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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on September 19, 2017, 08:25:20 AM
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https://www.store.silencerco.com/products/maxim-50?variant=37950952529
Claims to be 50 state legal. But we know the Shockwave was deemed illegal by HPD, but legal on the Big Island. So...
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Yea i wouldnt want to be the first to pay for it in full then try to register it.
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Yea i wouldnt want to be the first to pay for it in full then try to register it.
What would happen if I take it to HPD and they deem it illegal like the shockwave? Jail time, confiscation?
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Claims to be 50 state legal. But we know the Shockwave was deemed illegal by HPD, but legal on the Big Island. So...
Must have missed this. Got a link i can read up on?
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Must have missed this. Got a link i can read up on?
It was posted here a few months ago.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=23385.msg209914#msg209914
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Looks like fun.
https://youtu.be/cIyi8ua4mGk
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Okay I'm not seeing how this is legal in Hawaii. Might be legal under federal laws, but it still looks illegal under Hawaii state law as Hawaii has no definition of "antique firearm".
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AFAIK, there's no exemption for silencers if the unit is welded to the barrel. Maybe in Kentucky...
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Okay I'm not seeing how this is legal in Hawaii. Might be legal under federal laws, but it still looks illegal under Hawaii state law as Hawaii has no definition of "antique firearm".
If they are designed to be fired using loose black powder i.e. Muzzle loader. They do not require registration.
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If they are designed to be fired using loose black powder i.e. Muzzle loader. They do not require registration.
Still illegal in Hawaii,
Silencers are illegal, A muzzle loader is still a firearm in Hawaii and all laws apply except registration.
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Still illegal in Hawaii,
Silencers are illegal, A muzzle loader is still a firearm in Hawaii and all laws apply except registration.
That's what I told SilencerCo.
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Still illegal in Hawaii,
Silencers are illegal, A muzzle loader is still a firearm in Hawaii and all laws apply except registration.
So don't have to bring the muzzle loader into HPD for registration. My question is what would HPD do if they observed the rifle in the home, range, or out hunting? Would they care? Would they only confiscate? Would it be a felony conviction? Maybe but who would try it?
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So don't have to bring the muzzle loader into HPD for registration. My question is what would HPD do if they observed the rifle in the home, range, or out hunting? Would they care? Would they only confiscate? Would it be a felony conviction? Maybe but who would try it?
I emailed SilencerCo and told them to read HRS134-8 and call the AG and HPD to confirm in writing since they advertise "50 state legal". I also told them the issues with the Shockwave.
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Still loud. I was watching a movie and it had a silencer which was quieter than that.
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It's not a silencer it's a smoke hider... it's a smoke reducer
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It's not a silencer it's a smoke hider... it's a smoke reducer
You mean it identifies as a smoke reducer.
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It's not a silencer it's a smoke hider... it's a smoke reducer
A valid point in that HRS does not define "deadening or muffling". Does attempt to deaden or muffle count as a class C felony for the owner?
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0008.htm
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:crazy:
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But they say...
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"Hawaii is good to go"?
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"Hawaii is good to go"?
Who's going to be the guinea pig.
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"Hawaii is good to go"?
Nope, They just listed the states that contacted them. Not all the ones its illegal in.
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But they say...
Read the bottom reply. Sounds like they were replying to someone's question about Hawaii.
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Read the bottom reply. Sounds like they were replying to someone's question about Hawaii.
well they are wrong,
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In my non lawyer opinion, since supressors are specifically outlawed in the State of Hawaii, this is NOT legal in Hawaii. The actual firearm, black powder front loader is GTG, but the supressor is NOT.
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Thus my question mark....
Hmm, sounds like a lawsuit opportunity based on their reply. Too bad my schedules already full...
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Thus my question mark....
Hmm, sounds like a lawsuit opportunity based on their reply. Too bad my schedules already full...
Why would you want to sue silencerco? It's this state that needs the sueing
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So here's a question... if the feds don't require a tax stamp for this device. Is the state law written to mirror the fed guidelines? What's missing for the feds to not require a tax stamp? Hence this could be the determination on legality
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So here's a question... if the feds don't require a tax stamp for this device. Is the state law written to mirror the fed guidelines?
No
What's missing for the feds to not require a tax stamp?
1. Muzzleloaders aren't considered a firearm.
2. Suppressor cannot be detached to be used with rifles and pistols.
It's related to how air rifles can have built in suppressors.
Hence this could be the determination on legality
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Why would you want to sue silencerco? It's this state that needs the sueing
Sure. If you gonna sue one, you might as well sue everyone and let them get their own lawyer.
Silencerco says it's legal in Hawaii. I purchase the rifle and I get arrested with a class C felony for possessing a "silencer". I have therefore been emotionally and financially damaged and require restitution from those who assured me it's legal in Hawaii. 'Merica!
AFAIK, it's a firearm because the operating force is an explosive but is not required to be registered because it fires loose black powder. I agree that an air rifle is not a firearm and can have a permanent silencer but is not the same.
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Sure. If you gonna sue one, you might as well sue everyone and let them get their own lawyer.
Silencerco says it's legal in Hawaii. I purchase the rifle and I get arrested with a class C felony for possessing a "silencer". I have therefore been emotionally and financially damaged and require restitution from those who assured me it's legal in Hawaii. 'Merica!
AFAIK, it's a firearm because the operating force is an explosive but is not required to be registered because it fires loose black powder. I agree that an air rifle is not a firearm and can have a permanent silencer but is not the same.
From the FAQ page...
"Check your local laws before purchasing the Maxim 50"
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All of this is speculation because until someone decides to push the envelope, we don't know how HPD is going to react and which law(s) they will decide to interpret any way they wish.
And after they interpret one of the laws in some whacko way that makes no sense, they will tell you ignorance of the law is no excuse. :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
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From the FAQ page...
"Check your local laws before purchasing the Maxim 50"
This begs the question, what do the HAWAII STATE laws say about this gun. It might be legal per any and all state laws making it 50 state legal. But not legal per the local laws. Truth in advertising? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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This begs the question, what do the HAWAII STATE laws say about this gun. It might be legal per any and all state laws making it 50 state legal. But not legal per the local laws. Truth in advertising? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
It's legal in all 50 under federal law. Hawaii and California say black powder = firearm = illegal
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So here is the latest as of 40 min of this posting. Verdict
... WE ARE OUT!!!
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Fixed it ....
(https://i.imgur.com/syB5ynq.jpg?1)
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So here is the latest as of 40 min of this posting. Verdict
... WE ARE OUT!!!
That's a good list of every state that every gun rights organization should concentrate every effort to remedy..