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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: ANOMALOUS on June 20, 2017, 05:22:01 PM
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http://khon2.com/2017/06/20/woman-robbed-at-gunpoint-on-popular-hiking-trail/
According to Police and DLNR, to protect youself from someone robbing you with a gun. Never go hiking alone (so the gunman can rob more than one person) beware of your surroundings (so you can get everything ready for him) and secure your belongings (so you have a harder time giving it up quickly)
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OMG! You waited from October 3, 2013, until today, June 20, 2017, to make your first post?
This must be a pretty awesome topic to get you to come out of your cave!!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
:worship: :worship:
:shaka:
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Back to the batcave. See you again in a few years :rofl:
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Back to the batcave. See you again in a few years :rofl:
HAHAHAHA!
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It amazes me when I see cars at beaches with realtor key boxes dangling from their frame. It doesn't take much to smash them with a hammer.
It's always an ongoing debate whether it's better to lock your doors when parked at a trailhead or to roll the windows down and keep the doors unlocked.
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It amazes me when I see cars at beaches with realtor key boxes dangling from their frame. It doesn't take much to smash them with a hammer.
It's always an ongoing debate whether it's better to lock your doors when parked at a trailhead or to roll the windows down and keep the doors unlocked.
Breaking into parked cars is not even in the same ballpark as armed robbery.
Just saying .....
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Someone online was saying that you can carry a firearm while on hiking trails. But didn't want to post up the citation for it. I thought it was only hunting areas.
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Someone online was saying that you can carry a firearm while on hiking trails. But didn't want to post up the citation for it. I thought it was only hunting areas.
cannot cite the law because it's illegal unless you are a licensed hunter in a hunting area
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Someone online was saying that you can carry a firearm while on hiking trails. But didn't want to post up the citation for it. I thought it was only hunting areas.
§134-5 Possession by licensed hunters and minors; target shooting; game hunting.
(a) Any person of the age of sixteen years, or over or any person under the age of sixteen years
while accompanied by an adult, may carry and use any lawfully acquired rifle or shotgun and suitable ammunition
while actually engaged in hunting or target shooting
or while going to and from the place of hunting or target shooting;
provided that the person has procured a hunting license under chapter 183D, part II.
A hunting license shall not be required for persons engaged in target shooting.
Looks like a hunting (hiking?) trail qualifies if you're going to hunt or coming back.
Don't think they expect you to parachute into a "hunting area". Of course, guessing what "they" think is often impossible!
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Breaking into parked cars is not even in the same ballpark as armed robbery.
Just saying .....
Didn't mean to imply that it was.
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Didn't mean to imply that it was.
Then, maybe you can help me out? What does "cars at the beach with realtor key boxes" have to do with the story in the OP?
Just wondering if I missed the actual point.
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Looks like a hunting (hiking?) trail qualifies if you're going to hunt or coming back.
Don't think they expect you to parachute into a "hunting area". Of course, guessing what "they" think is often impossible!
ah, but you can only "use" a firearm at a range, or in a hunting area (if in season and licensed), or at home (if you are in fear of being raped, murdered, or sodomized)
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Looks like a hunting (hiking?) trail qualifies if you're going to hunt or coming back.
Don't think they expect you to parachute into a "hunting area". Of course, guessing what "they" think is often impossible!
Not all hikes are in hunting zones though was my point I tried to make to them.
Thanks for the link though
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Then, maybe you can help me out? What does "cars at the beach with realtor key boxes" have to do with the story in the OP?
Just wondering if I missed the actual point.
There are many crimes that can occur on DLNR land. The most common being car break ins and stolen vehicles. There was a lady a few years back who placed her keys in one of those magnetic key boxes and placed it under her wheel well to go snorkeling. Her car was gone when she got back. I believe she finally got it back with all her stuff gone and car stripped. What likely happened is that someone in the parking lot saw her place the key under the car and waited for her to leave. I made sure I placed distinguishing bumper stickers on the back of my car. There are many many white SUVs on this island with honu stickers.
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Been there many times. Lots of people go there.
Pretty big balls to hit somebody there.
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ah, but you can only "use" a firearm at a range, or in a hunting area (if in season and licensed), or at home (if you are in fear of being raped, murdered, or sodomized)
Self defense is a legal use of a firearm if carried legally. Until threatened, you weren't breaking any laws if actually going to/from hunting or target practice.
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ah, but you can only "use" a firearm at a range, or in a hunting area (if in season and licensed), or at home (if you are in fear of being raped, murdered, or sodomized)
Since I moved here almost 3 years ago and from talking to people, I have learned:
1. 75% of the homes in my area and probably most of Puna have guns.
2. All of the ones I talked to say they would shoot someone stealing their stuff.
I do know that the numerous wild pigs around here will make a naked dead body disappear in a day or two. That's how I get rid of dead chickens.
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http://khon2.com/2017/06/20/woman-robbed-at-gunpoint-on-popular-hiking-trail/
According to Police and DLNR, to protect youself from someone robbing you with a gun. Never go hiking alone (so the gunman can rob more than one person) beware of your surroundings (so you can get everything ready for him) and secure your belongings (so you have a harder time giving it up quickly)
I think what you really need to do is to go hiking with more than 10 people so the perp won't have enough bullets for everyone. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I think what you really need to do is to go hiking with more than 10 people so the perp won't have enough bullets for everyone. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I'm pretty sure that was the rationale for not giving a hearing to senator Gabbard's 17 round handgun mag bill... it'd be too hard to get together a party of 18 hikers, but 11 is doable. And they know that the criminals follow the 10 round mag bill... just like they follow all other laws except robbery. :shaka:
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I'm pretty sure that was the rationale for not giving a hearing to senator Gabbard's 17 round handgun mag bill... it'd be too hard to get together a party of 18 hikers, but 11 is doable. And they know that the criminals follow the 10 round mag bill... just like they follow all other laws except robbery. :shaka:
I think what you really need to do is to go hiking with more than 10 people so the perp won't have enough bullets for everyone. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Good thinking, and like punaperson said, the whole point of being a criminal is breaking the laws. Better make it at least a group of 32+, can't forget about the one in the chamber :thumbsup:
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Dang. I go up there all the time.
It's up the road from my house.
Saw the DLNR officer up there that evening at the caretakers house but thought someone was illegally hunting.
Someone online was saying that you can carry a firearm while on hiking trails. But didn't want to post up the citation for it. I thought it was only hunting areas.
Even if you go into a legal hunting area, like Manana trail in Pearl City, gotta be sure to have a valid hunting license and legal hunting firearm to carry a handgun.
All kind of restrictions on handguns you can legally hunt with. Don't take your 9mm with you.
(11) With respect to the use of handguns and handgun ammunition, the following conditions and restrictions shall apply:
(A) No person under the age of 18 years shall hunt game mammals with a handgun.
(B) Center fire handguns shall have a minimum barrel length of four and one-half (4 1/2) inches for single shot pistols and revolvers and five (5) inches for semi- automatic pistols.
(C) Straight-wall cartridge ammunition shall be 357 caliber or larger with a minimum case length of one and one-fourth (1 1/4) inches (Exceptions: The 10 mm auto mag and 45 win mag cartridges are allowed despite their shorter case length).
(D) Necked rifle-type cartridge ammunition shall be 223 caliber or larger.
(E) All handgun bullets of less than 43 caliber (.429 inch) shall be of the expanding type. Bullets of 43 caliber (.429 inch) which do not expand shall be of the flat- nosed (semi-wadcutter) or round-nosed exposed lead type.
(F) Single or double barreled muzzleloading handguns shall be 44 caliber or larger, have a barrel length of at least nine (9) inches and use at least 60 grains of black powder or equivalent, and use a projectile of at least two hundred (200) grains weight (slug or round ball of 51 caliber or more).
(G) It is prohibited to use any “muzzleloading" (black powder type) revolver or smooth bore pistol when hunting without dogs.
(H) Handguns shall not be carried concealed; however, open topped and flapped protective type holsters which cover the handgun handle are allowed. All handguns and holsters must be worn in plain view, external to all clothing or rain gear; and
(I) When handgun hunting with dogs, certain exceptions shall apply as listed in section (c)(1) below.
http://dlnr.hawaii.gov/huntered/files/2013/05/MammalHuntingRegs_Chap123.pdf
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All kind of restrictions on handguns you can legally hunt with. Don't take your 9mm with you.
So no mongoose hunting with my 22 pistol... dang!
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Dang. I go up there all the time.
It's up the road from my house.
Saw the DLNR officer up there that evening at the caretakers house but thought someone was illegally hunting.
Even if you go into a legal hunting area, like Manana trail in Pearl City, gotta be sure to have a valid hunting license and legal hunting firearm to carry a handgun.
All kind of restrictions on handguns you can legally hunt with. Don't take your 9mm with you.
(11) With respect to the use of handguns and handgun ammunition, the following conditions and restrictions shall apply:
(A) No person under the age of 18 years shall hunt game mammals with a handgun.
(B) Center fire handguns shall have a minimum barrel length of four and one-half (4 1/2) inches for single shot pistols and revolvers and five (5) inches for semi- automatic pistols.
(C) Straight-wall cartridge ammunition shall be 357 caliber or larger with a minimum case length of one and one-fourth (1 1/4) inches (Exceptions: The 10 mm auto mag and 45 win mag cartridges are allowed despite their shorter case length).
(D) Necked rifle-type cartridge ammunition shall be 223 caliber or larger.
(E) All handgun bullets of less than 43 caliber (.429 inch) shall be of the expanding type. Bullets of 43 caliber (.429 inch) which do not expand shall be of the flat- nosed (semi-wadcutter) or round-nosed exposed lead type.
(F) Single or double barreled muzzleloading handguns shall be 44 caliber or larger, have a barrel length of at least nine (9) inches and use at least 60 grains of black powder or equivalent, and use a projectile of at least two hundred (200) grains weight (slug or round ball of 51 caliber or more).
(G) It is prohibited to use any “muzzleloading" (black powder type) revolver or smooth bore pistol when hunting without dogs.
(H) Handguns shall not be carried concealed; however, open topped and flapped protective type holsters which cover the handgun handle are allowed. All handguns and holsters must be worn in plain view, external to all clothing or rain gear; and
(I) When handgun hunting with dogs, certain exceptions shall apply as listed in section (c)(1) below.
http://dlnr.hawaii.gov/huntered/files/2013/05/MammalHuntingRegs_Chap123.pdf
But other than that, and all the bans on all the other kinds of weapons, and the fact that one can't carry at all anywhere else, the Second Amendment applies, right?
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Of course.
So long as you have a .45 Win Mag.
( :wtf: is that?)
Who comes up with this shit?
Of course there's exceptions if you have a big dog. :wacko:
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Of course.
So long as you have a .45 Win Mag.
( :wtf: is that?)
Who comes up with this shit?
Idiots. I'd think that's pretty clear by now.
Of course there's exceptions if you have a big dog. :wacko:
Actually, if you read it, you need more than one dog: "dogs", plural. What really surprises me is that they have no requirements for the dogs: you know, must be registered, have proof of training, etc. So, hypothetically of course, a guy out there with one "true" "hunting dog" could be prosecuted, but the guy out there with two miniature Pomeranians would be good to go. Like I said: Idiots. Mostly lawyer idiots.
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Dang. I go up there all the time.
It's up the road from my house.
Saw the DLNR officer up there that evening at the caretakers house but thought someone was illegally hunting.
Even if you go into a legal hunting area, like Manana trail in Pearl City, gotta be sure to have a valid hunting license and legal hunting firearm to carry a handgun.
All kind of restrictions on handguns you can legally hunt with. Don't take your 9mm with you.
(11) With respect to the use of handguns and handgun ammunition, the following conditions and restrictions shall apply:
(A) No person under the age of 18 years shall hunt game mammals with a handgun.
(B) Center fire handguns shall have a minimum barrel length of four and one-half (4 1/2) inches for single shot pistols and revolvers and five (5) inches for semi- automatic pistols.
(C) Straight-wall cartridge ammunition shall be 357 caliber or larger with a minimum case length of one and one-fourth (1 1/4) inches (Exceptions: The 10 mm auto mag and 45 win mag cartridges are allowed despite their shorter case length).
(D) Necked rifle-type cartridge ammunition shall be 223 caliber or larger.
(E) All handgun bullets of less than 43 caliber (.429 inch) shall be of the expanding type. Bullets of 43 caliber (.429 inch) which do not expand shall be of the flat- nosed (semi-wadcutter) or round-nosed exposed lead type.
(F) Single or double barreled muzzleloading handguns shall be 44 caliber or larger, have a barrel length of at least nine (9) inches and use at least 60 grains of black powder or equivalent, and use a projectile of at least two hundred (200) grains weight (slug or round ball of 51 caliber or more).
(G) It is prohibited to use any “muzzleloading" (black powder type) revolver or smooth bore pistol when hunting without dogs.
(H) Handguns shall not be carried concealed; however, open topped and flapped protective type holsters which cover the handgun handle are allowed. All handguns and holsters must be worn in plain view, external to all clothing or rain gear; and
(I) When handgun hunting with dogs, certain exceptions shall apply as listed in section (c)(1) below.
http://dlnr.hawaii.gov/huntered/files/2013/05/MammalHuntingRegs_Chap123.pdf
Thanks man.
That's what I was trying to tell others, a hiking trail isn't necessarily a hunting area, so you still can't carry
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(B) Center fire handguns shall have a minimum barrel length of four and one-half (4 1/2) inches for single shot pistols and revolvers and five (5) inches for semi- automatic pistols.
(C) Straight-wall cartridge ammunition shall be 357 caliber or larger with a minimum case length of one and one-fourth (1 1/4) inches (Exceptions: The 10 mm auto mag and 45 win mag cartridges are allowed despite their shorter case length).
(E) All handgun bullets of less than 43 caliber (.429 inch) shall be of the expanding type. Bullets of 43 caliber (.429 inch) which do not expand shall be of the flat- nosed (semi-wadcutter) or round-nosed exposed lead type.
I got those covered. :thumbsup:
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Yup. I guess my S&W 686 Plus 6" could come in handy for more than a fun range gun. I'll have to buy some .357 Mag ammo though. . .
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Actually, if you read it, you need more than one dog: "dogs", plural. What really surprises me is that they have no requirements for the dogs: you know, must be registered, have proof of training, etc. So, hypothetically of course, a guy out there with one "true" "hunting dog" could be prosecuted, but the guy out there with two miniature Pomeranians would be good to go. Like I said: Idiots. Mostly lawyer idiots.
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Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on June 20, 2017, 08:35:54 PM
Then, maybe you can help me out? What does "cars at the beach with realtor key boxes" have to do with the story in the OP?
Just wondering if I missed the actual point.
There are many crimes that can occur on DLNR land. The most common being car break ins and stolen vehicles. There was a lady a few years back who placed her keys in one of those magnetic key boxes and placed it under her wheel well to go snorkeling. Her car was gone when she got back. I believe she finally got it back with all her stuff gone and car stripped. What likely happened is that someone in the parking lot saw her place the key under the car and waited for her to leave. I made sure I placed distinguishing bumper stickers on the back of my car. There are many many white SUVs on this island with honu stickers.
A magnetic key box is not even comparable to a realtor key box. ::)
Quote from: rklapp on June 20, 2017, 06:46:48 PM
" It amazes me when I see cars at beaches with realtor key boxes dangling from their frame. It doesn't take much to smash them with a hammer."
Are you really going to try and bang a dangling lock box with a hammer ? :wacko:
First you must cut the lock box hasp off of the lock box to get it off of the vehicle (bolt cutters), and secondly, it is apparently obvious that you have never tried to "smash them with a hammer."
It takes a while even when smashed with a heavy hammer between concrete as the metal is a malleable soft cast which may crack but does not shatter.
There is an "easier way" that still takes about 5 minutes but OPSEC does not allow me to share. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Posted by: punaperson
« on: June 21, 2017, 09:53:54 AM
What really surprises me is that they have no requirements for the dogs: you know, must be registered, have proof of training, etc.
25 years ago when I moved to the north shore, it was not uncommon to see packs of dogs (including runaway hunting dogs) on the trails.
Never went on them w/o machete.
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Those realtor style lock boxes are stupid easy to open and can be done with a hammer in less then a minute, They are not designed to stop some one stealing the key but are designed to allow some one easy access to it when needed,
Most of them can be picked relatively easily as well.
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I would never go hiking without carrying a 5-6 ft walking stick and a machete. Both are very useful in addition to providing some protection against 2 and 4 legged animals.