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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: z06psi on May 16, 2018, 04:19:15 PM
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I have been here 7 years now but leaving tonight for good never to come back. I have never been around more subservient people within the United States in all my life. People are like drones here.
They just do whatever the state government demands of them not understanding what the term free men/women is.
I was probably more disgusted by the citizens that sit there like drones than the law makers that impose such restrictions.
Hawaii = Nice place to visit but never longer than 30 days.
Here is my exchange with HPD today.
Walked into HPD firearms division and stated I wanted to unregister my firearms. I had my shipping paperwork, Federal orders, and plane tickets leaving tonight.
I was told by one of the four officers behind the desk that this is not possible.
I asked why? It was stated that all firearms that ever resided in the state of Hawaii remain registered.
I asked why? Another officer stated so they could share the information with the Federal authorities.
I then stated that was illegal under the GOPA where a state maintained list was shared at the Federal level.
No response.
I then asked why I could un-register my car, pet, and bicycle but not my firearms.
It was stated that Hawaii doesn't care once the firearms leave the state.
I said apparently they do because they are keeping a record of my property that Hawaii has no jursidiction over.
They told me to follow the laws of the state I was going to.
I said Georgia.
Then I stated that private to private sales in Georgia are not documented in anyway and that Georgia does not register firearms.
The female officer told me to get a bill of sale. (obviously ignorant that there is no requirement and that most private owners do not consent to a bill of sale.)
What if I sell my firearms? Can I unregister them then?
No. If I want to sell a firearm to someone in the mainland and the transaction did not happen in the state then the firearm remains registered to me even though I no longer own it.
Observations and points of interest.
The officers were really indoctrinated into Hawaii's way of thinking. All of them could not understand why I wanted to un-register.
Sharing of information with the Federal authorities seems to be prevalent.
Good luck to all as I will never return to this state for one single thing the rest of my life. There are too many places to live other than a state that wants to totally control its citizens. Of course when government does this they are no longer citizens but subjects.
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In a nutshell I have to sue the state of Hawaii to be released from a state I no longer reside in. How fascist of them.
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Thanks for your service z06psi. Sorry to see you go but have a good move and all the best to you in your new home!
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That's all the responses I was expecting. I'm sorry to hear about it.
Do you plan on escalating the situation?
I wonder, what if you do decide to sell and the new owner then wants to sell also? Can the new owner sell, because according to Hawaii, you still are the registered owner on paper since they didn't un-register the guns.
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I'd be more worried about liability. Since Hawaii wont let you un-register the guns, if you move them out of state and transfer them to others, somebody else then commits a crime with them, HPD sharing information could potentially get you in hot water for no reason other than you owned the weapon at a point in time.
Now you have some explaining to do.
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I'd be more worried about liability. Since Hawaii wont let you un-register the guns, if you move them out of state and transfer them to others, somebody else then commits a crime with them, HPD sharing information could potentially get you in hot water for no reason other than you owned the weapon at a point in time.
Now you have some explaining to do.
That's how they get you. If you already know this, the state expects you'll protect your interests by getting and keeping the information for the person you sold it to.
Investigators will play hop scotch from owner to owner until they have the suspect or the trail goes cold.
At any point, if one of the owners fails to follow the law of the state they are in, they can be charged with a firearm crime. It could be as simple as not asking for ID before unknowingly selling to someone residing outside your state.
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That's how they get you. If you already know this, the state expects you'll protect your interests by getting and keeping the information for the person you sold it to.
Investigators will play hop scotch from owner to owner until they have the suspect or the trail goes cold.
At any point, if one of the owners fails to follow the law of the state they are in, they can be charged with a firearm crime. It could be as simple as not asking for ID before unknowingly selling to someone residing outside your state.
That's the thing. Hawaii wants me to continually play by their rules even after me and my property are gone. The Asian female behind the desk proved it when she said this "get a bill of sale".
I can tell you for a fact most of the people would not buy a gun with that stipulation. It goes to show the arrogance of the officers and the legislatures that set this fascist scheme up.
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That's all the responses I was expecting. I'm sorry to hear about it.
Do you plan on escalating the situation?
I wonder, what if you do decide to sell and the new owner then wants to sell also? Can the new owner sell, because according to Hawaii, you still are the registered owner on paper since they didn't un-register the guns.
Yes. I plan on being very vocal about it too. I will email the entire legislature about the other situation as well.
Did you know that the governor's office selectively signs retirement certificates for military now?
I went to the news media there and got a response from the governor's office. However, I have the entire chain of emails proving they are doing this from the governor's office.
Going back to the news media with this one.
I am out of the state now and plan on a few things.
The state government was the #2 reason for leaving that shit hole.
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Yes. I plan on being very vocal about it too. I will email the entire legislature about the other situation as well.
Did you know that the governor's office selectively signs retirement certificates for military now?
I went to the news media there and got a response from the governor's office. However, I have the entire chain of emails proving they are doing this from the governor's office.
Going back to the news media with this one.
I am out of the state now and plan on a few things.
The state government was the #2 reason for leaving that shit hole.
I sense alot of anger over nothing. I really don't know you but I have a feeling you're just that kind of person, angry at life. I'm not sorry to see you go. If I were government and looked at your comments on this forum, I would think "this is childish Imature rant, first". " Let's keep on eye on this guy". I'm not against your freedom of speech. I'm not liking your personality and your verbiage. Aloha no need to come back.
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So if a former Hawaii resident moved to another state along with all their firearms and HPD still maintains a record; would that be a federal database?
Would keeping records of another state resident would be a out of their jurisdiction?
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Yes. I plan on being very vocal about it too. I will email the entire legislature about the other situation as well.
Did you know that the governor's office selectively signs retirement certificates for military now?
I went to the news media there and got a response from the governor's office. However, I have the entire chain of emails proving they are doing this from the governor's office.
Going back to the news media with this one.
I am out of the state now and plan on a few things.
The state government was the #2 reason for leaving that shit hole.
So what's the #1? Keep us informed of the process.
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There is an initiative in Oregon to make you liable for anything that is done with a gun for 5 years after you sell it if you dont sell it with a trigger lock installed *at the time of sale* So if you did not put a trigger lock on it, sell it to someone and then 4 years later it gets stolen and used in a crime, you are liable for that crime.
So I'm guessing if you sell a gun you have to take a picture of it with the trigger lock in place, have some sort of time stamp on it, have the buyer sign some sort of sales receipt that says it had the trigger lock on it.
This is a clear attempt to get people to not sell firearms rather than actually curb crime.
I sense alot of anger over nothing. I really don't know you but I have a feeling you're just that kind of person, angry at life. I'm not sorry to see you go. If I were government and looked at your comments on this forum, I would think "this is childish Imature rant, first". " Let's keep on eye on this guy". I'm not against your freedom of speech. I'm not liking your personality and your verbiage. Aloha no need to come back.
I'd sense you would feel the same way once some of your rights are violated. You are not against freedom of speech but you think he should be monitored for expressing his frustration with a broken government? Be careful putting your trust into that.
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I'm not sure his rights are being violated. The only right that the scouts guarantees as guns go " is that you can own one" if you are not a crumb. It doesn't say what type. I'm speaking in general terms. My perceived rights have been violated many times. As an example dry towns in the south. But those are my perceived rights. Perceived rights are often twisted. No doubt we've lost many rights since 9/11. But we're they actually a right or just a privaledge. You start ranting against the government does nothing to further your cause.
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I sense alot of anger over nothing. I really don't know you but I have a feeling you're just that kind of person, angry at life. I'm not sorry to see you go. If I were government and looked at your comments on this forum, I would think "this is childish Imature rant, first". " Let's keep on eye on this guy". I'm not against your freedom of speech. I'm not liking your personality and your verbiage. Aloha no need to come back.
I sense a person who doesn't understand liberty. Hence this thread's title.
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So if a former Hawaii resident moved to another state along with all their firearms and HPD still maintains a record; would that be a federal database?
Would keeping records of another state resident would be a out of their jurisdiction?
Yes. The GOPA is supposed to limit this crap.
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I'm not sure his rights are being violated. The only right that the scouts guarantees as guns go " is that you can own one" if you are not a crumb. It doesn't say what type. I'm speaking in general terms. My perceived rights have been violated many times. As an example dry towns in the south. But those are my perceived rights. Perceived rights are often twisted. No doubt we've lost many rights since 9/11. But we're they actually a right or just a privaledge. You start ranting against the government does nothing to further your cause.
Look up GOPA and SCOTUS rulings on databases.
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I relate to z06psi's frustrations.
Hawaii is a beautiful place but its governing climate is far from ideal. Its OK for conformists and lemmings - which seem to be either the majority of the population or the voting majority (since we have low voter turnout)
From my small circle of friends - if it doesn't affect their pay or pocketbooks all if good. :shaka:
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I relate to z06psi's frustrations.
Hawaii is a beautiful place but its governing climate is far from ideal. Its OK for conformists and lemmings - which seem to be either the majority of the population or the voting majority (since we have low voter turnout)
From my small circle of friends - if it doesn't affect their pay or pocketbooks all if good. :shaka:
Exactly..... Hawaii is, as you say, a beautiful place but the majority of the populace are truly pathetic. My old lady loves it here and that is the only reason I stay but I’ll never give up trying to convince her that there are better places for us to live......
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It seemed like everywhere I went people were content and complicit with how the government acts there.
Look at all the low income housing and homeless. Honolulu is only 1 million people and it is staggering if you look at similar size cities.
Roads are the worst within the 50 states.
On and on and on.
All the tax dollars go to social programs which is what the government should not be doing.
The gun and vehicle laws just make it worse.
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Agreed.. And don’t forget the banning of fireworks too. And the limitations of places to target practice shooting past 100 yards. Anything you do with your car/truck gotta get recon.No more money to finish the rail. No race race tracks. No more ferry.. Oh geez, and the list goes on.. lol
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Exactly..... Hawaii is, as you say, a beautiful place but the majority of the populace are truly pathetic.
Got news for you, the majority of the people born and raised in Hawaii are not pathetic. On the contrary, those people who come to live in Hawaii from somewhere else, bringing their own equally offensive behaviors are pathetic.
My old lady loves it here and that is the only reason I stay but I’ll never give up trying to convince her that there are better places for us to live...…
Glad to hear your wife loves Hawaii, she has wonderful taste!
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Whatever.... you’d argue with a corpse..... was wondering how long it would take for you to chime in with your diatribe... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Agreed.. And don’t forget the banning of fireworks too. And the limitations of places to target practice shooting past 100 yards. Anything you do with your car/truck gotta get recon.No more money to finish the rail. No race race tracks. No more ferry.. Oh geez, and the list goes on.. lol
It's getting worse.
But I'm not sure if it's not because of the increased Mainland influence.
Hawaii used to be live and let live.
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Got news for you, the majority of the people born and raised in Hawaii are not pathetic. On the contrary, those people who come to live in Hawaii from somewhere else, bringing their own equally offensive behaviors are pathetic.
Glad to hear your wife loves Hawaii, she has wonderful taste!
Those are both broad generalizations so you can put the war flag down....relax. Not all people who come from outside Hawaii "bring equally offensive behaviors".
I was born and raised here as well. So what. What makes Hawaii great is the mix of ethnicities and talents we bring to the table. What makes it less than ideal is our current political leadership. The stifling of ideas and freedoms to cater to the norm and true progressions.
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To add its mrgafs liberty to express his opinion.
As is yours to express Hawaiian exclusiveness and the ousting of the US military from the 50th state.
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Maybe it's not much of a consolation but once you leave Hawaii, you can at least claim the firearms are no longer yours, if the need arises. The database may lead the government to you, but unless they can prove you still possessed them you should be okay. IF the system works like its supposed to.
I wonder, what if you do decide to sell and the new owner then wants to sell also? Can the new owner sell, because according to Hawaii, you still are the registered owner on paper since they didn't un-register the guns.
New owner can still sell, even back to a resident of Hawaii. A while back I purchased a firearm from Cabelas on the mainland that was still registered to someone at HPD. It just gave them a laugh. As long as your FFL paperwork checks out I'm guessing it will be fine.
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Those are both broad generalizations so you can put the war flag down....relax. Not all people who come from outside Hawaii "bring equally offensive behaviors".
I was born and raised here as well. So what. What makes Hawaii great is the mix of ethnicities and talents we bring to the table. What makes it less than ideal is our current political leadership. The stifling of ideas and freedoms to cater to the norm and true progressions.
This will probably get me banned again.
I gave up figuring out the races of people
I deal with here in Hawaii.
What I despise is Democrats.
No matter what the race is.
It is the character of you and not
the color of your skin.
Democrats should all be
eliminated,
per Pol Pot
" Since he is of no use anymore, there is no gain if he lives and no loss if he dies."
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This will probably get me banned again.
I gave up figuring out the races of people
I deal with here in Hawaii.
What I despise is Democrats.
No matter what the race is.
It is the character of you and not
the color of your skin.
Democrats should all be
eliminated,
per Pol Pot
" Since he is of no use anymore, there is no gain if he lives and no loss if he dies."
How many times have you been banned on here? Just curious, since you mentioned it ump-teen times.
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Whatever.... you’d argue with a corpse..... was wondering how long it would take for you to chime in with your diatribe... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You are the one, who made the blanketed statement that the majority of the populace of Hawaii are pathetic.
Not me.
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You are the one, who made the blanketed statement that the majority of the populace of Hawaii are pathetic.
Not me.
On the contrary, those people who come to live in Hawaii from somewhere else, bringing their own equally offensive behaviors are pathetic.
Nothing more hypocritical than defending one state's population being called "pathetic" by calling the 49 other states' populations pathetic! :rofl:
"No I'm not! You are!"
Pathetic! :wacko:
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Those are both broad generalizations so you can put the war flag down....relax. Not all people who come from outside Hawaii "bring equally offensive behaviors".
I was born and raised here as well. So what. What makes Hawaii great is the mix of ethnicities and talents we bring to the table. What makes it less than ideal is our current political leadership. The stifling of ideas and freedoms to cater to the norm and true progressions.
I did not say, nor would ever make a blanketed statement that all people who come from other places are pathetic. I responded to Mr. Graf's statement by saying only those people born abroad, who come to Hawaii and bring their offensive behaviors are equally pathetic. I was not referring to the many people who settle in Hawaii and adopt as well as contribute to the ever evolving local culture in the islands.
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To add its mrgafs liberty to express his opinion.
Never challenged his right to express his opinion.
Just offered a rebuttal to his personal attack calling the majority of locals living in Hawaii and who are members in this forum, as being pathetic, that's all. :shaka:
As is yours to express Hawaiian exclusiveness and the ousting of the US military from the 50th state.
You should get :stopjack: and not open a can of worms in regards to the legal status of Hawaii.
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Never challenged his right to express his opinion.
Just offered a rebuttal to his personal attack calling the majority of locals living in Hawaii and who are members in this forum, as being pathetic, that's all. :shaka:
You should get :stopjack: and not open a can of worms in regards to the legal status of Hawaii.
Last I checked Hawaii is the 50th State :shaka: no can of worms to be opened. It is a fact.
I appreciate the freedom the USA has afforded to me. As I mentioned before, its too bad the local leaders don't recognize that.
My observations parallel z60's. The local leaders have no problem taking from hard-working people and giving it to those that don't want to work. Those that receive those "benefits" are more than willing to give up what ever rights they don't exercise in order to maintain their lifestyle. One example is public housing. It was designed to be a safety net and NOT a permanent residence for generations of families. That's one reason I stopped delivering food for Meals on Wheels. A lot of these people have the means to get food but are too lazy to get it for themselves. If they have elder kids that can be up early in the morning playing video games they can certainly go get food down the street. Liberty is not granted to these people, they are issued a wheelchair owned by the govt. and the govt. pushes the wheelchair for them
Anyways, that's my rant.
By the way, ICBM launch sites are marked on the street by the blue reflective markers. With that said, we got a sh!t ton of them on this island alone!
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Last I checked Hawaii is the 50th State :shaka: no can of worms to be opened. It is a fact.
If you really want to open this topic again, I submit to you the following: http://hawaiiankingdom.org/pdf/Dr_deZayas_Memo_2_25_2018.pdf
The following document from the UN Human Rights Council is yet another example of mounting international evidence recognizing the Hawaiian Kingdom, as being an illegally occupied nation by the US. Consequently, a nation that is recognized as an illegally occupied nation, based by both international and US Constitutional Law, can't be part of the US, nor be even considered a 50th state.
Enjoy! :shaka:
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If you really want to open this topic again, I submit to you the following: http://hawaiiankingdom.org/pdf/Dr_deZayas_Memo_2_25_2018.pdf
The following document from the UN Human Rights Council is yet another example of mounting international evidence recognizing the Hawaiian Kingdom, as being an illegally occupied nation by the US. Consequently, a nation that is recognized as an illegally occupied nation, based by both international and US Constitutional Law, can't be part of the US, nor be even considered a 50th state.
Enjoy! :shaka:
by all means, as a US citizen you are welcome to try and kick me out of your kingdom
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by all means, as a US citizen you are welcome to try and kick me out of your kingdom
For someone who has served in the armed forces of the US and swore an oath to uphold the US Constitution, I guess you have a great disdain for that oath in your incessant hate of the restoration of the Hawaiian Nation that is the legal remedy based on the US Constitution.
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For someone who has served in the armed forces of the US and swore an oath to uphold the US Constitution, I guess you have a great disdain for that oath in your incessant hate of the restoration of the Hawaiian Nation that is the legal remedy based on the US Constitution.
You make a lot of assumptions. I referenced no hate. This has nothing to do with my service. As a property owner and US citizen, that document you referenced stated that people like me have no right to lands here in Hawaii. So like I said. Try and take it back. I'm certainly not the only land owner here in Hawaii.
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You make a lot of assumptions. I referenced no hate. This has nothing to do with my service. As a property owner and US citizen, that document you referenced stated that people like me have no right to lands here in Hawaii. So like I said. Try and take it back. I'm certainly not the only land owner here in Hawaii.
:stopjack:
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The major issue here is the lack of humbleness. I have the salution to this thread. Since I don't understand the word liberty and some of you do. How about I continue living here and the rest of you Einstein's get TF out. I'll be real blunt. Take your horn blowing, red light running, dodging in and out of traffic, non stop complaining about stuff that doesn't matter, arrogant ass back to where you came from. Go back to freedom. We can do without you.