Post by: changemyoil66 on October 07, 2017, 09:42:50 PM
1) Sounded belt fed, long reload slower rate of fire than a bump stock (see video 240 vs bump fire)
2) Surefire mag used, theyre known for jamming, why a Magpul drum wasnt used maybe because they just got the Marine contract. (Staged scene)
3) Senior citizen, retiree
4) Millionaire
5) Note in picture, FBI claims it had trajectories on it. @ 200 yards, into a crowd of 20k, with a "bump fire", you dont need calculations.
6) No video at all released or mentioned much, but yet they have a video from 2011 when he was inside Cosmo.
7) Brother slips up and says "arm...." in interview followed by "please dont air this". Did he mean arms dealer, army, etc...?
8) Charger left in room that didnt fit any electronics owned by gunman.
9) Room service bill list 2 guest and order looked like it was for more than 1 person.
10) No motive released yet, its been a week. No mention of political/religious beliefs. No mention of destroyed or missing computers.
11) Possible crisis actors used? Watch initial interviews on fakenews networks.
12) Ear lobes look different in pics of dead body and party pic
Am I missing anything? Anyone else need some foil, i got a case from Costco.
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Post by: London808 on October 07, 2017, 09:45:49 PM
Post by: WTF?Shane on October 07, 2017, 09:53:22 PM
Post by: macsak on October 07, 2017, 10:00:17 PM
8)
:tinfoil:
Post by: London808 on October 07, 2017, 10:03:57 PM
The noise was coming from the floor below his suite on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel casino on the Las Vegas Strip, CBS News senior investigative producer Pat Milton reports.
Albert Garzon of San Diego told The New York Times that security guards asked him to turn down the country music playing in his suite on the 31st floor at around 1:30 a.m. Sunday, a little over 20 hours before the rampage on a country music festival. When different security guards paid Garzon another visit about his music a half-hour later, he turned it off.
Post by: London808 on October 07, 2017, 10:05:48 PM
If he was an arms dealer it would explain the guns, combine that with psyc drugs and a concert might have just pushed him over the edge.
Would explain why their is no motive or manafesto or note
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 07, 2017, 10:12:27 PM
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Post by: Heavies on October 07, 2017, 10:31:54 PM
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 07, 2017, 10:44:40 PM
How many rounds were fired total? Where is all the empty brass and empty magazines?
There was a suitcase in the photo beside the chair. Maybe the empty mags got tossed in there?
From the diagrams I've seen, he had to be aiming left of 90 degrees with the window. Rate of fire can change the ejection angle from 2:00 - 4:00 to something more like 1:00, so it's very possible much of the empties went out the window.
Check the ejection pattern in this video. (about 2:10 mark)
https://youtu.be/BSizVpfqFtw
Post by: dafrtknocker on October 08, 2017, 08:20:36 AM
Post by: ren on October 08, 2017, 08:53:29 AM
When people record and take pictures of everything, why so few?
People running for cover?
Post by: ren on October 08, 2017, 08:54:26 AM
The more details that come out about the Vegas shooting, the more the gerbal wheel is turning.
1) Sounded belt fed, long reload slower rate of fire than a bump stock (see video 240 vs bump fire)
2) Surefire mag used, theyre known for jamming, why a Magpul drum wasnt used maybe because they just got the Marine contract. (Staged scene)
3) Senior citizen, retiree
4) Millionaire
5) Note in picture, FBI claims it had trajectories on it. @ 200 yards, into a crowd of 20k, with a "bump fire", you dont need calculations.
6) No video at all released or mentioned much, but yet they have a video from 2011 when he was inside Cosmo.
7) Brother slips up and says "arm...." in interview followed by "please dont air this". Did he mean arms dealer, army, etc...?
8) Charger left in room that didnt fit any electronics owned by gunman.
9) Room service bill list 2 guest and order looked like it was for more than 1 person.
10) No motive released yet, its been a week. No mention of political/religious beliefs. No mention of destroyed or missing computers.
11) Possible crisis actors used? Watch initial interviews on fakenews networks.
12) Ear lobes look different in pics of dead body and party pic
Am I missing anything? Anyone else need some foil, i got a case from Costco.
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Maybe they found pro Hillary propaganda and hid it.
I'm sure if they found ONE MAGA hat anywhere it would be a big deal
Post by: dafrtknocker on October 08, 2017, 07:08:05 PM
http://canadafreepress.com/article/was-vegas-an-fbi-sting-gone-bad
Post by: Inspector on October 09, 2017, 07:02:59 AM
You cannot buy "Tin" foil at Costco. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Post by: London808 on October 09, 2017, 08:06:54 AM
I hate to say this but.....
You cannot buy "Tin" foil at Costco. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
tin·foil
ˈtinˌfoil/Submit
noun
noun: tin-foil; noun: tin foil
foil made of aluminum or a similar silvery-gray metal, used especially for covering or wrapping food.
Post by: oldfart on October 09, 2017, 09:14:04 AM
Where is the hotel security cam video?
It would take hours and multiple trips with a dolly to transport that much hardware.
Anybody that has helped put up a display at the gun show knows this.
Post by: shdws on October 09, 2017, 09:25:02 AM
The whole thing stinks.
Where is the hotel security cam video?
It would take hours and multiple trips with a dolly to transport that much hardware.
Anybody that has helped put up a display at the gun show knows this.
Or you know, suitcases. The type people typically roll around with them when checking into a hotel. Those darn assault rifles are so handy that they come apart in two nice pieces.
I certainly wouldn't look twice at a guy rolling a few suitcases through a hotel casino.
Sorry, I'm putting the tinfoil hat back on now, carry on.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 09, 2017, 10:32:50 AM
The whole thing stinks.
Where is the hotel security cam video?
It would take hours and multiple trips with a dolly to transport that much hardware.
Anybody that has helped put up a display at the gun show knows this.
See #6.
Also to add, but unconfirmed. The creator of the charger "killed himself" and his disabled daughter. But was found with a shotgun wound to the back of his head...
Post by: oldfart on October 09, 2017, 10:38:33 AM
Or you know, suitcases. The type people typically roll around with them when checking into a hotel. Those darn assault rifles are so handy that they come apart in two nice pieces....
I certainly wouldn't look twice at a guy rolling a few suitcases through a hotel casino.
Sorry, I'm putting the tinfoil hat back on now, carry on.
OK, rolling suitcases then.....
How many trips up and down the elevator with suitcases to carry 23 guns, magazines, ammo, etc?
Post by: macsak on October 09, 2017, 10:40:48 AM
Also to add, but unconfirmed. The creator of the charger "killed himself" and his disabled daughter. But was found with a shotgun wound to the back of his head...
charger?
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 09, 2017, 11:23:13 AM
charger?
Charger for an electronic device that the gunman doesn't own. So it didn't fit in his phone. Word on the block is that the charger is for a specific type of phone that has a very thin battery used by SF/CIA. Again unconfirmed.
I'm selling tin foil hats. Buy 2 get 1 free.
Post by: dirtylickins on October 09, 2017, 11:31:25 AM
Post by: London808 on October 09, 2017, 04:50:26 PM
Post by: London808 on October 09, 2017, 04:51:37 PM
I'd like to add to the microwaves in the air. Regards to the note left.... so earlier reports of that mysterious note stated that the note showed evidence that perp. Had plans on surviving said attack according to note found in room. Now the note was just dope??? Putting on my ALUMINUM Foil hat back on...
I find it hard to believe that it was projctile info, he was shooting at a target the size of a football field.
Post by: oldfart on October 09, 2017, 04:55:16 PM
Post by: urusaibob on October 09, 2017, 08:32:20 PM
Post by: drck1000 on October 10, 2017, 08:00:42 AM
tin·foilWow. I guess someone got their panties all twisted on that and had to clarify the definition, which IMO opinion isn't correct. Tin is tin, and aluminum is aluminum. Two completely different elements, but I digress.
ˈtinˌfoil/Submit
noun
noun: tin-foil; noun: tin foil
foil made of aluminum or a similar silvery-gray metal, used especially for covering or wrapping food.
When people say stuff like "tin foil" I kind of have a laugh, especially when they aren't that old. Kind of like when I hear someone younger than me call the refrigerator an "ice box". :rofl:
Post by: Inspector on October 10, 2017, 08:57:01 AM
Wow. I guess someone got their panties all twisted on that and had to clarify the definition, which IMO opinion isn't correct. Tin is tin, and aluminum is aluminum. Two completely different elements, but I digress.Yeah, I wasn't going to respond to that. I was, after all, just trying to make a joke. But the fact is that it is not tinfoil you buy at the store any more. And tinfoil is not available at Costco. Though it is still available for purchase through specialty supply houses. So, technically what I said is true and correct.
When people say stuff like "tin foil" I kind of have a laugh, especially when they aren't that old. Kind of like when I hear someone younger than me call the refrigerator an "ice box". :rofl:
I was talking to a young engineer at my new place of employment. I said something about when I was a kid, my mother would wrap up the sandwiches she used to make me in wax paper. They gave me a totally strange look like are you crazy or something? I told them it was something commonly used back in my childhood. They just said "oh" and shrugged their shoulders. They really didn't care.
Post by: drck1000 on October 10, 2017, 09:11:44 AM
Yeah, I wasn't going to respond to that. I was, after all, just trying to make a joke. But the fact is that it is not tinfoil you buy at the store any more. And tinfoil is not available at Costco. Though it is still available for purchase through specialty supply houses. So, technically what I said is true and correct.:rofl:
I was talking to a young engineer at my new place of employment. I said something about when I was a kid, my mother would wrap up the sandwiches she used to make me in wax paper. They gave me a totally strange look like are you crazy or something? I told them it was something commonly used back in my childhood. They just said "oh" and shrugged their shoulders. They really didn't care.
Yeah, you're technically correct. At least IMO.
When I went to the eye doctor yesterday, they were filling out stuff on paper. They had previously had things all on the computer, but they switched recently. As the lady was filling out all the info, she joked about how their office was "advancing" to paper age. That one customer asked if they accepted credit cards as payments, which I assume was a joke. Anyways, they had this young optometrist in the office doing work shadow and I asked her if she knew about the old carbon copy CC machine and paper and she looked at me with this look of "what the fuck are you talking about". Well, maybe she was that young that she didn't have a credit card? ???
:rofl: :oops: :crazy:
Post by: oldfart on October 10, 2017, 09:18:39 AM
:rofl:....
Yeah, you're technically correct. At least IMO.
When I went to the eye doctor yesterday, they were filling out stuff on paper. They had previously had things all on the computer, but they switched recently. As the lady was filling out all the info, she joked about how their office was "advancing" to paper age. That one customer asked if they accepted credit cards as payments, which I assume was a joke. Anyways, they had this young optometrist in the office doing work shadow and I asked her if she knew about the old carbon copy CC machine and paper and she looked at me with this look of "what the fuck are you talking about". Well, maybe she was that young that she didn't have a credit card? ???
:rofl: :oops: :crazy:
Carbon paper and typewriters....a blast from the past
How about mimeograph copies? Loved the smell.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2017, 09:20:41 AM
Yeah, I wasn't going to respond to that. I was, after all, just trying to make a joke. But the fact is that it is not tinfoil you buy at the store any more. And tinfoil is not available at Costco. Though it is still available for purchase through specialty supply houses. So, technically what I said is true and correct.
I was talking to a young engineer at my new place of employment. I said something about when I was a kid, my mother would wrap up the sandwiches she used to make me in wax paper. They gave me a totally strange look like are you crazy or something? I told them it was something commonly used back in my childhood. They just said "oh" and shrugged their shoulders. They really didn't care.
Wax paper was before Saran Wrap and Ziplock bags.
Foil was for cooking and storing in the freezer. We used it in Scouts to cook meals under the fire's coals.
Wax paper was much cheaper. I remember using wax paper to cover dishes and putting a rubber band around it to hold it in place.
:D
Post by: dirtylickins on October 10, 2017, 09:20:50 AM
Turns out he shot a security guard 6 minutes before breaking the window and shooting peoplebut wasn't the security guard responding to the gunfire? That's why he was on the floor? Call from a room next door calling about gunfire ??? Gonna find a stronger hat ordering wax paper lined tin foil from amazon
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2017, 09:22:05 AM
but wasn't the security guard responding to the gunfire? That's why he was on the floor? Call from a room next door calling about gunfire ??? Gonna find a stronger hat ordering wax paper lined tin foil from amazon
No. The story has always been the guard was responding to a "door open" alarm on that floor.
Post by: drck1000 on October 10, 2017, 09:22:36 AM
Post by: drck1000 on October 10, 2017, 09:23:54 AM
but wasn't the security guard responding to the gunfire? That's why he was on the floor? Call from a room next door calling about gunfire ??? Gonna find a stronger hat ordering wax paper lined tin foil from amazon(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8096/8496835711_9a5c4749bd_z.jpg)
Post by: dirtylickins on October 10, 2017, 09:49:03 AM
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 10, 2017, 09:52:23 AM
but wasn't the security guard responding to the gunfire? That's why he was on the floor? Call from a room next door calling about gunfire ??? Gonna find a stronger hat ordering wax paper lined tin foil from amazon
Shooter did have cameras set up outside, so maybe when it alerted him to movement and saw a uniform he panicked and fired. So the party got started early.
Post by: shdws on October 10, 2017, 10:13:46 AM
...
OK, rolling suitcases then.....
How many trips up and down the elevator with suitcases to carry 23 guns, magazines, ammo, etc?
Probably 4 of 5 trips over the course of several days.
Lets say he rolled two suitcases at a time. You could probably fit 3 broken down ARs in each with optics/accessories without much trouble. 6 guns at a time x 4 trips = 24 guns. Fifth trip could be last suitcases with loaded magazines and power tools. If I were planning this, no way I would come to the event with loose ammo not already loaded in mags. You saw the fat stacks of surefire 100s. I dont think he was sitting in his room with a maglula with bulk packs of federal.
Not saying it happened that way, just that it would not be impossible to get done while flying under the radar.
Post by: dirtylickins on October 10, 2017, 10:16:58 AM
Post by: oldfart on October 10, 2017, 10:20:46 AM
Probably 4 of 5 trips over the course of several days.....
Lets say he rolled two suitcases at a time. You could probably fit 3 broken down ARs in each with optics/accessories without much trouble. 6 guns at a time x 4 trips = 24 guns. Fifth trip could be last suitcases with loaded magazines and power tools. If I were planning this, no way I would come to the event with loose ammo not already loaded in mags. You saw the fat stacks of surefire 100s. I dont think he was sitting in his room with a maglula with bulk packs of federal.
Not saying it happened that way, just that it would not be impossible to get done while flying under the radar.
The thing is that he could only check in on Saturday.
Then started shooting on Sunday night.
Of course it's possible but that's a helluva hustle for one 64 yr old man.
Post by: macsak on October 10, 2017, 10:23:59 AM
....
The thing is that he could only check in on Saturday.
Then started shooting on Sunday night.
Of course it's possible but that's a helluva hustle for one 64 yr old man.
i believe he checked in thursday
Post by: oldfart on October 10, 2017, 10:28:14 AM
i believe he checked in thursday...
I thought the news reports said he wanted to check in earlier but that room wasn't available until Saturday.
Post by: shdws on October 10, 2017, 10:35:54 AM
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I thought the news reports said he wanted to check in earlier but that room wasn't available until Saturday.
Well, we know the news is less than reliable.
He could have "borrowed" a bellhop's cart for a $20 tip for all we know and did it in one go. My only point was that its not hard to imagine plausible scenarios in which the shooter evaded detection while ferrying his arsenal.
I'm really not sure where you all are headed with the conspiracy theories. CIA? FBI? Gun grabbers? Antifa extremists? Annunaki?
The thing I find fishy is the door ajar alarm of a room. I've propped open countless hotel doors and have never been hassled for it. If it was a stairwell, thats different but I understand he screwed the door shut to the stairwell (according to the first responding officers) so thats probably out.
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2017, 10:53:40 AM
Well, we know the news is less than reliable.
He could have "borrowed" a bellhop's cart for a $20 tip for all we know and did it in one go. My only point was that its not hard to imagine plausible scenarios in which the shooter evaded detection while ferrying his arsenal.
I'm really not sure where you all are headed with the conspiracy theories. CIA? FBI? Gun grabbers? Antifa extremists? Annunaki?
The thing I find fishy is the door ajar alarm of a room. I've propped open countless hotel doors and have never been hassled for it. If it was a stairwell, thats different but I understand he screwed the door shut to the stairwell (according to the first responding officers) so thats probably out.
I don't remember them saying it was a guest's room with the open door. Might have been mechanical, stairwell, etc. He tried to use a metal brace and screws to keep the stairwell door shut. Luckily one of the Cops coming up the stairs had a pry bar.
Maybe Paddock opened that door when trying to lock it down and set off an alarm.
Not enough info to know which alarm they were seeing.
Post by: aieahound on October 10, 2017, 10:55:18 AM
Post by: shdws on October 10, 2017, 10:59:39 AM
I don't remember them saying it was a guest's room with the open door. Might have been mechanical, stairwell, etc. He tried to use a metal brace and screws to keep the stairwell door shut. Luckily one of the Cops coming up the stairs had a pry bar.
Maybe Paddock opened that door when trying to lock it down and set off an alarm.
Not enough info to know which alarm they were seeing.
Yea, we really dont know other than the leaked info that the press gets and feeds it to us after they put their on spin on things. A plausible explanation for the alarm investigation is that the stairwell door was an "Alarm will Sound" if opened type door and he set that one off while he was securing it.
I'd imagine that if he was fussing with a mechanical door like for the elevators that he would be fully aware that his actions would alert somebody, somewhere and avoid that. If it was a coincidence, maybe there is a bearded old man sitting in the clouds somewhere.
Post by: oldfart on October 10, 2017, 11:30:26 AM
Well, we know the news is less than reliable.==============
I'm really not sure where you all are headed with the conspiracy theories. CIA? FBI? Gun grabbers? Antifa extremists? Annunaki?
I dunno either...
The whole thing just stinks.
Post by: s197 on October 10, 2017, 03:05:57 PM
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Post by: pj_benn on October 10, 2017, 06:32:39 PM
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I thought the news reports said he wanted to check in earlier but that room wasn't available until Saturday.
news report i read said he checked in thurs but into a different room. they moved him to the room he requested on sat
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 10, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
news report i read said he checked in thurs but into a different room. they moved him to the room he requested on sat
From the reports I read, he gets comps all other the Strip. It seems like he asked for the suite Thurs, but it wasn't available as you said. So he used a smaller room until that was empty on Sat.
Lots of high rollers don't bother making reservations. They show up and ask for a room, and the pit supervisors set it up. He wouldn't even have to go to the lobby for the key if the boss delivers it.
I've seen it many times. Even people who already have a room in another hotel are offered a suite if they'll move. There's no telling how many rooms he checked into and out of that week, and in which hotels. Hopefully the investigation can figure that out.
Post by: dafrtknocker on October 10, 2017, 07:28:17 PM
https://youtu.be/ibKvcwa6MIg
Post by: drck1000 on October 11, 2017, 07:52:34 AM
Well, we know the news is less than reliable.Personally, I'm not going anywhere with any of that. I'm just trying to collect facts and often the facts can provide a rational explanation for much of the conjecture flying around on the matter. That and everyone (MSM, social media, etc) is an expert these days and so many eating all of that stuff up. Drives me crazy. That and people so quick to try to explain something are often passing on speculation as truth.
He could have "borrowed" a bellhop's cart for a $20 tip for all we know and did it in one go. My only point was that its not hard to imagine plausible scenarios in which the shooter evaded detection while ferrying his arsenal.
I'm really not sure where you all are headed with the conspiracy theories. CIA? FBI? Gun grabbers? Antifa extremists? Annunaki?
The thing I find fishy is the door ajar alarm of a room. I've propped open countless hotel doors and have never been hassled for it. If it was a stairwell, thats different but I understand he screwed the door shut to the stairwell (according to the first responding officers) so thats probably out.
Do things not quite add up or make sense? No, they don't. At least based on the information that I've seen so far. Will we ever have answers to all of the questions? I would say likely not. Though as information from the investigation gets revealed here and there, many questions are getting answered. Sometimes the explanation is a simple one, but it seems fun for many to let their imagination run wild as to so many conspiracies.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 11, 2017, 09:53:04 AM
Post by: drck1000 on October 11, 2017, 10:32:30 AM
I was just pointing out my suspicions (false flag) and wondering if anyone else thought the same. Like how steel doesn't melt at 1500 degrees...It depends if you're talking F or C. . . ;D
I'm not an expert at material science, but I do know (from experience) that structural steel can lose load bearing capacity at well below it's melting point.
I'm not saying that there aren't questions on the Vegas incident. I have many myself. I was just sharing my opinion that many have taken theories to extremes.
Post by: drck1000 on October 13, 2017, 08:22:57 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/13/las-vegas-security-guard-jesus-campos-disappears-moments-before-tv-interviews.html)
Hope he doesn't end up buried in the hills in an unmarked grave out past Terlingua. . .
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 13, 2017, 09:24:53 AM
1) Jesse Campos is not registered as a security guard with Nevada. All security guards are required to do this and list if they're armed or unarmed. This is a public data base.
https://nevadapilb.glsuite.us/
2) Timeline is different from PD and hotel claims (wheres the video)
3) Gun powder residue on Campos is greater than it should be
4) Paddoks Reno home was broken into
5) Campos was arrested as 2nd gunman (unconfirmed)
6) No electronic finger prints from Paddok (no computers mentioned as missing or ceased, no phone mention either)
7) People who turned in their phones that had video of the concert, got their phones back with videos erased
8) Youtube censoring "conspiracy videos" (My video I posted earlier has been removed)
9) Regarding above video, rate of fire sounded like a 240/belt fed not a "bump fire/stock"
10) Why would he not buy a magpul drum mag which is far more reliable than the surefire one. Magpul awarded contract with the Marines for Pmags, so if they got sued and went bankrupt, there goes all the Pmags.
11) Paper on desk in the crime scene photos said to have trajectories on it. In a crowd of 20,000 you can't miss and no trajectories needed if using a bump fire stock.