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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: punaperson on January 23, 2018, 09:03:38 AM
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I can only face one more idiocy from the tyrants today. But just so you all know what they're coming after... I wonder if the flash suppressor ban would be invalid due to misspelling the word? "Hey, I ain't got no "suppresser", whatever the f*ck that is."
SB2265 requires re-registration of all firearms every five years, and BANS:
(9) Bump stocks, gat cranks, or any devices that can allow a person to manipulate the trigger mechanism of a firearm more rapidly than the person could without the device;
(10) Firearm trigger mechanisms that have been replaced or modified to have a lighter trigger-pull than the trigger mechanism installed in the firearm by the manufacturer;
(11) Flash suppressers or any devices that reduce the visible signature of a firearm's discharge; and
(12) Any type of firearm modification that significantly increases the amount of time that a firearm may be continuously operated before the firearm overheats."
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2018/bills/SB2265_.pdf
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=2265
SB2265
Measure Title: RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Report Title: Firearms; Registration; Renewal; Modification; Restriction
Description: Requires firearm registrations to be renewed every five years. Restricts possession, transfer, and acquisition of bump stocks, gat cranks, lighter trigger-pull mechanisms, flash suppressors, and overheat reduction modifications.
Companion:
Package: None
Current Referral: PSM, JDC
Introducer(s): GREEN, Espero, Galuteria, Shimabukuro
Sort by Date Status Text
1/19/2018 S Introduced.
1/22/2018 S Passed First Reading.
1/22/2018 S Referred to PSM, JDC.
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macsak started a thread on this while I was writing this one:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=30117.0
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macsak started a thread on this while I was writing this one:
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=30117.0
trying to merge it, but it's not working right
I am going to close mine, because yours is more accurate
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trying to merge it, but it's not working right
I am going to close mine, because yours is more accurate
i think we need to start hitting these bills hard and let the legislature know what we think
the easiest way to contact our so-called "representatives"
sens@capitol.hawaii.gov
rep@capitol.hawaii.gov
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i think we need to start hitting these bills hard and let the legislature know what we think
the easiest way to contact our so-called "representatives"
sens@capitol.hawaii.gov
rep@capitol.hawaii.gov
or (mahalo to punaperson)
senbaker@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senchang@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
sendelacruz@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senenglish@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senespero@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
sengabbard@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
sengaluteria@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
sengreen@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senharimoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senihara@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
seninouye@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senkahele@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senkeithagaran@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senkidani@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senkim@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senkouchi@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
sennishihara@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senrhoads@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senriviere@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senruderman@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senshimabukuro@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
sentaniguchi@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senthielen@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
sentokuda@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
senwakai@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repaquino@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repbelatti@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repbrower@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repcachola@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repchoy@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repcreagan@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repcullen@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repdecoite@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repevans@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repfukumoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repgates@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
rephar@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
rephashem@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repholt@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repichiyama@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
reping@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repito@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repjohanson@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repkeohokalole@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repkobayashi@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repkong@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
replearmont@Capitol.hawaii.gov
repclee@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
replopresti@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
replowen@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repluke@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repmatsumoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repmcdermott@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repmckelvey@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repmizuno@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repmorikawa@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repnakamura@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repnakashima@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repnishimoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repohno@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
reponishi@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repquinlan@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repsaiki@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repsanbuenaventura@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repsay@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repsouki@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
reptakayama@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
reptakumi@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repthielen@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
reptodd@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
reptokioka@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
reptupola@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repward@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repwoodson@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repyamane@Capitol.hawaii.gov,
repyamashita@Capitol.hawaii.gov
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Email sent to Espero and my rep. I also called Esperos office and got the "dont bother me, submit testimony if it makes it to he floor".
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Email sent to Espero and my rep. I also called Esperos office and got the "dont bother me, submit testimony if it makes it to he floor".
I bet Espero would be willing to talk and deal if we offered to accept this bill in exchange for sound suppressor legalization. /sarc
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This bill is :wtf:
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From how it's written, I would just have to swap my M&P Sport II lower to my Aero lower then it's all G. Lower sales will increase if this passes.
And muzzle breaks all G also.
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From how it's written, I would just have to swap my M&P Sport II lower to my Aero lower then it's all G. Lower sales will increase if this passes.
And muzzle breaks all G also.
there's not much that is all G about this bill...
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there's not much that is all G about this bill...
Used the wrong term. More like finding loop holes in the new law is what I meant.
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Used the wrong term. More like finding loop holes in the new law is what I meant.
respectfully, we shouldn't be looking for loopholes, we should be looking for ways to testify against this bill
for example, it's going to be tough to testify against trigger mods
you can say that it makes it smoother and more precise, and "they" are going to say it makes it more deadly
you can compare it to aftermarket car parts i guess, but "they" may say it will be faster, so that's more deadly
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We'll need to fill the room with live testimony if goes up in committee and fill the gallery if it goes to the floor on this one.
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Senator Espero,
Good morning. I hope you and your family are well. I have two points I would like to address with you during this legislative session.
I see that the legislature is having bills proposed with a lot of firearm restrictions which is fine if that is how Hawaii wants to run their state as I am just a temporary resident being a Federal Soldier. However, I am not seeing anything to fix Hawaii’s broken firearm registration system. I am required to register my car, bicycle, pet, and firearms with the State. Guess which one is the only one I cannot un-register when I leave? Firearms. I am due to retire and leave this wonderful island in May 2018 but I have no way of unregistering my firearms when I leave even though I will have signed Federal orders for me leaving here. I am going to be forced to bring a lawsuit to have them removed, as I am never coming back here again, because not every state has the same laws as Hawaii.
I am moving to Georgia. Personal sales between individuals are not tracked in anyway in that state. However, if a crime were to happen some years later and one of my previous weapons was used then I could become a suspect. This was an oversight on the legislature’s part and it needs to be fixed as Federal Service members are all subjected to this. Once I leave Hawaii will no longer have any jurisdiction over me or me firearms.
Please include a provision in one of the bills that gets voted on this term to solve this problem. Thanks
P.S. Because I am retiring I have found out that Governor Ige no longer signs retirement certificates for Service members. Does the state hold us in such low regard now for our Federal Service within the islands as to not do this anymore? Every other state does including some foreign countries.
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An edited version went to the entire list of Senators and Representatives.
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(Rhetorical question) Other than pissing off current gun owners, how is reregistering every five years gonna make society safer? I thought that's what rapback was supposed to be for or have they given up on that yet?
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Can you imagine the lines at the window?
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(Rhetorical question) Other than pissing off current gun owners, how is reregistering every five years gonna make society safer? I thought that's what rapback was supposed to be for or have they given up on that yet?
It's all part of the democratic plan to make gun ownership so "humbug" that no one will want to own guns.
For me it backfires on them. I hate standing in line for 1 hour for 1 gun. So I buy more than 1 to make my trip worth it. :rofl:
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Can you imagine the lines at the window?
I wrote about that to my rep. I told him that when there is only 2 people in line, I had to wait almost 1 hour. So imagine if there were more.
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Why is it only progressive states that are in violation of Federal law?
Illegal drugs
Immigration
and Firearms databases
18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations
(a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
(1) regulations providing that a person licensed under this chapter, when dealing with another person so licensed, shall provide such other licensed person a certified copy of this license;
(2) regulations providing for the issuance, at a reasonable cost, to a person licensed under this chapter, of certified copies of his license for use as provided under regulations issued under paragraph (1) of this subsection; and
(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection D8 or G8 of section 922.
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
(b) The Attorney General shall give not less than ninety days public notice, and shall afford interested parties opportunity for hearing, before prescribing such rules and regulations.
(c) The Attorney General shall not prescribe rules or regulations that require purchasers of black powder under the exemption provided in section 845(a)(5) of this title to complete affidavits or forms attesting to that exemption.
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(Rhetorical question) Other than pissing off current gun owners, how is reregistering every five years gonna make society safer? I thought that's what rapback was supposed to be for or have they given up on that yet?
they are saying 5 years because last year, once a year got defeated
"they" will never give up until they get what they want
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they are saying 5 years because last year, once a year got defeated
"they" will never give up until they get what they want
Imagine the lines if we had to register every year.
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>:(
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Why is it only progressive states that are in violation of Federal law?
Illegal drugs
Immigration
and Firearms databases
18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations
(a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
(1) regulations providing that a person licensed under this chapter, when dealing with another person so licensed, shall provide such other licensed person a certified copy of this license;
(2) regulations providing for the issuance, at a reasonable cost, to a person licensed under this chapter, of certified copies of his license for use as provided under regulations issued under paragraph (1) of this subsection; and
(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection D8 or G8 of section 922.
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
(b) The Attorney General shall give not less than ninety days public notice, and shall afford interested parties opportunity for hearing, before prescribing such rules and regulations.
(c) The Attorney General shall not prescribe rules or regulations that require purchasers of black powder under the exemption provided in section 845(a)(5) of this title to complete affidavits or forms attesting to that exemption.
progression towards anarchy? Progression towards lunacy?
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Maybe we should work with them on this so maybe we can have slingshots or airsoft? \sarc
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Maybe we should work with them on this so maybe we can have slingshots or airsoft? \sarc
Doesn't RAPBACK do the same thing as a re-registration? What more information can HPD find after 5 years that RAPBACK won't?
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They want to inspect your firearm just like they do your cars now.
Hawaii is a police state.
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They want to inspect your firearm just like they do your cars now.
Hawaii is a police state.
They don't do a safety check when you bring it in for initial registration. That would require more than just looking at the serial and barrel length. I can't wait until the HPD firearms section pulls out a set of gauges to check head spacing! :rofl:
They might have some idea that firearms are being modified to make them illegal, which an inspection might catch, although it's not major surgery to swap parts if that makes the gun legal for a day.
Maybe they don't like being told guns are being sold to out of state buyers, which screws up their record keeping?
People change out headlights and other illegal car parts to get it to pass inspection. Same would happen with firearms.
The whole idea just smacks of ignorance or more anti-gun-owner BS. Probably both.
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Why is it only progressive states that are in violation of Federal law?
Illegal drugs
Immigration
and Firearms databases
18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations
(a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
(1) regulations providing that a person licensed under this chapter, when dealing with another person so licensed, shall provide such other licensed person a certified copy of this license;
(2) regulations providing for the issuance, at a reasonable cost, to a person licensed under this chapter, of certified copies of his license for use as provided under regulations issued under paragraph (1) of this subsection; and
(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection D8 or G8 of section 922.
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
(b) The Attorney General shall give not less than ninety days public notice, and shall afford interested parties opportunity for hearing, before prescribing such rules and regulations.
(c) The Attorney General shall not prescribe rules or regulations that require purchasers of black powder under the exemption provided in section 845(a)(5) of this title to complete affidavits or forms attesting to that exemption.
Problem with the FOPA of 1986 is that it bans the enactment of such issues like registration of firearms/owners/transactions - systems in place beforehand are exempt. Since Hawaii's registration system predates statehood (at least for pistols), then such systems can continue.
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They don't do a safety check when you bring it in for initial registration. That would require more than just looking at the serial and barrel length. I can't wait until the HPD firearms section pulls out a set of gauges to check head spacing! :rofl:
They might have some idea that firearms are being modified to make them illegal, which an inspection might catch, although it's not major surgery to swap parts if that makes the gun legal for a day.
Maybe they don't like being told guns are being sold to out of state buyers, which screws up their record keeping?
People change out headlights and other illegal car parts to get it to pass inspection. Same would happen with firearms.
The whole idea just smacks of ignorance or more anti-gun-owner BS. Probably both.
I'd be willing to bet that what will happen is they'll try to throw us a bone and say that you can re-register online, with no physical inspection required. A part of the "negiotiation" process, and all that crap. :grrr:
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Its a way to get all firearm owners into rapback
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Why is it only progressive states that are in violation of Federal law?
Illegal drugs
Immigration
and Firearms databases
18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations
(a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
(1) regulations providing that a person licensed under this chapter, when dealing with another person so licensed, shall provide such other licensed person a certified copy of this license;
(2) regulations providing for the issuance, at a reasonable cost, to a person licensed under this chapter, of certified copies of his license for use as provided under regulations issued under paragraph (1) of this subsection; and
(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection D8 or G8 of section 922.
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.
(b) The Attorney General shall give not less than ninety days public notice, and shall afford interested parties opportunity for hearing, before prescribing such rules and regulations.
(c) The Attorney General shall not prescribe rules or regulations that require purchasers of black powder under the exemption provided in section 845(a)(5) of this title to complete affidavits or forms attesting to that exemption.
It dosnt count because the AG (of the USA) is not the one requiring registration)
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Believe me, I'm as tempted and desirous as anyone of finding some rhyme or reason other than pure evil for this proposed law, and all the others we see facing us this year, but I'm afraid I can't give any benefit of the doubt to the sponsors of this bill.
The primary sponsor is Josh Green MD, who, as you may recall, previously introduced a bill requiring a mental health check by a "state approved mental health worker" within 90 days prior to any firearm acquisition/purchase, in order to prevent anyone who might at some point in the future harm someone due to mental health issues from possessing a firearm. (In my testimony I cited several peer-reviewed studies indicating that psychiatrists and psychologists have a track record clearly indicating that they cannot predict future mental illness and crime.) Buy a firearm every three months, that'd be four mental health checks per year paid for out of your own pocket, effectively making it a HUGE tax on the purchase of firearms. And if a "mental health worker" had even the slightest question about the consequences of making a "wrong" decision in allowing a person who would in the future commit violence with a firearm, or really even no question at all, which way do you think he'd lean? NO GUNS FOR YOU!
When I pointed out to DOCTOR Green that more than TEN TIMES as many Americans die from "avoidable medical errors" by health professionals as die from firearm incidents of ALL kinds (suicide, homicide, accident) and suggested that he introduce a bill to require mental health checks by "state approved mental health workers" for all doctors, nurses, or anyone else in any position in the health care field that has ever been responsible for a patient death or injury... he didn't answer me. TEN TIMES as many deaths! NO ANSWER.
I'm forced to go with the evil/liar explanation.
I'm hoping that somehow these get defeated at the committee level.
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It dosnt count because the AG (of the USA) is not the one requiring registration)
"controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof"
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Its a way to get all firearm owners into rapback
Yuppers.
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:wtf: we gotta worry about these clowns trying to shit on us every year!
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:wtf: we gotta worry about these clowns trying to shit on us every year!
So it always has been. So it shall ever be.
But I concur :wtf:.
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if you have multiple firearms, and some you have sold, and then go to re-register and you don't have those guns that you sold
what do you think HPD will do?
every part of this bill stinks!
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if you have multiple firearms, and some you have sold, and then go to re-register and you don't have those guns that you sold
what do you think HPD will do?
every part of this bill stinks!
If you sold them in-state, the buyer is supposed to register, and you were supposed to notify HPD of the sale.
If you sold them to an out-of-state buyer, you still have to notify HPD.
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If you sold them in-state, the buyer is supposed to register, and you were supposed to notify HPD of the sale.
If you sold them to an out-of-state buyer, you still have to notify HPD.
each one I went to HPD with the buyer and it was registered.
each time I gave buyer a copy of my registration, and I was present for each transaction.
also on the firearm information sheet that I gave the seller, it has my name and contact info as the seller. and it was given to HPD at the time of the buyer's registration.
so on their registration it is documented that I am the seller
but I can see HPD pulling a fast one and doing something to screw us up in some way
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I wrote about that to my rep. I told him that when there is only 2 people in line, I had to wait almost 1 hour. So imagine if there were more.
You’re losing sight of the forest for the trees.
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If you sold them in-state, the buyer is supposed to register, and you were supposed to notify HPD of the sale.
If you sold them to an out-of-state buyer, you still have to notify HPD.
Where u getting this info from???? Notify hpd? Those knuckle heads at registration didn't know wtf 2 do when i tried to notify them that my gun had been sold and transferred to another local shop. No paper work or documents??? Sent me on my way.
Also 2nd time my gun was defected and sent back, sw said gun was not safe. And will take possession in exchange for a replacement with new #. Showed hpd the letter. And they said the gun will always be registred 2 me and shrugged me off.
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Where u getting this info from???? Notify hpd? Those knuckle heads at registration didn't know wtf 2 do when i tried to notify them that my gun had been sold and transferred to another local shop. No paper work or documents??? Sent me on my way.
Also 2nd time my gun was defected and sent back,answ said gun was not safe will take possession in exchange for a replacement with new #. Showed hpd the letter. And they said the gun will always be registred 2 me and shrugged me off.
HRS 134-2 (f) --
(f) In all cases where a pistol or revolver is acquired from another person within the State, the permit shall be signed in ink by the person to whom title to the pistol or revolver is transferred and shall be delivered to the person who is transferring title to the firearm, who shall verify that the person to whom the firearm is to be transferred is the person named in the permit and enter on the permit in the space provided the following information: name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number, as applicable. The person who is transferring title to the firearm shall sign the permit in ink and cause the permit to be delivered or sent by registered mail to the issuing authority within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm.
In all cases where receipt of a firearm is had by mail, express, freight, or otherwise from sources without the State, the person to whom the permit has been issued shall make the prescribed entries on the permit, sign the permit in ink, and cause the permit to be delivered or sent by registered mail to the issuing authority within forty-eight hours after taking possession of the firearm.
In all cases where a rifle or shotgun is acquired from another person within the State, the person who is transferring title to the rifle or shotgun shall submit, within forty-eight hours after transferring the firearm, to the authority that issued the permit to acquire, the following information, in writing: name of the person who transferred the firearm, name of the person to whom the title to the firearm was transferred; names of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; and serial number, as applicable.
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If you sold them in-state, the buyer is supposed to register, and you were supposed to notify HPD of the sale.
If you sold them to an out-of-state buyer, you still have to notify HPD.
Could you please post the reference to the (transfer to out of state transferee) "must notify" clause in HRS?
So if you take your firearms to a state that allows "private sales" and sell all your firearms, and either don't get a "receipt" or the airline loses your luggage that contains the receipt, so you don't have any "proof of sale", you're all good as long as you "notify"? Do you have to do that via a particular written state form, or just a phone call? Anyone actually done this? Thanks.
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Could you please post the reference to the (transfer to out of state transferee) "must notify" clause in HRS?
So if you take your firearms to a state that allows "private sales" and sell all your firearms, and either don't get a "receipt" or the airline loses your luggage that contains the receipt, so you don't have any "proof of sale", you're all good as long as you "notify"? Do you have to do that via a particular written state form, or just a phone call? Anyone actually done this? Thanks.
We were talking about HPD records listing you as the registered owner. When I said "have to notify HPD," I meant that in the context of "if you want your name removed as the owner," not "required by law."
:geekdanc:
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HRS 134-2 (f) --
The way it is written it seems like there talking about private individual sale.
What about selling to local ffl? Or return or destroyed by manufacture. I know many people shruged off by hpd trying to document this with them,. When a firearm is sold to an ffl, in state they register it 2 there shop. The shop can sell it off locally or out of state. I
If sold locally the previous and present buyer will share the same serial. As the gun will always be registered under your name. This whole bill is BS.
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:wtf: we gotta worry about these clowns trying to shit on us every year!
This is the Progressive agenda. Erode liberty until they have total control.
I would laugh in any one of their faces if they said they stood for liberty and freedom. This entire state is indoctrinated to act this way. Programmed people from other cultures who are used to being programmed that come here and either perpetuate it or follow along like lemmings.
Yeah it is easy for me to say since I am leaving soon but this is exactly my experience while on these islands. From the capitulation of the Hawaiian people to modern day Progressivism tactics by their Asian and Haole overlords that get voted in.
Weak people breed fascism because the government and society you get is what you vote for.
The only reason I am leaving and not staying is because of the freedom robbing state government. Had a job offer, wife has a good job, and all would be well except for the state government.
Bye Hawaii.
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We were talking about HPD records listing you as the registered owner. When I said "have to notify HPD," I meant that in the context of "if you want your name removed as the owner," not "required by law."
:geekdanc:
Remove name as owner??? Once registered gun will always be under your name.
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We were talking about HPD records listing you as the registered owner. When I said "have to notify HPD," I meant that in the context of "if you want your name removed as the owner," not "required by law."
:geekdanc:
Yeah, I was also referring to being a Hawaii listed/registered owner who disposed of a firearm out of state with no proof of sale/transfer, and wants to have the obviously no-longer-correct Hawaii registration stricken from the records. So you're saying there is no legal requirement to "notify" regarding the out of state transfer/sale, right? What I'm asking then is where is the legal text describing how to have your existing registration stricken in the context of an out of state sale/transfer, either with or without any proof of transfer.
Edited to clarify: Referring to a Hawaii resident who returns from firearm disposal trip to mainland.
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Could you please post the reference to the (transfer to out of state transferee) "must notify" clause in HRS?
So if you take your firearms to a state that allows "private sales" and sell all your firearms, and either don't get a "receipt" or the airline loses your luggage that contains the receipt, so you don't have any "proof of sale", you're all good as long as you "notify"? Do you have to do that via a particular written state form, or just a phone call? Anyone actually done this? Thanks.
According to the law, as long as it's written and contains the information listed in the statute, that's all that's needed for notification. Hawaii county PD has a form you can download for this purpose. It's easy to alter the appropriate lines for any other county.
If you are no longer a Hawaii resident, their laws don't apply to you. Showing proof you are no longer living in Hawaii would help HPD trust your guns are actually out of state. You don't have to transfer them to notify HPD if out of state. You can do it as soon as you are no longer a resident of HI.
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Like I said, this was in another thread. I'm just regurgitating what I remember reading from another board member who asked HPD when he left the state.
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According to the law, as long as it's written and contains the information listed in the statute, that's all that's needed for notification. Hawaii county PD has a form you can download for this purpose. It's easy to alter the appropriate lines for any other county.
If you are no longer a Hawaii resident, their laws don't apply to you. Showing proof you are no longer living in Hawaii would help HPD trust your guns are actually out of state. You don't have to transfer them to notify HPD if out of state. You can do it as soon as you are no longer a resident of HI.
Sound like u assuming allot things and you dont know for sure or from actual experince.
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According to the law, as long as it's written and contains the information listed in the statute, that's all that's needed for notification. Hawaii county PD has a form you can download for this purpose. It's easy to alter the appropriate lines for any other county.
If you are no longer a Hawaii resident, their laws don't apply to you. Showing proof you are no longer living in Hawaii would help HPD trust your guns are actually out of state. You don't have to transfer them to notify HPD if out of state. You can do it as soon as you are no longer a resident of HI.
That is not within the law. HPD does not recognize this. The firearms stay in their database forever.
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Sound like u assuming allot things and you dont know for sure or from actual experince.
I have already asked HPD about this. They will not terminate the registrations even after me and the firearms leave the state.
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That is not within the law. HPD does not recognize this. The firearms stay in their database forever.
And I suspect the Rapback enrollees are enrolled for life as well, independent of their actual state of residence, or death.
If you inform them, in asking to have your firearms removed from the Hawaii registration system, that you have moved residence to another state, I wonder if they ask your for your new address, or proof of residency, or in their spare time look up your new location? It wouldn't surprise me. Unfortunately. "Somehow", I've come to expect the worst when it comes to despotic tyrannical government action here in Hawaii.
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I have already asked HPD about this. They will not terminate the registrations even after me and the firearms leave the state.
I agree and received the same info from hpd. My quote was in regards to Flapp_Jackson and his advice. In particular that your name could be removed was not valid.
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And I suspect the Rapback enrollees are enrolled for life as well, independent of their actual state of residence, or death.
If you inform them, in asking to have your firearms removed from the Hawaii registration system, that you have moved residence to another state, I wonder if they ask your for your new address, or proof of residency, or in their spare time look up your new location? It wouldn't surprise me. Unfortunately. "Somehow", I've come to expect the worst when it comes to despotic tyrannical government action here in Hawaii.
I have Federal orders stating where the Federal government is moving me and my property. They refuse to remove my registrations. I am going to have to sue to try and get them disposed of.
Fucking dumb that the "law makers" make a........
1. Un-Constitutional law that a citizen shouldn't have to fight in the first place.
2. Further violate another Federal law (FOPA) with an Un-Constitutional database of gun owners.
not to bother the fact that most of the citizenry here on this island is complicit with all of it.
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"controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof"
a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
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Can't submit testimony. Is only the house bill taking testimony at this point?
Edit: never mind, looks like there are two senate versions?
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Can't submit testimony. Is only the house bill taking testimony at this point?
Edit: never mind, looks like there are two senate versions?
you can only testify on bills that have hearings scheduled
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you can only testify on bills that have hearings scheduled
Yup but that sure as f*** shouldnt stop anyone from calling the members of said committees or at least emailing them to NOT have this be heard.
senwakai@capitol.hawaii.gov
sennishihara@capitol.hawaii.gov
senrhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov <<<<< --- this guy... one might as well be sending emails to your trash bin
sentaniguchi@capitol.hawaii.gov
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senrhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov <<<<< --- this guy... one might as well be sending emails to your trash bin
I find that insulting... to trash bins.
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chrissake, we might as well all wear BOHICA t-shirts to the hearings, instead of HRA, NRA shirts. what a F'd up state of the state. "I can't remember" where it was, the protestors were ranting about "Taxation without representation".
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Though I know it was a waste of time I emailed them reviewing the obvious difficulty if enforcing such a stupid law (stripped receivers, which trigger to use? what if a manufacturer installs a trigger slightly lighter than another factory? can the police tell if one has lightened a trigger? Can they tell if it was installed at the factory?).
After an exhaustive search I can only find one manufacturer that makes a barrel radiator. The whole notion of an accessory that cools the firearm to allow more continuous shooting is something pulled straight from video games. They really think there is an overheat switch that shuts down the firearm until it is cool enough to shoot again? They are trying to ban something that literally only exists in video games.
Its good to know that every state has the same idiots in charge. I did not get a reply from anyone to my email. I must have used words that were too big. I'll send a letter written in crayon with pictures next time.
And I wonder why I even try.... I think I'll go back to prepping and wait for this country to collapse.
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Aloha e [heavies],
Mahalo for your email. I'm a supporter of Second Amendment rights and appreciate your input. I'll consider this closely if and when I have an opportunity to vote on it.
Best wishes to you and your 'ohana.
Me ke aloha pumehana,
Senator Mike Gabbard
Chair, Agriculture and Environment Committee
Hawai'i State Capitol, Room 201
Honolulu, Hawai`i 96813
Ph: 586-6830 Fax: 586-6679
P.S. Click HERE to check out my Senate webpage "Agriculture is our wisest pursuit, because it will in the end contribute most to real wealth, good morals, and happiness." Thomas Jefferson
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I got the same reply back to my personal email. Nice to see we do have some pro-gun Democrats in this state.
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I got the same reply back to my personal email. Nice to see we do have some pro-gun Democrats in this state.
And the fact that Mike presented a bill to increase pistol mags to 17rds.
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And the fact that Mike presented a bill to increase pistol mags to 17rds.
AND to end the ban/legalize the possession of stun guns AND a CCW "shall issue" bill. (Note must be made that he was formerly a member of the Republican party).
Now we just need everyone to email and call the committee chairs and ask them to schedule hearings for those bills (see separate threads here).
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Just a follow up. I emailed the entire legislature and only had one reply from Sen. Breene Harimoto.
I will have no choice but to bring suit against the state of Hawaii.
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Why is it only progressive states that are in violation of Federal law?
Illegal drugs
Immigration
and Firearms databases
18 U.S. Code § 926 - Rules and regulations
(a) The Attorney General may prescribe only such rules and regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this chapter, including—
(1) regulations providing that a person licensed under this chapter, when dealing with another person so licensed, shall provide such other licensed person a certified copy of this license;
(2) regulations providing for the issuance, at a reasonable cost, to a person licensed under this chapter, of certified copies of his license for use as provided under regulations issued under paragraph (1) of this subsection; and
(3) regulations providing for effective receipt and secure storage of firearms relinquished by or seized from persons described in subsection D8 or G8 of section 922.
No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any STATE or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or dispositions be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary’s [1] authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.[/
(b) The Attorney General shall give not less than ninety days public notice, and shall afford interested parties opportunity for hearing, before prescribing such rules and regulations.
(c) The Attorney General shall not prescribe rules or regulations that require purchasers of black powder under the exemption provided in section 845(a)(5) of this title to complete affidavits or forms attesting to that exemption.
Once agin, this only applies to the AG of the United States and the federal government. They can not require a state to make a registration/data base, but the states can do it on their own.
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Once agin, this only applies to the AG of the United States and the federal government. They can not require a state to make a registration/data base, but the states can do it on their own.
I am bringing suit to remove my property from any record in the state of Hawaii. The property is no longer here and will never return. There is zero reason why Hawaii should have any record of me or it.
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I got the same reply back to my personal email. Nice to see we do have some pro-gun Democrats in this state.
Too bad about his daughter's position on 2a and her desire for a ban on assault rifles.
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As of this evening's updates, SB 2265 STILL in committee and I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE BACK FROM PHONE CALLS MADE TO PSM OR JDC. And of course, no email response either from the heads of these committees when asked to NOT give this bill a hearing.
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As of this evening's updates, SB 2265 STILL in committee and I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE BACK FROM PHONE CALLS MADE TO PSM OR JDC. And of course, no email response either from the heads of these committees when asked to NOT give this bill a hearing.
They do not care what you think. You are a fanatic.
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As of this evening's updates, SB 2265 STILL in committee and I HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY RESPONSE BACK FROM PHONE CALLS MADE TO PSM OR JDC. And of course, no email response either from the heads of these committees when asked to NOT give this bill a hearing.
Put **response requested** in the subject line of your email.
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Put **response requested** in the subject line of your email.
Aha! So that's the secret! And here all along I thought they were just ignoring me! :rofl: It never occurred to me that when I asked them a question if wouldn't occur to them to answer it/me unless I asked them to answer me. What, are they kindergartners? "I asked you a question!" (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif)
Okay, I've sent emails to the chairs and vice chairs of PSM and JDC **response requested** in the subject line to please schedule hearings on SB2066, SB2067, and SB2068, and if they do not intend to schedule hearings why they made that decision given their oath to uphold the constitution which states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, and the fact that not one single citizen of the entire state of Hawaii may lawfully exercise their right to bear arms outside their home is clearly an infringement.
So, zippz, when should I expect the four responses?
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Put **response requested** in the subject line of your email.
I made sure of that.
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Called the Senate Clerk's Office this afternoon (02/16/2018) for clarification on the upcoming First Lateral deadline as this always confused me and it looks like SB 2265 will be DEAD for this legislative session as of tonight.
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Called the Senate Clerk's Office this afternoon (02/16/2018) for clarification on the upcoming First Lateral deadline as this always confused me and it looks like SB 2265 will be DEAD for this legislative session as of tonight.
Yep, it'll be gone this weekend.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=29982.msg269724#msg269724
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Of course also gone will be SB2066 (handgun magazine capacity limit to 17), SB2067 ("shall issue" CCW), and SB2068 (repeal stun gun ban).
I'm totally disgusted. (That's about the third time today! :crazy:)
I specifically asked Senator Gabbard to introduce all three bills, but most importantly, as the obvious "low hanging fruit", the repeal of the stun gun ban. SCOTUS already ruled, two years ago via a UNANIMOUS per curiam decision that a ban on stun guns is unconstitutional. Even New Jersey, without a lawsuit even being filed, repealed their ban based upon that decision regarding the law in Massachusetts. This shows just how much our legislators (the vast majority of them) don't take seriously (or even casually really) their oath of office to uphold the constitutions, as defined by the highest court in the land. They won't even give it a hearing in a committee! >:( :wtf:
I'm totally disgusted. Did I already mention that?
I'm going to ask for a bill next session (only 11 months from now) that would provide for some other mechanism for a bill to be granted committee hearings via some other process than now: the single person who is chairman of the committee has sole discretion whether or not to hold a hearing. One person in the whole legislature/state has the power to allow something to move forward or die. I know, I know... that's how they've always done things in Hawaii (as with no initiative, no referendum, no recall, and no term limits... the only state that has none of those "accountability" options). i'm totally disg.... oh, never mind!