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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: RSN172 on October 25, 2017, 03:06:11 PM

Title: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: RSN172 on October 25, 2017, 03:06:11 PM
Guess things will remain the same as far as no gun rights are concerned.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 25, 2017, 03:10:54 PM
Guess things will remain the same as far as no gun rights are concerned.

Until the voters get to select the police chief, or there is a purge in the halls of Hawaii government, that will never change.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: suka on October 25, 2017, 07:09:05 PM
Guess things will remain the same as far as no gun rights are concerned.

She currently works in the Records Division,  :P
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: ren on October 25, 2017, 07:15:43 PM
She owns no mailboxes - she uses PO Box
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 25, 2017, 07:27:23 PM
I have heard good things about her.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: RSN172 on October 25, 2017, 07:39:01 PM
I have heard good things about her.

Bet you she still won't issue CCW permits.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: London808 on October 25, 2017, 08:26:16 PM
I have heard good things about her.

Like she was sued for changing answers on entry exams for new officers and then had all the evidence destroyed before they could be sued as evidence ?
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: ren on October 25, 2017, 08:31:27 PM
Like she was sued for changing answers on entry exams for new officers and then had all the evidence destroyed before they could be sued as evidence ?

well I heard she stored them in a mailbox and it got stolen...
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: RSN172 on October 25, 2017, 10:59:31 PM
well I heard she stored them in a mailbox and it got stolen...

Das why she use PO Box now.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 26, 2017, 08:34:05 AM
Like she was sued for changing answers on entry exams for new officers and then had all the evidence destroyed before they could be sued as evidence ?

Did she get the job because she's female?
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: rklapp on October 26, 2017, 11:15:26 AM
Sounds like she'll Crack down on DV so be extra nice to your spouse/significant other or the cops will be knocking on your door for your guns.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 26, 2017, 12:19:49 PM
Did she get the job because she's female?

Part of the reason she was selected (according to comments on the news last night) is she was not part of the HPD higher command, meaning she was unlikely to have been part of the corruption being investigated/charged.

She was also the only finalist who is an active police officer.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: 2ahavvaii on October 26, 2017, 12:57:33 PM
Would it not be better to bring in someone who's not a current police office (and therefore not tied to any current HPD corruption), and also bring in an outsider, who doesn't have any hawaii "old boy" network connections?  And weren't the current commissioners involved in giving kealoha a clean bill of heath, not to mention the cash payout, even after he was indicted?

So they're basically hiring her to be in charge of everything because she's a female and was never really in charge of everything before. 
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 26, 2017, 01:43:24 PM
Would it not be better to bring in someone who's not a current police office (and therefore not tied to any current HPD corruption), and also bring in an outsider, who doesn't have any hawaii "old boy" network connections?  And weren't the current commissioners involved in giving kealoha a clean bill of heath, not to mention the cash payout, even after he was indicted?

So they're basically hiring her to be in charge of everything because she's a female and was never really in charge of everything before.

She's got 32 years experience at HPD.  That counts quite a bit.

The commission also said they were swayed by her answers during the interview on restoring public confidence in the department and continuing to work on the problems there.

I'm not arguing she's the best choice.  Just don't think it's fair to trash her before she's had a chance.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: zippz on October 26, 2017, 03:08:02 PM
Would it not be better to bring in someone who's not a current police office (and therefore not tied to any current HPD corruption), and also bring in an outsider, who doesn't have any hawaii "old boy" network connections?

What your describing is the police commissioners who are the outsiders looking in.  You want an experienced police chief cause they need to know what is right and wrong in the job.  The commission and state prosecutor were the big problems in the kealoha case who brushed things off.  If they fail at their jobs then the feds takeover so the system did work.

Perhaps the commissioners need more authority to investigate and have their role defined better.  Kinda hard though since they're volunteers.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: aieahound on October 26, 2017, 03:36:44 PM
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Oct/07/br/hawaii91007087.html

Too bad it wasn't a federal offense.

Out with the old, in with the old.

Edit:

Here's another good read of HPD workings with Ballard allegedly involved:

https://cases.justia.com/federal/district-courts/hawaii/hidce/1:2008cv00520/83238/59/0.pdf
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: 2ahavvaii on October 26, 2017, 06:38:30 PM
She's got 32 years experience at HPD.  That counts quite a bit.

The commission also said they were swayed by her answers during the interview on restoring public confidence in the department and continuing to work on the problems there.

I'm not arguing she's the best choice.  Just don't think it's fair to trash her before she's had a chance.

Fair enough, but I'm somewhat jaded by the entire process and corrupt officials.  Was kealoha himself not heralded as some beacon of light when he was first appointed HPD chief?

What your describing is the police commissioners who are the outsiders looking in.  You want an experienced police chief cause they need to know what is right and wrong in the job.  The commission and state prosecutor were the big problems in the kealoha case who brushed things off.  If they fail at their jobs then the feds takeover so the system did work.

Perhaps the commissioners need more authority to investigate and have their role defined better.  Kinda hard though since they're volunteers.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't super clear.  It could be someone from a different PO, say Texas or wherever or it could be a retired PO, who's been out of the game for a number of years.  These types of people should be an outsider, at least to the current band of shibai and corruption during kealoha's era, but still have the experience for the chief's job. 

The commission, prosecutors, mayor, everyone share some blame, but the biggest fault lay with the chief and the officers under him, who need to show the public they have - integrity, honesty, respect.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 27, 2017, 08:50:27 AM
I'm going to contact HPD and try to get a message to her on her stance on what is "exceptional circumstance".
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: ren on October 27, 2017, 08:55:04 AM
I'm going to contact HPD and try to get a message to her on her stance on what is "exceptional circumstance".

she will refer you to her legal counsel - Alison Lee Wong
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 27, 2017, 12:30:07 PM
she will refer you to her legal counsel - Alison Lee Wong

In case people have any confusion over who Wong is ....

http://www.civilbeat.org/2017/10/hpd-corruption-case-who-is-alison-lee-wong/
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: 2ahavvaii on October 27, 2017, 02:12:22 PM
maybe Alison is the name of her favorite accessory? After all, she did work hard at the Y, and was always hanging out there.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: hvybarrels on October 27, 2017, 02:19:17 PM
she will refer you to her legal counsel - Alison Lee Wong

That just sounds all wrong.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: eyeeatingfish on October 29, 2017, 09:00:51 PM
Bet you she still won't issue CCW permits.

Oh, I won't be holding my breath on that one. Haven't heard anything to suggest where she would stand on that specific issue.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: 6716J on November 13, 2017, 01:01:51 PM
So has anyone applied since she became Chief?

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Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: ptanabe on December 07, 2017, 11:57:43 AM
STRIKE 1

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/12/07/hawaii-news/hpd-in-error-over-cannabis-patients-with-guns-chief-says/?HSA=ef7ce414e218674ae3b48ae1e6ab26026109f482
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: London808 on December 07, 2017, 12:07:43 PM
STRIKE 1

http://www.staradvertiser.com/2017/12/07/hawaii-news/hpd-in-error-over-cannabis-patients-with-guns-chief-says/?HSA=ef7ce414e218674ae3b48ae1e6ab26026109f482

I would actually say that legally in this case they were right.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: ptanabe on December 07, 2017, 12:19:14 PM
But inconsistent. If we agree that federal trumps state and county then by that standard, they should arrest state employers, employees and legislators that facilitate this program.
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: aieahound on December 07, 2017, 01:34:51 PM
Ha!

Never really thought about that.

If we're going "technically" then they're all aiding and abetting the distribution of illegal Class 1 drugs.

Would that be racketeering since since they set up a "criminal" enterprise?
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: Surf on December 07, 2017, 09:33:19 PM
OK, so what I am getting is that 2A people in Hawaii (not necessarily saying this forum) want to follow Fed Laws when it comes to possible CCW reciprocity, but want to follow State law when it comes to Marijana?
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: ren on December 07, 2017, 09:36:25 PM
OK, so what I am getting is that 2A people in Hawaii (not necessarily saying this forum) want to follow Fed Laws when it comes to possible CCW reciprocity, but want to follow State law when it comes to Marijana?

I'm for following all laws. I was brought up in the Nancy Reagan era. Just say no. Oh and SSG Barnes too...."I am reality"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bw8UM1eLFo
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: Surf on December 07, 2017, 09:59:57 PM
I'm for following all laws. I was brought up in the Nancy Reagan era. Just say no. Oh and SSG Barnes too...."I am reality"
Me too.  Was out of high school when that classic first came out. 
Title: Re: Susan Ballard is new HPD Chief
Post by: aieahound on December 07, 2017, 11:43:18 PM
Why should only the Fed and the State get to pick and choose what laws they follow and enforce?

I'm just thinking if they're really going to enforce marijuana laws as written by the Fed, go all in.
Arrest all the doctors who prescribe it, the legislators who legalized it, the State workers who manage it, the owners, growers and employees of the dispensaries.
All in violation of Federal Law.
With heavy penalty for distribution.
If they're paying State taxes on it it's racketeering all the way up to the State which is profiting from illegal narcotic sales.

I don't smoke weed so I have no real dog in the fight, but their selective enforcement is a farce.
They only enforce it against 2A practicers?
Not to mention people can take Demerol, OxyContin, Xanax, Prozac etc. And still own firearms.

P.S. I understand HPD is only enforcing State law. So they should change the State law re: LEGAL ( under State law) marijuana users.
And nothing in State law that I'm aware of says CCW is illegal if you have a permit to carry. Fed law would just make out of state permits valid in Hawaii.