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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Inspector on July 11, 2017, 08:47:21 AM
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Nevada marijuana supply running low, state of emergency declared, governor says :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/11/nevada-marijuana-supply-running-low-state-emergency-declared-governor-says.html
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That's hilarious.
I'm in the wrong business.
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Good luck getting WC insurance.
I lived in Vegas for five years and returned last February. We noticed the smell of marijuana every where including the rental car shuttle from the airport.
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Good luck getting WC insurance.
I lived in Vegas for five years and returned last February. We noticed the smell of marijuana every where including the rental car shuttle from the airport.
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next to Disneyland, it's the happiest place on earth
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Perhaps that's not tear gas?
(http://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/baltimore4_15112885_8col.jpg)
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Imagine the scene if they ran out of alcohol:
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.substance.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F10%2FWho-Gets-Addiction-Treatment-in-the-US-revised-Chart-3.jpg&f=1)
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I still maintain that if we allowed recreational marijuana, we could build the light rail completely around the island. I know that would never be allowed with the missionary culture here.
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I still maintain that if we allowed recreational marijuana, we could build the light rail completely around the island. I know that would never be allowed with the missionary culture here.
You mean if the statist tyrant nanny-staters legislated total state control of what is really a personal choice and taxed in a manner that no one would tolerate for any other "product", right? What other plant does the government declare under penalty of prison exactly how many you can have in your yard or home? :wtf: Fuck them all... it's none of their fucking business, any more than the size of handgun magazines is any of their business. And, I'll reiterate, I'm NOT a consumer of cannabis (or alcohol), but am an advocate for personal liberty and freedom, and despise the concept of "victimless crimes" where the elites are supposedly protecting people from only themselves (and no harm is likely even there with cannabis (or handgun magazines over 10 rounds capacity)).
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I still maintain that if we allowed recreational marijuana, we could build the light rail completely around the island. I know that would never be allowed with the missionary culture here.
What light rail? There is no light rail here. :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
One of the things that pisses me off about the rail project is the decision to build the heavy rail system on Hawaii. Why? What do we need with heavy rail here? Light rail would have been just as good and cheaper to build.
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What light rail? There is no light rail here. :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
One of the things that pisses me off about the rail project is the decision to build the heavy rail system on Hawaii. Why? What do we need with heavy rail here? Light rail would have been just as good and cheaper to build.
Compared to Portland's streetcars? That may happen anyway.
In 20 years, every acre of farmland in EB and Kapolei will be housing. The rail system will look like a cheap alternative to the highway system which will probably cost $100B to fix then. Like I said before, we're fucked...
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Compared to Portland's streetcars? That may happen anyway.
In 20 years, every acre of farmland in EB and Kapolei will be housing. The rail system will look like a cheap alternative to the highway system which will probably cost $100B to fix then. Like I said before, we're fucked...
Not sure why you are comparing our heavy rail system to Portland's street cars? Let me know what your comment meant.
I was just letting you know we don't have a light rail system here. We have, and are building, a heavy rail system here in Hawaii.
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Not sure why you are comparing our heavy rail system to Portland's street cars? Let me know what your comment meant.
I was just letting you know we don't have a light rail system here. We have, and are building, a heavy rail system here in Hawaii.
Is Portland's streetcar system what you might call a light rail system? I rode on it last month and it worked well for me. I wonder if Honolulu could transition the heavy rail system up to Middle St to a light rail system down in Honolulu, or would two train systems have to be used. That would suck.
(http://www.stacywitbeck.com/images/project/18/2_pdx-streetcar_withlog_high-view-.jpg)
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Is Portland's streetcar system what you might call a light rail system? I rode on it last month and it worked well for me. I wonder if Honolulu could transition the heavy rail system up to Middle St to a light rail system down in Honolulu, or would two train systems have to be used. That would suck.
(http://www.stacywitbeck.com/images/project/18/2_pdx-streetcar_withlog_high-view-.jpg)
Wow. That photo reminded me of downtown St. Louis in the 50s when I was a kid. Even at that time I saw those "streetcars" as relics of the past, including all the hideous overhead wires running every which way (especially above intersections). I assume that Portland system is solar powered (haven't they banned all geologically-based fuel sources there?), but why all the ugly overhead wires still? Can't they get all the necessary solar generating power equipment on board? I suppose the next "advancement" there will be horse-powered mass transit vehicles (assuming they will have a way to ascertain that all the horses are "volunteers" and not unwilling participants (aka "slaves").
Examples of "light rail" from San Diego and Los Angeles:
(http://www.sandiegohistory.org/collections/streetcar/images/1455-11.jpg)
(https://www.kcet.org/sites/kl/files/thumbnails/image/spring_1884_0.jpeg)
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Is Portland's streetcar system what you might call a light rail system? I rode on it last month and it worked well for me. I wonder if Honolulu could transition the heavy rail system up to Middle St to a light rail system down in Honolulu, or would two train systems have to be used. That would suck.
(http://www.stacywitbeck.com/images/project/18/2_pdx-streetcar_withlog_high-view-.jpg)
No, street car systems are really nothing more than a bus system on rails. They carry a small amount of people and move slow because they are usually built along a street and mix in with traffic. A light rail system carries less people than a heavy rail system and runs slower than heavy rail and is usually built on the ground rather than elevated or underground. But will cross streets at gated crossings as they will have have right of way and run parallel to streets but not within the streets like street cars and buses. A heavy rail system carries a lot more people than light rail, moves fast compared to light rail, and is usually built elevated above ground or below. Basically, light and heavy rails will have their own stations built near bus and street car stations so passengers can transfer from light/heavy rail to bus or street car to reach their final destination. All of this is generally speaking now.
I can use the LA system as an example since I have experience with this. In LA they built 4 light rail systems to transport people from outer areas and other counties into downtown LA. They also built two subways which are heavy rail systems to run under downtown. And all of these can transfer directly to their bus system for further dispersion of passengers.
Los Angeles used to have an all electric mass transit system (Light Rail and Street Cars) called the Red Cars and Yellow Cars respectively and was operated by Pacific Electric:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Electric
I have a fond memory of riding the yellow cars which were the street cars in downtown LA with my mother and father once when I was VERY VERY young.
Added a couple of photos of the red and yellow cars in Los Angeles.
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Los Angeles used to have an all electric mass transit system (Light Rail and Street Cars) called the Red Cars and Yellow Cars respectively and was operated by Pacific Electric:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Electric
I have a fond memory of riding the yellow cars which were the street cars in downtown LA with my mother and father once when I was VERY VERY young.
The New Orleans street car system is fun. We rode on that last year. Very old school...
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/d6/a4/1d/st-charles-streetcar.jpg)
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Imagine the scene if they ran out of alcohol:
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I'm surprised at the opioid number.
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I'm surprised at the opioid number.
Surprised it's that high, or that it's that low given the "catastrophic epidemic" headlines we see daily?
That pie chart was published in late 2014, so the opioid numbers could be significantly higher now.
From the article that accompanied that chart:
We can see from these two graphs that there are significant disparities between who utilized treatment and who did not. The most provocative statistics shows that six out of 10 people with a Heroin Use Disorder were likely to get treatment, compared to six out of 100 people with an Alcohol Use Disorder. In other words, people with problematic heroin use, who constitute less than 2% of all Americans with an SUD, were about 10 times more likely to use rehab treatment than those with an alcohol or marijuana use problem, who comprise over 80% of Americans with SUDs (see Figure 3). Indeed, these alcohol and marijuana disorders are the least likely of all SUDs to be treated.
http://www.substance.com/addiction-treatment-who-gets-it-and-who-needs-it/14466/
I can't find anything more recent than 2015 stats:
(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/58b0353401fe580f018b663a-890/screen%20shot%202017-02-24%20at%2012826%20pm.png)
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Surprised it's that high, or that it's that low given the "catastrophic epidemic" headlines we see daily?
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Surprised it was that low.
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I'm surprised at the opioid number.
Fentanyl
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Fentanyl
Are you saying that "prescription opioid" number is boosted by development and more frequent use/prescription of Fentanyl?
Some pain meds don't seem to "work" right on me. Vicodin just makes me dizzy and one of the -codones (don't recall if it was the hydro or oxy) didn't seem to do anything. Both times I was prescribed, I took maybe 1 or 2 doses and stopped. Had a bunch of people asking what I did with the rest though. . .
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Are you saying that "prescription opioid" number is boosted by development and more frequent use/prescription of Fentanyl?
Some pain meds don't seem to "work" right on me. Vicodin just makes me dizzy and one of the -codones (don't recall if it was the hydro or oxy) didn't seem to do anything. Both times I was prescribed, I took maybe 1 or 2 doses and stopped. Had a bunch of people asking what I did with the rest though. . .
I have been prescribed Vicodin (The hydro type) a couple of times. While the pain was reduced, it basically put me to sleep for 4 hours at a time. For a day or two. After which I was no longer sleeping and the pain was not as reduced as it was just a day or two before. It didn't take long before I was getting used to it. I stopped taking it and have been trying different homeopathic methods.
When I told some family and friends that I stopped taking the pills I got the same reaction. Wanted to know if I still had some.
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I have been prescribed Vicodin (The hydro type) a couple of times. While the pain was reduced, it basically put me to sleep for 4 hours at a time. For a day or two. After which I was no longer sleeping and the pain was not as reduced as it was just a day or two before. It didn't take long before I was getting used to it. I stopped taking it and have been trying different homeopathic methods.
When I told some family and friends that I stopped taking the pills I got the same reaction. Wanted to know if I still had some.
I joke about that, but it's serious.
First time I totaled my car. Showed up to a BBQ the next day with bumps & bruises (but was otherwise pretty much fine) and told story of how I rolled my SUV. Mentioned going to ER and getting prescribed pain meds and that they didn't do anything. That would get many people's attention and really opened my eyes to the abuse of those kinds of prescription meds. And this was almost 12 years ago now.
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Are you saying that "prescription opioid" number is boosted by development and more frequent use/prescription of Fentanyl?
Some pain meds don't seem to "work" right on me. Vicodin just makes me dizzy and one of the -codones (don't recall if it was the hydro or oxy) didn't seem to do anything. Both times I was prescribed, I took maybe 1 or 2 doses and stopped. Had a bunch of people asking what I did with the rest though. . .
Vicodin = hydrocodone
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Vicodin = hydrocodone
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You should know. :o :o :o :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Vicodin = hydrocodone
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Maybe I was thinking oxycontin and oxycodone.
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You should know. :o :o :o :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
He needs it because of dealing with the 97%'ers types here. . . ;D
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Maybe I was thinking oxycontin and oxycodone.
OxyContin = oxycodone
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OxyContin = oxycodone
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Lol
Well, OxyContin is delayed release, I think
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Lol
Well, OxyContin is delayed release, I think
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"bowing to the expert" ;D
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Don't worry, Trumpcare will cover your addiction. Just don't get pregnant...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/13/senate-health-care-bill-how-it-would-affect-you/475795001/
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Don't worry, Trumpcare will cover your addiction. Just don't get pregnant...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/13/senate-health-care-bill-how-it-would-affect-you/475795001/
How is a law that has not reached Trump's desk for signature "Trumpcare?"
Is it because the Left knows any government intrusion into healthcare is doomed to fail, and tying that rock around his neck is political ammo against him?
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One person's view of the whole "opioid epidemic"...
Opioid, Schmopioid
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/07/opioid_schmopioid.html
Excerpts:
If you intentionally crash your car into a tree, don’t call me for a tow. If you deliberately set fire to your own house, don’t ask me to put it out. And if you overdose on opioids, don’t expect me to come to your rescue.
Come to think of it, opioids aren’t even in the same moral category as the car and the house. Opioids are worse. For all I know, it may be legal to burn your house down. And, depending on where it is, crashing your car into a tree may be legal too. Opioids, by contrast, are against the law. Libertarians like me may want to make drugs legal, but my side lost that argument. And, legal or not, using opioids is just plain stupid. Compared to an opioid user, a man who punches himself in the face looks smart.
That's why I roll my eyes and change the channel when hectored about this so-called epidemic. If you want to talk about an epidemic, talk about zika or bird flu. Opioid addiction comes from a decision, not a virus. No mosquito can infect you with opioid addiction, and you don't need antibacterial soap to avoid catching it. To speak of it as an epidemic and to speak of addicts as victims is to stack the rhetorical deck for the view that addictions and overdoses are diseases rather than choices.
You want to pay EMTs to drop everything and come the rescue of repeat overdoses just as they do with heart attacks, strokes, and other ills that flesh is heir to? Not with my tax money you don't. If you want to help an addict who OD's, help him yourself. Keep public emergency services out of it. And if my cold-hearted attitude means that more opioid users die, my answer is a big, fat so what? If they don’t want to die, they shouldn’t abuse opioids. If an addict doesn't care about his own life, why should I?
Spare me your sanctimonious flubarb about how every life is precious. Precious to whom? Those sentimental memes on Facebook are wrong; the death of some drug-addled wretch does not make all of us poorer. In fact, it probably has the opposite effect on everyone but the dead addict's mother.
Judgmental, you say? You betcha. Our society needs to be more judgmental. Your indulgence of the opioid addict makes the problem worse. It is because of people like you that there are so many people like him. Telling the addict he's a jerk and turning your back on him, as I do, discourages not only him, but also any sober but temptable people who might be in earshot. Your alternative, which is to coddle the addict and pay for his care, is no disincentive at all.
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One person's view of the whole "opioid epidemic"...
Opioid, Schmopioid
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/07/opioid_schmopioid.html
Excerpts:
If you intentionally crash your car into a tree, don’t call me for a tow. If you deliberately set fire to your own house, don’t ask me to put it out. And if you overdose on opioids, don’t expect me to come to your rescue.
Come to think of it, opioids aren’t even in the same moral category as the car and the house. Opioids are worse. For all I know, it may be legal to burn your house down. And, depending on where it is, crashing your car into a tree may be legal too. Opioids, by contrast, are against the law. Libertarians like me may want to make drugs legal, but my side lost that argument. And, legal or not, using opioids is just plain stupid. Compared to an opioid user, a man who punches himself in the face looks smart.
That's why I roll my eyes and change the channel when hectored about this so-called epidemic. If you want to talk about an epidemic, talk about zika or bird flu. Opioid addiction comes from a decision, not a virus. No mosquito can infect you with opioid addiction, and you don't need antibacterial soap to avoid catching it. To speak of it as an epidemic and to speak of addicts as victims is to stack the rhetorical deck for the view that addictions and overdoses are diseases rather than choices.
You want to pay EMTs to drop everything and come the rescue of repeat overdoses just as they do with heart attacks, strokes, and other ills that flesh is heir to? Not with my tax money you don't. If you want to help an addict who OD's, help him yourself. Keep public emergency services out of it. And if my cold-hearted attitude means that more opioid users die, my answer is a big, fat so what? If they don’t want to die, they shouldn’t abuse opioids. If an addict doesn't care about his own life, why should I?
Spare me your sanctimonious flubarb about how every life is precious. Precious to whom? Those sentimental memes on Facebook are wrong; the death of some drug-addled wretch does not make all of us poorer. In fact, it probably has the opposite effect on everyone but the dead addict's mother.
Judgmental, you say? You betcha. Our society needs to be more judgmental. Your indulgence of the opioid addict makes the problem worse. It is because of people like you that there are so many people like him. Telling the addict he's a jerk and turning your back on him, as I do, discourages not only him, but also any sober but temptable people who might be in earshot. Your alternative, which is to coddle the addict and pay for his care, is no disincentive at all.
YES!!! People who take drugs of any type and then get addicted do so as a choice, not as a victim. It is about time everyone takes responsibility for their own actions.
Nice article. Thanks! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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YES!!! People who take drugs of any type and then get addicted do so as a choice, not as a victim. It is about time everyone takes responsibility for their own actions.
Nice article. Thanks! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Glad to know there is a compatriot fellow traveler seeing things similarly.
I was delightfully surprised to find someone writing an article that pretty much reflected EXACTLY what I think and how I feel about this topic, given that the few times I've uttered such sentiments in public I was scorned as "mean" or "heartless", etc.(stupid fuckin' hippies). The whole idea that self-inflicted freely-chosen damage ought to be the responsibility of other people, especially those who don't have to option to decline to help (aka "taxpayers"), is utterly preposterous. Seeing as how we are surrounded by and engulfed in the utterly preposterous on a daily basis (that 10-round mag, if you must, is "okay", but 11 would be a mass murder machine, etc.), I suppose I ought not be surprised, but I can't get to a place where stupid doesn't surprise me.
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Never underestimate the capacity for incompetence of politicians and bureaucrats, especially when they are involved in controlling every single aspect of citizens lives, especially when what they are controlling is absolutely none of their business in the first place. And, no, this article is NOT from The Onion... but the L A Times no less.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-marijuana-hearing-2017-story.html
Nevada approves emergency regulation aimed at solving marijuana shortage
Nevada approved an emergency regulation Thursday aimed at solving a marijuana shortage by expanding who is allowed to transport the drug from cultivation facilities to retail dispensaries.
The Nevada Tax Commission voted unanimously in favor of the regulation two weeks after the state began allowing the sale of recreational marijuana and supply problems quickly arose because nobody had been licensed to transport it.
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Which is of greater concern: That the state has a marijuana shortage, or that there is enough recreational pot use to create a shortage? :shake:
Sounds like the state is setting a pretty high priority (pun intended) on keeping as many people voluntarily stoned as possible. :popcorn:
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Never underestimate the capacity for incompetence of politicians and bureaucrats, especially when they are involved in controlling every single aspect of citizens lives, especially when what they are controlling is absolutely none of their business in the first place. And, no, this article is NOT from The Onion... but the L A Times no less.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-marijuana-hearing-2017-story.html
Nevada approves emergency regulation aimed at solving marijuana shortage
Nevada approved an emergency regulation Thursday aimed at solving a marijuana shortage by expanding who is allowed to transport the drug from cultivation facilities to retail dispensaries.
The Nevada Tax Commission voted unanimously in favor of the regulation two weeks after the state began allowing the sale of recreational marijuana and supply problems quickly arose because nobody had been licensed to transport it.
I'm in the wrong business. I should go get my CDL and deliver pot for a living. Unfortunately, some of it might fall off the truck and I will be making a killing on the side (If I don't smoke it myself!!!) :P :P :P
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I have a friend that left Hawaii and working the same job I am doing so he was making a decent living. He moved to Las Vegas and became a professional gambler. He called me a few months ago and that is not working out for him very well. I told him he should become a certified grower for the pot industry. I wonder if he took my advice?
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Sounds like the state is setting a pretty high priority (pun intended) on keeping as many people voluntarily stoned as possible. :popcorn:
What's the current line on "There are at least 10 TIMES as many people (voluntarily) intoxicated by alcohol as by cannabis in Nevada/Las Vegas"?
Payoff based on upcoming Pew Poll results.
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Forgot to provide a shameless plug for some friends in Cali who are in the business:
http://www.cannabisirrigationsupply.com/