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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: Bota-CS1 on June 07, 2018, 06:09:10 PM
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I wanted to start a thread for members to share their different setups and what works for them. Who knows we may all learn from each other and get new ideas on solving some issue we may have with our own setups. “It may look stupid to you, but if they’ve used it and it makes them a better shooter, then it’s not stupid.” - SF Major. I’m going to name as much of my gear as possible, not to be some pretentious ass, but to make it easier if you’re interested in something to find it.
The base is a Ronin Tactics Shuto belt. Starting at the top, the first pouch is a standard HDGI pistol mag pouch with a simple Fenix flashlight. Though I don’t always need it, I mounted the 3x3 shell caddy for when I have to work the 12 gauge. After that is a triple pistol mag pouch from Esstac for my VP9. I purposely left a gap between the pistol mags and the .308 Esstac pouch for something special that’s coming. The Esstac .308 pouch as an outer molle layer to which I attached my HSGI magnet dump pouch to. Though it may look like it, it really doesn’t get in the way of the mags. I bought a G-Code .308 pouch to see how it compares to other mag pouches like the HSGI or Esstac. I have to say I’m a fan of the design, but the clips it comes with are a super pain in the ass to mount. The molle clips the G-Code comes with, I think are over engineered with quad anchor points that make the pouch super solid, but very hard to change and move as you need to. I’ve got my VP9 in a Comptac holster (Macsak converted me from HK’s Austrian cousins), and Blue Force Gear med kit.
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I wanted to start a thread for members to share their different setups and what works for them. Who knows we may all learn from each other and get new ideas on solving some issue we may have with our own setups. “It may look stupid to you, but if they’ve used it and it makes them a better shooter, then it’s not stupid.” - SF Major. I’m going to name as much of my gear as possible, not to be some pretentious ass, but to make it easier if you’re interested in something to find it.
The base is a Ronin Tactics Shuto belt. Starting at the top, the first pouch is a standard HDGI pistol mag pouch with a simple Fenix flashlight. Though I don’t always need it, I mounted the 3x3 shell caddy for when I have to work the 12 gauge. After that is a triple pistol mag pouch from Esstac for my VP9. I purposely left a gap between the pistol mags and the .308 Esstac pouch for something special that’s coming. The Esstac .308 pouch as an outer molle layer to which I attached my HSGI magnet dump pouch to. Though it may look like it, it really doesn’t get in the way of the mags. I bought a G-Code .308 pouch to see how it compares to other mag pouches like the HSGI or Esstac. I have to say I’m a fan of the design, but the clips it comes with are a super pain in the ass to mount. The molle clips the G-Code comes with, I think are over engineered with quad anchor points that make the pouch super solid, but very hard to change and move as you need to. I’ve got my VP9 in a Comptac holster (Macsak converted me from HK’s Austrian cousins), and Blue Force Gear med kit.
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Got a SOE Gear 2” Duty Belt.
From left to right a SOE CQB Pouch that holds 2 M4 mags with pistol mags on the sides. (When I attended a HDF pistol course I took it off in favor of traditional pistol mags), SOE flashlight pouch, Maxpedition dump pouch, SOE Gear Compact Tear Off Medical Pouch with affixed TQ at my 6 so I can access it with either arm, a spare SOE pistol pouch (usually use this at home with dry practice for one handed reloads, and a G-Code XST RTI holster for my G19.
its my first belt "loadout" and I looked around and talked to a few friends and took to heart what I may need. Only problem I had were these velcro pistol mag pouches that were too cumbersome to reload quickly, but if anything it was more of a training issue on my end and not dry practicing with them enough. I'd say my favorite pieces are the CQB pouch that lets me hold pistol and rifle mags in one general area with as much of a low profile as possible and the tear off med pouch.
Only thing missing is the multi-tool pouch that isnt pictured here that normally goes on the same side as my pistol. Trying to decide if a field knife is necessary tho ...
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Great thread and food for discussion. I like to try different things and see for myself what works, but also good to hear about others experiences with gear and also to learn about what is available.
I’ll share a few of my setups.
This is the belt that I currently use most often, and also the most recent setup.
Orion belt from Coyote Tactical Solutions
Inner Belt with cobra buckle from TRex
Esstac Pistol and Rifle pouches with KYWI inserts (from SKD)
First Spear SSE pouch (SKD)
Tactical Tailor TQ pouch with CAT TQ
Streamlight Protac 2L-X in HSGI pistol taco
Safariland 7TS with QLS attachment and 2” drop
TRex Holster stabilizer strap
Sometimes I have a knife on the front of the belt I also have a Blie Force year Micro Trauma Kit pouch that will be on the back where the dump pouch is now. Just haven’t put it on. I have a bunch of holsters with QLS forks for different handguns.
Like the thinner profile of this belt. 2 rows molle as opposed to 3 for HSGI. Also lighter than HSGI.
Still getting used to this belt setup, especially the mag pouches that have more retention than I’m used to with the HSGI tacos.
Also use an inner belt. I use an Volund Atlas inner belt. It’s flat and well suited for an inner belt. Can also use for CC belt.
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One of my oldest and lightest setups.
US Grunt Gear Contractor’s belt and Velcro inner belt
USGG double pistol pouch for Glock mags
USGG double AR mag pouch
Tactical Tailor dump pouch
TT TQ pouch and CAT TQ
Streamlight Protac 2L-X in HSGI pistol taco
TRex Ragnarok for G17
Safariland QLS with duty drop and leg stabilizer
USGG makes excellent stuff, but they aren’t cheap and they often have a long wait time.
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One of my older setups too and well used. Good for when you need to wear warmer clothing.
HSGI Sure Grip Padded Belt and Cobra inner belt
HSGI pistol and rifle tacos
CSM dump pouch
Dark Angel med kit
Safariland SLS with G-Code RTI attachment and duty drop
I really like G-Code and HSGI stuff, but have found Safariland QLS better for me, at least for now.
Will probably sell this belt soon.
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My Battle Belt - been using this set up for over 5 years, works for me :shaka:
Battle Belt - High Speed Gear
Cobra Riggers Belt - Shellback Tactical
Mag Pouches - Esstac with Kywi inserts
IFAK - Blue Force Gear
Dump Pouch - Blue Force Gear
Holster - G-Code with drop platform
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Mark, been texting you bro but henry said i aint replying to you lol. I got an android, so if your using imessage, uh turn it off. My old phone was an apple.
Anyways..
I have multiple belts
Oldest being a brokos belt (big mistake bought many years ago)
5.11 duty belt as the base belt?
(Brokos belt is just a platform)
Als holster tlr1
Emdom dump pouch (bulky and stiff, good for an extreme loadout)
Kywi and tac tailor magna pistol pouches
1x kywi ar15 mag pouch
Vtac scissor suspenders (trust me you need this!)
Spare bfg mini dump pouch (for whatevs)
1x bfg ar15 mag pouch (can put whatever inside which is why i love it. Can hold a CAT, or RAT Or multi tool)
My recent belt
Blue alpha gear belt with inner belt
Als holster tlr1
Kywi mag pouches. Rifle and pistol
Tac tailor dump pouch
Spare bfg dump pouch
Double bfg ar15 mag pouch. 1 is used for a CAT
I usually run 3 pistol pouches and 1x rifle pouch. Although 1 of my other rigs has a double kywi (stacked version ar15 mag pouch.)
I have mid ride with qls adapters for all my belts so i can change holsters to whatever belt i want or need.
I always have those sterile gauze rubber banded to a cat or rat. Anything else would be in my chest rig.
I got 3 other belts inbetween my first and last. But tired of typing already 🙃
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Vest and belt
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I'm putting a belt together, I'm tired of using the flimsy nylon belts. Trying to make a multipurpose belt for different types of shooting for combat competitions, USPSA, classes, and something I can throw on quickly at home.
I started out with the Ronin Shuto gun belt using the velcro inner belt for regular shooting, and a HSGI micro grip belt panel for emergency use at home. Using Esstac Kywi pistol and rifle magazine pouches along with bladetech and safariland clip in shotshell caddys and additional pistol pouches for USPSA. I'll be using safariland, bladetech, and speedbeez holsters using the QLS attachment system and I'm waiting for the QUBL system to come out this month which allows forholster height adjustments so I can be USPSA height and belt distance legal and can lower it for combat type shooting.
IFAK will probably be a Coyote Tactical STOMP that I'll wear in the back, but it's out of stock. Might consider the Blue Force micro ifak.
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Mernickle rigs, 4 1/2" SSA plus 12ga belt... 8)
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Hi guys,
nice setups BTW!!
but just curious, besides pistol holster and mag holders, what's the purpose of using a mag dump pouch?
Also, I would need an inner and outer belt right? I think I'm about a 38-40 waist now... >:( >:( >:(
I'm thinking of making a range belt so I can participate with HDF's open shooting when kokohead opens.
Any feedback appreciated
Mahalos everybody :shaka:
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Hi guys,
nice setups BTW!!
but just curious, besides pistol holster and mag holders, what's the purpose of using a mag dump pouch?
Also, I would need an inner and outer belt right? I think I'm about a 38-40 waist now... >:( >:( >:(
I'm thinking of making a range belt so I can participate with HDF's open shooting when kokohead opens.
Any feedback appreciated
Mahalos everybody :shaka:
One practical reason is you might want to hang onto any mags you ejected during a tactical reload. Those rounds might come in handy if you cycle through all your mags. Another would be that, in a real hostile environment, you don't want to lose the empties. Dump pouches are a convenient way to stow them during reloads. Trying to squeeze them back into your carrier can be (1) difficult, and (2) confusing if you accidentally reach for one that's already empty.
Realistically, for training, it's just a convenient place to carry empties rather than having to police them up later.
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One practical reason is you might want to hang onto any mags you ejected during a tactical reload. Those rounds might come in handy if you cycle through all your mags. Another would be that, in a real hostile environment, you don't want to lose the empties. Dump pouches are a convenient way to stow them during reloads. Trying to squeeze them back into your carrier can be (1) difficult, and (2) confusing if you accidentally reach for one that's already empty.
Realistically, for training, it's just a convenient place to carry empties rather than having to police them up later.
AHHH!! Okay
When I watch tactical shooting vidoes, I've always seen people just drop the mags on the ground that's why...
But good to know, so sounds like a must :thumbsup:
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1) but just curious, besides pistol holster and mag holders, what's the purpose of using a mag dump pouch?
2) Also, I would need an inner and outer belt right? I think I'm about a 38-40 waist now... >:( >:( >:(
1) For storing snacks. ;D
Nah it’s pretty much another pocket, but easier and faster to get to. Especially useful for classes when I want more mags and ammo on me and want to limit going back an forth. Useful for other stuff as well, but not really realistic for me.
2) You’ll have plenty of options still. I have shooting buddies in that size range. :P Whether you need an inner/outlet belt depends on what basic setup you want to start with. Velcro needs inner/outer. Padded belts can be standalone.
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AHHH!! Okay
When I watch tactical shooting vidoes, I've always seen people just drop the mags on the ground that's why...
But good to know, so sounds like a must :thumbsup:
Those may be emergency/slide lock reloads with completely empty magazines. Or IPSC competitions where they will dump partially empty magazines to save on time for a better score.
All training schools that I know of teach tactical reloads where you save partially empty magazines that still contain rounds. For a civilian scenario with a limited round count, a dump pouch isn't necessary. You can put the mags in your pocket.
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Hey Thanks drck1000 and zippz
I appreciate the feedback!!
Any of you guys know where or who I should go to sign up for some tactical classes?? Hopefully not $300 kind... >:(
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Hey Thanks drck1000 and zippz
I appreciate the feedback!!
Any of you guys know where or who I should go to sign up for some tactical classes?? Hopefully not $300 kind... >:(
:shaka:
You should table that question until after May .... >:(
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Hey Thanks drck1000 and zippz
I appreciate the feedback!!
Any of you guys know where or who I should go to sign up for some tactical classes?? Hopefully not $300 kind... >:(
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There's at least a couple of threads on training. I have one and I think Zips as well. Check out those, ask questions, etc. Feel free to DM me if you want. Happy to help.
There are some formal classes available locally, but they aren't that often. Like FJ said, hopefully after May things will get back going on those.
What are some things you're interested in getting training for?
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There's at least a couple of threads on training. I have one and I think Zips as well. Check out those, ask questions, etc. Feel free to DM me if you want. Happy to help.
There are some formal classes available locally, but they aren't that often. Like FJ said, hopefully after May things will get back going on those.
What are some things you're interested in getting training for?
Basic range belt setups, drawing and firing for both pistols and rifles...
I have a friend that does competition shooting on Sundays and he always invited me, but it was football season at the time... :rofl:
Ever since I’ve been out of work and no sports going on, been looking into this and getting very curious about competing... the only thing I’m worried about is Ammo cost :rofl:
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Basic range belt setups, drawing and firing for both pistols and rifles...
I have a friend that does competition shooting on Sundays and he always invited me, but it was football season at the time... :rofl:
Ever since I’ve been out of work and no sports going on, been looking into this and getting very curious about competing... the only thing I’m worried about is Ammo cost :rofl:
Ahh, while I’ve seen folks using setups discussed above for USPSA competitions, you’ll mostly see folks with belt setups specific to both for each (edited). I have best a belt (edited) setup specifically for pistol matches and more defensive training. One thing about pistol matches is that most have 4-6 mags on them. For defensive training, I have 2 pistol mags with people typically having 1-3.
Yup, ammo cost is a major consideration for me. Most people think the cost is mostly in the guns. While I’ve spent a lot on gun, ammo cost is up there, especially when I shoot a lot.
For what you’ve said, I would recommend going with your friend to check out a competition. Other less expensive opportunities are the various range days or a private lesson with an instructor at a local range. I would 1000% recommend attending Foundational level shooting course, but those will run $200-$300, even for the rare opportunities locally. You’re looking at $2000+ for mainland courses, and likely closer to $4000+.
Good luck. Always good to hear people interested in getting out and training and shooting.
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Ahh, while I’ve seen folks using setups discussed above for USPSA competitions, you’ll mostly see folks with belt setups specific to both. I have best setup specifically for pistol matches and more defensive training. One thing about pistol matches is that most have 4-6 mags on them. For defensive training, I have 2 pistol mags with people typically having 1-3.
Yup, ammo cost is a major consideration for me. Most people think the cost is mostly in the guns. While I’ve spent a lot on gun, ammo cost is up there, especially when I shoot a lot.
For what you’ve said, I would recommend going with your friend to check out a competition. Other less expensive opportunities are the various range days or a private lesson with an instructor at a local range. I would 1000% recommend attending Foundational level shooting course, but those will run $200-$300, even for the rare opportunities locally. You’re looking at $2000+ for mainland courses, and likely closer to $4000+.
Good luck. Always good to hear people interested in getting out and training and shooting.
Going with someone who can show you the ropes is always helpful. Maybe if you ask nicely, they will let you try their gun and ammo. :rofl:
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Going with someone who can show you the ropes is always helpful. Maybe if you ask nicely, they will let you try their gun and ammo. :rofl:
Sure does, especially when it comes to shooting. Then key is after you've had the initial exposure, jump in next time.
All of the local USPSA/IPSC clubs that I've shot with are super helpful to newbies. That's the thing with most in the gun culture, most are eager to share their new acquisitions.
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I put my range belt together and I'm happy on how it turned out. Very sturdy and secure. This is going to be my multipurpose belt for training, USPSA, PPC, and home defense. For USPSA, I'll clip a couple of bladetech teklock pistol mag holders in the back
Ronin Shuto Belt in Multicam - $141.
https://www.ronintactics.com/store/p181/Sh%C5%ABto_Belt_.html
Measure waist with a tape measure. Very stiff and high quality 1.75" molle belt. I skipped the D ring to save on weight. Comes with a 2" inner velcro belt which might not fit regular belt loops.
HSGI Micro Grip Belt Panel $24
https://www.highspeedgear.com/hsgi/micro-grip-95MG.html
Velcros inside of the Ronin belt. I can throw the belt on very quickly for emergencies or easily for convenience. It's very comfortable and surprisingly secure.
Esstac Double Pistol GAP KWYI Pouch - $30
https://www.esstac.com/product-page/double-pistol-gap-kwyi-pouch-1
Good quality and fast access to magazines. Very firm hold on the magazines and should withstand an obstacle course. This is for the double stack mags, but it also holds my 1911 mags reasonably secure as long as I don't do somersaults. My regular loadout is one pouch, but I'lll add a 2nd one for pistol classes.
Esstac 5.56 Single KYWI Shorty $23
https://www.esstac.com/product-page/5-56-single-kywi-shorty-w
Also very secure even if it's the shortest pouch. My regular loadout is two pouches with one filled for self-defense.
Coyote Tactical STOMP Gen 2 $60
http://www.coyotetacticalsolutions.com/slim-tear-off-medical-pouch-s-t-o-m-p-gen-2/
Midsize IFAK worn in the back. Can tear it off from the velcro and it's zippered so the contents will stay clean. It's bearable when I sit down. It contains:
1. Trauma Shears $10
2. Combat Application Tournaquet $34
3. Hyfin Compact Vented Chest Seal (x2) $15
4. NAR Compressed Gauze $4
5. NAR Mini Responder ETD 4" $5
6. QuickClot Combat Gauze $43
7. Nexcare Flexible Clear Tape $2
8. Gloves
Got these from Darkangel with a 20% discount
Condor Double Pistol Mag Pouch $14
https://www.amazon.com/CONDOR-MA23-008-Double-Pistol-Multicam/dp/B0082CVLLK
Good quality for the price. Holds my flashlight(Nitecore MH12GTS) and Gerber multitool.
Safariland QUBL QLS system $48
https://www.safariland.com/products/qubl-qls-universal-belt-loop-model_QUBL.html#q=qls&start=1
https://www.safariland.com/products/holsters-and-gear/holsters/tactical-military-holsters/hardware-and-accessories/model-6004-19-quick-locking-system-holster-fork-qls-19-23114.html#q=fork&start=1 $15
I'm waiting for delivery. It can swap out holsters easily, adjustable for height, and passes retention tests. I can raise it up to compete in USPSA(?) and lower it for other training. I should be able to modify it to hold other brands of holsters.
3" S-Biner to clip in gloves
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001HN6CW4/ref=pe_825000_114212990_TE_n_id
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Before anyone asks, I put the clips facing up so it doesn't dig into my legs when I sit down and figured I may as well do it for all of them.
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Before anyone asks, I put the clips facing up so it doesn't dig into my legs when I sit down and figured I may as well do it for all of them.
Have you tried your belt yet? Particularly drawing the mags. I see a gap at the bottom of the mail if clips. With the tension in the KYWI insert, it can cause the pouch to slide a bit, even when weaved through. At least that’s something that I noticed with my belt that has the ESSTAC pouches (not the Ronin belt tho).
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Have you tried your belt yet? Particularly drawing the mags. I see a gap at the bottom of the mail if clips. With the tension in the KYWI insert, it can cause the pouch to slide a bit, even when weaved through. At least that’s something that I noticed with my belt that has the ESSTAC pouches (not the Ronin belt tho).
The molle on belts like these are under spec, .75" instead of 1" spacing so it tightens it up. Those mag pouches are solid.
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I'm debating between the Ronin or a Blue Alpha Gear.
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I'm debating between the Ronin or a Blue Alpha Gear.
I got the Ronin and heard the Blue Alpha is also good too. Look to be the same quality and around the same price so either one would be fine. Only difference I can see is the inner belt size. 2" on ronin and 1.5" on the other.
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I got the Ronin and heard the Blue Alpha is also good too. Look to be the same quality and around the same price so either one would be fine. Only difference I can see is the inner belt size. 2" on ronin and 1.5" on the other.
I'll measure my belt buckles for my range pants later. That may be the deciding factor. Ronin is $50 more.
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I'm debating between the Ronin or a Blue Alpha Gear.
If you are a fan of the velcro inner/outer, check out US Grunt Gear. They have their standard offerings, but since each order is custom made, they have a lot of flexibility. Quality gear and I have a number of their belts and other stuff. Depending on what you want, one of the main folks often will get on the phone with you to iron things out. Downside is that their lead time can be long.
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If you are a fan of the velcro inner/outer, check out US Grunt Gear. They have their standard offerings, but since each order is custom made, they have a lot of flexibility. Quality gear and I have a number of their belts and other stuff. Depending on what you want, one of the main folks often will get on the phone with you to iron things out. Downside is that their lead time can be long.
No rush, the bays are closed anyways.
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No rush, the bays are closed anyways.
If/when you end up coming out to shoot a pistol match, you can try out one of my USGG belts.
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If/when you end up coming out to shoot a pistol match, you can try out one of my USGG belts.
Only if can use ur gun and ammo.
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Only if can use ur gun and ammo.
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That would be illegal. . . #nodai
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That would be illegal. . . #nodai
Not if you're there, too.
Just sayin' .... :thumbsup:
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Not if you're there, too.
Just sayin' .... :thumbsup:
Be at a range when CMO is shooting? Live? No way Hose-A. . .
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Be at a range when CMO is shooting? Live? No way Hose-A. . .
:rofl:
No worries, I'll have tin foil hats for everyone. We will be safe.
So I've decided to get the Blue Alpha Gear belt. Thanks to Zipps for pointing out the 2 inch inner belt for the Ronin one. 2 Inch will fit military trousers, he designed it for a snug fit. I do only wear military type trousers to range days, but you never know when I may wear other pants, like say to classes in Vegas. So I don't want to have to deal with belt loops not fitting the Ronin belt. BAG is the standard 1.5 inch inner belt height. Plus it's like $50 less. And although the Ronin 1 is a little more sturdy, I'm not in the military and would at most wear the belt once a month when the bays open. And the Ronin comes with a cool Ronin tag on it.
Now to decide on color. FML, too many choices. Debating between black or gray. All my holsters, plate carrier, mag pouches, TQ holder are all black.
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Another option for the inner belt, besides buying a separate smaller one, is to get the hsgi inner grippy belt.
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Another option for the inner belt, besides buying a separate smaller one, is to get the hsgi inner grippy belt.
Ronin also sells a 1.5 inch inner belt, but that increases the price of a $200 set up to $240. They do not allow a swap.
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Ronin also sells a 1.5 inch inner belt, but that increases the price of a $200 set up to $240. They do not allow a swap.
I think I have an extra 1.5" belt. I'll have to check when I get home. It's the hooks facing out config. I think it's black. Figured I'd mention that since you seem to be obsessed with color scheme. . . :rofl:
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I think I have an extra 1.5" belt. I'll have to check when I get home. It's the hooks facing out config. I think it's black. Figured I'd mention that since you seem to be obsessed with color scheme. . . :rofl:
OCD, gotta be all matchy matchy. Or gotta buy a multicam plate carrier.
Same reason why never add RDS to pistols yet. I would have to buy multiple.
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One practical reason is you might want to hang onto any mags you ejected during a tactical reload. Those rounds might come in handy if you cycle through all your mags. Another would be that, in a real hostile environment, you don't want to lose the empties. Dump pouches are a convenient way to stow them during reloads. Trying to squeeze them back into your carrier can be (1) difficult, and (2) confusing if you accidentally reach for one that's already empty.
Realistically, for training, it's just a convenient place to carry empties rather than having to police them up later.
But in reality, 90% of the time used when picking up brass. Less trips to the brass bucket.
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OCD, gotta be all matchy matchy. Or gotta buy a multicam plate carrier.
Same reason why never add RDS to pistols yet. I would have to buy multiple.
You don’t see the inner belt...
The don’t sell purple RDSs. :rofl:
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But in reality, 90% of the time used when picking up brass. Less trips to the brass bucket.
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I don't wear a dump pouch anymore as I don't see a use for it and hate it when it bounces around when running.. At the range I'll dump mags into the pockets and use my hat to collect brass. in emergency situations, you might do one reload or two at the very most. Those can be put in the pockets or back on the belt. I can see the dump pouch being useful if you get into a firefight and go through 10 magazines or need to collect evidence and intel in a warzone really fast, but in the civilian world I just don't see a big need for one. If belt real estate is tight, I'd rather have a good first aid kit, flashlight, and multitool. If you're using a plate carrier and have the belt real estate open, then it wouldn't hurt to have one.
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Followup on my rangebelt: https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=31624.msg326738#msg326738
I've used my range belt a few times at the range and for pistol and rifle classes. The belt has worked out very well overall.
Belt: The Ronin belt is solid with both the inner velcro belt and the HSGI grip belt. Only problem is the large Safariland holster hanger detaches the velcro at the attachment area causing a little holster sag and flop. Could also be due to the gun and holster being a bit heavier. I'm going to try using belt keepers or zip ties to secure it better.
Pouches: Pouches work great and no problems securing the magazines. I was originally going to get the "no gap" double pouches to save space on the belt, but the gap makes for a more secure grip on the mags.
First Aid: It's not bad being in the small of the back and I can roll over it. A little annoying sitting down on a chair but not too bad. I would get a smaller one or move it if I had to sit in a chair all day.
Condor pouch: works well, but my double CR123 flashlight (on the short side) barely fits in it.
Holster: The QUBL QLS system works as advertised and very secure. It is a bit "thicker" than a standard Safariland hanger so there is a little more flop when drawing the gun and doesn't meet USPSA Production rules on distance to the inner belt. I'm trying to figure out a way to attach a leg strap to it for a smoother draw.
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I bought the new Safariland QUBL hanger for my 6390 holster. This one has 3 different height adjustments that can be easily changed with the pull tab, is rated for retention, and has built in support for the QLS forks. There are other models with some of the features, but this is the newest version with all 3 features. It's very sturdy and can take a lot of abuse. I'm sure a bad guy could break it, but I'd be difficult to do in a struggle for the gun.
Downside is it's a bit heavy and bulky. The holster sits a bit farther away from the body so there could be a little bit more flop when drawing the gun. It also doesn't make USPSA production class due to the distance from the holster to the inside belt. I'm trying to figure out how to attach a leg strap to it.
https://safariland.com/products/qubl-vertical-belt-loop
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I bought the new Safariland QUBL hanger for my 6390 holster. This one has 3 different height adjustments that can be easily changed with the pull tab, is rated for retention, and has built in support for the QLS forks. There are other models with some of the features, but this is the newest version with all 3 features. It's very sturdy and can take a lot of abuse. I'm sure a bad guy could break it, but I'd be difficult to do in a struggle for the gun.
Downside is it's a bit heavy and bulky. The holster sits a bit farther away from the body so there could be a little bit more flop when drawing the gun. It also doesn't make USPSA production class due to the distance from the holster to the inside belt. I'm trying to figure out how to attach a leg strap to it.
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Wow that thing looks super bulky. I sill use their regular UBL attachment and it provides enough drop, at least for me.
For the leg strap, I've been using the one from T-Rex Arms. Though I've seen G-Code and a few others come out with similar recently. Pretty easy to install behind the UBL. Tougher for some hangar mounts/plates, but lots of examples on the interwebs.
For the hangar "detach", you can fill the gap with velcro adhesive strips. I have done that with a couple of holsters for my competition setups. Some companies sell smaller tabs of velcro, but I bought the strips on Amazon. The "outdoor grade" adhesive ones have held up well.
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Wow that thing looks super bulky. I sill use their regular UBL attachment and it provides enough drop, at least for me.
For the leg strap, I've been using the one from T-Rex Arms. Though I've seen G-Code and a few others come out with similar recently. Pretty easy to install behind the UBL. Tougher for some hangar mounts/plates, but lots of examples on the interwebs.
For the hangar "detach", you can fill the gap with velcro adhesive strips. I have done that with a couple of holsters for my competition setups. Some companies sell smaller tabs of velcro, but I bought the strips on Amazon. The "outdoor grade" adhesive ones have held up well.
The QLS adds most of the bulk, but it is the most robust system. It's harder to tear away than the gcode. It is slimmer than if you bought everything separately and put it together. Velcro ties may work, I'll try that.
I haven't figured out how to attach a leg strap since there's no mounting points. I may have to drill a hole to attach a trex arms strap.
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The QLS adds most of the bulk, but it is the most robust system. It's harder to tear away than the gcode. It is slimmer than if you bought everything separately and put it together. Velcro ties may work, I'll try that.
I haven't figured out how to attach a leg strap since there's no mounting points. I may have to drill a hole to attach a trex arms strap.
My leg strap goes between the UBL (mid-ride) and the QLS plate. Can the two screws in the mount from the QLS plate to the QUBL hanger come off? Can't tell from the pic. Would need to see the other side of that plate.
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I ordered my war belt last night. I'll post pics in a few weeks when it comes in and I set it up. I tried my friends Blue Alpha one and my Gcode hoslter doesnt clip correctly. I may dremel it a little until I decide to upgrade the part where the holster attaches to the outer belt. It's like 3/16 inches off.
Ordered the Esstac double pistol mag and single rifle mag holders. The pistol was from Esstac website, blem. And the rifle mag from SKD Tactical.
Also gonna attach a TQ holder kydex that KM Concepts made in the back of the belt. No IFAK, that's on my range bag. Will probably upgrade later and put on the belt (Blue Force Gear IFAK).
Got a Glock made K-Bar that I also want to put on the belt. Got it on Amazon when Glock first released it, it was $19.99 at the time. The sheath it comes with sucks, but it may have to do till I upgrade it later.
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I bought the new Safariland QUBL hanger for my 6390 holster. This one has 3 different height adjustments that can be easily changed with the pull tab, is rated for retention, and has built in support for the QLS forks. There are other models with some of the features, but this is the newest version with all 3 features. It's very sturdy and can take a lot of abuse. I'm sure a bad guy could break it, but I'd be difficult to do in a struggle for the gun.
Downside is it's a bit heavy and bulky. The holster sits a bit farther away from the body so there could be a little bit more flop when drawing the gun. It also doesn't make USPSA production class due to the distance from the holster to the inside belt. I'm trying to figure out how to attach a leg strap to it.
https://safariland.com/products/qubl-vertical-belt-loop
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I forget where i bought it from, maybe amazon, but its a safariland t spacer .
It has lil bit extra long screws and of course a spacer and some plastic or rubber spacers of different lengths. And it was designed to extend the qls fork outward. Prob could fit a leg strap behind it. I dont, i just wanted it canted outward. Ill try find it after i post this.
Edit: ok maybe it didnt come with o-shaped spacers, just the t spacer. Go home depot buy sone washers and screws and extend it out lol. Create enough space between the female qls fork and qubl thing. And loctite it lol
Just make sure you get yfs or grade 8 or grade 10 button head bolts/screws.
Edit again: after searching my orders i got a hda drop kit from ebay. Its like 35 bucks and that has the spacers i was talking bout. But its 35 bucks and you dont need all the extra stuff. I was able to drop 1 holster offset, and another just extended out. I adapt pretty well so i got all kine holsters from bca to tr holsters, to leather to als. Im weird
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If (or when) I get to replacing my current setup, I want to try this holster mount/adapter. A couple of buddies on the mainland have tried it and they’ve reported good things.
https://truenorth-usa.com/product/modular-holster-adapter/
Otherwise, I’m happy with Safariland for training belt. I use other mounts for competition though.
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Esstac mag carrier came in. Blem sale.
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What was the blem? The stitching in the back?
I've bought blems from a number of companies over the years. Geissele chainsaw lower, BCM, etc. I couldn't even tell what was up. Even with the chainsaw lower. A couple of folks at OGC couldn't even determine what was up.
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First thanks for all the ideas...
So I've got my belt mostly together now. Did it all on the cheap but don't think it came out badly.
Still missing a first aid kit but, it's always a work in progress.
L to R
Condor LCS belt (I added the cobra buckle myself and saved $40)
NiteIze carabiner that folds nice and flat
5.11 flex double pistol mag holder.
5.11 flex double AR mag holder
5.11 flex dump pouch
Safariland mid-ride with the QLS
Safariland GLS holster. It holds my M&P and Polymer80 G19. Haven't tried the 1911 in yet but watched a video where a guy put 8 different size & type guns in it and worked
Can't decide if I want to mount a fixed blade or not.
With the pistol mag pouches, the shorter magazines want to get buried all the way to the base plate. I saw somewhere that people have put cutoff pieces of 1/2 PVC in the bottom of the to give standoff room. I'll have to try that.
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With the pistol mag pouches, the shorter magazines want to get buried all the way to the base plate. I saw somewhere that people have put cutoff pieces of 1/2 PVC in the bottom of the to give standoff room. I'll have to try that.
Again thanks. Hope to see and meet a bunch of you at the range when the world improves.
I had similar issue with HSGI pouches, where only maybe 1/2" or so of the mag was exposed above the pouch. I put sections of foam on the bottom. It was spacers that came with another mag pouch that I cut down. I dunno the material, but it's like the black insulation on piping. It's a little flexible, but dense enough to use as a spacer.
With the ESSTAC pouches I have, the G19 mags will sit pretty low. With the KYWI insert, it has enough "grab" on the mags that I can set them at the right level when I am loading up the pouches, but the mags don't move around, even when wogging (essentially a fast walk).
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I had similar issue with HSGI pouches, where only maybe 1/2" or so of the mag was exposed above the pouch. I put sections of foam on the bottom. It was spacers that came with another mag pouch that I cut down. I dunno the material, but it's like the black insulation on piping. It's a little flexible, but dense enough to use as a spacer.
With the ESSTAC pouches I have, the G19 mags will sit pretty low. With the KYWI insert, it has enough "grab" on the mags that I can set them at the right level when I am loading up the pouches, but the mags don't move around, even when wogging (essentially a fast walk).
don't you mean "waddling"?
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don't you mean "waddling"?
"waddling" still more effective than "poof poofs"
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"waddling" still more effective than "poof poofs"
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What was the blem? The stitching in the back?
I've bought blems from a number of companies over the years. Geissele chainsaw lower, BCM, etc. I couldn't even tell what was up. Even with the chainsaw lower. A couple of folks at OGC couldn't even determine what was up.
The cut on the left looks off.
My OWL cloud defensive wml is also a blem. Theres a slight scratch. So is my Geiselle handguard. Slight scratch.
My firearms and accessories are tools and gonna get dinged/scratched at some point. So those things dont bother me. Heck, guys pay good money for battle worn cerakote.
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The cut on the left looks off.
My OWL cloud defensive wml is also a blem. Theres a slight scratch. So is my Geiselle handguard. Slight scratch.
My firearms and accessories are tools and gonna get dinged/scratched at some point. So those things dont bother me. Heck, guys pay good money for battle worn cerakote.
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Yeah, I'm good with blems. With all of my current firearms, they are all shooters and they certainly show use. While I don't purposely trash my guns, they aren't babied at all. I mean I'm not going to be taking my dad's old revolvers to a range day and roll around in the dirt, but they all get shot every so often (at least prior to COVID).
A couple of shooting buddies are interested in the battleworn look, but not for me. I'm not really a tinkerer or one to experiment with paint schemes.
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Yeah, I'm good with blems. With all of my current firearms, they are all shooters and they certainly show use. While I don't purposely trash my guns, they aren't babied at all. I mean I'm not going to be taking my dad's old revolvers to a range day and roll around in the dirt, but they all get shot every so often (at least prior to COVID).
A couple of shooting buddies are interested in the battleworn look, but not for me. I'm not really a tinkerer or one to experiment with paint schemes.
I had a friend who just took up BJJ (Jiu Jitsu) and wanted the califlower ear. So he started to rub it when ever not doing anything so helps speed up the process. Total poser.
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I had a friend who just took up BJJ (Jiu Jitsu) and wanted the califlower ear. So he started to rub it when ever not doing anything so helps speed up the process. Total poser.
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I was in Judo when I was little through HS. Never developed cauliflower ear. However, when I got to HS level, lots of wrestlers joined Judo at my HS. Anyways, the upperclassmen ended up "giving" one of the guys on the team a cauliflower ear. Over weeks, they "sped up the process". He had to get that sucker drained a few times in HS.
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War belt came in. Merry xmas from Mrs.cmo.
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War belt came in. Merry xmas from Mrs.cmo.
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Not tactical
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don't you mean "waddling"?
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wogging
The act of stealing. The act of theft. This is a modern usage of the derivative word, Wog. A Wog is anyone who is not white and, British, Canadian, Australian, American, Israeli etc.
Wogs are considered to be completely without scruples, and have no hesitation in stealing someones goods and selling them. Wogs cannot organize their own affairs and are therefore reliant on corruption
1) Listen up you bastard, if I find out you were the one who has been wogging my records and selling them I will cut your balls off and shove them up your arse.
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War belt came in. Merry xmas from Mrs.cmo.
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Keeping it simple, cool.
Those pistol pouches look like they would be near the front part of your stomach.
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wogging
The act of stealing. The act of theft. This is a modern usage of the derivative word, Wog. A Wog is anyone who is not white and, British, Canadian, Australian, American, Israeli etc.
Wogs are considered to be completely without scruples, and have no hesitation in stealing someones goods and selling them. Wogs cannot organize their own affairs and are therefore reliant on corruption
1) Listen up you bastard, if I find out you were the one who has been wogging my records and selling them I will cut your balls off and shove them up your arse.
Wogging = somewhere in between a walk and a jog. Didn't think it would need jenious level smats to figgah dat one out. . . :rofl:
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Keeping it simple, cool.
Those pistol pouches look like they would be near the front part of your stomach.
It's a little toward the front cause I run side plates for body armor and don't got a gut. At 1 point had a huge IFAK molle'd to the side plate area (under the armpit pretty much). Removed the IFAK and keep that in the range bag and just run TQ.
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It's a little toward the front cause I run side plates for body armor and don't got a gut. At 1 point had a huge IFAK molle'd to the side plate area (under the armpit pretty much). Removed the IFAK and keep that in the range bag and just run TQ.
Cool. Hope you don’t whack your knuckles doing reloads. :o
And it’s called “level gut retention”.
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My Gcode holster I tried on my friends BAG belt and it didn't fit the clip. So the plan was to dremel a little off. Instead of ordering a new attachment that would cost me about $50. But when I tried it on my belt, it fits perfect.
I got grey cause everyone has black, FDE, or multicam. Plus grey matches the purple stuff better too.
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Work in progress
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Finally about done. RDR enhanced belt, True North drop plate with QLS fork for Safariland holsters, Spyderco Bradley Bowie fixed blade, HSGI Reflex IFAK, HSGI magnet dump pouch, and HSGI tacos.
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I bought the new Safariland QUBL hanger for my 6390 holster. This one has 3 different height adjustments that can be easily changed with the pull tab, is rated for retention, and has built in support for the QLS forks. There are other models with some of the features, but this is the newest version with all 3 features. It's very sturdy and can take a lot of abuse. I'm sure a bad guy could break it, but I'd be difficult to do in a struggle for the gun.
Downside is it's a bit heavy and bulky. The holster sits a bit farther away from the body so there could be a little bit more flop when drawing the gun. It also doesn't make USPSA production class due to the distance from the holster to the inside belt. I'm trying to figure out how to attach a leg strap to it.
https://safariland.com/products/qubl-vertical-belt-loop
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So how are you liking the QUBL?
You find a way to mount a strap?