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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: DonRow on February 10, 2012, 03:08:47 PM
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http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/feb/10/nra-official-obama-wants-outlaw-guns-2nd-term/ (http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/feb/10/nra-official-obama-wants-outlaw-guns-2nd-term/)
The tombstone will read "Here lies the 2nd amendment and the 1st, and the 4th hell there all in there." he can not get reelected.
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Youre not gonna get anything better with Mitt Romney, we're doomed until 2016...
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Who gives a crap about the president? Lets focus on the Senate imo.. I would abandon ship on the presidental candidate, focus on senate, and focus on keeping the house.
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This guy got it right:
Dear President Obama;
Every year some new idea about how to make our streets safer via “Gun Control” arrives in New York and our nation at large. We’ve registered our guns. Violent crime continues. We’ve banned assault weapons. Violent crime continues. We ballistically identify our legally possessed pistols. Violent crime continues. There are 200 to 300 million firearms in this country - they are woven into the fabric of our society. For all the “wiz bang” technology that modern society has invented - rifles and pistols are still the foundation of our national and state defense. Thousands of times an hour they are used to dissuade another from pursuing an ill advised path; whether in the hand of a police officer or a private citizen. Yes - accidents and tragedies happen, and a mature society must look itself in the mirror and draw the proper conclusions from these horrible events, but to think that by passing law upon law the public at large will somehow be magically made safer via “gun control” is psychotic and dangerous.
I and many of you witnessed the attacks on September 11, 2001. Had those pilots - many of whom were ex military officers - been required to carry a side arm; that day would have ended much differently. Imagine all the lives and treasure that could have been saved but for an irrational fear of the law abiding gun owner. Can any of you honestly say that over the past few decades your collective efforts have made New Yorkers safer? If any of you answered yes then you must take a close look at the FBI statistics on violent crime - you’ll find disappointment waiting for you. No law can urge the lawless to ask permission from anyone for anything. Remember ladies and gentleman criminals, terrorists, and sub human miscreants are dumb, but they are not stupid.
The latest iteration of this policy is the idea that putting a serial number on a bullet casing as it ejects from a semi-automatic pistol will allow law enforcement to detect and thus incarcerate more criminals - this is also referred to as micro-stamping. So let us pretend that all of you are now criminals - how would you alter your behavior to avoid detection? Police your brass. Use a sawed off shotgun. Use a revolver. Gasoline and a match are very effective. Explosives work exceedingly well in motor vehicles. Poison - women seem to prefer this method - Spitzer should hire a food tester. There are very effective ways of killing people that never include a semi-automatic pistol. Not to mention the most obvious trick - remove the firing pin and file off the serializing mechanism. What about something even more devious - picking up used serialized brass at a firing range and place it at the scene of the future crime to throw off the police. Serializing casings of pistol cartridges not only will not work, but it will create more permutations of that section of the population of New York State that are hell bent on killing for profit or psychosis.
New York State currently operates a system that ostensibly should be doing what micro-stamping or serializing a cartridge would do. That system is called “The New York State Combined Ballistic Identification System,” or COBIS. To date COBIS has cost the taxpayers of New York $30,000,000 and has produced only two matches in its database. It costs $4,000,000 per year to operate. We are not the only State to have attempted such foolishness - Maryland has attempted it also. The only difference is Maryland abandoned it because firearms possessed by law abiding citizens are use to commit crimes in infinitesimally rare circumstances. I could fill five pages with all I know of ballistic identification and it’s pros and cons - I sincerely suggest all of you educate yourselves and rethink New York's current approach - last I checked New York was running a $5,000,000,000 deficit saving a few million here or there might start adding up to real money.
Many proven methods work to prevent crime, a solid basic education in how to behave in civil society, economic growth, engaged and active parents, etc. But the most effective methods that exist for reducing crime is self defense and long term humane incarceration for those who cannot coexist peacefully with their fellow citizens. New York State concealed carry law is a mess - some counties provide permits to law abiding citizens with out much hassle while others, “you have to know somebody.” Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Don’t get me wrong - have stringent rules and requirements that are not capricious for the officials as well as the applicants, but stop deluding yourselves in thinking that permit holders and firearms are in and of themselves the enemy - the opposite is true - concealed carry holders are the most productive and law abiding segment of society. Florida maintains excellent statistics on this point - less then one hundredth of one percent of all permit holders has ever committed any crime in its entire thirty year history of concealed carry! Before Elliot Sptitzers behavior was detected he let 200 murderers out of prison. These people did not steal a loaf of bread to feed their children - THEY KILLED AND RAPED PEOPLE. Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Bring back the death penalty for criminals that take an officers life.
Please stop attacking me and my fellow firearms owners we neither deserve your ire or your ad hominem attacks. Focus your efforts on what works and not what will get any of you reelected, stop using firearms as a means to win votes in an effort to demonstrate to your misguided constituents that you can save them from violent crime if only they surrender more of their forgotten liberty, when the opposite is true - even they at some point will recognize your hypocrisy for what it is.
Respectfully,
Joe Doakes
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Youre not gonna get anything better with Mitt Romney, we're doomed until 2016...
Agree about Mitt Romney since he is a Mormon and Mormons don't want others that are outside their religion to owns guns. So he will probably gonna pass a gunban under the guise of public safety.
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If there's a second term, I'm going to get my hands on as many guns as I possibly can...........In fact, I think I'll do that anyway.
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Agree about Mitt Romney since he is a Mormon and Mormons don't want others that are outside their religion to owns guns. So he will probably gonna pass a gunban under the guise of public safety.
Your statement about Mormons is a load of shit!
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I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm packing up my guns, stealing a canoe, and invading some little island somewhere if Obama gets reelected. Then I can set up my own little libertarian paradise.
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Quote from: rswarrior1700 on Today at 01:59:28 PM
Agree about Mitt Romney since he is a Mormon and Mormons don't want others that are outside their religion to owns guns. So he will probably gonna pass a gunban under the guise of public safety.
Your statement about Mormons is a load of shit!
Hahahaha, you must be a Mormon.
(Here comes the religion wars)
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Quote from: rswarrior1700 on Today at 01:59:28 PM
Agree about Mitt Romney since he is a Mormon and Mormons don't want others that are outside their religion to owns guns. So he will probably gonna pass a gunban under the guise of public safety.
Hahahaha, you must be a Mormon.
(Here comes the religion wars)
Maybe. ;-)
But Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, and Idaho are some of the 2a friendliest states in the Union, all with a high percentage of Mormons. His statements don't reflect reality.
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Maybe. ;-)
But Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, and Idaho are some of the 2a friendliest states in the Union, all with a high percentage of Mormons. His statements don't reflect reality.
Very true.
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Maybe. ;-)
But Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, and Idaho are some of the 2a friendliest states in the Union, all with a high percentage of Mormons. His statements don't reflect reality.
Dammit, I was hoping there would be a jihadrusade in progress when I checked back in on this thread! :rofl: There you go with your logic! lol
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Dammit, I was hoping there would be a jihadrusade in progress when I checked back in on this thread! :rofl: There you go with your logic! lol
Damn you Spock, and your logic. :rofl:
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Agree about Mitt Romney since he is a Mormon and Mormons don't want others that are outside their religion to owns guns. So he will probably gonna pass a gunban under the guise of public safety.
Your comment is totally false. In the Mormon survival guide they clearly outline that people should have firearms AND thousands of rounds of ammunition.
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If Obama gets term two, I'd be more worried about WW3. None in the world seem to respect(fear) the US anymore and the POTUS even less. He pretty much guarantees a lax response to any BS a rogue nation might pull. We are so far down the road to the next world war it isn't even funny.
Is there time for a u-turn?
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Honestly, who gives a crap who the president is? Get 60 senate republicans and maintain the house.
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Your right we need the Senate and to maintain the House, but Judge appointments, DOJ appointments, white letters, and executive orders coupled with Obama's willingness to trample the Constitution means that he needs to go. Maybe if we get control of congress we can slow that down, but the current group of clowns have yet to do anything to slow him down. In my mind all three conditions need to be met.
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Honestly, who gives a crap who the president is? Get 60 senate republicans and maintain the house.
Your right Chris. Hopefully you get 60 senators if a "spine" really no matter what party because then they could impeach his ass.
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Your right Chris. Hopefully you get 60 senators if a "spine" really no matter what party because then they could impeach his ass.
The Senate has nothing to do with anything anymore, it's just a figurehead, like the British royal family. We live in a democratic dictatorship now, so the President is the only office that matters.
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Don't forget Obama loves violating the constitution and doing the PRESIDENTIAL EXECUTIVE ORDER bull. Worst president in hstory like a little baby when he doesnt get his way.
I also figure he is going to claim a state of emergency around election time and declare himself the wiener of the Office of the President. (winner :shake: )
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FDR anyone??
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The money will be better spent some where else - none of the republicans will win. Religion (and its social fight in politics) will cost this country.
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The money will be better spent some where else - none of the republicans will win. Religion (and its social fight in politics) will cost this country.
I agree. Religion has no place in politics.
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I agree. Religion has no place in politics.
Politics should also stay out of religion.
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^^^^that would mean giving up the 501 status. ;)
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Politics should also stay out of religion.
I second that "Politics" needs to stay out of religion.
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This guy got it right:
Dear President Obama;
Every year some new idea about how to make our streets safer via “Gun Control” arrives in New York and our nation at large. We’ve registered our guns. Violent crime continues. We’ve banned assault weapons. Violent crime continues. We ballistically identify our legally possessed pistols. Violent crime continues. There are 200 to 300 million firearms in this country - they are woven into the fabric of our society. For all the “wiz bang” technology that modern society has invented - rifles and pistols are still the foundation of our national and state defense. Thousands of times an hour they are used to dissuade another from pursuing an ill advised path; whether in the hand of a police officer or a private citizen. Yes - accidents and tragedies happen, and a mature society must look itself in the mirror and draw the proper conclusions from these horrible events, but to think that by passing law upon law the public at large will somehow be magically made safer via “gun control” is psychotic and dangerous.
I and many of you witnessed the attacks on September 11, 2001. Had those pilots - many of whom were ex military officers - been required to carry a side arm; that day would have ended much differently. Imagine all the lives and treasure that could have been saved but for an irrational fear of the law abiding gun owner. Can any of you honestly say that over the past few decades your collective efforts have made New Yorkers safer? If any of you answered yes then you must take a close look at the FBI statistics on violent crime - you’ll find disappointment waiting for you. No law can urge the lawless to ask permission from anyone for anything. Remember ladies and gentleman criminals, terrorists, and sub human miscreants are dumb, but they are not stupid.
The latest iteration of this policy is the idea that putting a serial number on a bullet casing as it ejects from a semi-automatic pistol will allow law enforcement to detect and thus incarcerate more criminals - this is also referred to as micro-stamping. So let us pretend that all of you are now criminals - how would you alter your behavior to avoid detection? Police your brass. Use a sawed off shotgun. Use a revolver. Gasoline and a match are very effective. Explosives work exceedingly well in motor vehicles. Poison - women seem to prefer this method - Spitzer should hire a food tester. There are very effective ways of killing people that never include a semi-automatic pistol. Not to mention the most obvious trick - remove the firing pin and file off the serializing mechanism. What about something even more devious - picking up used serialized brass at a firing range and place it at the scene of the future crime to throw off the police. Serializing casings of pistol cartridges not only will not work, but it will create more permutations of that section of the population of New York State that are hell bent on killing for profit or psychosis.
New York State currently operates a system that ostensibly should be doing what micro-stamping or serializing a cartridge would do. That system is called “The New York State Combined Ballistic Identification System,” or COBIS. To date COBIS has cost the taxpayers of New York $30,000,000 and has produced only two matches in its database. It costs $4,000,000 per year to operate. We are not the only State to have attempted such foolishness - Maryland has attempted it also. The only difference is Maryland abandoned it because firearms possessed by law abiding citizens are use to commit crimes in infinitesimally rare circumstances. I could fill five pages with all I know of ballistic identification and it’s pros and cons - I sincerely suggest all of you educate yourselves and rethink New York's current approach - last I checked New York was running a $5,000,000,000 deficit saving a few million here or there might start adding up to real money.
Many proven methods work to prevent crime, a solid basic education in how to behave in civil society, economic growth, engaged and active parents, etc. But the most effective methods that exist for reducing crime is self defense and long term humane incarceration for those who cannot coexist peacefully with their fellow citizens. New York State concealed carry law is a mess - some counties provide permits to law abiding citizens with out much hassle while others, “you have to know somebody.” Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Don’t get me wrong - have stringent rules and requirements that are not capricious for the officials as well as the applicants, but stop deluding yourselves in thinking that permit holders and firearms are in and of themselves the enemy - the opposite is true - concealed carry holders are the most productive and law abiding segment of society. Florida maintains excellent statistics on this point - less then one hundredth of one percent of all permit holders has ever committed any crime in its entire thirty year history of concealed carry! Before Elliot Sptitzers behavior was detected he let 200 murderers out of prison. These people did not steal a loaf of bread to feed their children - THEY KILLED AND RAPED PEOPLE. Fix this and you’ll have a safer society. Bring back the death penalty for criminals that take an officers life.
Please stop attacking me and my fellow firearms owners we neither deserve your ire or your ad hominem attacks. Focus your efforts on what works and not what will get any of you reelected, stop using firearms as a means to win votes in an effort to demonstrate to your misguided constituents that you can save them from violent crime if only they surrender more of their forgotten liberty, when the opposite is true - even they at some point will recognize your hypocrisy for what it is.
Respectfully,
Joe Doakes
Good damned letter. Could use:
Proofreading
Citations (as an appendix)
Pruning
Someone to read it aloud to the recipient
Through a bullhorn.
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Agree about Mitt Romney since he is a Mormon and Mormons don't want others that are outside their religion to owns guns. So he will probably gonna pass a gunban under the guise of public safety.
His entire career has been spent as a big business, anti-gun, police-state goon. Hes not going to be any different as president, I dont care what he or his campaigners say.
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Not for nothing, but gonna stock me up on hi-cap mags.... :thumbsup:
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Politics should also stay out of religion.
+1 on this
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I'm going to get my hands on as many guns as I possibly can
+1 and choke bullets!
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seriously, do any of us realy believe that nobody would put up a fight for the 2A?
Me personally am not going to give in no matter what, dont care if they come to my house and threaten to blow me up, I would rather die fighting for my guns and my rights than live without them, 2A is just the tip, that is why, 1 is free speech, 2 is self preservation,, that is how strong I feel about it,, dont really care, the only thing that separates us here in the USA with all the folks getting shot by their own governments is the fact that every redneck and semi redneck and old school hunter has at least one or two guns in the closet, if the government gets that cocky that they say no guns and try to take them away, wouldnt you unite and fight?