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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: macsak on October 06, 2017, 12:22:29 PM
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psych meds...
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/
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What do you suggest be done about it?
I have never taken those types of drugs, but I'd imagine pro-psych drug people will tell you the same thing that we tell others about our desire to concealed carry/bear arms.
"The greater benefit trumps the random outlier cases. Prescription drugs to more good than harm."
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What do you suggest be done about it?
I have never taken those types of drugs, but I'd imagine pro-psych drug people will tell you the same thing that we tell others about our desire to concealed carry/bear arms.
"The greater benefit trumps the random outlier cases. Prescription drugs to more good than harm."
Psychotropic drugs have some bad side effects, including the desire to harm oneself or others. As a precaution, he should have been advised to store his guns away from where he has access until the drug's effects are known. Everyone reacts to the drugs differently.
If he was a responsible gun owner, he would have understood the risk and taken steps to avoid what ultimately happened.
Some might say we should take guns away from people on Xanex or any other drug with similar side effects. I think frequent follow-ups with the patient would be a better idea before forcing confiscation.
Tell your doctor right away if any of these unlikely but serious side effects occur:
mental/mood changes (such as hallucinations, thoughts of suicide), slurred speech
or difficulty talking, loss of coordination, trouble walking, memory problems.
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psych meds...
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/
Holy crap! He was taking diazepam?
Does anyone remember playing the first Metal Gear Solid on the original PlayStation and the battle with Sniper Wolf?
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Psychotropic drugs have some bad side effects, including the desire to harm oneself or others. As a precaution, he should have been advised to store his guns away from where he has access until the drug's effects are known. Everyone reacts to the drugs differently.
If he was a responsible gun owner, he would have understood the risk and taken steps to avoid what ultimately happened.
Some might say we should take guns away from people on Xanex or any other drug with similar side effects. I think frequent follow-ups with the patient would be a better idea before forcing confiscation.
On the bright side (or not as dim), at least the blame will partially be cast on the medical side and highlight the potential harmful effects of some of these drugs rather than fearmonger how a normal law abiding gun owner magically goes berzerk.
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According to Dr. Weldon Havins, a member of the Nevada State Board of Medical Examiners, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), a federal privacy law, bars Dr. Steven Winkler from divulging the reason for his prescription of diazepam for Stephen Paddock.
The law protects the health information for a dead person for 50 years. According to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the 50-year rule was implemented to balance the privacy interest of an individual’s family with the need by archivists, biographers and historians to access records.
There are exceptions, however. A key one is that under the law, Paddock’s health information could be made public if “the decedent’s personal representative” requested it. That could be an executor, an administrator of the person’s state or someone authorized by law to act on the decedent’s behalf, which could be a family member.
This fits a decades-long trend among mass shooters and others who engage in cruel and unusual criminal acts being on powerful, yet legal psychotropic drugs.
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According to the Nevada state monitoring report, the suspect Stephen Paddock was first prescribed the drugs in 2016.
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So what now, ban drugs? Ban people that take psych meds from owning guns? Does that include other psych behavioral medications such as adderall/ritalin?
Where do you draw the line? Again, we're looking for the witch when there is none.
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Valium has been around for a very long time, not like some of the newer drugs, and can be prescribed for a whole host of conditions. People nowadays, with or claiming anxiety can be prescribed all sorts of medications depending on the doctor and method of treatment. I would think this class of medications, just like the various opioids, would be very hard to pin down as the direct culprit, provided the patient was not diagnosed with some underlining mental condition or disorder. My guess is the shooter was not diagnosed with a mental condition, simply because he was able to legally purchase all the weapons he owned, which would have required a background check. Take any workplace and there is probably a very good chance some employees may likely be taking legally prescribed opioids or benzodiazepines.
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With this revelation, the 2A community should go full-force on blaming the psych drugs.
I have always disliked it when 2A supporters brush aside killing sprees as the result of "mentally ill" people. I do not believe in many forms of mental illness, or the concept as a whole. Even if someone accepts the idea of mental illness, blaming incidents on such people validates the "mental health professions" and opens the door for law-abiding gun owners to someday be screened out for "mental illness" based on subjective evaluations of fake experts.
Now 2A supporters have the opportunity to do the opposite. We can blame the psych drugs in this case, as a concrete reason for the killing spree that occurred. Doing this weakens the reputation of the "mental health professions" as opposed to strengthening it.
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If meds are the root cause then these libs should be targeting pharma
In a PBS show documenting the "opioid" epidemic they (medical professionals) admitted lax prescriptions which likely led to many addicts hooked on prescription drugs.
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psych meds...
I would really like to know if those drugs make the person on them more amenable to "suggestion" by the ever-friendly NGO. Certainly the effect of sodium pentothal (sp) is known for interrogation effectiveness.
So, how easily is a person on psychotropic drugs led to do acts that they would never do otherwise?
Yes, I am savagely suspicious of the deep state and what they try to do and direct the course of event.
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Yes, I am savagely suspicious of the deep state and what they try to do and direct the course of event.
They certainly do have a track record of it.
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If meds are the root cause then these libs should be targeting pharma
In a PBS show documenting the "opioid" epidemic they (medical professionals) admitted lax prescriptions which likely led to many addicts hooked on prescription drugs.
Finally someone mentions the elephant in the room.
Doesn’t anybody notice the desire for “residual income” in western medicine when it comes to ailments?
I have bad allergies every now and then. Former doc said I should be on Allegra. Ok I say, how long? He says for life. :crazy:
Western medicine seems to be only good at treating trauma like falls, car accidents, stab wounds, gunshots etc
The track record on treating ailments and disease is pitiful. Take this pill! Then when you get a side effect from that pill, take these pills....and on and on.
A lot of ailments are the direct result of diet and life style.
I truly believe that most, if not all of societal ailments, both physical and psychologically, can be alleviated greatly if not eliminated via diet and exercise.
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Been saying this every time a shooting like this occurs. The authorities don't care to take that aspect on in every single case. Much easier to blame inanimate objects and innocent people, than take on the beast of big pharma. These drugs are prescribed indiscriminately, and the severe side effects are known, yet no one in authoritative power ever even gives it a good look.
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So what now, ban drugs? Ban people that take psych meds from owning guns? Does that include other psych behavioral medications such as adderall/ritalin?
Where do you draw the line? Again, we're looking for the witch when there is none.
Yes, they need to take a good hard look at these drugs and the severe side effects. There are many other treatments that should be attempted and all options weighted before prescribing such drugs. Right now they give it out like candy. Not only for mental health purposes, but also for things like smoking cessation.
From personal experience, these drugs are NO GOOD.
My advice to gun owners is don't take these types of drugs without a thorough examination of the need and weigh the benefits vs side effects and if it's really worth the risk.
follow the $.
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Finally someone mentions the elephant in the room.
Doesn’t anybody notice the desire for “residual income” in western medicine when it comes to ailments?
I have bad allergies every now and then. Former doc said I should be on Allegra. Ok I say, how long? He says for life. :crazy:
Western medicine seems to be only good at treating trauma like falls, car accidents, stab wounds, gunshots etc
The track record on treating ailments and disease is pitiful. Take this pill! Then when you get a side effect from that pill, take these pills....and on and on.
A lot of ailments are the direct result of diet and life style.
I truly believe that most, if not all of societal ailments, both physical and psychologically, can be alleviated greatly if not eliminated via diet and exercise.
a lot of society is now conditioned to think that taking meds is the solution to everything
i get this all the time
me "the tooth is infected and needs to come out"
after the tooth is extracted
pt "do i need to take antibiotics?"
me "the tooth was the source of the infection, we removed the tooth, so now your body will clear up the residual infection because you are young and healthy (i say this to everyone to make sure they understand it will be ok)"
pt "but you said i have an infection"
:wacko:
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a lot of society is now conditioned to think that taking meds is the solution to everything
i get this all the time
me "the tooth is infected and needs to come out"
after the tooth is extracted
pt "do i need to take antibiotics?"
me "the tooth was the source of the infection, we removed the tooth, so now your body will clear up the residual infection because you are young and healthy (i say this to everyone to make sure they understand it will be ok)"
pt "but you said i have an infection"
:wacko:
Also why pennicillin is not as effective. So many prescribe it just because. Now ommoxacillin is the drug of choice until viruses mutate and adapt to that too.
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I noticed that the major TV networks did not mention anything about this.
Probably because many of those news people are taking the same drugs.
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I noticed that the major TV networks did not mention anything about this.
Probably because many of those news people are taking the same drugs.
More likely because there's near universal consensus this drug wasn't the cause. I mean by actual doctors, the twitterverse of course is on a rampage of self diagnosis.
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Medical marijuana ?
All natural and nobody ever did anything.
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Medical marijuana ?
All natural and nobody ever did anything.
Maybe they should legalize it... everyone would definitely mellow the f out.
Problem is everyone would give even less of a sht, more than ever.... :(
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Dr. PIazza, founder of Front Sight, said the day after the shooting that they would find prescribed psychiatric drugs, as has been the case in every mass shooter since Columbine. He blamed big pharma but because of the billions of dollars they have and are spending, no one takes them on.
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More likely because there's near universal consensus this drug wasn't the cause. I mean by actual doctors, the twitterverse of course is on a rampage of self diagnosis.
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Again follow the $