2aHawaii
General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: stangzilla on December 19, 2017, 09:31:10 PM
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http://m.hawaiinewsnow.com/hawaiinewsnow/db_330510/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=TlQbqWdE
This one is near a friend's house
2 masked men armed and in police uniforms break in through the window and yell "swat"
Handcuff the victims and rob them
What would you do if this happened in your house?
Since they are armed, once they yell swat, do you comply or do you defend yourself?
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Are police allowed to enter through a window? That might be a giveaway they aren't legit. If they got the drop on you, might not have time to arm and defend.
Hard situation.
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Well, I'm considering getting a big dog now.
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If they aren't wearing SWAT gear and yell "SWAT!", I will have to decide if I can pull my G17 faster than they can figure out what went wrong. My German Shepherd will probably buy me a few seconds.
Chances are, if they know I have my dog, they'll pick another house anyway. :thumbsup:
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5 g in cash?
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No warrant = shoot them. Whether they're cops, swat, pretend cops, your high school teacher, or Barack obama, without a warrant, it's a break in.
It's like a cop that attempts a traffic stop without being in a cop car. Don't trust it. Even if they're wearing "swat gear". You can buy "swat gear" on Amazon for Halloween.
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I thought I heard a similar break-in story not 6 months ago, but that one they came through the front door and I thought it was caught on video.
Tough situation this one in that they broke in through the window and I assume they caught the occupants unaware. $5000 in cash? Dayum! I mean I have valuables around the house, but that's quite a bit of cash.
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You'll have a hard decision in a case like this. Assuming you're legit, there are extremely low odds of it being actual SWAT with a no knock entry and raiding the wrong house. However it's highly likely you will die if you fire on them. On the other hand it's higher odds it's criminal imposters with lower odds of them killing you if you fire on them. Also how quickly can you retrieve your firearm?
I'd barricade myself in a room or flee and call 911.
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No warrant = shoot them. Whether they're cops, swat, pretend cops, your high school teacher, or Barack obama, without a warrant, it's a break in.
It's like a cop that attempts a traffic stop without being in a cop car. Don't trust it. Even if they're wearing "swat gear". You can buy "swat gear" on Amazon for Halloween.
Exactly. I'd shoot anyone that forcibly entered my house and I am always armed or within arms reach of a firearm.
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You'll have a hard decision in a case like this. Assuming you're legit, there are extremely low odds of it being actual SWAT with a no knock entry and raiding the wrong house. However it's highly likely you will die if you fire on them. On the other hand it's higher odds it's criminal imposters with lower odds of them killing you if you fire on them. Also how quickly can you retrieve your firearm?
I'd barricade myself in a room or flee and call 911.
This has happened before, with I think a swat officer getting shot and killed. The homeowner wasn't shot If you're going to execute a no-knock warrant, you had better damn make sure you got the right house. Regardless of who gets shot, the cops or the homeowner or BOTH, it is a really shitty situation to be in (if it's real swat). That being said, like you mentioned, there are much higher odds that it's imposters.
Barracading/fleeing is great if it happens to be a possibility.... firearm isn't always a possibility either. I think it really depends on the situation. If you have a guy at the front and back door, and if your interior doors/locks are shitty (99.99% of the time they are), those might not be good options. Especially if you dont have much time.If you can do so quickly, I would retrieve the firearm for self defense purposes first, then consider finding a hiding spot and calling the cops. Because if they intruders find you, your hiding spot and the police aren't going to save you.
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Since this is Hawaii and no-knock warrants aren't as plentiful compared to Chicago, Detroit, etc...I'm going assume they aren't real PD.
If they are and I survive, then they got the wrong home because I'm not doing anything illegal, so I won't have to work the rest of my life due to city payout.
But 5K cash inside the home does sound fishy. No one I know keeps that much cash in their home.
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Since this is Hawaii and no-knock warrants aren't as plentiful compared to Chicago, Detroit, etc...I'm going assume they aren't real PD.
If they are and I survive, then they got the wrong home because I'm not doing anything illegal, so I won't have to work the rest of my life due to city payout.
But 5K cash inside the home does sound fishy. No one I know keeps that much cash in their home.
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That you know of at least. Not really something people (should) advertise. It is possible the residents are simply wealthy. They did have a rolex. And normally if you're involved in illegal activities, you wouldn't call the cops to report a robbery anyways, unless you want to be dumb like the card guy in breaking bad.
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That you know of at least. Not really something people (should) advertise. It is possible the residents are simply wealthy. They did have a rolex. And normally if you're involved in illegal activities, you wouldn't call the cops to report a robbery anyways, unless you want to be dumb like the card guy in breaking bad.
It took me a second. I believe you are referring to the Baseball Card guy in Better Call Saul. Great scene, especially because you know similar stuff happens all the time.
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But 5K cash inside the home does sound fishy. No one I know keeps that much cash in their home.
5k isn't as much as it used to be. A couple month's rent and groceries maybe. Which is about the amount that prepper/survival sites recommend keeping on hand in case of a banking crisis, natural disaster, or emp attack.
It's only cops who would say that amount looks suspicious, and that's because they are drooling to confiscate under civil forfeiture/highway robbery statues.
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First thing that came to my mind was drug dealers, then I saw the Diamond Head address and thought $5k cash isn't much when those homes cost $2 million and up and their incomes start at $250,000.
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First thing that came to my mind was drug dealers, then I saw the Diamond Head address and thought $5k cash isn't much when those homes cost $2 million and up and their incomes start at $250,000.
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oh yeah, the high rent district.
5G cash is insignificant. Typical Rolex is worth more than that.
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5k isn't as much as it used to be. A couple month's rent and groceries maybe. Which is about the amount that prepper/survival sites recommend keeping on hand in case of a banking crisis, natural disaster, or emp attack.
It's only cops who would say that amount looks suspicious, and that's because they are drooling to confiscate under civil forfeiture/highway robbery statues.
yeah, on prepper/end of the world sites, i've seen $1k in small denomination bills recommended as the minimum for natural disaster type events.
$5k in a dresser drawer is pocket change to rich people. The only thing that surprised me was that the couple is relatively young. I would have thought it to be elderly or something
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The homeowner posted up on "stolen stuff Hawaii" on fb.
She thinks it was someone they knew, because according to her they were detained for 5 hours and the theives didn't believe that was all money they had. They continued searching through old furniture and the entire house. Also she said $5000 is not a lot, because that's the typical rent/ mortgage prices in that area.
She says now they are installing 3 alarm systems.
What takes the cake is her response about using a firearm for self defense though
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oh yeah, the high rent district.
5G cash is insignificant. Typical Rolex is worth more than that.
You can insure the Rolley, and other valuables. Even your guns.
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Stories like this is why I can't fathom how anyone would "SWAT" someone by making a false report. That was becoming commonplace among some gamers so the Cops interrupted the competition during an online gaming session. Others have been just to harass the target home residents for revenge or some petty beef.
It makes you wonder, even if you're not doing anything the Cops should care about, whether there is still a chance of them breaking in on false reports of hearing gunshots, woman screaming, brandishing out the window, etc.
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This might be a case to have a firearm in every room of the house. Hmmmm.... I guess I gots to get more guns.
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This is why Massad Ayoob strongly recommends carrying a firearm on your person at all times in the home.
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“P.O.G.O. : pants on, gun on” courtesy The Polite Society Podcast
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The homeowner posted up on "stolen stuff Hawaii" on fb.
She thinks it was someone they knew, because according to her they were detained for 5 hours and the theives didn't believe that was all money they had. They continued searching through old furniture and the entire house. Also she said $5000 is not a lot, because that's the typical rent/ mortgage prices in that area.
She says now they are installing 3 alarm systems.
What takes the cake is her response about using a firearm for self defense though
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What did she say?