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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: adeljobran718 on April 02, 2018, 06:27:54 PM
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Aloha everyone took my pistol saftey class a couple years ago and finally im ready to start a collection and start going to the range here on Maui. I really like the feeling of the 1911 but people recommend its not the best first gun, wanted to see what people think i should get i want a 45cal gun in the 800 to 1000 dollar range.
Any recommendations appreciated.
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depends on your use of the pistol
can't beat the trigger of a 1911. It's not as easy to take apart as a Glock but it's not rocket science. Lots of customization and smiths that will work on one.
A Glock is stupid easy to take apart and simple. Lots of aftermarket support too.
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Good that you completed the handgun course.
What is your main reason for this handgun? Target shooting? Competition? Self defense? All? Your use or interest can help provide better feedback.
Are you set on 45 as your chosen caliber? It’s readily available, but also can be pretty pricey to feed your gun.
There are many choices for 1911s. How guns feel in your hands and how you shoot them are also important. Did you get to shoot a wide range of handguns when you took the handgun course?
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Ammo costs should be a consideration. If you shoot 150 rounds twice a month for practice, that's 3600 rounds per year. 9mm will cost you about $864. 45 is $1440.
9mm is a bit easier to practice with.
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Intent is really just shooting at the range hopefully atleast once a month. Tried shooting a few different guns in the saftey course and i was really comfertable with the 1911. Just wanted to see if there could be somilar to it that maybe would be better. I shot glocks before i liked it but felt like the 1911 was more gun, not a pro or anything but just starting and hopefully i ca meet some cool people here at the range in maui.
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I have Kimber 1911 45 acp. On target every time. But can’t go Sig, Colt, and Springfield. If you go 9mm , first gun I would buy HK VP9. That’s just me.
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I started off with a 9mm Taurus (Beretta knockoff) many years ago and loved it. Ammo is cheap and the gun was easy to field strip and maintain. Sold the Taurus and over the years I've acquired several Glock 9mm pistols.
I love 45 ACP and first got a couple Sig Sauer P220 pistols. Sold them and ended up with a Glock 30G3 which I still have today. I am considering getting a 1911 platform pistol but it's really not a priority for me at the moment.
For shits and giggles I have a S&W Model 41 target pistol and a Ruger Mark III Hunter pistol. Cheap way to practice and have fun at the range.
My favorite shooting platform after all these years of shooting are revolvers. Old school style.
You have to decide what you are going to do with the gun(s) you are going to get - target practice exclusively, SD, and how much time, effort, and expense you are going to throw in should be considered. Shooting sports can be expensive and to develop the skills you really have to put the time and money into it.
Come out to the Ukumehame Firing Range on the open days and see what people are shooting. Get to know the crowd and the range safety protocol. Go see the couple local gun shops on Maui. Great bunch of people at DT Sports and Maui Ammo and Guns Shop. But do your research before jumping in. Know basically what you want before hand.
Good luck and be safe.
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IMHO, if you like the "feel" of the 1911, maybe you should try out Springfield Armory's XD line of pistols. Personally, I have both the XDm (45acp) and 2 XD Mod 2's (9mm). When I was shooting bullseye pistol, I just loved the way the 1911 felt and so I picked up a few XD's. Maybe you should go check out the local gun stores to see if they have them and get a good feel of them. Also, there are aftermarket parts and accessories for the XD's. Again, this is just my opinion.
Intent is really just shooting at the range hopefully atleast once a month. Tried shooting a few different guns in the saftey course and i was really comfertable with the 1911. Just wanted to see if there could be somilar to it that maybe would be better. I shot glocks before i liked it but felt like the 1911 was more gun, not a pro or anything but just starting and hopefully i ca meet some cool people here at the range in maui.
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I started off with a 9mm Taurus (Beretta knockoff) many years ago and loved it. Ammo is cheap and the gun was easy to field strip and maintain. Sold the Taurus and over the years I've acquired several Glock 9mm pistols.
I love 45 ACP and first got a couple Sig Sauer P220 pistols. Sold them and ended up with a Glock 30G3 which I still have today. I am considering getting a 1911 platform pistol but it's really not a priority for me at the moment.
For shits and giggles I have a S&W Model 41 target pistol and a Ruger Mark III Hunter pistol. Cheap way to practice and have fun at the range.
My favorite shooting platform after all these years of shooting are revolvers. Old school style.
You have to decide what you are going to do with the gun(s) you are going to get - target practice exclusively, SD, and how much time, effort, and expense you are going to throw in should be considered. Shooting sports can be expensive and to develop the skills you really have to put the time and money into it.
Come out to the Ukumehame Firing Range on the open days and see what people are shooting. Get to know the crowd and the range safety protocol. Go see the couple local gun shops on Maui. Great bunch of people at DT Sports and Maui Ammo and Guns Shop. But do your research before jumping in. Know basically what you want before hand.
Good luck and be safe.
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when are open days?
I am planning to go home at the end of the month.
Have not been back for years.
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when are open days?
I am planning to go home at the end of the month.
Have not been back for years.
First Sunday, second Saturday, and third Thursday of the month. The times are from 8.30 am to 1:00 pm on open days
Check out Valley Isle Sports Shooters website for specifically dates of the month. Saturday and Sunday open days are crazy busy.
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If you've shot the 1911 .45 and that's what you want then that's what you should get, no matter what anyone tells you otherwise. I have Colts, Kimbers and Springfields but the ones I shoot most are a Kimber Target II 9mm (ammo IS cheaper), a Colt Series 70 .45, and a Colt .38 wadcutter gun (custom built, I'm the 3rd owner).
In your price range, the Colt Competition models (9 or 45, stainless or blued) seem to be pretty nice. The SA Range Officer models also give you the same choices in caliber and finishes at roughly the same price points. Kimber seems to offer hundreds of models but I'm happy with mine--a stainless Target II and a Classic Custom .45.
Does anyone on Maui stock these guns? If so, check them out and buy the one you like. All else being relatively equal, I would buy the one with the best trigger out of the box. If they won't let you try the trigger I'd take my business elsewhere, but that's just me. I would not order a pistol without first familiarizing myself with the product line in person--let's say that LGS has a blued Colt Competition .45 and I've handled it and I like everything about it but I want a stainless gun. I would be okay with ordering a stainless Colt Competition .45 sight unseen. I would not, however, order a stainless LW Commander (if they make such a thing) because that's a much different gun from what I've seen and handled at the LGS.
my 0.02
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I found a good link about gun shop etiquette that has good info:
http://concealednation.org/2013/11/gun-shop-etiquette/
I wouldn't want people to dry fire or rack the slide of my personal guns. It's just my preference.
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IMHO, if you like the "feel" of the 1911, maybe you should try out Springfield Armory's XD line of pistols. Personally, I have both the XDm (45acp) and 2 XD Mod 2's (9mm). When I was shooting bullseye pistol, I just loved the way the 1911 felt and so I picked up a few XD's. Maybe you should go check out the local gun stores to see if they have them and get a good feel of them. Also, there are aftermarket parts and accessories for the XD's. Again, this is just my opinion.
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Check out the XD's. I didn't like the XdM grip or the fact that the mags need to be blocked. But the XD's are awesome. 1911 ergos with easy takedown. And in assorted calibers. Start in 9mm is my recommendation.
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First thing - everyone needs at least one 1911. I think it's a law somewhere. :thumbsup:
Next thing - deciding to buy a 1911 isn't going to help you much in reducing your choices. I have a Sig Sauer Nightmare that I really love. I've fired my friend's Les Baer that doesn't impress me any more than the Sig. It might be the Sig's ergonomics and "upgrades" I like better. I've tried many others, too, and the Sig suits me best. You'll find Colt, S&W, Dan Wesson, Kimber, Browning, Ruger, Remington, STI, Ed Brown, Springfield and Rock Island are all in lists of "Top 1911s". This firearm design is over 100 years old. Decide if you are an absolutist seeking the original design, or if you're open to improvements and design modifications that update the original for a variety of benefits. That means comparing each model from each maker and understanding which ones sound interesting. Hopefully you'll be able to test-handle those before buying one, but sometimes you just have to go with the reviews and trust your instinct. You won't lose your shirt if you resell it, and if you got a great sale price, you might break even.
Last thing - If you're serious about practicing regularly with .45, it's a good idea to decide early on if you also want to start reloading. The sooner you start, the quicker the cost of getting started will pay for itself. If you intend to reload, then it might factor into deciding if you're going to buy a bulk 1,000 rd case right away or not.
9MM costs in the $200-$230 per 1000 rds bulk. .45 ACP costs in the $400-$450 range per 1000 rds bulk. It all depends on the brand and who's selling it. Prices fluctuate, so check the local stores for current prices.
I don't know what a .45 ACP rd reload costs per round, but I'm sure someone here can tell you. When you can get the bullets with flat-rate shipping, it saves having to buy ammo after the shipping and HAZMAT fees.
So, do some planning ahead on the ammo. Reloading takes time, but being on an outer island, the cost and experience might be worth the time spent reloading.
That's my 2.5 cents. :shaka:
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Get that 1911 ! :thumbsup:
I have several 45acp firearms bc I just like 45acp over a 9mm, just personal preference. Although 9mm is cheaper and does the job just fine
I have a Springfield range officer operator, and a Ruger SR1911 CMD. Both great shooters, but the Springfield is a little better made, IMO
I also have a xdm which is a great polymer pistol, but it's not a 1911
If you want a 1911, then that's what you should get
It's a design that's over 100 years old and is still a sought after firearm
Good luck! :shaka:
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If you can and know someone with an assortment of guns, go to the range and shoot them. I'd pick the one that fits you best as well as the one that you are best with. Learn the fundamentals and shoot,shoot shoot. Before long you start to feel out the things you like and don't like. Then buy your second pistol based off of that.
Far too many times I see new shooters get the most tacticol looking pistol out there spending $1500+ and can't shoot it worth a damn. You see them at the range all the time. Shoot a mag and mess with their adjustable sights when it was all technique that made them miss. Now they are even more messed up.
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"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician." - Jeff Cooper
Buy what you can afford to shoot and train with. 9mm ammunition of today is leaps and bounds ahead of the 9mm of the 80's and 90's. There's a reason why the FBI reversed course and went back to 9mm. If you like 45 go ahead and get it, but it's going to cost you a lot more to train with and if you're not out there practicing and training you're wrong.
I would absolutely suggest you buy the gun you want, if a 1911 is what you NEED to own go ahead and get it and you'll end up picking up more stuff later. BTW, 1911's come in 9mm ;-) and one of these days I'll get a Nighthawk Custom. Don't let your dreams be dreams baby.... don't let your dreams be dreams.
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Intent is really just shooting at the range hopefully atleast once a month. Tried shooting a few different guns in the saftey course and i was really comfertable with the 1911. Just wanted to see if there could be somilar to it that maybe would be better. I shot glocks before i liked it but felt like the 1911 was more gun, not a pro or anything but just starting and hopefully i ca meet some cool people here at the range in maui.
Think you've got a good approach. It's always more fun to shoot with friends. Get a little friendly competition going and that in itself can help drive one to improve. It did with me when I first started shooting.
If range time and building familiarity with handguns is your main goal, I say go for what gun suits your eye. Get a bunch of ammo in bulk and shoot often. Your "gun tastes" will likely evolve and you may end up going with something different. However, having ammo and shooting often is really important. At least IMO. And above all, enjoy it! Good luck!
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If you can and know someone with an assortment of guns, go to the range and shoot them. I'd pick the one that fits you best as well as the one that you are best with. Learn the fundamentals and shoot,shoot shoot. Before long you start to feel out the things you like and don't like. Then buy your second pistol based off of that.
Far too many times I see new shooters get the most tacticol looking pistol out there spending $1500+ and can't shoot it worth a damn. You see them at the range all the time. Shoot a mag and mess with their adjustable sights when it was all technique that made them miss. Now they are even more messed up.
Yup. I see that quite often. I have a buddy whose two friends LOVE tricking out their handguns, even before firing a shot. I remember one range day when Friend #1 had his new Glock 43. Taran Tactical mag extensions, some sort of extended slide thingy, red flat faced trigger, night sights, etc. I think he also changed out a bunch of springs too. Anyways, gun kept malfunctioning. Either slide wouldn't lock back after last round or slide would lock back randomly. It seemed like with his grip, he was hitting the slide catch. Not positive because I shot it fine. Nice gun actually. But yeah, could see the frustration in his eyes. He was ready to throw that thing down range.
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Thanks everyone for the great and helpful info! hopefully i will make my decision and go get a pistol in the next couple of days.
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if you cant decide between a 1911 and a polymer pistol, just get both. or even better......get a revolver!!! :shaka:
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My 1st pistol is a 9mm. The reasoning is I need to learn fundamentals, and it's cheaper to use 9mm than 45 and still have a recoil.
So if this is your 1st pistol, that's a factor. They do make 1911's in 9mm, but if I'm going to buy a 1911, it's going to be in 45. So I would buy a 9mm 1st, then once proficient, a 45 later.
Go to a gun shop and look at and feel what feels and looks cool. Then see if you know anyone with that pistol so you can test fire it, or if an indoor range has one for rental.
Always remember, it's the Indian, not the arrow.
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1) if you cant decide between a 1911 and a polymer pistol, just get both. or even better...... 2) get a revolver!!! :shaka:
1) Love that response! :thumbsup:
2) Boo, hiss. . . [kidding] ;D
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Get the 1911 along with the GSG/ATI or Advantage Arms 22lr conversion. Now its pennies a round and the same form factor. Sight picture and pistol mechanics stay the same. Go to the range and blow through 300 22lr rounds for $20 , then do 1 box of .45ACP for $15 to remind you of recoil and noise. It's $35 now for 350 rounds and about 3 hours of fun if you've done it right. To do the same in 9mm will run you $100.
http://www.advantagearms.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AASOS&Category_Code=1911 (http://www.advantagearms.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AASOS&Category_Code=1911)
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/parts-and-accessories/parts-by-gun-model/1911/22-long-rifle-conversion-kits.do (https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/parts-and-accessories/parts-by-gun-model/1911/22-long-rifle-conversion-kits.do)
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1) Love that response! :thumbsup:
2) Boo, hiss. . . [kidding] ;D
just giving some options. ;)
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Get the 1911 along with the GSG/ATI or Advantage Arms 22lr conversion. Now its pennies a round and the same form factor. Sight picture and pistol mechanics stay the same. Go to the range and blow through 300 22lr rounds for $20 , then do 1 box of .45ACP for $15 to remind you of recoil and noise. It's $35 now for 350 rounds and about 3 hours of fun if you've done it right. To do the same in 9mm will run you $100.
http://www.advantagearms.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AASOS&Category_Code=1911 (http://www.advantagearms.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AASOS&Category_Code=1911)
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/parts-and-accessories/parts-by-gun-model/1911/22-long-rifle-conversion-kits.do (https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/parts-and-accessories/parts-by-gun-model/1911/22-long-rifle-conversion-kits.do)
2nd that load out. If you can, go with the Advantage Arms kit. Got one for the G19 and now I shoot 3x as many rounds out of it as I do 9mm. Not sure on the reliability of the 1911 kits though.
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I always wonder about those who buy a $2,000 rifle, shoot 100 rounds, then try to sell it for $2,000. They didn't like how it sounds? Did they change their mind about the filigrees? I say start light and work your way up to heavy weaponry. It's easier to sell an economy firearm than a luxury model. IMHO
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Get the 1911 along with the GSG/ATI or Advantage Arms 22lr conversion. Now its pennies a round and the same form factor. Sight picture and pistol mechanics stay the same. Go to the range and blow through 300 22lr rounds for $20 , then do 1 box of .45ACP for $15 to remind you of recoil and noise. It's $35 now for 350 rounds and about 3 hours of fun if you've done it right. To do the same in 9mm will run you $100.
http://www.advantagearms.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AASOS&Category_Code=1911 (http://www.advantagearms.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=AASOS&Category_Code=1911)
https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/parts-and-accessories/parts-by-gun-model/1911/22-long-rifle-conversion-kits.do (https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/parts-and-accessories/parts-by-gun-model/1911/22-long-rifle-conversion-kits.do)
I have the Sig 1911-22. It's accuracy is pretty bad, and after adding the after-market upgrades, I could have spent the same amount in a .45 ACP 1911.
If you want to practice with a 1911-like .22LR, I'd say the Ruger Mark III or IV 22/45 is the way to go. Same grip design as a 1911, but with target pistol accuracy.
I have the 22/45 Lite. It develops "grip" muscle memory and is more fun to shoot than the 1911-22.
Now, if you're teaching a kid to operate a 1911, and you don't want to start them at .45 caliber recoil, then the 1911-22 has the advantage of being almost identical to any M1911. If you're already shooting a 1911, then that really won't add much to the experience.
For the 1911-22, you have to use High Velocity ammo to get the slide to cycle. On the 22/45, I can use standard velocity .22LR ammo with no problem.
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I always wonder about those who buy a $2,000 rifle, shoot 100 rounds, then try to sell it for $2,000. They didn't like how it sounds? Did they change their mind about the filigrees? I say start light and work your way up to heavy weaponry. It's easier to sell an economy firearm than a luxury model. IMHO
Why would anyone even buy a 2k+ rifle then want to sell it? I would think at that price point it would be a investment that you’d keep then pass it down to your kids. Put it in the collection. Later hang it on your wall years later as display or something. I remember when I bought my DE .50 in the early 90’s for only 875 bucks at sports authority.. lol. Now I can’t believe how much they cost now. Back then I was so into getting my first rifle. And I had my eyes set on a PSG1. Was gonna take a loan out for that too. But too much Fat Tuesday’s, Blue Zebra’s, and World Cafe. And too much dates! No can save! Lol.. damn, I wish I got the rifle, it would’ve been surly a collector item. Oh, there was even a Mark 23 with 2 mags and suppressor all in a case for 2gs back then.. dammit should’ve got em too. Well, anyways I do regret, but at the same time, I don’t regret all the fun I had in my 20’s goin out.. lol
To the OP, get both of em. Safe you the extra trip to the station.
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I've shot a 9mm 1911 and loved it. Seems like a good compromise of having the 1911 feel and cheap 9mm ammo.
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just giving some options. ;)
Always! And when folks ask me about opinions about whether to buy this gun or that, I always jokingly say to buy both! Well, I'm actually mostly serious. ;D
SNIP
To the OP, get both of em. Safe you the extra trip to the station.
Amen to that! :thumbsup:
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another thing to consider if getting a 1911, is which brand of 1911 to get? and which model?
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I have a RIA 9 mm 1911. I don't shoot it that much, but it's a really nice and solid gun for the price. I wouldn't mind a beater RIA 1911 45 as well. I would also LOVE to pick up a nice 1911 45. Say Ed Brown, Wilson, etc. Hell, even a "nice" SA 1911. The ammo cost is a big factor in that, even if I could afford the gun itself. I came close to buying a SA TRP or Loaded a few years ago. Those are some pretty sweet guns. My buddy has a Target Match (or something like that). Sweet shooting gun!
To me, 1911s would be for range fun and competition (if I could afford the ammo to shoot single stack). My preference is Glock for self-defense. I would also include a PPQ, P320, CZ P10C in that category as well. I have a couple of PPQs and the trigger is different enough from the Glock that I do need to be cautious when going back and forth between them. The trigger on the PPQ is actually quite nice. Not that the Glock trigger is that bad, but just different.
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another thing to consider if getting a 1911, is which brand of 1911 to get? and which model?
We should have a 1911 day as sequel to the revolver shoot.
Too bad the OP is on Maui. Would be a good chance to try out some 1911s!
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We should have a 1911 day as sequel to the revolver shoot.
Too bad the OP is on Maui. Would be a good chance to try out some 1911s!
great idea! :thumbsup:
that would be a lot of fun. we should do it!!! :shaka:
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Aloha everyone took my pistol saftey class a couple years ago and finally im ready to start a collection and start going to the range here on Maui. I really like the feeling of the 1911 but people recommend its not the best first gun, wanted to see what people think i should get i want a 45cal gun in the 800 to 1000 dollar range.
Any recommendations appreciated.
Whatever you decide to get, first thing to remember to do is to appreciate the fact that the gun coming from the factory is good to go out of the box and considering the price range you set, any modern pistol at that price range is going to be good. If its your first handgun, just remember that all the “fun” aftermarket things you can do to it is NOT practically necessary, especially for someone just getting their first firearm.
When I was new and I was looking up firearms, I researched a few things (my personal decision to do so):
-What are the things that I could replace myself on the gun without needing a gunsmith?
-What spare parts should I keep at home just in case AND how easily available are those items?
-How many magazines would I need and are they easy to get as well?
-Research what guns have the least amount of known issues.
My first gun was a pistol and it was to be for home defense so I also researched reliability in addition to all of those things I mentioned above. The thing about having spare parts isnt necessary either , BUT that's just my neurotic self always trying to keep things handy and available.
But, again whatever it is, just get to know that gun inside and out as is from the factory. Shoot it often as much as you can. Then whatever your purpose is, then spend your money on the aftermarket items as you see fit.
Oh and definitely stay AWAY from aftermarket competition triggers if you are planning on using that gun as a defensive firearm. Don't need to give the already ANTI-GUN and ANTI-SELF DEFENSE prosecutors any more "ammo" to try to criminalize you for defending yourself as it is.
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I don't own any RIA 1911's but I did shoot one once, functioned well
If Hickok45 likes it then it must be good
https://youtu.be/4149nqq3KDc
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Did you buy something?
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Just went to Mags today and ordered a springfield 1911 A1 mil spec in stainless. Cant wait to try it out in the range and get to meet a few people :shaka:
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some smiths won't work on RIA 1911s. Don't know why
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Just went to Mags today and ordered a springfield 1911 A1 mil spec in stainless. Cant wait to try it out in the range and get to meet a few people :shaka:
good choice, hope you like it. :thumbsup:
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my narrow-minded suggestion if I was in your shoes with $800-$1000 to spend: :D CZ 97BD but i am biased to CZ
pros of 1911: very popular which means accessories are plentiful, many variants and makers to choose from, many dependable models in your price range, magazines are plentiful
cons of 1911: very popular, varying reliability across different makes and models and brands, everyone has one which can be boooooring (can of worms: opened) :D, i don't like the famous 1911 safety mechanism (and this too)
pros of cz97: its pretty AF, cz97b model has same safety mechanism as 1911, cz97bd model offers decocker function which I prefer :D , it's right in your price range, world famous comfortable CZ grip, world famous CZ design and reliability, its pretty AF, a smidgeon easier to breakdown, come on man just look at this thing! :o :o :o
cons of cz97: its pretty AF, expensive magazines $45, not as popular in Hawaii as 1911s so its a rare sight, its pretty AF
CZECH it out! :D :D :D
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awww man just read above that you pulled the trigger on a 1911 :'(
but congrats on the purch..... have fun and stay safe
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Just went to Mags today and ordered a springfield 1911 A1 mil spec in stainless. Cant wait to try it out in the range and get to meet a few people :shaka:
Congratulations!
Springfield makes great 1911's
Post pics when you pick it up :shaka:
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Just went to Mags today and ordered a springfield 1911 A1 mil spec in stainless. Cant wait to try it out in the range and get to meet a few people :shaka:
Awesome! Hope you enjoy it! Looking forward to hearing how your range sessions go. And yes, please post some pics.
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Congrats on ordering the SA 1911. Buy a bunch of magazines and ammo. If you are not already, consider becoming a NRA member. Enjoy and be safe.
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First Sunday, second Saturday, and third Thursday of the month. The times are from 8.30 am to 1:00 pm on open days
Check out Valley Isle Sports Shooters website for specifically dates of the month. Saturday and Sunday open days are crazy busy.
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You wouldn't happen to know any contractor type people who could bulldoze a small range in the middle of nowhere, would you?
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Funny you mentioned that. Much of the work done at the Ukumehame Firing Range is all donated and volunteered work. Especially the range officers who does it for the love of the sport and the 2nd amendment. Right now, work is being done to raise the height of the berms. Thank God for good people keeping our range looking great.
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my narrow-minded suggestion if I was in your shoes with $800-$1000 to spend: :D CZ 97BD but i am biased to CZ
pros of 1911: very popular which means accessories are plentiful, many variants and makers to choose from, many dependable models in your price range, magazines are plentiful
cons of 1911: very popular, varying reliability across different makes and models and brands, everyone has one which can be boooooring (can of worms: opened) :D, i don't like the famous 1911 safety mechanism (and this too)
pros of cz97: its pretty AF, cz97b model has same safety mechanism as 1911, cz97bd model offers decocker function which I prefer :D , it's right in your price range, world famous comfortable CZ grip, world famous CZ design and reliability, its pretty AF, a smidgeon easier to breakdown, come on man just look at this thing! :o :o :o
cons of cz97: its pretty AF, expensive magazines $45, not as popular in Hawaii as 1911s so its a rare sight, its pretty AF
CZECH it out! :D :D :D
$45 per mag, you must not own any HK's. :crazy:
Only guys who pick up an dust their mags right away at the range.
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my narrow-minded suggestion if I was in your shoes with $800-$1000 to spend: :D CZ 97BD but i am biased to CZ
pros of 1911: very popular which means accessories are plentiful, many variants and makers to choose from, many dependable models in your price range, magazines are plentiful
cons of 1911: very popular, varying reliability across different makes and models and brands, everyone has one which can be boooooring (can of worms: opened) :D, i don't like the famous 1911 safety mechanism (and this too)
pros of cz97: its pretty AF, cz97b model has same safety mechanism as 1911, cz97bd model offers decocker function which I prefer :D , it's right in your price range, world famous comfortable CZ grip, world famous CZ design and reliability, its pretty AF, a smidgeon easier to breakdown, come on man just look at this thing! :o :o :o
cons of cz97: its pretty AF, expensive magazines $45, not as popular in Hawaii as 1911s so its a rare sight, its pretty AF
CZECH it out! :D :D :D
They are that much? The CZ mags for my CZ 75 are around $27-35, depending on where you buy and which version. Funny that many times the 10 round neutered mags are more expensive. I also have a bunch of Mecgar mags and they are quite a bit cheaper and work really well.
And I love me some CZ guns. Been wanting an P10c for a while. . .
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"Been wanting a cz P10c for a while. . ."
me too :(
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Just picked it up :wave:
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Just picked it up :wave:
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Just picked it up :wave:
Good job! Wait. Where is the ammo? I figure you would have a case of FMJ ammo pictured beside the new gun! Ha! Enjoy and be safe.
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That’s nice!
Looking forward to hearing how it shoots!
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Good job! Wait. Where is the ammo? I figure you would have a case of FMJ ammo pictured beside the new gun! Ha! Enjoy and be safe.
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I got 2 boxes of pmc fmj box of 50 rounds was 20 dollars and he told me there good for the range and a box or hornady hollow point for self defence.
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I got 2 boxes of pmc fmj box of 50 rounds was 20 dollars and he told me there good for the range and a box or hornady hollow point for self defence.
Not nearly enough. You'll need at least 250 target rounds to do a minimum break-in, and another box of the same exact Hornady to make sure those feed without issues.
Some pistols are finicky about certain hollow points when cycling. It's always a good idea to test self defense ammo. Maybe test the first box, then get another of the same if all goes well.
Enjoy the pistol. :thumbsup:
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Not nearly enough. You'll need at least 250 target rounds to do a minimum break-in, and another box of the same exact Hornady to make sure those feed without issues.
Some pistols are finicky about certain hollow points when cycling. It's always a good idea to test self defense ammo. Maybe test the first box, then get another of the same if all goes well.
Enjoy the pistol. :thumbsup:
Will do thank you for the info :shaka:
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Check out the Walther PPQ 45. Good guns, similar to a clock with better ergonomics
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Check out the Walther PPQ 45. Good guns, similar to a clock with better ergonomics
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First Sunday, second Saturday, and third Thursday of the month. The times are from 8.30 am to 1:00 pm on open days
Check out Valley Isle Sports Shooters website for specifically dates of the month. Saturday and Sunday open days are crazy busy.
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I see an ipsc match scheduled for next Sunday. Maybe I'll come visit the range.
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First thing - everyone needs at least one 1911. I think it's a law somewhere. :thumbsup:
Yes it is law. :shaka: My first handgun was a 1911 and very happy with that decision. I'm not a huge fan of striker fired pistols but I do own them as well.
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Just picked it up :wave:
Nice choice! An SA would be in my future if not for Rapback,
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Congrats on your first love.
Just my 2 cents here.
I see a lot of chatter about buy 1,000's of rounds, expensive ammo, shoot, shoot, shoot.... but you can become more proficient without spending the money or travel time. :o
DRY-FIRE ! :thumbsup:
Any instructor worth their salt will tell you to Dry-fire more than you live fire.
Get your self some snap caps and practice, practice, practice in the comfort of your own home.
Builds muscle memory, you can practice charging, firing, reloads, tactical reloads, malfunctions whenever you feel like it as often as possible.
(Do not have live ammo in the same room you practice in !)
Also investing in the .22 conversion is REALLY smart idea. :geekdanc:
Get the model of similar weight to your .45 action
The Kimber is noted for FTF on Springfields, Advantage Arms (under $300) gets good reviews and I know personally that their service is EXCELLANT, but the Marvel Precision Unit 1 (steel starts at $700 :o) seems to get the best reviews for Springfield 1911's
Shoot more for less and still build the muscle memory, then blow off a box of .45.
It will pay for itself almost immediately, at least both of my Advantage Arms did ).
Happy Shooting.
K.I.P.I.A.S.D. !
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I see an ipsc match scheduled for next Sunday. Maybe I'll come visit the range.
Feeling better old man ? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :wave:
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Feeling better old man ? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :wave:
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hey, my brain always feels fine...
it's the body that says different
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But I am really headed out home to Maui tomorrow. I'll be there for a week to look into our family properties.
I'm looking for a roofing and electrical contractor.
Also somebody with a bulldozer so I can build a range...maybe
There must be somebody in VISSC that works construction.
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Nothing wrong with two .45s!
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My two cents,
My favorite conceal carry is a PPK clone in
.22. I do not miss with that gun. with a 22
you do not shoot center mass, you do head shots.
My next favorite is a Astra (Sig clone) de-cocker in 9mm.
You won't miss with that either.
My open carry choice would be a 1911A
with a trigger job.
I really liked my GP100 357, but I hate speed
loaders. so I gave the gun to my cousin
in Idaho.
I'm not a pray and spray sort of guy.
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Just picked it up :wave:
So...... What's your next gun? You should have more than one.
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I think everyone got your joke except the one you were ragging on.
I'm not shocked! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I think everyone got your joke except the one you were ragging on.
I'm not shocked! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Oh, I got it. Maybe if you had read ahead you would have seen my reply genius.
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So...... What's your next gun? You should have more than one.
really not sure but for sure a long gun and hopefully around December January ill have some extra money saved for something.
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Got to try out my 1911 yesterday and it was nice really smooth. only problem was it was shooting to the left had some buddies also try and they were also experiencing the same thing so I'm taking it to the gun shop to have it adjusted.
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First thing - everyone needs at least one 1911. I think it's a law somewhere. :thumbsup:
Totally...
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Got to try out my 1911 yesterday and it was nice really smooth. only problem was it was shooting to the left had some buddies also try and they were also experiencing the same thing so I'm taking it to the gun shop to have it adjusted.
I highly suggest borrowing a rear sight pusher or even invest into a sight tool. They come in handy.
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Got to try out my 1911 yesterday and it was nice really smooth. only problem was it was shooting to the left had some buddies also try and they were also experiencing the same thing so I'm taking it to the gun shop to have it adjusted.
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No malfunctions? How far off was it?
Last week my brother and I went to visit Ukumehame for the first time.
Nice facility. I posted some pix last week....
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=15582.760
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No malfunctions? How far off was it?
Last week my brother and I went to visit Ukumehame for the first time.
Nice facility. I posted some pix last week....
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=15582.760
Shot 100 rounds of pmc and 50 rounds of blazer with no malfunctions at all! And its about an inch and a half to the left.
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My first gun was a 1911. Do I carry it? No. For daily carrying, I use an HK VP9 or S&W M&P Shield, but nothing comes close to the feel and quality of a good 1911 pistol's trigger pull. Fun to shoot too! Buy it. You won't regret it.
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Resurrecting this thread now.
My friend is looking to purchase a 1911...45acp
I'm looking for opinions from people who OWN or HAVE EXPERIENCE with the following pistols:
Springfield range officer
Smith and Wesson E series
Ruger sr1911
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I have the SR1911 CMD, and RO Operator, and RO Elite Target. all 45acp, as a 1911 should be ;)
while I am a big Ruger fan, the Springfield 1911's that I own are better made than the SR1911,IMO. tolerances are just tighter, although ive never had a problem with the SR1911.
overall, I prefer the RO Operator bc it runs flawlessly, not 1 hangup yet and hundreds of rounds through it. the Elite Target did have trouble going into full battery at first bc tolerances were so tight, but I replaced the recoil spring with a 18# one and now it fires just fine, maybe just needed some break in time, i'm not sure. the Elite target is one of my most accurate handguns. trigger is good, sights are good, it just shoots great.
out of the 3 1911's I have, I would recommend the RO Operator or the Elite series. the SR1911 is good too, but I would just spend an extra couple hundred dollars and get the Springfield.
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+1 SA Range Officer
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My first impression was the RO elite target seemed like a good bet.
It would be his first-ever gun and I'll be mentoring him.
I want his experience to be as trouble free as possible.
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I have the Springfield Range Officer Elite Target in 9mm with some factory tweaks, bought it at a competition last year. Shoots and functions good. I can't compare it to other 1911's cause it was my first one.
Had the trigger adjusted to 4# to shoot CMP matches.
These are the mods I got on mine for PPC and CMP:
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I’ve shot the SA RO and as mentioned above, it’s :thumbsup:
If I were in the market for a 1911, I’d be looking at SA first. Actually have been eyeballing a WC, but doesn’t seem realistic in the near future.
I’ve also shot the Ruger 1911. To me it was ok. Just ok. But I’m also comparing against more expensive guns.
As an aside, I’ve also been debating getting a beater 1911. Maybe a RIA 1911.