been prepped through years of televised & hollywood indoctrination to eat it up when it happens. Bewaaaaaaaare. The time is neeeeeeeeeeeear!
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I actually tend to lean towards the AA theory (we were a primitive species that were given knowledge by an advanced race), but wary of the BBP (massive holographic and laser light show to give the illusion that aliens have returned, and to unite all religions under a single rule)
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I heard somewhere that it's actually ILLEGAL to touch aliens. Forgot where I saw this. I believe the firefighter training manual that was updated to include alien invasions.
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Yeah, there's wierrrrd stuff goin' on. One wonders if this is a function of vastly improved communications like the net, or what. I've noticed that the mainstream news outfits are picking up on stuff on the net and reporting on it nowadays, and this goes beyond the entertainment value of reporting on the latest viral vid.
One of my favorite flicks on the subject of SHTF is "Panic in the year zero," not for its entertainment value, but for its logical and fairly realistic consideration of what will go on in the case of a disaster. This one's about atomic attack, but can be generalized to any total breakdown of society.
Yeah, it's just a movie, and it's dated (1962, right around the Cuban Missile Crisis), but I don't see human motivations and behaviors changing much from then.
It also has a rather sensationalized title, unfortunately, but it's pretty well done. Ray Milland (star and director) was a bit of a prepper himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_in_Year_Zero (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_in_Year_Zero)!
Some reviews, quoted from the above Wiki article:
Michael Atkinson, the film critic for The Village Voice, liked the film and wrote, "This forgotten, saber-toothed 1962 AIP cheapie might be the most expressive on-the-ground nightmare of the Cold War era, providing a template not only for countless social-breakdown genre flicks (most particularly, Michael Haneke's Time of the Wolf) but also for authentic crisis—shades of New Orleans haunt its DVD margins...the movie is nevertheless an anxious, detail-rich essay on moral collapse."[1]
Glenn Erickson writes, in his DVD Savant review, "Panic In Year Zero! scrupulously avoids any scenes requiring more than minimalist production values yet still delivers on its promise, allowing audience imagination to expand upon the narrow scope of what's actually on the screen. It sure seemed shocking in 1962, and easily trumped other more pacifistic efforts. The Day the Earth Caught Fire was for budding flower people; Panic In Year Zero! could have been made as a sales booster for the gun industry."[2]
Another quote from the same article shows a more hand-wringing perspective (selected quote):
The only thing that was hard to fully approve of in Panic in Year Zero!, was Milland's selfish philosophy for survival—it was simply not a very human one. It was a narrow philosophy that did not give him the high moral ground over the looters, who also recognized it was a dog-eat-dog world and they must also look out only for Number One. But if everyone behaved like that, the world would indeed be a place of anarchy and hell.
Got news for ya: there will not be a moral high ground. This one cracked me up: "But if everyone behaved like that, the world would indeed be a place of anarchy and hell."
Got more news for ya: the world will be a place of anarchy and hell. That's the new starting point. What the hell are you thinking? If there are fuzzy pink unicorns with cutesey big eyelashes and pretty flowing manes, we'll be killing them for the meat. And when you get hungry enough, you'll quit your hand-wringing and dig in with both those hands.
Terry, 230RN