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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: mrgaf on January 02, 2018, 08:03:20 AM
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Wild Wild West! Me thinks inside job or someone who knows them...........
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/01/01/breaking-news/kumu-hula-former-miss-hawaii-robbed-at-gunpoint-in-mililani-home/
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these guys pretty brazen, doing em on new years eve, and when they know people are likely to be home. Smart in a way too cause the fireworks noise and hpd responding to nuisance call provide cover.
“He kept pushing the gun up against my head,” she recalled, adding that the man confronting her called her aunty but gestured to the bangs of fireworks outside and said: “You see that? No one will know the difference (between the sound of fireworks and a gunshot). We have no problem to shoot you. Don’t play dumb. This is not a random robbery.”
Sad to say, but the criminal is right. At the point that they have guns pointed at everyone's head and making demands is not the time to be attempting to resist. On the bright side, I'm sure all those firearms are properly registered and the criminals in the rapback system for identification later /sarcasm
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So the gunman just admitted there is some relationship with them and the owners. And they even knew when there will be no males home.
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husband was home, but outside. Could be inside job, insurance scam, etc. I'd imagine that it could easily just be an acquaintance, and that the family is "famous" and it's pretty well known that they have plenty jewelry. Like rappers wearing thick chains and diamond grills, but hawaii style. If you flaunt it, you'll attract attention.
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A good lesson for many people of this forum that have valuable collections. If you don't want to get a 'big dog' invest in an alarm system or at least a security camera that will send you an alert - here's a new entry in the marketplace that's getting good reviews: https://www.amazon.com/WyzeCam-Wireless-Camera-Vision-Android/dp/B076H3SRXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514920447&sr=8-1&keywords=wyze+cam
All for the price of a couple of boxes of ammo.
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husband was home, but outside. Could be inside job, insurance scam, etc. I'd imagine that it could easily just be an acquaintance, and that the family is "famous" and it's pretty well known that they have plenty jewelry. Like rappers wearing thick chains and diamond grills, but hawaii style. If you flaunt it, you'll attract attention.
i noticed in the tv interview the former miss hawaii had on a designer diamond/platinum ring on. i cant remember the brand right now (chanel?) but its very expensive, i only recognized it because my friend has the same ring and its 5 figures. i guess they didnt learn not to flash valuables.
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A good lesson for many people of this forum that have valuable collections. If you don't want to get a 'big dog' invest in an alarm system or at least a security camera that will send you an alert - here's a new entry in the marketplace that's getting good reviews: https://www.amazon.com/WyzeCam-Wireless-Camera-Vision-Android/dp/B076H3SRXG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514920447&sr=8-1&keywords=wyze+cam
All for the price of a couple of boxes of ammo.
they did have a 'security system' according to the news. they mentioned that they are looking into adding to the system whatever that means. guessing they only had window breakage sensors or didnt turn on the whole home alarm while they were home, i did read that they usually leave the backdoor unlocked.
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they did have a 'security system' according to the news. they mentioned that they are looking into adding to the system whatever that means. guessing they only had window breakage sensors or didnt turn on the whole home alarm while they were home, i did read that they usually leave the backdoor unlocked.
Even their new "security" system would almost be useless againt's 4 guys with guns. It would be more for after the fact, but if they're wearing mask, then still useless.
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they did have a 'security system' according to the news. they mentioned that they are looking into adding to the system whatever that means. guessing they only had window breakage sensors or didnt turn on the whole home alarm while they were home, i did read that they usually leave the backdoor unlocked.
My impression is they only have alarms that monitor for break-ins when they are away or asleep. Upgrades would normally be to add security company monitoring, cameras and panic buttons.
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My impression is they only have alarms that monitor for break-ins when they are away or asleep. Upgrades would normally be to add security company monitoring, cameras and panic buttons.
They're probably looking now for a handgun safety class.
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I'm sure its a typical residential install with away/stay modes.
Like others have said, basically useless against armed, masked assailants.
I've got "Smart" cameras that alert you to movement/etc, but its only use to me is for after-the-fact and not to catch someone in the act.
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Iwalani Tseu was my daughter’s Kumu hula back in the late 80’s. At that time their home was by the Rec center on Anania Drive but don’t know if they still live there. Something fishy bout the whole incident. One of the scumbags even called one of them “aunty” (maybe nothing though since everyone calls everyone else aunty or uncle). Too bad cuz back then she was a really nice lady though the years and her success might have changed her. Hawaii is turning into the mainland. So sad... :(
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Iwalani Tseu was my daughter’s Kumu hula back in the late 80’s. At that time their home was by the Rec center on Anania Drive but don’t know if they still live there. Something fishy bout the whole incident. One of the scumbags even called one of them “aunty” (maybe nothing though since everyone calls everyone else aunty or uncle). Too bad cuz back then she was a really nice lady though the years and her success might have changed her. Hawaii is turning into the mainland. So sad... :(
likely the same house
I heard from a friend that they have frequent large parties there
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Meanwhile in NC, they caught the 3 crumbs that invaded Richard Childress home. Their Sheriff credited God and the 2nd amendment.
Our LE need to recognize the same
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Iwalani Tseu was my daughter’s Kumu hula back in the late 80’s. At that time their home was by the Rec center on Anania Drive but don’t know if they still live there. Something fishy bout the whole incident. One of the scumbags even called one of them “aunty” (maybe nothing though since everyone calls everyone else aunty or uncle). Too bad cuz back then she was a really nice lady though the years and her success might have changed her. Hawaii is turning into the mainland. So sad... :(
Friend said its by Hanalani.
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Friend said its by Hanalani.
Ok now it comes back to me.... knew it was close by... I can walk there in 15 minutes...
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alarm system would be useless when the residents are already home and the burglers come in through an open screen door. Normally protects against actual break ins. And even if the alarm did go off because they detected a breakin, wont the thieves just force the homeowner to disable it? Even if the alarm auto notified HPD it was triggered, criminals would be long gone by the time the cops finished their coffee break.
They should count themselves lucky that they were "only" burglars and not rapists or killers.
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alarm system would be useless when the residents are already home and the burglers come in through an open screen door. Normally protects against actual break ins. And even if the alarm did go off because they detected a breakin, wont the thieves just force the homeowner to disable it? Even if the alarm auto notified HPD it was triggered, criminals would be long gone by the time the cops finished their coffee break.
They should count themselves lucky that they were "only" burglars and not rapists or killers.
There are all kinds of options available. You could have a panic button to call for medical help. If you have monitoring and cameras, the security service could receive the silent panic button alarm, bring up your video, and contact the police to let them know there is a home invasion in progress. They may also call the contact numbers on file, including the husband out "tinkering." He's already on scene, so that would be useful.
That assumes the thugs don't know about the cameras and disable them. Even so, the monitoring company could access saved footage and see what happened up to the point the cameras were taken out.
People with shotguns and wearing ski masks would be a sure tip-off there's something going on the police should be alerted to.
You plan for as many scenarios as you can foresee (and afford to mitigate), and hope for the best.
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IDK, having "big cousin" on the other end of the monitoring could open yourself to other types of privacy abuses.... And in a case where you dont have time to run and manually trigger the alarm, they'd have to already be monitoriing your house, and the alarm would have to be active in the first place (who leaves a motion detector on while they're home)?
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What would you do in this situation if you had your handgun on you and you were in her situation not knowing the outcome? Risk being murdered like that North shore case or fighting it out against 4 gunmen with a hostage.
That is a tough choice to make.
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IDK, having "big cousin" on the other end of the monitoring could open yourself to other types of privacy abuses.... And in a case where you dont have time to run and manually trigger the alarm, they'd have to already be monitoriing your house, and the alarm would have to be active in the first place (who leaves a motion detector on while they're home)?
Panic buttons don't require the alarm to be activated for entry point or motion detection. That's why they are called "panic".
New systems have key fob remotes to set and deactivate alarms. They can also have a panic button. Those fobs can be on your keychain in a purse or pocket, sitting next to you, or wherever you can reach them quickly.
You can also have standalone panic buttons sitting on furniture (night stand) or on walls (bathroom) wherever you feel you're most likely to need to call for help. They also offer wearable panic buttons. Same concept as the Life Alert systems ("Help! I've fallen...).
Like I said before ... there are so many options available nowadays. Saying the alarm system is useless doesn't include most new systems that are more than just monitoring doors ,windows, and motion when active.
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Would putting pit traps to protect one's backyard be too much? j/k
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/animals-smartphone-cell-mobile-mobile_phone-cell_phone-cgan3713_low.jpg)
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My in laws have a remote with a panic, disarm button
And if they go manually on the keypad if they can enter an alternate distress code instead of the disarm coffee
They also have some other option where a operator calls in and you have a verbal "safety word" and any wrong answer puts out a distress call.
Never tested response time for 911 in Hawaii though.
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Would putting pit traps to protect one's backyard be too much? j/k
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/animals-smartphone-cell-mobile-mobile_phone-cell_phone-cgan3713_low.jpg)
Yeah. Booby traps are illegal, especially if they cause injury or possibly death.
Famous case of a business owner constantly being burglarized. He installed a metal screen below his ceiling where the thieves keep coming through and electrified it. One morning, he found a dead teen in the trap. He was charged with manslaughter.
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My in laws have a remote with a panic, disarm button
And if they go manually on the keypad if they can enter an alternate distress code instead of the disarm coffee
They also have some other option where a operator calls in and you have a verbal "safety word" and any wrong answer puts out a distress call.
Never tested response time for 911 in Hawaii though.
My experience in Mililani has seen 911 responses in the 2-5 minute range. If they aren't already on another call, they come running. That was a few years ago. Things change, so I don't depend on them always being as responsive.
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I used to be in banking and was always told to push the silent alarm after the robber leaves. The bank didn't want PD showing up super fast and now there is a hostage situation. Granted now we know it was a robbery and no harm was intended, this would be a similar case. But at time of, you don't know the true intent and PD on scene fast could help.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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What would you do in this situation if you had your handgun on you and you were in her situation not knowing the outcome? Risk being murdered like that North shore case or fighting it out against 4 gunmen with a hostage.
That is a tough choice to make.
situation: 4 vs 1, they have element of surprise. you happen to have a handgun. Other (unarmed) family members.
Knowing all of that upfront (and you rarely know the entire situation until after the event occurs), I would surrender and hope they'd be satisfied with valuables. If the situation was different, and say I was alone, that may be a different story if you managed to ambush the gunmen or have time to barricade yourself and call the cops.
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I used to be in banking and was always told to push the silent alarm after the robber leaves. The bank didn't want PD showing up super fast and now there is a hostage situation. Granted now we know it was a robbery and no harm was intended, this would be a similar case. But at time of, you don't know the true intent and PD on scene fast could help.
Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Hostages are less likely to be executed if needed for negotiations. Bad guys aren't going to be that eager to trade up from robbery to murder so quickly.
Witnesses are not always that lucky.
You never know what's going to happen when adrenaline (and drugs?) is influencing the perps' actions.
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Panic buttons don't require the alarm to be activated for entry point or motion detection. That's why they are called "panic".
New systems have key fob remotes to set and deactivate alarms. They can also have a panic button. Those fobs can be on your keychain in a purse or pocket, sitting next to you, or wherever you can reach them quickly.
You can also have standalone panic buttons sitting on furniture (night stand) or on walls (bathroom) wherever you feel you're most likely to need to call for help. They also offer wearable panic buttons. Same concept as the Life Alert systems ("Help! I've fallen...).
Like I said before ... there are so many options available nowadays. Saying the alarm system is useless doesn't include most new systems that are more than just monitoring doors ,windows, and motion when active.
That's good points. I was thinking more of the monitoring aspect, and not the "lifealert" panic button aspect.
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My experience in Mililani has seen 911 responses in the 2-5 minute range. If they aren't already on another call, they come running. That was a few years ago. Things change, so I don't depend on them always being as responsive.
Yes, when seconds count, tbe police are just minutes away.
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Yes, when seconds count, tbe police are just minutes away.
dont worry, after they arrive, they will take their time and write a nice, detailed report and call you an ambulance
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dont worry, after they arrive, they will take their time and write a nice, detailed report and call you an ambulance
... after they confiscate any remaining jewelry to check for prints or DNA. :crazy:
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Another home invasion happened, wonder if it's the same guys or copycats? Maybe other criminals are copying it nowadays and it'll be more common.
Police searching for suspects in Kaneohe armed robbery
http://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/01/02/breaking-news/police-searching-for-suspects-in-kaneohe-armed-robbery/
Police were looking for three men, who were masked and armed when they reportedly robbed a 17-year-old boy early Tuesday morning at a Kaneohe home.
The suspects were armed with a dangerous weapon when they entered the home at about 1 a.m. Tuesday and took items from the home, police said.
No one was arrested.
The case is classified as a first-degree robbery.
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id hazard a guess at copycats? if they really stole $1m in jools, you'd wonder why they'd hit up a teenager for his nintendo ds.
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Could be the same Kaneohe group.
There was another armed robbery in Kaneohe, 3 guys and a black suv I think.
There was also the Kaneohe incident by the police station where they robbed the cops tenants with a shotgun and one was caught
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Sent by a friend but a really good read. Somewhat longish so get a cup of coffee.
http://looserounds.com/2017/12/21/street-robberies-and-you/
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Sent by a friend but a really good read. Somewhat longish so get a cup of coffee.
http://looserounds.com/2017/12/21/street-robberies-and-you/
Thanks for the post, I did read this before but a really long time ago. Must have been 10 years or something crazy. Back then, (and now) these are the parts of the posting that struck me the most.
No one wakes up in the morning one day and decides to become an armed robber. It is a gradual process that requires some experience and desensitizing.
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Once a man starts armed robbing he has crossed a line most won’t. Don’t forget that when you are looking these bastards in the eye. Their decision to kill you is already made. Your life means nothing to him. Only his does. His sole motivation for not killing you is he doesn’t want a murder case.
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That thing is they WILL kill someone if they keep robbing. That is why the city is willing to pay all the overtime. They don’t want the murders. Think about that when you see Junior coming. The more robberies he does the closer he is to killing someone. Maybe you.
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Sent by a friend but a really good read. Somewhat longish so get a cup of coffee.
http://looserounds.com/2017/12/21/street-robberies-and-you/
Everyone should call their local FBI office and get a copy of Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted. When it first came out it was ground breaking because it demonstrated to academics and other elites what street police knew all along. What did it show in interviews with cop killers? Nice guys finish dead. That’s right. Most of those offenders commented that the Officer they killed set himself up to be killed because of reluctance to use force early in the encounter.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka
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Everyone should call their local FBI office and get a copy of Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted. When it first came out it was ground breaking because it demonstrated to academics and other elites what street police knew all along. What did it show in interviews with cop killers? Nice guys finish dead. That’s right. Most of those offenders commented that the Officer they killed set himself up to be killed because of reluctance to use force early in the encounter.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/leoka
Unfortunately, LE have rules to follow and criminals don't. So the criminals will always have the element of surprise on their side. And more so now because LE have to worry about "excessive use of force" now that everyone has a camera and the media only plays the last 10 seconds of the videos.
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Sent by a friend but a really good read. Somewhat longish so get a cup of coffee.
http://looserounds.com/2017/12/21/street-robberies-and-you/
I used to home-practice my draw, seeing how fast I could get into a good position during a home invasion, and quick reloading/jam clearing but took a break for a while because Mrs. Barrels thinks it's kind of weird. Went to check my quickdraw safe the other day and found that the battery had died. That and this recent home invasion trend are sobering reminders that there's nothing wrong with a little healthy paranoia.
It sounds like the fundamental lesson here is echoed in a lot of places. We have to make up our minds to use deadly force and contemplate removing all doubt long before the day ever arrives.
That also includes getting over the whole emotional manipulation thing. I caught a skinny dude stealing some stuff from me and and he gave me the biggest puppy dog eyes and told me that it was a mistake with his friend, etc. I let my guard down for a little bit and next thing I know he launches a steel bottle at my head. Still got him and held him for the cops but what shocked me the most was how he played me like a fiddle and then how I saw his eyes change from puppy dog to pure hatred in a split second. Never again.
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I used to home-practice my draw, seeing how fast I could get into a good position during a home invasion, and quick reloading/jam clearing but took a break for a while because Mrs. Barrels thinks it's kind of weird. Went to check my quickdraw safe the other day and found that the battery had died. That and this recent home invasion trend are sobering reminders that there's nothing wrong with a little healthy paranoia.
It sounds like the fundamental lesson here is echoed in a lot of places. We have to make up our minds to use deadly force and contemplate removing all doubt long before the day ever arrives.
That also includes getting over the whole emotional manipulation thing. I caught a skinny dude stealing some stuff from me and and he gave me the biggest puppy dog eyes and told me that it was a mistake with his friend, etc. I let my guard down for a little bit and next thing I know he launches a steel bottle at my head. Still got him and held him for the cops but what shocked me the most was how he played me like a fiddle and then how I saw his eyes change from puppy dog to pure hatred in a split second. Never again.
Wait, so you caught someone stealing from you once, and they even tried to harm you and the Mrs. still thinks you're paranoid?
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After that I got her to start locking doors whenever she's home. Will take my victories where I can.
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I used to home-practice my draw, seeing how fast I could get into a good position during a home invasion, and quick reloading/jam clearing but took a break for a while because Mrs. Barrels thinks it's kind of weird. Went to check my quickdraw safe the other day and found that the battery had died. That and this recent home invasion trend are sobering reminders that there's nothing wrong with a little healthy paranoia.
It sounds like the fundamental lesson here is echoed in a lot of places. We have to make up our minds to use deadly force and contemplate removing all doubt long before the day ever arrives.
That also includes getting over the whole emotional manipulation thing. I caught a skinny dude stealing some stuff from me and and he gave me the biggest puppy dog eyes and told me that it was a mistake with his friend, etc. I let my guard down for a little bit and next thing I know he launches a steel bottle at my head. Still got him and held him for the cops but what shocked me the most was how he played me like a fiddle and then how I saw his eyes change from puppy dog to pure hatred in a split second. Never again.
Don't trust any battery-operated quick access safe/lock box to work in an emergency. Murphy is a sick, twisted f**k!
I had one. Battery was only good for 9-12 months (single 9 volt). I tested the opening once a month at least. Then, it started taking more than one combo entry to get it to open, even with a fresh 9V. Finally, I couldn't get it to open without the key at all. After 2 years, it was useless.
Now I have 3 of the FAS1 mechanical push-button safes. They are more like a safe than a lock box. Thick steel, and very well made. No batteries, you can get a key lock option to disable the buttons if you want to prevent anyone from getting in by guessing the code (like curious kids). Pricey, and shipping to HI isn't cheap, but when the owner runs sales, you can offset the shipping and sometimes get the interior carpeting for free.
Can't recommend this product highly enough. If you've gone through 2 electronic-lock boxes, you've almost paid for one of these.
I'm waiting on my 3rd safe to arrive (took advantage of the holiday sale -- 20% off + free carpet).
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New one
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Woman held for hours in Kaimuki kidnapping
Police opened a kidnapping investigation after a woman reported she had been kidnapped and assaulted over several hours in Kaimuki.
The woman, 28, told police three men and two women held her in an apartment and assaulted her between 9:15 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. Tuesday.
Police opened a kidnapping and assault investigation. No one has been arrested.
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I. Went to check my quickdraw safe the other day and found that the battery had died.
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I talked about this previously but I'll mention it again.
I recently met a locksmith and during our converstation he stated that he got a lot of calls requesting help for electronic safe locks. He said that the safe companies do make mechanical replacements that are direct replacement parts.
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New one
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Woman held for hours in Kaimuki kidnapping
Police opened a kidnapping investigation after a woman reported she had been kidnapped and assaulted over several hours in Kaimuki.
The woman, 28, told police three men and two women held her in an apartment and assaulted her between 9:15 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. Tuesday.
Police opened a kidnapping and assault investigation. No one has been arrested.
Place is getting crazy... our liberal laws and politicos, ineffective police, restrictive gun policies, and an ineffective castle doctrine all continue embolden these scumbags....
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I talked about this previously but I'll mention it again.
I recently met a locksmith and during our conversation he stated that he got a lot of calls requesting help for electronic safe locks. He said that the safe companies do make mechanical replacements that are direct replacement parts.
Got pissed off at the electronic ones dying and got the wife a "V-something" pure mechanical.
Doubt that the POS safes I have are ones with a mechanical alternative.