This is how you lobby. Everyone's weakness is their stomachs. HGEA.So after the lunch-lobbying "shall issue CCW" is now a shoe-in? Man, that was easy. I'll chip in for a lunch tomorrow aimed at repealing the 10 round handgun mag limit! :rofl:
So after the lunch-lobbying "shall issue CCW" is now a shoe-in? Man, that was easy. I'll chip in for a lunch tomorrow aimed at repealing the 10 round handgun mag limit! :rofl:Don't forget the staff. So its like 3 lunches for 1 vote.
Hit them NOW.
Hopefully it will not get out of committee
What was the price tag for that chandelier in the extravagantly unnecessarily cavernous chamber paid for by taxpayer dollars to make it appear as if something beyond normal human comprehension and capacity is taking place in there?
Funny how individuals are the very one's they are SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR, yet they are the ones at the bottom of the list.....
zippz, thanks for all you're doing. Spending all the time and energy you do for our cause is beyond commendable. Thank you! :worship:
This is an interesting bill HB1924 Relating to Health (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1924). It came out initially as a food nutrition labeling law and was deferred (nice way of saying it died). Then a committee brought it back and heard it and erased the entire bill and replaced it with a bill allowing pharmacists to distribute opioid overdose treatment drugs.The California legislature is notorious for these "gut and amend" bills. I'm not at all familiar with how often nor to what degree it happens here.
I didn't think this was possible, but I guess as long as it relates to the title "Relating to Health" I guess they can do it. This is a way to introduce new bills after the introduction deadline at the beginning of the session.
So theoretically they could sacrifice one of the gun bills by gutting it and turning it into a assault rifle ban bill if they wanted to. Probably the last day they could make a change like that is March 23rd, the second lateral.
This is an interesting bill HB1924 Relating to Health (https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1924). It came out initially as a food nutrition labeling law and was deferred (nice way of saying it died). Then a committee brought it back and heard it and erased the entire bill and replaced it with a bill allowing pharmacists to distribute opioid overdose treatment drugs.
I didn't think this was possible, but I guess as long as it relates to the title "Relating to Health" I guess they can do it. This is a way to introduce new bills after the introduction deadline at the beginning of the session.
So theoretically they could sacrifice one of the gun bills by gutting it and turning it into a assault rifle ban bill if they wanted to. Probably the last day they could make a change like that is March 23rd, the second lateral.
Do you know if the submit testimony via email is still good or not?
List of emails by committee for testimony submission
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/comminfolist.aspx
Would this work better for folks who find it a hassle to testify via the Capitol website?
One thing I haven't figured out yet.
Why bother to talk to Democrats?
No one is ever going to convince
them to act differently.
They are are sick, and in
our case the majority.
The only man with sight
in a land of blind men is
considered to be ill.
Do not obey their laws.
can you take that step?
This is just a rhetorical question for
us Hawaii gun owners.
I do no violate any federal,
state or local laws.
this is entirely legal here in hawaii
they can amend any bill at any time
even in conference committee, which takes place after the bill has passed the house and senate
they can add in original language that was amended out, or put in new language, or even replace the whole bill
the part that sucks about this is that conference committee occurs OUTSIDE OF ANY PUBLIC INPUT
and then the bill is voted on by the legislature, and if it wins, it goes to the governor
this rule is not abused here in hawaii as much as it is in california, as seen in punaperson's post
BUT IT CAN HAPPEN
so we need to always be vigilant and keep up the pressure on the legislature
In other news....
Attorney's Opinion - Long gun registration for those under 21yrs
The background. I'm helping a military servicemember who is 20 years old and wants to bring his rifle here from Texas and get it registered at HPD. HPD told him he can't register it and that they will hold on to it until he turns 21. According HRS 134-3 there is no age requirement to register the rifle a person already owns and the 21 yr requirement is only for permits to acquire.
Step 1 - I went to HPD to try and work out the issue and they said he cannot register it until 21. I ask for a reference. They said go look it up yourself. The rest of the conversation didn't go well and I felt like I was going to be thrown in prison.
Isn't that illegal search and seizure? Law says he can have his rifle - HPD said cannot and will take it from him
Isn't that illegal search and seizure? Law says he can have his rifle - HPD said cannot and will take it from him
Not illegal search but it would be a 4th and 5th amendment violation.
I don't want to get banned, but most you guys haven't figured out yet that by the time
your rights are recognized you will be 10-20 years older? Cops do as they please,
because they know how slow the courts are. They will take your guns illegally as they
know they will never be punished for illegal acts, and you will never get them back or
you will be very much older when you do.
You will get a rusty piece of junk as they store them poorly on purpose.
The cops really are not your friends.
They are agents of the government and they work for the government.
The government is not your friend, it is your lord and master.
I'm going to get warned for typing that, but it is truth.
I don't think thats a fair generalization of the HPD or any LE organization in the US. There are officers that respect the 2A. Unfortunately it's an organization that exists in an anti-2A environment. The root problem is the leadership we have at the City level. Allegiance to anti 2A issues keeps them aligned with the powers that be.
This is why in many counties, the Sheriffs (elected by the people) publicly support the Constitution and 2A, whereas the police chiefs in the same areas (appointed by city leadership) toe the gun control line.
So, when you read how a high percentage of police chiefs support some gun control measure, they are parroting what their political masters advocate.
Have you ever heard of "Oath keepers".?Here is the oath of office that all chiefs of police take (I have a copy of the signed oath for Hawaii county), and from the description it sounds as if all law enforcement officers would take the same oath.
A cop does not promise to uphold the constitution, which
is a document that defines your God given rights and
what the government cannot do.
a Cop promises to uphold whatever stupid law TPTB pass.
presuming ALL laws are for the peace of society.
That is how you get enslaved
as Hawaii gun owners are.
Courts are expensive and the policeman has
all the time and money in the world.
Here is the oath of office that all chiefs of police take (I have a copy of the signed oath for Hawaii county), and from the description it sounds as if all law enforcement officers would take the same oath.
All eligible public officers, before entering upon the duties of their respective offices, shall take and subscribe to the following oath or affirmation:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Hawaii, and that I will faithfully discharge my duties as _____________ to best of my ability."
As used in this section, "eligible public officers" means the governor, the lieutenant governor, the members of both houses of the legislature, the members of the board of education, the members of the national guard, State or county employees who possess police powers, district court judges, and all those whose appointment requires the consent of the senate. [Ren and am Const Con 1978 and election Nov 7, 1978; am SB 1440 (1992) and election Nov 3, 1992]
* * * * *
The "out" of course, is "to the best of my ability". They just don't have the "ability" to interpret "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" as meaning they cannot deny 100% of the law-abiding applicants CCW or open carry licenses. That's the best they can do. They suck!
I stand corrected.
I owe you a breakfast at cafe 100.
I stand corrected.Hey, it's totally understandable. Anyone who observed their actions would have to assume that they never took any kind of oath to uphold the constitutions... because they don't. I mean all of them: the cops, the chiefs, the legislators, the governor, the AG, the mayors, etc. They're all violating their oaths of office, and not a god-damned thing has ever happened to any of them for doing so. Nothing. Ever. Day after day after day... They just keep creating, passing, signing, and enforcing more infringements with absolutely no consequences at all. Except maybe getting re-elected for 20 years. :wtf:
I owe you a breakfast at cafe 100.
Today I visited the state archives which is a two story building on the grounds of Iolani Palace. The staff was very friendly. I just had to register, write down what bills I was looking for, and they went into the backroom and brought out boxes of old copies. You can use the photocopier (25c each) or I just used my cell phone to take pics. I got copies of the handgun ban, handgun tax, firearms registration, and firearms safety class bills from 1994. It was pretty quick. I wanted to get copies of some testimonies too, but decided not to since it would've taken longer cause you have to lookup the committees, dates, and go through hundreds of pages of testimony.
They have other things there like marriage certificates, immigration records, pictures, cemetery listings, and other stuff going back to the 1800 and 1900's. They basically have older stuff that the library and Capitol Legislative Reference Bureau wouldn't have.