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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: rklapp on March 23, 2018, 10:12:47 AM

Title: Is Gun Ownership a Right?
Post by: rklapp on March 23, 2018, 10:12:47 AM
I really like this video. It showed up as a YT ad. Historical context is key.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEqGBOt32NM
Title: Re: Is Gun Ownership a Right?
Post by: GlockNewb on March 23, 2018, 12:15:14 PM
PragerU is a great channel, a firm conservative voice in the liberal YouTube sphere.
Title: Re: Is Gun Ownership a Right?
Post by: groveler on March 23, 2018, 12:38:24 PM
Not in Hawaii,
The only rights you have here are granted by the government
that is run by the Democrat party.
Hawaii is a third-world sewer(politically) that is an American state.




Title: Re: Is Gun Ownership a Right?
Post by: hvybarrels on March 23, 2018, 12:59:36 PM
Hawaii is a third-world sewer(politically) that is an American state.

The lesson the powers that be took from the Overthrow is that people who are unarmed, unmotivated, and uncoordinated are easily exploitable.
Title: Re: Is Gun Ownership a Right?
Post by: punaperson on March 23, 2018, 01:53:38 PM
My "quibble" with Volokh is an important one, at least according to the Founders.

He frames the question at the beginning as "Does an American citizen have a constitutional right to own a gun?" Many of the founders and other commentators during or shortly after the Bill of Rights was presented and adopted made clear that the Constitution does NOT grant any rights. The Constitution prevents the government from infringing what are natural or god-given rights that exist at the birth of an individual. Many court cases, including Supreme Court cases have confirmed that the rights protected by the Constitution are NOT granted by that document. Thus even if the Second Amendment were repealed, the human right of self-defense using arms would not be effected, even if the government outlawed arms. If one chose to exercise one's natural/god-given right to keep and bear arms one might find oneself incarcerated or killed by the government, which is a version under which we currently live, especially here in Hawaii.

This article is a brief synopsis of the founders views on the natural/god-given/human individual right to keep and bear arms:

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html
Title: Re: Is Gun Ownership a Right?
Post by: London808 on March 23, 2018, 02:19:58 PM
My "quibble" with Volokh is an important one, at least according to the Founders.

He frames the question at the beginning as "Does an American citizen have a constitutional right to own a gun?" Many of the founders and other commentators during or shortly after the Bill of Rights was presented and adopted made clear that the Constitution does NOT grant any rights. The Constitution prevents the government from infringing what are natural or god-given rights that exist at the birth of an individual. Many court cases, including Supreme Court cases have confirmed that the rights protected by the Constitution are NOT granted by that document. Thus even if the Second Amendment were repealed, the human right of self-defense using arms would not be effected, even if the government outlawed arms. If one chose to exercise one's natural/god-given right to keep and bear arms one might find oneself incarcerated or killed by the government, which is a version under which we currently live, especially here in Hawaii.

This article is a brief synopsis of the founders views on the natural/god-given/human individual right to keep and bear arms:

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndpur.html

United States v. Cruikshank

The right there specified is that of "bearing arms for a lawful purpose." This is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence.