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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rhed on March 27, 2018, 10:15:06 AM
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So, with all this ban AR s**+ going on, is it a bad time to even get another one? And say for instance it becomes unfortunate that it does pass? Will it come to the point that we have to turn in our guns? Or we get to keep what we have but can’t shoot it in a range. Or at any private land for that matter?
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"no, i unfortunately lost all my ar15's in a boating accident."
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Sounds like you’re more concerned about if ARs will be banned with future legislation. Or are you concerned about buying before further restrictions are put into place?
For the former, it’s anyone’s guess what could happen.
For the latter, last I checked, could still find ARs in “somewhat reasonable” price range. Though they harder to find. I haven’t seen the crazy prices like in 2012-2013. I’ve been told that distributors have been selling out or at least super quick. We saw the same general rush before. Even mags are harder to come by, but you can find at decent prices if you look.
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If they ever come for our guns, there will be about a million ARs supposedly laying on the bottom of the ocean.
I say get it now while you can.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-remington-bk-20180327-story.html
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<<in the market for 5-10 lowers at good prices. I am going to be testing out commuting to the range via boston whaler, with firearms transported unloaded and in enclosed containers of course. I really hope the seas are calm and I am not the victim of a rogue wave.
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<<in the market for 5-10 lowers at good prices. I am going to be testing out commuting to the range via boston whaler, with firearms transported unloaded and in enclosed containers of course. I really hope the seas are calm and I am not the victim of a rogue wave.
If you're three miles offshore, you're in international waters and can uncase your firearm, you know in case of pirates. ;)
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If you're three miles offshore, you're in international waters and can uncase your firearm, you know in case of pirates. ;)
I totally forgot about pirate defense, thank you!
WTB: Cannons
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For the former, it’s anyone’s guess what could happen.
I know that d1k is looking for a serious answer but can only give the standard Trump response. "Who knows, you tell me, we'll see."
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I’m contemplating about it. Not because of all the s**+ goin on. I just want a different caliber in a AR platform as part of my hobby of shooting.. But at the same time, don’t wanna get screwed in the end..
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I to thought about this. But not buying a complete rifle due to space, money, and I don't really like having 2 of the same items.
Instead, I though of buying a few lowers so I can make my own, or for sell/trade.
So how many lowers are too much? I met a guy at Prime who bought 20 lowers pre election.
Edit: In fact, I was at HPD today and there were about 9 people in line. So i'll go back on a later date to get my permit. I had to go get a police report for a work related matter. And figured, since I'm there, might as well apply again.
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I’m contemplating about it. Not because of all the s**+ goin on. I just want a different caliber in a AR platform as part of my hobby of shooting.. But at the same time, don’t wanna get screwed in the end..
I say go for it. Go on enjoying shooting. :thumbsup:
As for investing in stripped lowers, I’ve seen many do it. I had a few at one time. I still have a stripped lower (or so) and also have complete lowers ready for an upper. You don’t really wear out an lower, so I hope that uppers remain in their current status.
I recall you couldn’t get lowers at one time in 2012-2103. That’s about when Spikes for super popular as they were seemingly the only company churning them out. Then came the polymer lowers and such. I remember folks buying up the $80-100 lowers and selling then for much more. Craziness.
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There are many speculators out there buying up as many receivers and rifles as they can afford hoping a ban happens. Then when the rush starts, they can dump them for multiple times what they paid.
That's a big "if". Most assume any ban would include a grandfathering of existing Assault Weapons (not just AR15s). That means there will be a mad rush to own one before the law kicks in.
If you're already in the market for an AR, it's going to be hit or miss to find a good deal, but they are out there. Take your time, do lots of searching online, and grab a good deal when you find it.
If you're speculating there's going to be a ban, maybe 80% lowers would be the way to go? No need to go through an FFL (saves lots of money when buying many items), and they can be stored without HPD registration. If the ban happens, you could sell a few at a profit to fund your builds. I've seen some lowers going for ~$50 each. If the ban fails to happen, you would still be able to get what you paid selling them, if you need the cash.
Buying when there is a threat of a ban will cost you more than when things are quiet. Prices started dropping when Hillary lost. Now they are going up. Wait, or buy? It all depends.
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An AR platform would not be my first choice,
but given how this state is going real nutcase,
I'd consider getting an 80% lower and all the parts
needed to build an AR. But I would not assemble it.
Then you don't have register it, so the grabbers
won't know you have a gun.
Then stock up on several
thousand rounds of ammo for it.
You can put it together in less than a day if you
suddenly needed it.
JMO
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Hm, I want the lowers not to resell, but to arm family in the future should these weapons not be available to them. I've got two little ones - by the time they are able to buy their own guns, its looking like the only guns theyll be picking up (after a permit to acquire) will be of the airsoft variety.
I suppose there are definitely price speculators out there, but im speculating on there not being an easy supply of these in the future for those that want a fantastic rifle.
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I'd consider getting an 80% lower and all the parts
needed to build an AR.
JMO
Good advice. You dont have to register it, until you start milling with intent of creating a firearm.
However, if you've ever tried to do an 80% before, you'll eventually be longing for something a bit more factory for longevity and reliability.
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Hm, I want the lowers not to resell, but to arm family in the future should these weapons not be available to them. I've got two little ones - by the time they are able to buy their own guns, its looking like the only guns theyll be picking up (after a permit to acquire) will be of the airsoft variety.
I suppose there are definitely price speculators out there, but im speculating on there not being an easy supply of these in the future for those that want a fantastic rifle.
Most bans have a clause that the rifle is non-transferable. Good thing Hawaii allows 15 days of "borrowing", or 75 days if out of state. Not sure how a ban would affect that either though. Anyone from 1994-2004 can chime in? This is why all my pistols are joint with the Mrs, but not the rifles/shotgun.
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https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-80-ar-15-lowers/
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Most bans have a clause that the rifle is non-transferable. Good thing Hawaii allows 15 days of "borrowing", or 75 days if out of state. Not sure how a ban would affect that either though. Anyone from 1994-2004 can chime in? This is why all my pistols are joint with the Mrs, but not the rifles/shotgun.
Yup, I realize that. However, I'd like to have some options rather than no options, you know what I'm saying?
However, Hawaii is fully of property crime and I dont see that going away in the future. My kids future lowers might be stolen the morning of confiscation, just like that officers.
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Hm, I want the lowers not to resell, but to arm family in the future should these weapons not be available to them. I've got two little ones - by the time they are able to buy their own guns, its looking like the only guns theyll be picking up (after a permit to acquire) will be of the airsoft variety.
I suppose there are definitely price speculators out there, but im speculating on there not being an easy supply of these in the future for those that want a fantastic rifle.
I bought some lowers when I bought handguns. Since I needed to make the trip to HPD for the handgun, might as well take care of lower. In the last threat of a ban, I did get a few more thinking of spares and some maybe for family and friends that might miss the boat. Never really thought of them for investment value, but I know a few folks who do.
I did have some ridiculous offers for a NIB Colt 6720 during the last run on ARs. Should have sold it and could have got more than 3 complete Colts since then.
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Yup, I realize that. However, I'd like to have some options rather than no options, you know what I'm saying?
However, Hawaii is fully of property crime and I dont see that going away in the future. My kids future lowers might be stolen the morning of confiscation, just like that officers.
If you buy 80% lowers, don't count on keeping them forever without being required to register them. In a ban, you have to register anything that is going to be grandfathered. If you don't, it's deemed illegal, no matter when you bought it and whether or not registration was required at that time.
The options would likely be: (1) register to grandfather it, and have no right to legally transfer it, or (2) resign yourself to having an illegal ghost gun, and take your chances.
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Ghost gun, now that sounds scary!
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Ghost gun, now that sounds scary!
This is scarier -- he pushes gun control laws in California based on his expert knowledge of guns....
https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0
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Soo, how bout a factory rifle? Hold off? I have 2 in mind then I’m done with the semi stuff. Was ready to go out and buy a few weeks back, but my wife doesn’t feel confident about purchasing now. I keep telling her the ban won’t go through, but she’s the one on the news all the time.. Telling me well what if it does? Loose money!! She even told me loose money that the people who wants the band don’t respect the amendments anymore..
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Soo, how bout a factory rifle? Hold off? I have 2 in mind then I’m done with the semi stuff. Was ready to go out and buy a few weeks back, but my wife doesn’t feel confident about purchasing now. I keep telling her the ban won’t go through, but she’s the one on the news all the time.. Telling me well what if it does? Loose money!! She even told me loose money that the people who wants the band don’t respect the amendments anymore..
Another ban would be a huge leap. For argument's sake, let's say that a ban does happen, there would be two options;
#1 would be a ban on new purchases that would not affect current owners, ie, a grandfather clause for those who already own these weapons. This would mean that those who currently hold these weapons at the time of a new law being enacted would be able to keep their weapons, but the further sales or transfers of these weapons could be regulated under a new law. This would be the most likely scenario if it could even see the light of day. So in this instance, it would be to your benefit to own now before any new law.
#2 scenario would mean an outright ban on certain weapons that would need to include the subsequent confiscation of the weapons included in the ban, and time of ownership is meaningless. This scenario would be so much of a stretch constitutionally and practically that you would have better odds winning the Powerball lottery twice in a row. In other words, for this #2 scenario, you would need a gun ban that would also include confiscation. Again so highly unlikely that you should take those odds in Vegas daily. On the downside, ultimately if this instance happens, your purchase is lost.
I will say that if someone thinks that a ban automatically means confiscation or loss of money, they are ignorant. Now if a ban does happen and you own a "pre-ban" weapon, you might stand to gain, depending on how laws are written. So when it comes to this topic, your wife is either a genius or not. You decide as you have to live with her. Sometimes happy wife no matter how much you disagree is more critical.
As for those who say buy 80% lowers and make your own after any bans are in place would be most likely breaking the law, but probably don't give a shit about that. I am not passing judgment, and while I think that is stupidity, I think you are much better off buying before any perceived ban.
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If you're not planning to buy a Daniel Defense monster, you could buy the parts and hide them in storage until you're ready to assemble.
Barrel and flash hider
handguard and nut
gas block and tube
sights
upper receiver and parts
BCG and charging handle
lower receiver or 80% lower
trigger group
stock and buffer
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I'd need a bigger safe as the wife filled the damn thing with her stuff after all those scary guns vanished.
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Soo, how bout a factory rifle? Hold off? I have 2 in mind then I’m done with the semi stuff. Was ready to go out and buy a few weeks back, but my wife doesn’t feel confident about purchasing now. I keep telling her the ban won’t go through, but she’s the one on the news all the time.. Telling me well what if it does? Loose money!! She even told me loose money that the people who wants the band don’t respect the amendments anymore..
If you got the funds and can find what you want, I say for for it! Sounds like you do since you were ready to go for it a few weeks ago. Enjoy life!
There's always a risk of losing money, including loose money. While I also don't envision gun confiscation, it's your money. Yeah, happy wife, happy life and all that. But I'd be willing to bet that you have more "loose money" invested in her material things, but that's another story.
So, what are you thinking about buying?
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I'd need a bigger safe as the wife filled the damn thing with her stuff after all those scary guns vanished.
What kind of stuff? ???
You gotta stake out your space! ;D
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If the wife is concerned about losing money, don't buy complete rifles. Buy lowers. They go for around $100 on average. So you can buy 5 and still be under the cost for a complete rifle and way under a DD, Noveske, etc...
I'm planning on picking up some once the Mrs decides what full size pistol she wants.
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never hold off on getting any firearm
I've only regret NOT getting a firearm, and then go back to the store a couple days later only to see it was sold already
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never hold off on getting any firearm
I've only regret NOT getting a firearm, and then go back to the store a couple days later only to see it was sold already
^^^True story, the wife wanted a Chiappa. It was at Young Guns for $1200, in the case for months. At the gun show, it was going for $700. She missed her opportunity. And we met the guy who bought it, he was shooting it at HFR a few weeks later.
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never hold off on getting any firearm
I've only regret NOT getting a firearm, and then go back to the store a couple days later only to see it was sold already
I'm the type that I if really want something and I hold off, I usually end up going back to get it before long. Sometimes the same day. Firearms and other stuff included.
Many regret firearms that they've sold. I've sold only one AR and I don't regret it at all. However, due to Rapback, there are more than a few handguns that I'm now holding off buying as well as a lever action .357 Mag.
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Nice.. thanks guys. :shaka:.. I better get down to th station soon for a permit to purchase. As mines expired a few months ago. Before I go do some shopping..
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Nice.. thanks guys. :shaka:.. I better get down to th station soon for a permit to purchase. As mines expired a few months ago. Before I go do some shopping..
What are you looking to get?
I've been shopping for components for an AR lately and I'm seeing a good amount of sales on AR stuff. I've been looking at barrels and upper components, but I've been getting many emails about sales for complete guns as well. So hopefully things are settling down a bit with regard to what's in stock and prices.
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Rapback gives me more pause than prices or future regulation.
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What are you looking to get?
I've been shopping for components for an AR lately and I'm seeing a good amount of sales on AR stuff. I've been looking at barrels and upper components, but I've been getting many emails about sales for complete guns as well. So hopefully things are settling down a bit with regard to what's in stock and prices.
I’m in the market for a HK762 since I already have a 556 version. Also a fn scar. If I can find who carries the scar. After that I’m done after i put the glass on the HK. If I get the scar, i was thinking just a red dot.
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I’m in the market for a HK762 since I already have a 556 version. Also a fn scar. If I can find who carries the scar. After that I’m done after i put the glass on the HK. If I get the scar, i was thinking just a red dot.
*cash register cha ching noise*
Anyway, OGC is probably your best bet for finding that SCAR.
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I’m in the market for a HK762 since I already have a 556 version. Also a fn scar. If I can find who carries the scar. After that I’m done after i put the glass on the HK. If I get the scar, i was thinking just a red dot.
We all think that, "I'll just put a red dot". And end up with an espresso machine attached.
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We all think that, "I'll just put a red dot". And end up with an espresso machine attached.
I can no longer tell WHAT I have ....
(https://i.imgur.com/ZSVNOAl.jpg)
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I’m in the market for a HK762 since I already have a 556 version. Also a fn scar. If I can find who carries the scar. After that I’m done after i put the glass on the HK. If I get the scar, i was thinking just a red dot.
:o :geekdanc:
Holy! When I was shopping for my first AR, the MR556 was one that I really wanted. I was all about HK guns at that time.
Between an HK762 and SCAR 17, dayum!
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I can no longer tell WHAT I have ....
(https://i.imgur.com/ZSVNOAl.jpg)
Umm, what?.. which is the barrel?
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:o :geekdanc:
Holy! When I was shopping for my first AR, the MR556 was one that I really wanted. I was all about HK guns at that time.
Between an HK762 and SCAR 17, dayum!
Well I mines as well do it one time already and be done. Work won’t allow me to much time to take off just to go to the station twice. So busy at work. Last time I did that, bought my the HK556 and a Tavor at the same time. Mainly cause so I could register them together. Now, for the reason these rifles I’m in the market for is to keep within the family. Pass them all down to my son and daughter later. And also Incase this the ban does go in effect.
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Well I mines as well do it one time already and be done. Work won’t allow me to much time to take off just to go to the station twice. So busy at work. Last time I did that, bought my the HK556 and a Tavor at the same time. Mainly cause so I could register them together. Now, for the reason these rifles I’m in the market for is to keep within the family. Pass them all down to my son and daughter later. And also Incase this the ban does go in effect.
Yup. Buy once, cry once. At one point, I HAD to have an LMT MRP. Knowing what I know now, I would have gone with something different, but I still have the LMT and it's one that I shoot the most. It was pretty pricey. I probably could have picked up two quality ARs for the price of what I paid for the LMT.
Tavor is one that I would love to own. In both 5.56 and 9 mm!
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*cash register cha ching noise*
Anyway, OGC is probably your best bet for finding that SCAR.
SE has 2 MR762 in stock. Supposed to go down today. Just been busy. The mrs was the one reminding me that we better get down there or else it’s gonna be gone.lol.. Though gonna definitely go in this week. But the SCAR 17S? OGC has none. They say they didn’t have one for awhile. They do have the 16s. But I don’t want another 556/223 rifle. Already have 2. Just wanted 2 different type 7.62 rifle to my collection. Anyways, guess I’ll invest in a nice glass for the MR instead. Probably the same kind of glass and mount I have on my 556 version. Or something else. Anyways thanks again guys for making it easier for my decision to go ahead and purchase. And not worry about a ban.. Mahalo :shaka:
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I to thought about this. But not buying a complete rifle due to space, money, and I don't really like having 2 of the same items.
Two is one...One is none.
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Two is one...One is none.
Three is Glee
Four is more...
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Yup. Buy once, cry once. At one point, I HAD to have an LMT MRP. Knowing what I know now, I would have gone with something different, but I still have the LMT and it's one that I shoot the most. It was pretty pricey. I probably could have picked up two quality ARs for the price of what I paid for the LMT.
Tavor is one that I would love to own. In both 5.56 and 9 mm!
I never regret what I purchase for anything. In the end, it’s all about preference. Buy what you want, enjoy what you want, it’s ones own earned money, don’t look back. But also, don’t spend beyond capacity.. We all deserve to treat ourselves sometimes. Especially when you so busy with work, with family things, kids school tuition , daughters music lessons, sons sports, kids wants, sons new car, and of course listening to the mrs at the end about her day work.. lol.. the years go by very quickly. And we getting old quickly too..lol
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Two is one...One is none.
:thumbsup:
I used to think that's what folks said to justify buying more guns, but that's something I've found to be true. I've seen many guns fail or become inoperable for sometimes the least expensive part on a gun.
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I never regret what I purchase for anything. In the end, it’s all about preference. Buy what you want, enjoy what you want, it’s ones own earned money, don’t look back. But also, don’t spend beyond capacity.. We all deserve to treat ourselves sometimes. Especially when you so busy with work, with family things, kids school tuition , daughters music lessons, sons sports, kids wants, sons new car, and of course listening to the mrs at the end about her day work.. lol.. the years go by very quickly. And we getting old quickly too..lol
I hear ya. I don't regret investing in the MRP. I also agree that you should definitely enjoy and treat yourself from time to time. It's your hard earned money. Shooting is a hobby that I definitely enjoy, so I tend to treat myself quite often. ;D
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Two is one...One is none.
AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Two is one...One is none.
The Mrs. is looking at a VP9 also.