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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Q on January 26, 2018, 08:40:15 AM
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She's running for Governor.
Reached out after hearing the news and informed her there are citizens who would like to discuss things with her and hear her opinion on issues of importance; she responded and is willing to try and coordinate a meeting to hear you all out.
If you are interested, i highly suggest coordinating a meeting ASAP. Figure out when and where, and try to make the location convenient for anyone to attend; especially her being she lives so far away. She's very busy to begin with, and is going to get even busier, so now might be your only chance.
Let me know so i can respond and try and try to schedule something. No guarantees.
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Awesome!
How about you throw out some dates that you are available?
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Awesome!
How about you throw out some dates that you are available?
I'm generally free any time after 5pm M-F, anytime weekends, unless preoccupied.
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I'm generally free any time after 5pm M-F, anytime weekends, unless preoccupied.
Nice!
My schedule isn’t quite as open. But if given some notice, I can usually make time. Attending to health issues of a family member has been taking up a lot of my time, but thankfully that’s getting better, so I have more free time. Like meeting some of the “old guys” here (and a couple younger ones) at the range.
Think Kapolei is a good middle ground for a meet? She’s west side, right?
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Nice!
My schedule isn’t quite as open. But if given some notice, I can usually make time. Attending to health issues of a family member has been taking up a lot of my time, but thankfully that’s getting better, so I have more free time. Like meeting some of the “old guys” here (and a couple younger ones) at the range.
Think Kapolei is a good middle ground for a meet? She’s west side, right?
I think she's from Kahuku
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To schedule a meeting, we need to make sure that a big enough group shows up. It might be good to approach groups and bring them together and not just individuals. I've done this sort of thing before and have been pretty embarrassed when folks back out or just don't show up but the candidate does. It's not enough to invite people... it's important to invite the right people (reliable ones).
Organization representatives can pass what she says along to their members, thereby multiplying the effect from the initial meeting.
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I think she's from Kahuku
Oops. My bad. I was thinking of ideas for venues in Kapolei and Waipio area. Anyways, whatever is convenient for her and the group.
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To schedule a meeting, we need to make sure that a big enough group shows up. It might be good to approach groups and bring them together and not just individuals. I've done this sort of thing before and have been pretty embarrassed when folks back out or just don't show up but the candidate does.
Organization representatives can pass what she says along to their members, thereby multiplying the effect from the initial meeting.
Precisely.
Here's a chance to POSSIBLY meet a political candidate that has a great chance of defeating ige and hanabada, so it would be kind of embarrassing to schedule something and 4 people show up.
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She's going to need numbers to win governor. 4 attendees are just not a good enough number and would be a waste of her time. Groups (even non-2a related groups) with the word-of-mouth effect would help bring this to the hundreds, or if its' the right ones, thousands.
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I think she's from Kahuku
she's from Waianae
am willing to meet with her
she's probably busier with legislative session than campaigning
would be good to get other groups involved- HRA, FB gun groups, etc
but your call, Q
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As long as you can provide sufficient time for a heads up (and no serious work/family conflict), add me to your list Q. A pre-meeting meeting might not be a bad idea to brainstorm and get some organizers together.
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As long as you can provide sufficient time for a heads up (and no serious work/family conflict), add me to your list Q. A pre-meeting meeting might not be a bad idea to brainstorm and get some organizers together.
The pre-meeting sounds good. Preferably over pupus and drinks. :thumbsup:
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I am in...I will make room in my schedule for any time.
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This is all on you guys to plan a meet and make sure people show up.
I just saw a opportunity to reach out once she announced, being that I've spoken with her in the past about other issues, specifically voter recall and term limits, which she actually introduced legislation for, even though I'm not from her district.
I don't think a pre-meeting is necessary; just make sure people that commit show up, or have the proper representation for the organizations. As is constantly said in the firearm community, we have thousands of firearm owners, yet less than 20 show up to events.
Maybe one of the organizations can dedicate a special range day to meet with her and other politicians.
When you guys decide and have a good plan and good numbers, I'll try and get in contact with her again.
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I can only speak for myself to show up. The rest of the guys... it's up to them.
I can see where you're coming from Q. If you're not taking the lead on this, I don't know who is.
Perhaps, I can start by asking the question... are there pro-2a groups that are interested in meeting with Tupola? Crickets?
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I can only speak for myself to show up. The rest of the guys... it's up to them.
I can see where you're coming from Q. If you're not taking the lead on this, I don't know who is.
Perhaps, I can start by asking the question... are there pro-2a groups that are interested in meeting with Tupola? Crickets?
Working on the question. Will fill you in when I hear back.
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I can only speak for myself to show up. The rest of the guys... it's up to them.
I can see where you're coming from Q. If you're not taking the lead on this, I don't know who is.
Perhaps, I can start by asking the question... are there pro-2a groups that are interested in meeting with Tupola? Crickets?
I don't lead.
The "leaders" should be the groups and individuals that supposedly have influence in the firearm community. If these groups can organize events and range days, i don't see why they can't get their members to meet a politician that at least acts like they care, and has demonstrated they are willing to do the right thing by the people with actions instead of words.
People keep crying for change, and she's the best bet we have, so i don't know why more people aren't jumping on this.
I saw that the view count is currently 167 for this thread, and only 4 people have responded, with 4 at least expressing interest in talking with her. And people continue to wonder why nothing changes in Hawaii :rofl:
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Was in contact with some folks with HRA. They have been tracking her and she as apparently voted pro-2a most of the time. I’m gonna try to get a consolidated list of bills and record her voting history. My contact with an HRA board member mentioned that they are planning on meeting with Tupuola when the NRA-ILA rep is gonna visit for this leg session. I’ll try to get more info on that. That sounds like one opportunity.
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I'm down to meet. Anyone tracking John Carrol also? He states he's pro 2a.
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I don't lead.
The "leaders" should be the groups and individuals that supposedly have influence in the firearm community. If these groups can organize events and range days, i don't see why they can't get their members to meet a politician that at least acts like they care, and has demonstrated they are willing to do the right thing by the people with actions instead of words.
People keep crying for change, and she's the best bet we have, so i don't know why more people aren't jumping on this.
I saw that the view count is currently 167 for this thread, and only 4 people have responded, with 4 at least expressing interest in talking with her. And people continue to wonder why nothing changes in Hawaii :rofl:
There are many people that can be leaders. Organizations, instructors, competitive shooters, military and law enforcement, and every day people. Anyone can lead and I encourage everyone to try. My tip is learn as much as you can and don't be afraid to fail. Everyone fails, it's how you deal and learn from it that matters. I'll help anyone that wants to lead a project, no experience needed.
For view count, I'm usually scanning the forums quickly but may not have time to write a response or I'll ponder on it for a while or sometimes I'll wait and see what other people respond with first.
I'M IN! (as long as I don't have to work at that time)
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Was in contact with some folks with HRA. They have been tracking her and she as apparently voted pro-2a most of the time. I’m gonna try to get a consolidated list of bills and record her voting history. My contact with an HRA board member mentioned that they are planning on meeting with Tupuola when the NRA-ILA rep is gonna visit for this leg session. I’ll try to get more info on that. That sounds like one opportunity.
Why wouldn't they organize something and invite ALL the firearm community.
There are many people that can be leaders. Organizations, instructors, competitive shooters, military and law enforcement, and every day people. Anyone can lead and I encourage everyone to try. My tip is learn as much as you can and don't be afraid to fail. Everyone fails, it's how you deal and learn from it that matters. I'll help anyone that wants to lead a project, no experience needed.
For view count, I'm usually scanning the forums quickly but may not have time to write a response or I'll ponder on it for a while or sometimes I'll wait and see what other people respond with first.
I'M IN! (as long as I don't have to work at that time)
Im not afraid to lead. I just don't want to waste my time with people not showing up.
Jl808 put together something great, and there was very little support. All the sunshine patriots that are supposedly going to defend America and our rights to the death had nothing but excuses. I wouldn't want him or anyone else to have to go through that, to include myself, so i won't don't sacrifice my time and resources unless i have large scale 100% commitment.
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Why wouldn't they organize something and invite ALL the firearm community.
I dunno. Maybe they were gonna plan something, but not yet. They do a pretty good job of getting things together for the SSF, or at least what I can see. Also, from what I can see, it’s very tough to get the various shooting groups together. So much bickering. Not making excuses, just what I see. I am involved with a bunch of different groups and enjoy them all.
Can HRA do more, better, etc? Sure. However, I see lots of “they should do this” or “why don’t they do that” from many outsiders who dont step up themselves and get involved. I’m not saying that’s you Q, but definitely a lot of that going on here. Much like society. So much of people looking to others to do something, help them, etc.
Anyway, trying to help things here and that’s what counts. Get involved now.
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Why wouldn't they organize something and invite ALL the firearm community.
I'm already working on that w nraila to talk to the community. Wasn't planning Tupola being there though.
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I'm already working on that w nraila to talk to the community. Wasn't planning Tupola being there though.
Btw who will definitely go (or make their best effort to go)to the session with nra. May be short notice.
Edit-- nevermind don't want to hijack this thread
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I would be interested in attending. I have unpredictable hours at work and am on call so I can’t give a solid commitment. I’ll be looking forward to hearing more if/when things solidify. If I can’t put my butt in a seat I can at least bust out my wallet for something that is going to positively affect Hawaii.
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I have a very hectic schedule during the weekdays. I am fed up with the politics in Hawaii and will do my best to make a meeting with a standup candidate.
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my non 2A friends are interested
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I don't lead.
The "leaders" should be the groups and individuals that supposedly have influence in the firearm community. If these groups can organize events and range days, i don't see why they can't get their members to meet a politician that at least acts like they care, and has demonstrated they are willing to do the right thing by the people with actions instead of words.
People keep crying for change, and she's the best bet we have, so i don't know why more people aren't jumping on this.
I saw that the view count is currently 167 for this thread, and only 4 people have responded, with 4 at least expressing interest in talking with her. And people continue to wonder why nothing changes in Hawaii :rofl:
This thread only been up for a day.
I'm sure planning a range day, SSF, gun shows etc takes some time.
Give it time
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As I said before, I think she has a pretty good chance of winning as a backlash against Ige’s Liberal agenda. For now, just knowing she’s pro-2a is enough for me without making it part of her gubernatorial campaign. Later when she’s in office, we can push the pro-2a legislation and remind her of the support we gave her.
Her current constituents are in Koolina and Nanakuli.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Rep_Tupola
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Why wouldn't they organize something and invite ALL the firearm community.
I believe they are meeting with her as part of the legislative agenda for now
the NRA-ILA comes every year at the end of session (usually around march gun show time)
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Q...did she give you a timeline on when she was available? I know the legislature ramps up next week.
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Q...did she give you a timeline on when she was available? I know the legislature ramps up next week.
I'm coordinating something for my community now.
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I would very much like to go, if I am not on a trip. Tupola has a very good record community wise and is very effective and listens to her constituents needs (rather than just towing the party line etc). I think she would be a better governor than anyone we have had lately based on that alone. I would like to find out more about her 2a stance, and I hope it is a friendly one. Because that would just be the icing on the cake.
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I would very much like to go, if I am not on a trip. Tupola has a very good record community wise and is very effective and listens to her constituents needs (rather than just towing the party line etc). I think she would be a better governor than anyone we have had lately based on that alone. I would like to find out more about her 2a stance, and I hope it is a friendly one. Because that would just be the icing on the cake.
I wrote her two weeks ago asking her stance of various 2A issues (shall issue CCW, handgun mag limits, etc.). Haven't heard a word back.
Also, according to her Republican primary opponent, she has voted with the Dems 90% of the time. Maybe that's what her constituents want, but why would they vote for a "Republican" if they want someone who follow the Dem party line 90% of the time? Maybe just really bad Dem candidates, or something.
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I wrote her two weeks ago asking her stance of various 2A issues (shall issue CCW, handgun mag limits, etc.). Haven't heard a word back.
Also, according to her Republican primary opponent, she has voted with the Dems 90% of the time. Maybe that's what her constituents want, but why would they vote for a "Republican" if they want someone who follow the Dem party line 90% of the time? Maybe just really bad Dem candidates, or something.
Can't win here being a pure republican. And even if a conservative ran, you can do much because the legislature will just override vetos.
If we have a 2a meeting or whatever, I'll try and figure out how to do skype sessions or at least record it for outerislanders to see.
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might be worthwhile to reach out to the hot rod (cars) guys also, they're lacking for a drag strip. when Mufi was running before, got quite a lot of interest from the car guys. and there's a pretty good amount of overlap between car guys and gun guys (and gals).
like the late Bob Petersen, started Hot Rod magazine, and Guns & Ammo magazine.
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Can't win here being a pure republican. And even if a conservative ran, you can do much because the legislature will just override vetos.
I agree. In the years I've been here, the GOP candidate seems to be the same... retired lawyer who stands for business interests, no immigration, no welfare, no taxes, no abortions... all noble causes but never stands a chance in this State. What's worse... a liberal governor or a RINO governor? Sorry, those are likely your only choices here.
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She's more likely pro 2A, and she'll most likely get my vote.
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Will be interesting to see what Tupola's election strategy will be. Hanabusa will have most of the union endorsements, name recognition and a lot of $$.
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She's the best candidate we'll get, but I think she's running too early. She's still fairly new and unknown to many. I'd rather her get 4 to 8 years more experience.
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She's the best candidate we'll get, but I think she's running too early. She's still fairly new and unknown to many. I'd rather her get 4 to 8 years more experience.
You rather have hanabusa? ::) It's good she's running so early, and smart. As we all know name recognition is a key role in Hawaii elections. Frankly I'm surprised Hawaii media isn't bashing and badmouthing her yet...
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You rather have hanabusa? ::) It's good she's running so early, and smart. As we all know name recognition is a key role in Hawaii elections. Frankly I'm surprised Hawaii media isn't bashing and badmouthing her yet...
I never said anything about Hanabusa. She may side with us on gun issues and others, but there's a lot more to being a governor such as leading 50,000 people and managing a $14 billion budget along with emergency management. Her college degree was in music and her prior work experience is sparse. Another way to put it is what large billion dollar corporation would hire her as a CEO? None. Political debates are going to be painful when it comes to prior experience and how she will lead the many different departments she'll be in charge of or how she'll handle emergencies.
I think she has a lot of potential in the future, but now is not her time. In 4 to 8 years she'll be awesome. Gain experience, successfully lead large projects, get her name out statewide, etc. You don't just run for an election and hope for the best. Another downside is we'll lose another republican seat in the legislature. I'm being realistic versus emotional.
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I never said anything about Hanabusa. She may side with us on gun issues and others, but there's a lot more to being a governor such as leading 50,000 people and managing a $14 billion budget along with emergency management. Her college degree was in music and her prior work experience is sparse. Another way to put it is what large billion dollar corporation would hire her as a CEO? None. Political debates are going to be painful when it comes to prior experience and how she will lead the many different departments she'll be in charge of or how she'll handle emergencies.
I think she has a lot of potential in the future, but now is not her time. In 4 to 8 years she'll be awesome. Gain experience, successfully lead large projects, get her name out statewide, etc. You don't just run for an election and hope for the best. Another downside is we'll lose another republican seat in the legislature. I'm being realistic versus emotional.
I appreciate your angle, but that still leaves hanabusa, who is, most likely, the unions pick...
To be frank. I think a grade schooler experience would be much more beneficial to this state, than a 'progressive' like hanabusa
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hanabusa has backing of key political figures and much union support. She is very likely to be the next governor, especially after the missile alert nail on the coffin of ige.
Between ige and hanabusa, I'd prefer ige. Ige is ineffectual, but I'd prefer that over someone who is ineffectual, corrupt, and takes actions to directly harm our state. This is just one example, but you know how there was the whole pension funding issue? Hanabusa was one of the chief architects of raiding the fund in the 2000s to fund various pet projects, and the reason why it's now underfunded by 12billion (give or take a billion). Is this who we want to lead our state??? I fail to understand why someone who was one of the architects of a 12 billion dollar mistake that will take decades to fix is still relevant in hawaii politics.
In 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 the ERS was raided for hundreds of millions of dollars. The practice stopped when Lingle took office.
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Two years later, Act 100 pension provisions became the subject of another lawsuit. Accusing the State of “skimming” from their pension fund, retired and active police officers on April 23, 2002 filed a class action lawsuit demanding return of $347M taken from the ERS. The plaintiffs would be joined by the ERS board itself in November, 2002. The ERS board was represented by Honolulu Attorney James Duffy who would later become Governor Lingle’s first Supreme Court nominee.
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…State Sen. Colleen Hanabusa (D, Waianae) said she was perplexed by the lawsuit since state lawmakers, not the ERS or federal pension officials, set the level of funding for the retirement system.
Hanabusa said the retirement fund is not in financial danger, and there is no threat of reduced benefits for retirees and state workers as a result of the 1999 law.
"We determine how much people will be paid, we determine whether people have collective bargaining rights, we determine the whole gamut," Hanabusa said.
Hanabusa told the Advertiser:
"If retirees haven't gotten their benefits because of an act of the Legislature, that would be something else ... but as far as I know, all retirement benefits have been paid. The bottom line is we can always sell assets or raise taxes to fund it (ERS) if it ever became necessary, but I don't see that happening at any time."
While Hanabusa was “determining the whole gamut” and claiming the fund and its beneficiaries were in no danger, the police officers’ attorney described the problem in terms which today appear prophetic:
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"It's not far-fetched to believe that in five, 10 or 15 years, the system will be in jeopardy," he said.
"It would be naive to believe that state of Hawaii could, year after year, raid this fund and use the assets of the fund without ultimately jeopardizing its integrity."
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Hanabusa and Cayetano’s investment in failure has paid off 20-fold. The initial $350M shortfall is now estimated at a minimum of $7 billion dollars. (In 2011, it's much higher now) How did the shortfall multiply? By selling assets, just as Hanabusa suggested in her 2002 comments to the Advertiser. Hawaii Business explains:
…the effect is a vicious circle: When current income and contributions aren’t enough to pay current benefits – a condition that began in 2006 and is projected to accelerate rapidly for the next five or six years – the only option is to sell off portfolio assets to cover the difference. In 2011, the ERS is projected to cannibalize nearly $200 million in portfolio assets; by 2020, that figure could reach $600 million a year. That’s the opposite of a “pre-paid pension fund.”
(http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/Portals/0/images/Hawaii_State_ERS_Underfunded_by_7Billion_web.jpg)
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/3802/Act-100-How-Hanabusa-and-Cayetano-launched-Hawaii-Pension-crisis.aspx
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Hanabusa is the local version of Hillary Clinton. She will sell out our state for her and/or external interests
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Tupola is a RINO.
The Republican party in Hawaii is just the Moderate wing of the Dimocratic party.
A turd in the hand is still a turd. Only now it's all over your hand.
That being said, holding my nose and choking back vomit, I'll probably end up voting for her.
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Tupola is a RINO.
The Republican party in Hawaii is just the Moderate wing of the Dimocratic party.
A turd in the hand is still a turd. Only now it's all over your hand.
That being said, holding my nose and choking back vomit, I'll probably end up voting for her.
Personally, I don’t know much about her, but from what I have learned, she’s better than alternatives. Yeah, it sucks that we have to choose from the lesser of two evils many times. But hope there’s a changing of the tide.
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Was looking at Tupolas competition which is only Carroll at the moment. He's 88 years old now. He'd be 97 years old at the end of a 2nd term!
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Was looking at Tupolas competition which is only Carroll at the moment. He's 88 years old now. He'd be 97 years old at the end of a 2nd term!
Tupola for Lt Gov?
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I'm registered as a Republican, but I don't like them.
I despise Democrats.
Politically Hawaii is a mess.
There are countries in Africa
that are run better.
I'd rather have a Guam government
here.
But I will support Tupola.
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Civil Beat (autoplay) podcast:
http://www.civilbeat.org/2018/02/pod-squad-andria-tupola-makes-her-pitch-for-gubernatorial-run/
Why Republican Andria Tupola Wants To Be Governor
The House minority leader says the state’s myriad challenges require bipartisan cooperation and dynamic leadership.
As one of the few Republicans in the Hawaii Legislature, Rep. Andria Tupola says she’s been focused on statewide issues as well as those of her Leeward Coast district since she was elected in 2014.
She joins the Pod Squad to talk with host Chad Blair about why she’s trading in her legislative seat for a long-shot campaign for governor.