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Tools and Uses => Reloading => Topic started by: Rhed on July 17, 2017, 01:10:14 AM
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Went to the range finally. Arrived there a little past noon. As soon as I got there, RO gave me a bench. About the RO's, they all was nice. They help me and my family a lot. Got some tips from them too. My brand new Dewalt stapler was jamming on me when I was making my targets. So the RO's was kind enough to lend me theirs. The target stand I made fit perfect when I did the dry fit by the bench. But when I went out there, the target holders, two of them was kinda mushroomed. Looks like some people took a hammer and smashed them in. Though I got it to fit with a little force. I even plumed it with my torpedo level lol.. Anyways, some other nice old guy there and the RO help my daughter out with the bench. Cause she short so they flipped the seat bench over that had a little boost on it. Never new it could do that.. lol. Learned a lot today and was fun.
So anyways, I bought some factory ammo for my family to shoot so they can shoot some. I shot my reloads after. I picked up some BH 77 grainers. My Labradar was registering 2440-2460 fps at 50 yards. Btw, I gotta do my load development at 50. Labradar can track up to 125 yards depending on caliber. I called the company and because I'm loading with .223 77 grain BT's, it'll only track those 40-70 yards. Though never had a problem with the unit at 50 yards. Every shoot registered. I just gotta remember to press the arm button again if I past 10 seconds lol.. Well, I can change that in settings. One thing about the BH's ammo too is before I went down to the range, I measured the COAL on them and man are they all over the place. Not much though, from 2.24-2.25. Probably don't make that much difference I think. Grouping was ok I guess. I not one expert. Seems like around 1.5 at 50 yrds. Gotta practice some more. Anyways, when I did some of my reloads, the grouping change and became much tighter. So far, I got really tighter groups. But again still only 50, But the reloads shoot so much better then the factory BH. Still not done with my reloads yet though. Range was closing. So next week again. Will post some pictures of some of the shots on the target. Thanks again you guys for the help.. Mahalo.. :shaka:
So far I'm liking:
CFE 223
Grains: 23.5
Velocity: 2440 average
COAL: 2.308
Mag: ASC 10 rnd clip (no feed issues, no jams)
No pressure signs
Still got loads for:
TAC
BL-C
Varget
8208
Rifle and optics used:
HK MR556
16.5 inch barrel 1/7 twist
Nightforce ATACR 4-16x42
Bullet and brass:
Sierra TMK 77 grain
Lapua .223 brass
Primers: CCI 41
Chrono:
Labradar
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Right on!
The pipes get shot up, so guys hammer them back out. They eventually get replaced. Not sure but I think by volunteers ...
How did the Labradar do with shooters around you?
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nice :thumbsup:
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Right on!
The pipes get shot up, so guys hammer them back out. They eventually get replaced. Not sure but I think by volunteers ...
How did the Labradar do with shooters around you?
Labradar worked great. Never picked up any of the neighbors projectiles or blast. I have the settings set at 7-12". So my muzzle needs to be on the side of the unit no more then 12". It has settings from 1-6", 7-12", and 13-18". The closer the better the units gets triggered by the blast. And then sensitivity was set to 3. These levels go from 1-5, 5 is the most sensitive. Company said, if I'm gonna use the unit at a indoor range, it should be set at 1. I called Labradar before I went out for some tips. The support was great. Labradar, easy for use.
My son in the picture..
http://imageshack.com/a/img922/2848/x4ly6E.jpg
Larue 50 grid target..
Reloads shot with AR. Middle one was the Tavor shot with BH..
http://imageshack.com/a/img923/5731/1j5JbJ.jpg
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Rifle and optics used:
HK MR556
16.5 inch barrel 1/7 twist
Nightforce ATACR 4-16x42
Bullet and brass:
Sierra TMK 77 grain
Lapua .223 brass
Primers: CCI 41
Chrono:
Labradar
jeez, you have a really expensive setup!
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Labradar worked great. Never picked up any of the neighbors projectiles or blast. I have the settings set at 7-12". So my muzzle needs to be on the side of the unit no more then 12". It has settings from 1-6", 7-12", and 13-18". The closer the better the units gets triggered by the blast. And then sensitivity was set to 3. These levels go from 1-5, 5 is the most sensitive. Company said, if I'm gonna use the unit at a indoor range, it should be set at 1. I called Labradar before I went out for some tips. The support was great. Labradar, easy for use.
My son in the picture..
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w452/Rhed1234/FullSizeRender_zpsvid0gsfl.jpg) (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/Rhed1234/media/FullSizeRender_zpsvid0gsfl.jpg.html)
Larue .50 grid target..
Reloads shot with AR. Middle one was the Tavor shot with BH..
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w452/Rhed1234/IMG_0470_zpskxvgxkcy.jpg) (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/Rhed1234/media/IMG_0470_zpskxvgxkcy.jpg.html)
You got some nice groups for the first time out!!! Nice shooting!!!
I that Lab Radar becomes more affordable some day....
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jeez, you have a really expensive setup!
I no drink, I no go bar... lol..
This gonna be my hobby from now on. So I invest. Never gonna sell anything..
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You got some nice groups for the first time out!!! Nice shooting!!!
I that Lab Radar becomes more affordable some day....
Dave if you like you can borrow em when I see you at the range.
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Awesome experience. I found that when I was a noob there, the RO's were more than willing to help me out. I even posted a thread last year about unwritten rules for the range.
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It took me awhile to realize that there's a variety of table heights. The short tables make me hunch too much but difficult to be picky when the tables are full. Those seats are versatile but can dig into the glutes after an hour or so. I need to remember to bring a seat pad with me.
Does the Labradar also show the std dev for each set? A single digit SD can depict a very reliable measurement. I believe there's a direct relationship between stability of the load and SD so it's another indicator to use.
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2400 is slow for 77s. I'm pushing them to 2700 and that's where they are accurate.
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nice :thumbsup:
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Yup. Nice guns, nice gear, nice shooting! Good to hear you folks had a good experience at the rifle range. I need to get myself out there more often too.
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2400 is slow for 77s. I'm pushing them to 2700 and that's where they are accurate.
Gotta pack the cases full to get 2700 with my Noslers. Even the middle loads cause the powder to crunch when seating.
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Gotta pack the cases full to get 2700 with my Noslers. Even the middle loads cause the powder to crunch when seating.
Far too many variables to use manual load data for velocity.
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It took me awhile to realize that there's a variety of table heights. The short tables make me hunch too much but difficult to be picky when the tables are full. Those seats are versatile but can dig into the glutes after an hour or so. I need to remember to bring a seat pad with me.
Does the Labradar also show the std dev for each set? A single digit SD can depict a very reliable measurement. I believe there's a direct relationship between stability of the load and SD so it's another indicator to use.
This?
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w452/Rhed1234/IMG_0264_zpsutcoud6b.jpeg) (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/Rhed1234/media/IMG_0264_zpsutcoud6b.jpeg.html)
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2400 is slow for 77s. I'm pushing them to 2700 and that's where they are accurate.
Nice! On what length barrel and COAL? I'm just playing it safe right now. Staying ..3-.4 below recorded max data. I'll work up slowly for now, I'm just trying to see what powder shoots accurately and consistently first. Then I'll take it from there. My COAL is around 2.308-2.309. With jus the right amount to be feed through the mag and get the ogive closer to the lands. Though, still get atleast a .225 bullet jump left even when I'm at 2.309. Cartridge base or brass I'm using to ogive or lands is 2.089. Sierra TMK bullet ogive to top of bullet I came out with 0,445. + the 2.089 come out 2.534. So even if I made the COAL to 2.31, still get plenty more jump.. lol. But atleast I got the bullet more close. Being that said, I can probably pack more powder later but watching out for pressure signs. Hmm, I might experiment with with 80's single, hand fed though.. later maybe..
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This?
Awesome.
Hmm, I might experiment with with 80's single, hand fed though.. later maybe..
There's always another bullet/powder to try.
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Awesome.
There's always another bullet/powder to try.
Yea, I made few more reloads of different powders I still need to shoot this weekend. Reload powders of TAC, BL-C, Varget, and XBR 8208..
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Nice! On what length barrel and COAL? I'm just playing it safe right now. Staying ..3-.4 below recorded max data. I'll work up slowly for now, I'm just trying to see what powder shoots accurately and consistently first. Then I'll take it from there. My COAL is around 2.308-2.309. With jus the right amount to be feed through the mag and get the ogive closer to the lands. Though, still get atleast a .225 bullet jump left even when I'm at 2.309. Cartridge base or brass I'm using to ogive or lands is 2.089. Sierra TMK bullet ogive to top of bullet I came out with 0,445. + the 2.089 come out 2.534. So even if I made the COAL to 2.31, still get plenty more jump.. lol. But atleast I got the bullet more close. Being that said, I can probably pack more powder later but watching out for pressure signs. Hmm, I might experiment with with 80's single, hand fed though.. later maybe..
it might not be worth your while to chase the lands. your HK MR556 is chambered in 5.56x45 so it already comes with a longer leade.
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it might not be worth your while to chase the lands. your HK MR556 is chambered in 5.56x45 so it already comes with a longer leade.
Yea, not trying to chase it. And there's still about 22 thousandths left on the jump. So I might experiment with more powder since there's more internal volume room left. I could always dial down on the seat too anyways with the micro seater die. I started with a longer COAL first since the ASC mags will take that without issues. I mean why not.. It's just fun experimenting. I just like finding something that works great and get a kick from it cause you've created something that works good in the end. Well, that's just me.. Like my home theater hobby habit, I can stay on the laptop with the mic position on the MLP all day running test tones until I can get a flat line down to 5hz.. lol.. and that's a different part of hobbies I'm so tidious on.. But in the end, sounds friggin 10x better then the newest local theater.l. Lol..
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Yea, not trying to chase it. And there's still about 22 thousandths left on the jump. So I might experiment with more powder since there's more internal volume room left. I could always dial down on the seat too anyways with the micro seater die. I started with a longer COAL first since the ASC mags will take that without issues. I mean why not.. It's just fun experimenting. I just like finding something that works great and get a kick from it cause you've created something that works good in the end. Well, that's just me.. Like my home theater hobby habit, I can stay on the laptop with the mic position on the MLP all day running test tones until I can get a flat line down to 5hz @ 100 db .. lol.. and that's a different part of hobbies I'm so tidious on.. But in the end, sounds friggin 10x better then the newest local theater.l. Lol..
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When you shoot too many of those awfully loud guns, you won't be able to hear past 5k anyway
:shake:
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Nice! On what length barrel and COAL? I'm just playing it safe right now. Staying ..3-.4 below recorded max data. I'll work up slowly for now, I'm just trying to see what powder shoots accurately and consistently first. Then I'll take it from there. My COAL is around 2.308-2.309. With jus the right amount to be feed through the mag and get the ogive closer to the lands. Though, still get atleast a .225 bullet jump left even when I'm at 2.309. Cartridge base or brass I'm using to ogive or lands is 2.089. Sierra TMK bullet ogive to top of bullet I came out with 0,445. + the 2.089 come out 2.534. So even if I made the COAL to 2.31, still get plenty more jump.. lol. But atleast I got the bullet more close. Being that said, I can probably pack more powder later but watching out for pressure signs. Hmm, I might experiment with with 80's single, hand fed though.. later maybe..
20" barrel 1x7 twist My load is LC cases, Rem 7.5 primers, 24.1 RL15 topped with a Nosler 77 at mag length. With 80s I load with 24.3 RL 15 seated out for .005" - .015" jump.
More info here: http://precision.whiteoakarmament.com/info-reloading.html (http://precision.whiteoakarmament.com/info-reloading.html)
some may disagree but load dev has been done extensively with .223 already. There are proven loads and more often it is the gun or the shooter. By the time you find that one load, you may already have burned through some barrel life.
I can relate to your hobby in home audio as I was a car audio fiend a long time ago. Spent a lot of money and time with horn loaded compression drivers in the car and trying to find that flat response curve along with good staging.
The Holy Grail was this Grand National
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/technical-advanced-car-audio-discussion/192169-what-ever-happened-richard-clark.html (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/technical-advanced-car-audio-discussion/192169-what-ever-happened-richard-clark.html)
In the end, I spent more time tweaking than enjoying. Was it worth it? Nope. In the grand, galaxy of things it didn't fit (car audio) in my renewed perspective of life. Anyways, live long and prosper.
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20" barrel 1x7 twist My load is LC cases, Rem 7.5 primers, 24.1 RL15 topped with a Nosler 77 at mag length. With 80s I load with 24.3 RL 15 seated out for .005" - .015" jump.
More info here: http://precision.whiteoakarmament.com/info-reloading.html (http://precision.whiteoakarmament.com/info-reloading.html)
some may disagree but load dev has been done extensively with .223 already. There are proven loads and more often it is the gun or the shooter. By the time you find that one load, you may already have burned through some barrel life.
Agree. That's another reason why I don't bother with OCW as much. I do it more to see which powder load gives me the tightest group for the fun of it. I've been working with RL15 and Nosler 77 for the past two months and really liking it. The only problem is that RL15 doesn't meter well so a lot of hand measuring is involved. I'll probably start working with TAC more in the near future. It worked pretty well with the Nosler 62 I got. I have a 24" 1x8. I haven't played much with the COL yet and just seat to what's listed in the books. Something else to play with later.
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Agree. That's another reason why I don't bother with OCW as much. I do it more to see which powder load gives me the tightest group for the fun of it. I've been working with RL15 and Nosler 77 for the past two months and really liking it. The only problem is that RL15 doesn't meter well so a lot of hand measuring is involved. I'll probably start working with TAC more in the near future. It worked pretty well with the Nosler 62 I got. I have a 24" 1x8. I haven't played much with the COL yet and just seat to what's listed in the books. Something else to play with later.
for extruded powders like RL15 I use this
(http://thefirearmsforum.s3.amazonaws.com/2009/02/105298_88990eb2eadbe948c79caffc860dfdd0.jpg)
for about $20 and its pretty much spot on - Most times I just dump straight into the case
I also progressively load on my Dillon 550 with RL15. I polished the Dillon measure
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Would you say the Lee Measurer is more accurate than the RCBS Measurer with the extruded powders? I could drop Win296 all day long at 0.1 gn accuracy but the RL15 varies about +/- 0.3 gn.
BTW, are you looking forward to Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets? Same people who made Fifth Element.
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Would you say the Lee Measurer is more accurate than the RCBS Measurer with the extruded powders? I could drop Win296 all day long at 0.1 gn accuracy but the RL15 varies about +/- 0.3 gn.
I had the RCBS and had it on my Dillon. I didn't do a sample of drops. I did notice that the RCBS cut extruded powders more than the Lee PPM. The RCBS was great with ball powders. The Lee PPM was accurate but tended to leak with ball powders - so I stuck with extruded on the Lee.
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I had the RCBS and had it on my Dillon. I didn't do a sample of drops. I did notice that the RCBS cut extruded powders more than the Lee PPM. The RCBS was great with ball powders. The Lee PPM was accurate but tended to leak with ball powders - so I stuck with extruded on the Lee.
Hmm... guess it's time to play with my old Lee again. I could mount them side by side.
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20" barrel 1x7 twist My load is LC cases, Rem 7.5 primers, 24.1 RL15 topped with a Nosler 77 at mag length. With 80s I load with 24.3 RL 15 seated out for .005" - .015" jump.
More info here: http://precision.whiteoakarmament.com/info-reloading.html (http://precision.whiteoakarmament.com/info-reloading.html)
some may disagree but load dev has been done extensively with .223 already. There are proven loads and more often it is the gun or the shooter. By the time you find that one load, you may already have burned through some barrel life.
I can relate to your hobby in home audio as I was a car audio fiend a long time ago. Spent a lot of money and time with horn loaded compression drivers in the car and trying to find that flat response curve along with good staging.
The Holy Grail was this Grand National
http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/technical-advanced-car-audio-discussion/192169-what-ever-happened-richard-clark.html (http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/technical-advanced-car-audio-discussion/192169-what-ever-happened-richard-clark.html)
In the end, I spent more time tweaking than enjoying. Was it worth it? Nope. In the grand, galaxy of things it didn't fit (car audio) in my renewed perspective of life. Anyways, live long and prosper.
Your right ren.. no sense chasing things and thinking too much.. Better enjoy while can.. I always tend to say that to myself sometimes, enjoy what you can manage at present. Before I end up saying "damn, I wish I did that when I was that age. Lol.. Jus like my HT fanatic hobby before.. I just tweak, upgraded, tweak upgraded, until the wife reminded me, gee hon better pick another hobby to do. You spending too much money and not enjoying it.. Well in the end I finalized my system with 7.8.4 ATMOS HT. Which I'm happy with it. But having a electrician come in to give separate dedicated circuits to each of the monos for 8 18's was the last draw.. Wife went nuts. Now I'm back to shooting again.. more fun.. Better jus find one load right away a mass produce em and shoot em with the fans.. thanks you guys.. see you at the range
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Did more shooting on the loads today.. Was jus nice to see people that I know and meet new people too.
http://imageshack.com/a/img923/7364/9txYYa.jpg
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for extruded powders like RL15 I use this
(http://thefirearmsforum.s3.amazonaws.com/2009/02/105298_88990eb2eadbe948c79caffc860dfdd0.jpg)
for about $20 and its pretty much spot on - Most times I just dump straight into the case
I also progressively load on my Dillon 550 with RL15. I polished the Dillon measure
Is the extruded powder on the RL15 much larger then Varget? I load Varget through my 550 too.without a problem. But I've been using the larger powder bar. And it meters quite well. Well, I've been using the larger powder bar for all the powders I'm experimenting with too with no problems and no spillage. Though I might try out RL15 just for the hell of it..