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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: RSN172 on December 12, 2017, 07:57:35 PM
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For first time in 25 years Alabama has a Democrat to replace Jeff Sessions seat. Republicans now have only a +1 majority. Bad news for 2A rights, especially with a no balls SCOTUS who are too afraid to take a right to carry case and settle this once and for all.
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aww f***k
recount!? :'(
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We can thank Senate Leader Mitch McConnell,spent millions in the primary to trash the conservative, which only helped Democrats against Roy Moore.
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The Senate needs to pass CCW before the end of the year.
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The Senate needs to pass CCW before the end of the year.
I don't think that is going to happen. They all like go home for the holidays. We have a do nothing Congress and a gutless Supreme Court.
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After Daniel Inouye died, the HI Gov was able to name Schitz to take his place without an election. Is the Alabama law different? Could the Alabama Gov have just appointed a replacement for Sessions?
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After Daniel Inouye died, the HI Gov was able to name Schitz to take his place without an election. Is the Alabama law different? Could the Alabama Gov have just appointed a replacement for Sessions?
I was wondering the same thing. The MN Governor named their Dem Lt. Gov to replace Al Franken. I assumed it depends on each state to specify how it goes.
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state laws are different
they could always take a pagebook from obama and pass it the same way obamacare got passed
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After Daniel Inouye died, the HI Gov was able to name Schitz to take his place without an election. Is the Alabama law different? Could the Alabama Gov have just appointed a replacement for Sessions?
All Hawaii lawmakers are appointed. If the people look like they might go for a different pick, than the chosen ones, they run out of ballots, and you know, traffic and such.... but don't worry, they investigated themselves, and found no foul play.
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The Seventeenth Amendment to the Constitution (1913) established direct election of senators, as well as a means of filling vacant Senate seats. If a vacancy occurs due to a senator's death, resignation, or expulsion, the Seventeenth Amendment allows state legislatures to empower the governor to appoint a replacement to complete the term or to hold office until a special election can take place. There are a few exceptions to this rule. Some states require a special election to fill a vacancy. A few states require the governor to appoint a replacement of the same political party as the previous incumbent. The date when a senator appointed to fill a vacancy is succeeded by a senator elected to fill the remainder of the term depends on a number of factors.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senators_appointed.htm (https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/senators_appointed.htm)
Learned today that Akaka was appointed back in 1990.
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Republicans see silver lining in Doug Jones victory in Alabama
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/13/republicans-see-silver-lining-in-doug-jones-victory-in-alabama.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/13/republicans-see-silver-lining-in-doug-jones-victory-in-alabama.html)
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The republicans need to come together like how the dems do to bash Trump. They need to protect him. But they're to afraid of being associated with him to do much. So basically it's Trump vs. everyone else.
Although in Moores case, he was treated unfairly by the media, especially after 1 of his accusers admitted to forging the yearbook. But regarding issues, I'm 50/50 for Jones/Moore.
1 reason why I did like Moore was because he's pro 2A. He took out his EDC while giving a speech.
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We can thank Senate Leader Mitch McConnell,spent millions in the primary to trash the conservative, which only helped Democrats against Roy Moore.
Wouldn't have mattered. Moore shot himself in the foot. No one to blame but him.
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Wouldn't have mattered. Moore shot himself in the foot. No one to blame but him.
Yeah, he was stupid to set himself up as a sexual predator alleged to have happened over 30 years ago and using a forged yearbook signature as evidence.
What was he thinking? :rofl: :rofl:.
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Yeah, he was stupid to set himself up as a sexual predator alleged to have happened over 30 years ago and using a forged yearbook signature as evidence.
What was he thinking? :rofl: :rofl:.
The yearbook was not proven to be forged for starters, way to misrepresent the facts. To clarify for everyone, she stated she added notes to the signature, which is not the same thing as forgery as you suggest.
And it wasn't just his MULTIPLE alleged sexual assault and inappropriate sexual behavior claims that did him in, he made stupid comments about it as well. Then of course there are his suspiciously racist comments like how America was great during slavery!?
McConnell didn't matter, in fact I think McConnell probably tried to do the best thing for the party.
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The yearbook was not proven to be forged for starters, way to misrepresent the facts. To clarify for everyone, she stated she added notes to the signature, which is not the same thing as forgery as you suggest.
And it wasn't just his MULTIPLE alleged sexual assault and inappropriate sexual behavior claims that did him in, he made stupid comments about it as well. Then of course there are his suspiciously racist comments like how America was great during slavery!?
McConnell didn't matter, in fact I think McConnell probably tried to do the best thing for the party.
LOL! I guess you're going to believe Snopes and not your "lying" eyes, huh? Typical Liberal response. We know she didn't forge the writing because she said she did write it, but didn't say so until the image was made available on the Internet?
She wouldn't lie about lying, would she? :rofl:
(https://i.imgur.com/XDxHKTa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nCslQA0.jpg?1)
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even if part of it was forged, her lying about it (isn't she an attorney)? cast into doubt the entire thing.
They were going to test the ink, which is the only reason why she backtracked.
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even if part of it was forged, her lying about it (isn't she an attorney)? cast into doubt the entire thing.
They were going to test the ink, which is the only reason why she backtracked.
You can tell by the signature comparison I posted the yearbook signature, independent of the "notes" added, is not even close. The "R" at the start doesn't even follow the way he makes his "R".
But, we have to believe her, because she has manufactured evidence, and he only has his word that her 30+ year old story that suddenly became public in an election is fabricated.
Sorry. If you wait 30 years to come forward and only during a hotly contested election for the US Senate, and with a lawyer famous for representing others who only have accused Republicans/Conservatives, I'm going to disbelieve anything short of real, bonafide evidence.
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Moore, as a judge, ruled against her in a divorce case (I believe in 1999). His signature was on the court document. Note that the "D.A." appeared on that court document as it is the initials of his secretary who signed those documents for the judge. Moore was not "District Attorney" in 1977, so he wouldn't have added "D.A." for any reason. I don't know, maybe the secretary had a time machine and went back to 1977 and signed the yearbook for him? Or maybe that was "another notation" the claimant added but forgot to mention?
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Moore, as a judge, ruled against her in a divorce case (I believe in 1999). His signature was on the court document. Note that the "D.A." appeared on that court document as it is the initials of his secretary who signed those documents for the judge. Moore was not "District Attorney" in 1977, so he wouldn't have added "D.A." for any reason. I don't know, maybe the secretary had a time machine and went back to 1977 and signed the yearbook for him? Or maybe that was "another notation" the claimant added but forgot to mention?
He said his signature in 1977 would have included "ADA" since he was an Assistant DA, which was what he added if he added anything. So, it shows he did not, and would not, have used or added the "DA" in the yearbook.
I think only a DA would believe this woman to start with.
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It's a little absurd. Age of consent in Hawaii is 15 last time I checked and it doesn't seem to have a negative impact. Yeah a 30 yo dude going after young girls is kind of creepy especially when you consider where girls heads are at during that age, but the 30yo also gets a lot of pressure from society and friends to date within their own decade (or at least wait until they are in their mid 20's so they have reasonable conversation skills when you take them out with friends).
It was a long time ago, doesn't seem like anybody got hurt, and in my opinion not a really good reason to ruin someone's political career.
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I really can't say if he did molest a bunch of people in the past or present. If I had to hazard a guess, I would be inclined to say that he did.
Also, IMO A LOT of these 30 year old #metoo style claims are pretty much after the fact witch hunting. Yes, many are true, but others are merely unwanted flirting/courting/creepy behavior/regret sex. And to bring stuff up decades later - to get your 2 seconds in the spotlight, because the other party is famous, because you regret your actions in a quid pro quo situation is quite lame and just bandwaggoning. Right now, society is dangerously crossing the line from legitimate claims that should be prosecuted (if true and with sufficient evidence, and within statute of limitations) to people just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
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The most important concept of our justice system is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
We seem to be abandoning that in the news
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The most important concept of our justice system is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
We seem to be abandoning that in the news
I also don't like how the media blasts the accused name, while protecting the identity of the accuser. There are A LOT of fake harrassment rape claims, and they drag innocent people's names through the mud. Why not wait until they are guilty in a court of law before encouraging people to throw stones? Oh yeah, I forgot, viewership = $$$$$. Who cares if it's a false accusation.
Look at the case of Tyler Strong. He was eviscerated in the media and general public, but in court it was revealed that the intercourse was likely consensual, and that the girl (name protected), simply regretted it after the fact, and likely used sex with Strong to "get back" at another boyfriend.
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The most important concept of our justice system is that people are innocent until proven guilty.
We seem to be abandoning that in the news
It's called "The Court of Public Opinion." Nothing new about it. What's different is the speed with which the information travels, the number of news outlets involved, and the size of the audience reached compared to pre-Internet days.
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Little to no bad press about all the dems accused of sexual assault, but for Moore, he was in the media for a long time compared to others.
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LOL! I guess you're going to believe Snopes and not your "lying" eyes, huh? Typical Liberal response. We know she didn't forge the writing because she said she did write it, but didn't say so until the image was made available on the Internet?
She wouldn't lie about lying, would she? :rofl:
(https://i.imgur.com/nCslQA0.jpg?1)
Didn't get it from snopes genius, great straw man argument though! And by great I mean hollow.
You are believing what you want to believe. She stated that it was from Moore. She then came out and stated that she added some notes. Sure, this is a red flag and we should question why she didn't say this later, but concluding that the whole thing was a forgery would be a non sequitur.
Are you a handwriting expert or you think you can post a picture of two signatures with a little bit of highlighter and think it proves this was all a lie? Are you seeking the truth or seeking what reinforces your current beliefs?
You also conveniently ignored the other facts I mention. There were multiple reports of sexual misconduct and his very questionable comments about race and slavery. Moore lost this election by himself.
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Didn't get it from snopes genius, great straw man argument though! And by great I mean hollow.
You are believing what you want to believe. She stated that it was from Moore. She then came out and stated that she added some notes. Sure, this is a red flag and we should question why she didn't say this later, but concluding that the whole thing was a forgery would be a non sequitur.
Are you a handwriting expert or you think you can post a picture of two signatures with a little bit of highlighter and think it proves this was all a lie? Are you seeking the truth or seeking what reinforces your current beliefs?
You also conveniently ignored the other facts I mention. There were multiple reports of sexual misconduct and his very questionable comments about race and slavery. Moore lost this election by himself.
Other facts are meaningless when the accuser's credibility is now in question. And by "in question", I mean "totally blown away." :rofl:
By the way, anyone hear from Moore's accusers since the election other than the new "story" about "I added notes right next to AND underneath the signature written by a different hand?"
** crickets **
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What's different is the speed with which the information travels, the number of news outlets involved
You left out: the ideological agenda behind the accusations has a life of it's own. With a totally one-sided MSM, this only flows one way.
When was the last time anyone saw a fake news retraction?
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You left out: the ideological agenda behind the accusations has a life of it's own. With a totally one-sided MSM, this only flows one way.
When was the last time anyone saw a fake news retraction?
Yep. That's been the main point the last month every time Sanders is asked about Fake News accusations.
If the "errors" were truly unintended, you would expect about half of them to be harmful to Trump, and the other half to be helpful to Trump or harmful to those opposing him. Yet, the reports that contain unsubstantiated BS that's later shown to be just that is harmful to the President, his administration or his agenda.
Anyone who understands statistics knows people follow a pattern in their methods. If they were wrong because of their processes or methods, the distribution would be wider. Instead, the "mistakes" are always focused on one target: Trump.
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Like a failed CEO, Trump needs to resign so Pence can take over and stop this sinking ship before we all drown. Yes, I know the Dems and the fake news and the allegations and the judges and the FBI and Killary emails and flaky GOP Senators and Mueller are to blame, but the buck stops with the commander and these are difficult times. If he quits now then the GOP might be able to save the midterm elections. I know you're not happy with this but it's the elephant in the room.
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Like a failed CEO, Trump needs to resign so Pence can take over and stop this sinking ship before we all drown. Yes, I know the Dems and the fake news and the allegations and the judges and the FBI and Killary emails and flaky GOP Senators and Mueller are to blame, but the buck stops with the commander and these are difficult times. If he quits now then the GOP might be able to save the midterm elections. I know you're not happy with this but it's the elephant in the room.
Wrong.
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Like a failed CEO, Trump needs to resign so Pence can take over and stop this sinking ship before we all drown. Yes, I know the Dems and the fake news and the allegations and the judges and the FBI and Killary emails and flaky GOP Senators and Mueller are to blame, but the buck stops with the commander and these are difficult times. If he quits now then the GOP might be able to save the midterm elections. I know you're not happy with this but it's the elephant in the room.
I'm trying to see how trump is sinking the ship? The economy is booming, jobs are on a comeback, stock market is the highest it has ever been in history..... Maybe the ones sinking the ship are the ones that constantly and continually pull the corks out of the leaks! I've never seen so much hate for a president, and so much bullshit being thrown in that direction from every which way!
A lesser man would have given up a long time ago, in light of that much friction...
Maybe the status quo is the ones who need to be looked at VERYY VERY CLOSELY. We'll never get that from the controlled media, nor other outlets, that previously where depended on to get FACTS from, even in the face of going against the grain. All I see is a tank of raw sewage, and no hope of finding the diamonds amongst the turds.
Just SAYIN
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Like a failed CEO, Trump needs to resign so Pence can take over and stop this sinking ship before we all drown. Yes, I know the Dems and the fake news and the allegations and the judges and the FBI and Killary emails and flaky GOP Senators and Mueller are to blame, but the buck stops with the commander and these are difficult times. If he quits now then the GOP might be able to save the midterm elections. I know you're not happy with this but it's the elephant in the room.
Dont look liek the ship is sinking from here.
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/ship-made-money-water-5687956.jpg)
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Other facts are meaningless when the accuser's credibility is now in question. And by "in question", I mean "totally blown away." :rofl:
By the way, anyone hear from Moore's accusers since the election other than the new "story" about "I added notes right next to AND underneath the signature written by a different hand?"
** crickets **
Yes, I already stated her later addition about the signature hurts her credibility but it doesn't mean she is lying. However, like I pointed out, even if you throw out her testimony, there are more accusers. If it was a single accuser I would be ready to believe this was a hit piece but that is not the case so I believe the allegations in general to be true.
Are you complaining that the news hasn't gone back and interviewed her again after the election? What does this prove?
By the way, CNN did interview her after the election results so....