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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: wolfwood on April 02, 2018, 02:14:05 PM
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I filed my most recent stun gun case challenge today. We are challenging Hawaii's ban on stun guns on 2a grounds. I have already been successful in challenging New Jersey, New Orleans and Annapolis's stun gun bans. I am still litigating in New York state. Big Thank to LaRue Tactical for supporting the case. The plaintiff is London808
A link to the complaint can be found here
https://www.scribd.com/document/375391896/Filed-Complaint-Roberts-Taser
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Thank you!
The stun gun ban repeal bill that Senator Gabbard kindly introduced at my request didn't even get a committee hearing (despite noting the SCOTUS unanimous per curiam re MA stun gun ban is unconstitutional), so the only way we will ever get any relief on any of these infringing laws is via lawsuits... and even then there's the Ninth Circuit to deal with.
Thanks for taking this on and attempting to force Hawaii to recognize the Constitution(s). Good Luck! :shaka:
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I filed my most recent stun gun case challenge today. We are challenging Hawaii's ban on stun guns on 2a grounds. I have already been successful in challenging New Jersey, New Orleans and Annapolis's stun gun bans. I am still litigating in New York state. Big Thank to LaRue Tactical for supporting the case. The plaintiff is London808
A link to the complaint can be found here
https://www.scribd.com/document/375391896/Filed-Complaint-Roberts-Taser
Thank you.
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Thanks london. Im still waiting for my mega bucks win in vegas to donate money toward anti 2a laws here.
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Thanks london. Im still waiting for my mega bucks win in vegas to donate money toward anti 2a laws here.
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Thank wolfwood I’m just some one who has a valid complaint. Without him this would of been near impossible
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Thank wolfwood I’m just some one who has a valid complaint. Without him this would of been near impossible
And note that Wolfwood thanked LaRue Tactical for their support in making it possible. Might want to consider sending some business their way if the occasion arises. https://www.larue.com
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I've never heard of them. I'm still kind of new. When I buy stuff, shall I say "wolfwood" sent me from Hawaii? Or another name. Feel free to PM me if needed.
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I've never heard of them. I'm still kind of new. When I buy stuff, shall I say "wolfwood" sent me from Hawaii? Or another name. Feel free to PM me if needed.
My name is Alan Beck and my co-counsel's name is Stephen Stamboulieh. You can use those names.
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I've never heard of them. I'm still kind of new. When I buy stuff, shall I say "wolfwood" sent me from Hawaii? Or another name. Feel free to PM me if needed.
Larue Tactical has awesome deals for various optics and their own brand of optic mounts as a combo.
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http://www.guns.com/2018/04/05/federal-lawsuit-filed-over-hawaii-stun-gun-taser-ban/ (http://www.guns.com/2018/04/05/federal-lawsuit-filed-over-hawaii-stun-gun-taser-ban/)
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The State filed its Answer finally
https://www.scribd.com/document/379684358/Ballard-Answer
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What does this mean in lamen ? Go away mere peasant.
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City filed its motion today.
https://www.scribd.com/document/382371194/City-and-County-Motion-to-Dismiss-Ballard
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https://www.scribd.com/document/383767802/State-Rule-16-Statement
The State filed a statement with the Court. Read the end of it. The State is largely conceding it will need to rewrite its law.
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Basically means it still needs to be passed via legs. So no guarantee. If im reading right.
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So in other words the State wants to wait until spring to create a "may issue" taser permit.
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So in other words the State wants to wait until spring to create a "may issue" taser permit.
We are not going to agree to anything that just let's the legislature on good faith write a new law.
However this concession deos make it seem like the State will agree to some sort of consent agree like we did in NJ in which the State agrees that the law is unconstitutional and needs to be rewritten.
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LOL. Tasers are illegal here? LOL. Why?! I didn't even know. Oh well, we will just keep ours and continue to carry them. BS law anyways.
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LOL. Tasers are illegal here? LOL. Why?! I didn't even know. Oh well, we will just keep ours and continue to carry them. BS law anyways.
Be careful of pepper spray. You need a permit for it on Kauai.
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Be careful of pepper spray. You need a permit for it on Kauai.
^^^This a permit to carry and purchase. But no mention of having a William Wallace sword.
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We are not going to agree to anything that just let's the legislature on good faith write a new law.
However this concession deos make it seem like the State will agree to some sort of consent agree like we did in NJ in which the State agrees that the law is unconstitutional and needs to be rewritten.
Thank you for you and everyones hard work to fight for our rights. My wife and I came by Uncle Bo's. We were the "crossfit" couple.
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Be careful of pepper spray. You need a permit for it on Kauai.
LOL! Really? Wow, we have both. Oh well. BS laws anyways.
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Hawaii news now, tonight’s 6 o’clock news
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HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) -
A recent federal appeals court ruling struck down restrictions on who is allowed to openly carry a firearm in Hawaii.
But the attorneys who helped secure that decision are also taking aim at Hawaii's law that bans civilians from owning stun guns and Tasers.
Photographer Andrew Namiki Roberts wants to carry a Taser along with his pricey gear when he goes out on shoots.
The Kapahulu resident filed a lawsuit in federal court in April after the Honolulu Police Department told him that it's illegal for anyone to possess electronic arms, including stun guns and tasers. Only law enforcement and military members assisting civil authorities are allowed to have them.
"A Taser outside of the home would provide a way to defend myself, defend my property. I'm a photographer so I'm often carrying expensive equipment, which is a high target for crime," Namiki Roberts said.
State Sen. Karl Rhoads said he understands why some people may want the devices for protection in their homes, but he doesn't think it's a good idea to allow citizens to carry them around.
"So then Tasers become widely available and then criminals carry them, too. I live in Chinatown, you walk down the street, somebody zaps you just to take your wallet. It's a lot easier than fighting with you," said Rhoads, who is vice chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
The attorney challenging the law, Alan Beck, said other states and cities are getting rid of their Taser and stun gun bans. He also argued that Namiki Roberts has a Second Amendment right to own the devices.
"We strongly feel this is simply the way the country is going. These taser and stun gun bans are no longer constitutional," said Beck.
The state Attorney General's office declined to comment on the pending litigation.
Copyright 2018 Hawaii News Now. All rights reserved.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38771482/hawaii-man-challenges-hawaii-stun-gun-ban-on-2nd-amendment-grounds (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38771482/hawaii-man-challenges-hawaii-stun-gun-ban-on-2nd-amendment-grounds)
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State Sen. Karl Rhoads said he understands why some people may want the devices for protection in their homes, but he doesn't think it's a good idea to allow citizens to carry them around.
"So then Tasers become widely available and then criminals carry them, too. I live in Chinatown, you walk down the street, somebody zaps you just to take your wallet. It's a lot easier than fighting with you," said Rhoads, who is vice chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38771482/hawaii-man-challenges-hawaii-stun-gun-ban-on-2nd-amendment-grounds (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38771482/hawaii-man-challenges-hawaii-stun-gun-ban-on-2nd-amendment-grounds)
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There's that ridiculous idea that criminals are going to abide by the law and not use them illegal or not! Vote this idiot out of office
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"Unemployment is low because people have 2 jobs"
Here hold my beer, enter Rhoads
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"So then Tasers become widely available and then criminals carry them, too. I live in Chinatown, you walk down the street, somebody zaps you just to take your wallet. It's a lot easier than fighting with you," said Rhoads, who is vice chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Can't believe he said that. How many things aren't legal where they are readily able to get by people who don't follow laws? Are some of these folks raised in bubbles? Wonder if he buys his underwear at KMart. . .
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Can't believe he said that. How many things aren't legal where they are readily able to get by people who don't follow laws? Are some of these folks raised in bubbles? Wonder if he buys his underwear at KMart. . .
K-Mart sucks! :crazy:
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When you discharge a Taser, it also sends out dozens of little ID tags so it can easily be traced. I don’t think criminals would buy a Taser when you could buy a gun for almost the same money. They were worried about criminals using pepper spray to rob people before it got legalized. Then what happened? Absolutely nothing. Same thing if Tasers or guns were allowed to be carried by law abiding citizens. Restrictive gun laws only hinder the law abiding from being able to protect themselves. Even a complete ban on firearms will not stop a criminal from getting one. Slam fire guns are easy to make.
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Yea criminals dont need traders when they can beat someone up, baseball bat, crowbar, big stick, and whatever is lying around.
I wouldnt blow off Rhoads concerns cause there will be some abuse by criminals, kids, domestic violence etc but nowhere near what they expect and the benefits far outweigh the risks.
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MSJ got filed
https://www.scribd.com/document/392799167/Roberts-Stun-Gun-Motion-for-Summary-Judgement
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Glad to see this getting a kick as well. The timing seems good too. I kinda feel like the Legislature needs to get their butts kicked extensively.
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The Boys made front page news in this mornings Star-Advertiser. :thumbsup:
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The Boys made front page news in this mornings Star-Advertiser. :thumbsup:
Can someone please post the article or a free link to it for those of us who refuse to give a penny to that anti-rights rag? :shaka:
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here is a free link
https://wsoe.org/u-k-man-challenges-hawaiis-stun-gun-ban/?fbclid=IwAR1UCzsaeqKv-NKCC1KVwkLayFh_MrrKct6Isp8Jd_LoKkS4VutVe7w686I
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here is a free link
https://wsoe.org/u-k-man-challenges-hawaiis-stun-gun-ban/?fbclid=IwAR1UCzsaeqKv-NKCC1KVwkLayFh_MrrKct6Isp8Jd_LoKkS4VutVe7w686I
Thanks for the link. Thanks for the work. Good luck! (That is, finding a court that abides by the constitution...)
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Can someone please post the article or a free link to it for those of us who refuse to give a penny to that anti-rights rag? :shaka:
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Thanks. Now we have 2 1/2 versions of the article available.
@K30l4: I will pass on the pen, but thanks for posting the pics of it.
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your pen is so short
The pen is the asian length.
Heads
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The pen is the asian length.
Heads
"fun size"
heads
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Hawaii will let tasers be legal provided 1 takes a certified Hawaii class. No classes will be certified in Hawaii. New lawsuit will have to be filed which will take more years.
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State will probably want a permit/registration and require a may issue permit to carry in public.
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State will probably want a permit/registration and require a may issue permit to carry in public.
I know, I know... I'm repeating myself...but damned if we don't see situation after situation where it seems to be the appropriate response:
"You have the right to defend yourself, when, where and how we say." Never go full retard dude.
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Today's Star-Advertiser has an anti-taser editorial as well as a poll on whether you favor legalizing Tasers for the masses or not.
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Today's Star-Advertiser has an anti-taser editorial as well as a poll on whether you favor legalizing Tasers for the masses or not.
Have to have an account to vote. I won't give them my money. But you can see what the demographic is of the readership...
http://www.staradvertiser.com/staradvertiser-poll/think-hawaiis-ban-stun-guns-tasers/
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Have to have an account to vote. I won't give them my money. But you can see what the demographic is of the readership...
http://www.staradvertiser.com/staradvertiser-poll/think-hawaiis-ban-stun-guns-tasers/
The gun rights (aka self-defense) people must be stuffing the electronic ballot box, because the antis are only coming in at 55%... which is 15-20 percentage points lower than the votes for Hirono and Gabbard.
Can someone please show us the rest of the editorial? You know, it might just coincidentally be the backdrop for a photo of a pen you're selling or something. Because the first line is a joke: "In recent years, several states have made it easier to carry or buy guns and electronic arms, such as stun guns.": Yeah, "several" means 47! But who's counting? Can't wait to see the rest of their illogic and lies on display.
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I don't subscribe to the paper but was reading it at the laundramat where I wash my clothes when I am on Oahu. I was going to take a picture, but didn't have a pen with me. LOL.
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Judge says New York's stun gun ban is unconstitutional
New York state's ban on personal ownership of stun guns is unconstitutional, a federal judge ruled Friday
in the latest in a series of court decisions that have led to the loosening of restrictions on the weapons in several
states.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/judge-says-new-yorks-stun-gun-ban-is-unconstitutional
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Just wanted to say, thank you Mr. Beck and Roberts for standing up for us.
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Ditto the thanks to attorneys Beck and Stamboulieh for their efforts to overturn these obviously stupidly unconstitutional laws in the few remaing fascist states that ban electronic self-defense devices (now down to only Hawaii and Rhode Island, where Beck and Stamboulieh have cases filed). :shaka:
In case you like reading the actual decision:
http://www.ecbalaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Avitabile.-Decision-and-Order.pdf