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General Topics => Off Topic => Topic started by: Dregs on February 15, 2012, 07:24:48 AM
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Post I found trawling the internetz.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/14/issa-takes-step-toward-holding-holder-in-contempt-of-congress/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/14/issa-takes-step-toward-holding-holder-in-contempt-of-congress/)
Posted by "Crooklyn Boy"
Crooklyn Boy
Have you seen the electorate map lately, Lawrence. If you did you wouldn't be to quick to use the word loser. You see, the problem with Obama isn't the near $6 trillion in borrowing in just three years, [these numbers all need to be updated, they have gotten worse since I wrote this] the radical growth in the size of the federal government and its regulatory zeal, ObamaCare, the Boeing plant closure threat, the green jobs sweet-heart deals and Van Jones-like “Millions of Green Jobs” nonsense, the vast expansion in food stamps and unemployment pay-outs, the reversal of the Chrysler creditors, politically driven interference in the car industry, the failed efforts to get card check and cap and trade, the moratoria on new drilling in the Gulf, the general antipathy to new fossil fuel exploitation coupled with new finds of vast new reserves, the new financial regulations, an aggressive EPA oblivious to the effects of its advocacy on jobs, the threatened close-down of energy plants, the support for idling thousands of acres of irrigated farmland due to environmental regulations, the constant talk of higher taxes, the needlessly provocative rhetoric of “fat cat”, “millionaires and billionaires,” “corporate jet owners,” etc. juxtaposed, in hypocritical fashion, to Martha’s Vineyard, Costa del Sol, and Vail First Family getaways, the 17 day Hawaiin vacation, not to mention gun running, oil spill paralysis, black panther scandals, suing Arizona, on and on and on.
It was just announced that last month’s unemployment is still above 9% — despite the nearly five trillion dollars in Keynesian pump-priming, the near zero interest rates, the expanded unemployment and food stamp support, and the government takeovers and subsidies of businesses. There is a scary sort of deer-in-the-headlights look about Obama and Biden that is quite disturbing, as if they are thinking, “This was not supposed to happened to us. Geithner, Goolsbee, Orszag, Romer, Summers assured us that all this borrowing would turn things around — but they are all gone or leaving, so now we are alone? What to do? Hmmm. More them/us class warfare rhetoric? Embrace more of the California/Illinois/New York blue-state model? More European Union emulation? A national high-speed rail jobs program? Bring back Van Jones and “millions of green jobs”? Borrow another $5 trillion? Maybe negative interest rates? Seventy-five million on food stamps? Four years of unemployment insurance? A new Department of Jobs? Call in Jimmy Carter for advice about 1979? $100 billion more in green subsidies to progressive caring companies? Take over Ford? Another speech from Buffett? Unleash the Congressional Black Caucus?”
We have all heard ad nauseam that an eight-month-old Republican-controlled Congress has stopped Obama’s legislative agenda for three years.
No worries, all is well. Just keep whistling past the grave yard.
Ignore the polls, they are all wrong.
Ignore the weekly unemployment numbers and the jobs numbers, they lie too.
Ignore the repeated revisions, for the worse, to the weeks previous numbers. They are even bigger lies.
Ignore the inflation numbers. Prices have not gone up.
Ignore the despair you see around you. Those are jut upside down smiles.
Ignore the constant vacations, on our dime, Barry indulges in.
Ignore how he plays the average American, read the working stiff, as the fool.
Ignore the trillions he has urinated away with no benefit at all to anyone but his pals.
Ignore the blatant arrogance.
And...
Ignore the last two special elections.
They are not warning alarms. His ship is not sinking.
Nov 6th 2012 will be a landslide, You can bet the farm on that.
And we will soon after be rid of this nightmare of incompetence and destruction.
All will be well soon as he's long gone.
Obama’s problem is it’s not 2007 anymore. Obama is a known Quantity now. Obama was elected based on a manufactured persona, a lie, put forward by the DNC and the fawning media. And who is Barack Hussein Obama?
Obama is the 1st president in the history of the USA who is not a cultural American, and it shows. No other president, except Jimmy Carter, has ever run down his country to the world as Obama has. Obama has denigrated the people of America shamelessly, and he has no idea of who we are because he is not one of us.
Obama was raised far outside of mainstream American culture. His upbringing was by socialists who indoctrinated him from day one to be a hardcore marxist ideologue. Obama was taught to loath the middle class and to use radical rules to attack it. Since before he was elected Obama has been tearing down the USA and the middle class which he fooled into voting for him.
Obama was billed to be all things to all people. A pseudo-mythical messiah-like figure that rose mysteriously with no background yet was a towering intellect who could solve all our problems. Obama is a man of slogans, and was "going to hit the ground running", and "ready to lead on day one". He was going to be the post racial president who would unite the USA and lead us into a new era of enlightenment and renewed respect in the world of nations. Only now we know this all to be a farce.
To those of us who took the time to investigate Obama while the fawning media failed to vette him it comes as no surprise that Obama is a failure. Anyone who tried to point out his radicalism, his criminal associates, terrorist friends, his racist church where he sat for 20 years listening to hatred of America and Americans was branded as a racist. It turns out that everything Sean Hannity reported about Obama's past was true.
And now we know that Obama is a shallow self-serving man of little experience who constantly resorts to demagoguery of those who oppose his radical agenda. He makes denigrating generalizations of broad swathes of the population and makes it clear he is only the president of those who voted for him and support him. We are much worse off as a nation than we were before Obama and have more than a year of this arrogant fool to endure. The best thing we can do is to vote out every democrat and take away any political power this "president" has. Let's all watch this impostor vacation and golf and travel the world in Air Force One at our expense while we continue without an inspirational leader and scratch our heads in wonder at the absurd Political Correctness that got us such a ludicrous president.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/14/issa-takes-step-toward-holding-holder-in-contempt-of-congress/#ixzz1mTKyniLI (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/14/issa-takes-step-toward-holding-holder-in-contempt-of-congress/#ixzz1mTKyniLI)
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Name one thing Obama has done good? I cant think of any!
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He's personally responsible for taking out Osama. :worship:
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Speedtek, the people Obama serves would ask you, "name one thing He HASN'T done good?!"
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He's personally responsible for taking out Osama. :worship:
Reminding us he is a nobel prize winner
Made sure BPA clean up the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico
Help the rebel overthrow Gaddafi.
Help mend relations North and South Korea with "Jong Il being dead" I can see him saying that like a true politician
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Name one thing Obama has done good? I cant think of any!
He has expedited us on the way to hyper inflation with +6 trillion in additional federal debt and by firing up the printing presses. >:D
Yee ha!!! Can anyone say Zimbabwe? Google it if you have never seen a 100 billion dollar note (with an expiration date).
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People bitch about Obama but take a look at the shit storm he inherited from Bush who is likely the dumbest president in American history. :wtf: I give Obama a A for the effort he put in and the hard decisions that he had to make with crap ass cards he was dealt. He ended that bull shit war that bush started in Iraq, mind you bush lied about the WMD's so his buddies could reap major profits. He actually caught and killed Osama. The same Osama who bush let his family leave the country after 911. I say he tried. At least, he tried to improve the situation. Take a good hard look at the 2 idiots Romney, and that other guy. Both dumb asses. Everyone that bitches about Obama will end up bitching about them. I'm voting for Obama again. Why, I believe he is the lesser of the 3 evils. BTW the end of the world is in December so does it really matter. :shake: :shake: :rofl:
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People bitch about Obama but take a look at the shit storm he inherited from Bush who is likely the dumbest president in American history. :wtf: I give Obama a A for the effort he put in and the hard decisions that he had to make with crap ass cards he was dealt. He ended that bull shit war that bush started in Iraq, mind you bush lied about the WMD's so his buddies could reap major profits. He actually caught and killed Osama. The same Osama who bush let his family leave the country after 911. I say he tried. At least, he tried to improve the situation. Take a good hard look at the 2 idiots Romney, and that other guy. Both dumb asses. Everyone that bitches about Obama will end up bitching about them. I'm voting for Obama again. Why, I believe he is the lesser of the 3 evils. BTW the end of the world is in December so does it really matter. :shake: :shake: :rofl:
I seriously hope you're kidding but if you aren't
*sigh* here we go (again) and I hate to just copy and paste for the umpteenth time but........
.....if Bush lied then so did these people.
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002
"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002
"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America�s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002
"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam�s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq�s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration�s policy towards Iraq, I don�t think there can be any question about Saddam�s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
Mind you at the time when then President Bush said that we were going into Iraq to disarm Saddam of his WMD's my initial reaction was "Only Now"? Chatter was talked about years before. However at the time he was my Commander in Chief so I had to reserve comment.
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People bitch about Obama but take a look at the shit storm he inherited from Bush who is likely the dumbest president in American history. :wtf: I give Obama a A for the effort he put in and the hard decisions that he had to make with crap ass cards he was dealt. He ended that bull shit war that bush started in Iraq, mind you bush lied about the WMD's so his buddies could reap major profits. He actually caught and killed Osama. The same Osama who bush let his family leave the country after 911. I say he tried. At least, he tried to improve the situation. Take a good hard look at the 2 idiots Romney, and that other guy. Both dumb asses. Everyone that bitches about Obama will end up bitching about them. I'm voting for Obama again. Why, I believe he is the lesser of the 3 evils. BTW the end of the world is in December so does it really matter. :shake: :shake: :rofl:
I tried to warn you about the lead. Now look what has happened.
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A liberal on a gun forum? Really? ???
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I tried to warn you about the lead. Now look what has happened.
hahaha
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A liberal on a gun forum? Really? ???
They're out there some of them are really confused like a friend of mine (proclaimed liberal) who owns firearms but states the the 2nd Amendment is being misinterpreted by fellow gun owners. Bottom line he's a lawyer so that in itself say alot. He did enjoy shooting my modded Remington 700PSS and my LWRC AR. Go figure....... :-\
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(Biting my tongue) I hope he is just being sarcastic! :crazy:
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I seriously hope you're kidding but if you aren't
*sigh* here we go (again) and I hate to just copy and paste for the umpteenth time but........
.....if Bush lied then so did these people.
Mind you at the time when then President Bush said that we were going into Iraq to disarm Saddam of his WMD's my initial reaction was "Only Now"? Chatter was talked about years before. However at the time he was my Commander in Chief so I had to reserve comment.
There was a lot of, "we Think", "evidence may lead to", "reports indicate", "as far as we know", "may contain",we should assume", "what i think to be", and best of all "I believe" statements in those reports.After all of that the fact remains that they didnt find shit....
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There was a lot of, "we Think", "evidence may lead to", "reports indicate", "as far as we know", "may contain",we should assume", "what i think to be", and best of all "I believe" statements in those reports.After all of that the fact remains that they didnt find shit....
You're right they didn't find anything and for that "AMERICA WAS WRONG". So where did Bush lie again?
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You're right they didn't find anything and for that "AMERICA WAS WRONG". So where did Bush lie again?
America was not wrong... Bush was wrong. He was the head of state and Ultimately he made the final decision. Was his decision biased because he wanted to finish what his father started? Only he knows.
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I voting for obummer cause he from Hawaii :shaka:
>:D
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There was a lot of, "we Think", "evidence may lead to", "reports indicate", "as far as we know", "may contain",we should assume", "what i think to be", and best of all "I believe" statements in those reports.After all of that the fact remains that they didnt find shit....
It is a proven fact that Saddam had WMD's. That is not something we can disagree about. He used them against Iran and his own people. Proven fact, no argument can be brought against. We found the shells that he used to deliver gas attacks. The only question is what did he do with the chemicals before we got there. We suspect he sent them to Iran along with their fighter jets. We went in there to rid Iraq of those weapons. And because we know they had them and were willing to use them and they were removed before we got there means we did what we went in there for. Just because we didn't find the chemicals doesn't mean we were not successful in ridding a sworn enemy of WMD's.
Let's also remember and give credit where due that Bush had an agenda to leave Iraq before he left office. Why don't you give him credit for that? The only difference is that Obama pushed the schedule up. You really should tell the whole story and not just part of it. Otherwise you won't have any credibility here.
Don't get me wrong. I didn't like Bush as president. I didn't vote for him. I didn't agree with him starting the war. In hindsight I still feel that way. But I just stated facts all as they occurred. I didn't just tell a portion of the whole story to suit my political feelings.
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People bitch about Obama but take a look at the shit storm he inherited from Bush who is likely the dumbest president in American history. :wtf: I give Obama a A for the effort he put in and the hard decisions that he had to make with crap ass cards he was dealt. He ended that bull shit war that bush started in Iraq, mind you bush lied about the WMD's so his buddies could reap major profits. He actually caught and killed Osama. The same Osama who bush let his family leave the country after 911. I say he tried. At least, he tried to improve the situation. Take a good hard look at the 2 idiots Romney, and that other guy. Both dumb asses. Everyone that bitches about Obama will end up bitching about them. I'm voting for Obama again. Why, I believe he is the lesser of the 3 evils. BTW the end of the world is in December so does it really matter. :shake: :shake: :rofl:
Do you also believe in the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, and santa claus? I would bet that you believe that the entitlements provided by our illustrious government (with our tax dollars of course) are not sufficient. Deny it if you dare!
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America was not wrong... Bush was wrong. He was the head of state and Ultimately he made the final decision. Was his decision biased because he wanted to finish what his father started? Only he knows.
And ok I'll roll with you on that America wasn't wrong:
Just Bush and.....
Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, Bob Graham, Harold Ford, Tom Lantos, Tom Harkin, Arlen Specter, Madeline Albright, Barbara Boxer, Robert Byrd, Wesley Clark, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen, John Edwards, Dick Gephardt, Al Gore, Bob Graham, Jim Jeffords, Ted Kennedy, Carl Levin, Patty Murray, Nancy Pelosi, John Rockefeller, Henry Waxman....along with some of the most influential people in Washington DC at the moment that decisions were made.
They were wrong and not America because we know when American Troops delpoy overseas we raised the flag of George W Bush and not the American flag. And for all the problems that America is experiencing now Obama is truly to blame because he is either not effectively doing anything about it or accepts full blame for just ignoring the issue. Obama is head of state now, so let the blaming begin. GAME ON!
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It is a proven fact that Saddam had WMD's. That is not something we can disagree about. He used them against Iran and his own people. Proven fact, no argument can be brought against. We found the shells that he used to deliver gas attacks. The only question is what did he do with the chemicals before we got there. We suspect he sent them to Iran along with their fighter jets. We went in there to rid Iraq of those weapons. And because we know they had them and were willing to use them and they were removed before we got there means we did what we went in there for. Just because we didn't find the chemicals doesn't mean we were not successful in ridding a sworn enemy of WMD's.
Let's also remember and give credit where due that Bush had an agenda to leave Iraq before he left office. Why don't you give him credit for that? The only difference is that Obama pushed the schedule up. You really should tell the whole story and not just part of it. Otherwise you won't have any credibility here.
Don't get me wrong. I didn't like Bush as president. I didn't vote for him. I didn't agree with him starting the war. In hindsight I still feel that way. But I just stated facts all as they occurred. I didn't just tell a portion of the whole story to suit my political feelings.
The reason why bush was so confident that Iraq had chemical weapons is because the US gave it to him when Iraq was fighing Iran in the 1980's. And yes it was George Bush Sr. That was responsible for building Iraq's military into the threat that they were. The US actually had Iraq removed from the countries that support terrorists list in 1982 so that they could share intell and weapons with them to assist in the Iran/Iraq war.
On May 25, 1994, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee released a report in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."
The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."
Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said: U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.
Iraq purchased 8 strains of weaponized anthrax from the US in 1985. Some of which was identified in these inspections.
How's them apples...
Once again Bush might of had the AGENDA to leave Iraq before he left office, but once again he failed to produce.... Bush and his cabinet "assumed" that Iraq would still have a surplus of US manufactured biological weapons still around when we invaded. But to his surprise they were no where to be found. He likely sold them to the highest bidder.
Hummm. You still want the whole story? Look it up before you question my credibility.
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Do you also believe in the tooth fairy, the easter bunny, and santa claus? I would bet that you believe that the entitlements provided by our illustrious government (with our tax dollars of course) are not sufficient. Deny it if you dare!
I believe in the Easter bunny and Santa claus. The tooth fairy is nothing but I figment of my imagination.
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The reason why bush was so confident that Iraq had chemical weapons is because the US gave it to him when Iraq was fighing Iran in the 1980's. And yes it was George Bush Sr. That was responsible for building Iraq's military into the threat that they were. The US actually had Iraq removed from the countries that support terrorists list in 1982 so that they could share intell and weapons with them to assist in the Iran/Iraq war.
On May 25, 1994, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee released a report in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."
The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."
Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said: U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.
Iraq purchased 8 strains of weaponized anthrax from the US in 1985. Some of which was identified in these inspections.
How's them apples...
Once again Bush might of had the AGENDA to leave Iraq before he left office, but once again he failed to produce.... Bush and his cabinet "assumed" that Iraq would still have a surplus of US manufactured biological weapons still around when we invaded. But to his surprise they were no where to be found. He likely sold them to the highest bidder.
Hummm. You still want the whole story? Look it up before you question my credibility.
So now you're saying Bush Didn't Lie?
As for the planned draw down of Iraq prior to Bush's departure was mainly due to Iraq's own accord (correct me if I'm wrong). Iraq had finally agreed to a draw down timetable. Prior to the agreement Democrats were demanding a withdrawal timetable and Iraq was stating that they weren't fully capable of standing up on their own at the time. At this point in time of the war I was torn, I was torn that we went in and turned that country upside down and Politicians back in America wanted troops home ASAP regardless of the damage we caused there. I do look at the war as a mistake, but it couldn't have been foretold that way that it been based on the resources that was established at the time. But as the saying goes "Hindsight is always 20/20".
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So now you're saying Bush Didn't Lie?
No, he lied. At no time did Bush come out and tell the truth by saying "We are invading Iraq because my dad gave them biological weapons that they tested on their own people and will likely use against us or sell to Iran" his cabinet continually said that Iraq is a supporter of terrorism, which they were since the 70's, and they were producing WMD's. He left out the fact that his father supplied, and trained Iraq in the manufacture and implementation of weaponized biological WMD's.
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No, he lied. At no time did Bush come out and tell the truth by saying "We are invading Iraq because my dad gave them biological weapons that they tested on their own people and will likely use against us or sell to Iran" his cabinet continually said that Iraq is a supporter of terrorism, which they were since the 70's, and they were producing WMD's. He left out the fact that his father supplied, and trained Iraq in the manufacture and implementation of weaponized biological WMD's.
Just so we're fully clear on your comment of "He Lied" it's because he lied for not telling everyone that we're going to Iraq based on intel that we sold weapons to Iraq? So Bush didn't lie about WMD's just the fact that he didn't tell America that his father sold the weapons to Iraq. And because he was the Head of State no one else knew this intel because he is the sole decision maker correct?
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Just so we're fully clear on your comment of "He Lied" it's because he lied for not telling everyone that we're going to Iraq based on intel that we sold weapons to Iraq? So Bush didn't lie about WMD's just the fact that he didn't tell America that his father sold the weapons to Iraq. And because he was the Head of State no one else knew this intel because he is the sole decision maker correct?
I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say you were army or marines.
Without drawing a picture....The word intell means that it was raw data gathered and disseminated by a 3rd party. ie: outside of his cabinet. That was not intell in his case. It was common knowledge known by all parties in the decision making process. Bush used WMD's and as his primary driving force for invading Iraq even though there was no tangible evidence proving that Iraq was producing its OWN Iraqi engineered WMD. In fact the only tangible evidence found during the inspections pointed the finger back at the US. Now this is where all of those names that you mentioned earlier comes in, and it has to do with the stability of the middle east and the US interests in the region and a Iraqi dictator that would not play ball on the right side of the court. You can put the puzzle together on your own I hope. Then again, we are way off topic.
Vote Obama..... Because the rest of the candidates are idiots.
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The reason why bush was so confident that Iraq had chemical weapons is because the US gave it to him when Iraq was fighing Iran in the 1980's. And yes it was George Bush Sr. That was responsible for building Iraq's military into the threat that they were. The US actually had Iraq removed from the countries that support terrorists list in 1982 so that they could share intell and weapons with them to assist in the Iran/Iraq war.
On May 25, 1994, the U.S. Senate Banking Committee released a report in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."
The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."
Donald Riegle, Chairman of the Senate committee that authored the aforementioned Riegle Report, said: U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.
Iraq purchased 8 strains of weaponized anthrax from the US in 1985. Some of which was identified in these inspections.
How's them apples...
Once again Bush might of had the AGENDA to leave Iraq before he left office, but once again he failed to produce.... Bush and his cabinet "assumed" that Iraq would still have a surplus of US manufactured biological weapons still around when we invaded. But to his surprise they were no where to be found. He likely sold them to the highest bidder.
Hummm. You still want the whole story? Look it up before you question my credibility.
I happen to like these apples! You just help prove my point and so you can't say Bush lied about Iraq having WMD's. Actually, I am not sure why you posted this as it seems to go against what you are saying and just adds to what I said. Whether I agree with giving Iraq chemical weapons or not is a different subject for a different time. Just remember that at that time we were friendly with Iraq and they were losing the war with Iran. And we stood to lose quite a bit by allowing Iraq to be wiped off the map. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying I agree with what occurred, I am just telling the whole story as to what was happening at the time what you said occurred. Whether we like it or not there was a reason for it.
Bush had an agenda before he left office for the troops to leave a couple of years after he left office and Obama pushed up the schedule I am not sure how you can say Bush failed to produce?
It could very well be true that Bush and his cabinet "Assumed" there would be biological weapons left when we invaded Iraq. I don't know this as a fact. But even if true, the stated purpose for us to invade Iraq was to keep Iraq from having and using these weapons again and to remove Saddam from power. We did all that. The fact that we didn't find what we all agree they had is only consequential in regards to having the technology fall into the hands of an enemy. Fact is we still don't know what happened to them. So we don't know if they ended up in enemy hands. I suspect they did (Iran). It has nothing to do with lying or failing. I personally think the failure was to give the technology to iraq in the first place. But again that is another subject for another time.
I questioned your credibility because you made some statements that just were slanted one way politically because you didn't tell the whole story. Telling the whole truth including both sides of the issue encourages debate. Telling one sided slanted your way political statements only brings on arguments.
Peace Bruddah :shaka:
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I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say you were army or marines.
Without drawing a picture....The word intell means that it was raw data gathered and disseminated by a 3rd party. ie: outside of his cabinet. That was not intell in his case. It was common knowledge known by all parties in the decision making process. Bush used WMD's and as his primary driving force for invading Iraq even though there was no tangible evidence proving that Iraq was producing its OWN Iraqi engineered WMD. In fact the only tangible evidence found during the inspections pointed the finger back at the US. Now this is where all of those names that you mentioned earlier comes in, and it has to do with the stability of the middle east and the US interests in the region and a Iraqi dictator that would not play ball on the right side of the court. You can put the puzzle together on your own I hope. Then again, we are way off topic.
Vote Obama..... Because the rest of the candidates are idiots.
So now he didn't lie?
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Didn't Bush say in his book that Iraq had WMDs but he didnt want to scare the American people with what type of WMDs they had? The Media would never tell this stuff.
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So now he didn't lie?
Not telling the truth equals lie. Thats morals 101.
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Not telling the truth equals lie. Thats morals 101.
With that said then they all lied (not just Bush). All parties involved in the decision making process which includes Congress and the Senate (Democrats and Republicans). They all knew and failed to tell the American People the full truth.
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If that makes you sleep better at night. :wacko:
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If that makes you sleep better at night. :wacko:
LOL Dude you're funny.