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Tools and Uses => Firearms and Accessories => Topic started by: drck1000 on July 05, 2018, 07:29:57 AM
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What's so good about Geissele triggers?
I've always been interested in them, but have just never gotten around to trying one. I was pretty close to ordering their single stage trigger in their 4th of July sale, but I ended up ordering a bunch of other stuff, so I held off. At least for now.
Understand that there are different triggers for different applications. If I had an AR setup for precision shooting, I think I would like have a Geissele trigger, or at least have tried one. They aren't cheap though.
My two main ARs have the stock USGI triggers. One Colt and the other BCM. To me, they are good for what I use them for, which is training for defensive use. I used to shoot USPSA/IPSC style matches with them, but haven't recently.
Having never owned one, I always wondered what I was missing.
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What's so good about Geissele triggers?
I've always been interested in them, but have just never gotten around to trying one. I was pretty close to ordering their single stage trigger in their 4th of July sale, but I ended up ordering a bunch of other stuff, so I held off. At least for now.
Understand that there are different triggers for different applications. If I had an AR setup for precision shooting, I think I would like have a Geissele trigger, or at least have tried one. They aren't cheap though.
My two main ARs have the stock USGI triggers. One Colt and the other BCM. To me, they are good for what I use them for, which is training for defensive use. I used to shoot USPSA/IPSC style matches with them, but haven't recently.
Having never owned one, I always wondered what I was missing.
Want to take my AR to the class on the 14th and run it a bit?? It's got a Super Dynamic Combat trigger in it. Might as well see how it feels and determine if it's worth it to ya.
I'm teaching a handgun safety class that day so I can't come :-(
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Oh I've also got a spare https://algdefense.com/alg-combat-trigger-act.html lying around if you wanna see the difference between 3 triggers. Will sell super cheap if you want it ;-)
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Want to take my AR to the class on the 14th and run it a bit?? It's got a Super Dynamic Combat trigger in it. Might as well see how it feels and determine if it's worth it to ya.
I'm teaching a handgun safety class that day so I can't come :-(
Can you throw in about 100 rounds into the rifle bag too? That should give me a good feel for the trigger. ;D
I wanted to stick with a single stage trigger, but that one also caught my eye. And the sale is still running. . .
I was actually thinking of testing out the AK in that class too. So much stuff to try out, so little range time. :(
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Oh I've also got a spare https://algdefense.com/alg-combat-trigger-act.html lying around if you wanna see the difference between 3 triggers. Will sell super cheap if you want it ;-)
ALG was another that I have considered. Both the QMS and ACT.
I might take you up on that. Maybe for the thank you BBQ though.
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Can you throw in about 100 rounds into the rifle bag too? That should give me a good feel for the trigger. ;D
I wanted to stick with a single stage trigger, but that one also caught my eye. And the sale is still running. . .
I was actually thinking of testing out the AK in that class too. So much stuff to try out, so little range time. :(
My spare ACT is single stage, 5.5 lbs like most stock triggers but a little smoother.
Running and gunning/close-mid range there's no real difference for me going from 1 stage to 2 stage triggers. 2 stage shines a little brighter when making distance or precision shots with a 2 lbs second stage.
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My spare ACT is single stage, 5.5 lbs like most stock triggers but a little smoother.
Running and gunning/close-mid range there's no real difference for me going from 1 stage to 2 stage triggers. 2 stage shines a little brighter when making distance or precision shots with a 2 lbs second stage.
I've shot some two stage triggers here and there, but just never shot them that much. I've shot some nice two stage triggers on bolt guns and damn can some of those second stage be unreal crisp.
My interest in a single stage was more along the lines of that I'm so used to single stage USGI triggers, so similar in transition and a little bit more apples to apples. Not really anything against the two stage.
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I've shot some two stage triggers here and there, but just never shot them that much. I've shot some nice two stage triggers on bolt guns and damn can some of those second stage be unreal crisp.
My interest in a single stage was more along the lines of that I'm so used to single stage USGI triggers, so similar in transition and a little bit more apples to apples. Not really anything against the two stage.
Even more reason to try it out! lolol. Well the offer is open, and if you wanna pick up the ALG-ACT let me know.
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I have the SSA trigger. To me a trigger is a trigger and the only main diff would be the weight. It's the indian, not the arrow.
But I've heard that Geiselle are "harder hitting" triggers and will set anything off. Some other triggers may have issues with certain ammo.
I just bought it because of the black Friday sale (30% off). They also aren't drop in's, so if that's a concern then another brand like ELF would be easier to install.
For personal XP, I got the SSA and the wife has a ELF comp trigger. Of the 2, her trigger had light primer strikes right off the bat. ELF made it right by sending me a new one no questions asked. Even spoke to the owner of ELF and he gave me his direct line. He even sent me the newer model of the comp trigger. But I do see the difference when separating the upper and lower that the "harder hitting" Geiselle trigger.
No issues what so ever with Geiselle. Could have just been a dud for the ELF.
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Imagine a sheet of glass as thin as a sheet of paper, then striking it with a hammer. That’s what the second stage feels like. It’s there one second and then not the next. Poof. Gone. The take up is smooth and buttery - the exact opposite of a new milspec trigger.
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Imagine a sheet of glass as thin as a sheet of paper, then striking it with a hammer. That’s what the second stage feels like. It’s there one second and then not the next. Poof. Gone. The take up is smooth and buttery - the exact opposite of a new milspec trigger.
Smooth and buttery huh? ;D
Would you want the trigger you just described on a rifle you intended to use for defensive purposes? I'm not saying you wouldn't and to be frank, I dunno either way. Kind of why I have been wanting to try one.
I've shot some bolt guns where it had a trigger pretty close to what you describe. Some were so crisp, that I was almost afraid to find the wall after the first stage. Well, one of them had like a 1 lb trigger that even the owner said was "touchy". Haha.
I'm sure they are excellent triggers. But I'm also afraid that once I try one in one gun, then I'm gonna want them in other guns. . .
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Smooth and buttery huh? ;D
Would you want the trigger you just described on a rifle you intended to use for defensive purposes? I'm not saying you wouldn't and to be frank, I dunno either way. Kind of why I have been wanting to try one.
I've shot some bolt guns where it had a trigger pretty close to what you describe. Some were so crisp, that I was almost afraid to find the wall after the first stage. Well, one of them had like a 1 lb trigger that even the owner said was "touchy". Haha.
I'm sure they are excellent triggers. But I'm also afraid that once I try one in one gun, then I'm gonna want them in other guns. . .
That right there is the truth lol. When I got my Tavor it wasn't long before I replaced the trigger pack with the Geissele super Sabra. Now I need to put one in every rifle I buy....
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Smooth and buttery huh? ;D
Would you want the trigger you just described on a rifle you intended to use for defensive purposes? I'm not saying you wouldn't and to be frank, I dunno either way. Kind of why I have been wanting to try one.
I've shot some bolt guns where it had a trigger pretty close to what you describe. Some were so crisp, that I was almost afraid to find the wall after the first stage. Well, one of them had like a 1 lb trigger that even the owner said was "touchy". Haha.
I'm sure they are excellent triggers. But I'm also afraid that once I try one in one gun, then I'm gonna want them in other guns. . .
Remember it's how you articulate why you installed a "smooth and buttery" trigger. Same goes with light, night sites, etc...
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That right there is the truth lol. When I got my Tavor it wasn't long before I replaced the trigger pack with the Geissele super Sabra. Now I need to put one in every rifle I buy....
It starts with something small and then tends to snowball. The AK project for example. I just wanted a red dot on there. I already had a spare dot, but the mount on the receiver was too high. Enter acquiring a stamped AK in a good deal. Many $$$ later, it has a red dot. And then some...
Remember it's how you articulate why you installed a "smooth and buttery" trigger. Same goes with light, night sites, etc...
Curiosity. . .
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Bill Geiselle started with the "National Match" AR 2 stage trigger. It was as good as the much sought after unicorn of a trigger - the Krieger-Milazzo trigger. Defined 1st and 2nd stages. There is a wall then a crisp break with no creep.
The trigger shoe was also moved forward on the NM trigger - about an 1/8". I like it. Earned a few leg points with them. I had almost 10,000 round rimfire and centerfire through one and then it broke. Geiselle sent me a new one and some swag - no charge.
I tried almost all the triggers on the market with the exception of the MK trigger and none can compare. The best trigger I had next to the Geiselle was an RRA trigger tuned by John Holliger of White Oak. That trigger didn't break nor had any malfunctions.
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Bill Geiselle started with the "National Match" AR 2 stage trigger. It was as good as the much sought after unicorn of a trigger - the Krieger-Milazzo trigger. Defined 1st and 2nd stages. There is a wall then a crisp break with no creep.
The trigger shoe was also moved forward on the NM trigger - about an 1/8". I like it. Earned a few leg points with them. I had almost 10,000 round rimfire and centerfire through one and then it broke. Geiselle sent me a new one and some swag - no charge.
I tried almost all the triggers on the market with the exception of the MK trigger and none can compare. The best trigger I had next to the Geiselle was an RRA trigger tuned by John Holliger of White Oak. That trigger didn't break nor had any malfunctions.
I've heard good things about the RRA 2 stage triggers too.
Some of my wondering about Geissele is how much of it is marketing hype and now that they are a known brand name. As in how many folks get Geissele triggers and other products as some sort of status symbol as opposed to performance benefits. The "they are known for elite level equipment, so I have to have it on my gun" kind of thinking. I mean I have a Rolex, but my G-Shock tells time just as well and is what I wear 95% of the time.
From what I can tell, they are an excellent company with a reputation for producing quality products as well as excellent CS. I have one of their MK14 rails that is awaiting an upper to go with and one of their ambi charging handles. They have quite a loyal following, which appears to be well earned. Much of the loyalty I hear has been about Bill Geissele himself as much as the quality of the products.
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I bought my Gieselle because it was recommended by a friend. And being new, I asked him what is the 1st thing I should change to make my AR mine (different). He said trigger.
I just got the handguard because it's so much cheaper when on sale. There are others that cost less, but I like the name. And in the end I only shoot at 25 yards so all these things increase performance slightly. Many have BCM and such handguards. Not many have Geiselle. So this one was a personal preference. Oh and the handguard came with the gas tube, gas block, barrel nut, and tool. Where as others don't come with the gas block/tube. So it made it easier.
If you wanna try the SSA dual stage trigger LMK. But in the end, like I mentioned above, it's the Indian, not the arrow.
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Forgot to mention a faster lock time. The hammer has less mass and a heavier spring.
Best thing to improve accuracy on an AR is to float the barrel.
The trigger is for the Indian.
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I've heard good things about the RRA 2 stage triggers too.
Some of my wondering about Geissele is how much of it is marketing hype and now that they are a known brand name. As in how many folks get Geissele triggers and other products as some sort of status symbol as opposed to performance benefits. The "they are known for elite level equipment, so I have to have it on my gun" kind of thinking. I mean I have a Rolex, but my G-Shock tells time just as well and is what I wear 95% of the time.
From what I can tell, they are an excellent company with a reputation for producing quality products as well as excellent CS. I have one of their MK14 rails that is awaiting an upper to go with and one of their ambi charging handles. They have quite a loyal following, which appears to be well earned. Much of the loyalty I hear has been about Bill Geissele himself as much as the quality of the products.
Bill G. is a highpower shooter and before his trigger came along the only good trigger in the market was the RRA 2 stage, preferably tuned by John Holliger. The MK trigger was considered the best and the only ones I knew that had them were the military teams. The Jewell was funky with all these gears and springs and couldnt hold weight (in service rile matches the min. trigger weight was 4.5 lbs).
So like other engineers who were shooters he designed a trigger. His trigger was well received by the HP community and his company and products took off. HP shooters are less gimmicky. They only use stuff that works. I also use his "NM" mount as it is the only mount that can put a scope low and forward enough for HP position shooting: standing, sitting and prone.
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All of my ARs have free float hand guards. But kind of just happened that way as opposed to chasing the accuracy benefit. I’ve shot ARs without free float hand guards and I’ve noticed a POI shift a/ close as 50 yards with varying pressure on the hand guard on a rest. I’m sure it’s noticeable for the service rifle folks with slings.
For training classes, I’m sure I’d be just fine with a non free float hand guard. Though the fun challenges like walk back where you need a first shot hit of you’re out would be more interesting.
For triggers, I’m not really chasing a performance benefit. Just wondering what the deal is. I really don’t know, so I’d like to try. I’m sure their triggers can help performance, but I’m more just wanting to try. Even things like the straight trigger vs standard curved/bow. If the trigger staging, break, etc do help my shooting, then will be good first hand info. But not like I feel it’s a need.
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Bill G. is a highpower shooter and before his trigger came along the only good trigger in the market was the RRA 2 stage, preferably tuned by John Holliger. The MK trigger was considered the best and the only ones I knew that had them were the military teams. The Jewell was funky with all these gears and springs and couldnt hold weight (in service rile matches the min. trigger weight was 4.5 lbs).
So like other engineers who were shooters he designed a trigger. His trigger was well received by the HP community and his company and products took off. HP shooters are less gimmicky. They only use stuff that works. I also use his "NM" mount as it is the only mount that can put a scope low and forward enough for HP position shooting: standing, sitting and prone.
I’ve heard of Jewell and Timney when I was looking at options for my 700. The Timney seemed like a popular and relatively inexpensive option. Never really considered them for any of my ARs.
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Anyone is free to try out G triggers whenever I'm at Kokohead. I have the "NM" and G2S on my carbine.
I found a comparable and cheaper trigger that may rival the G2S - the Larue MBT. The feature I like is the wider trigger shoe. It feels like a G2S perhaps a bit crisper break.
Another distinction is that while G triggers are investment cast, the Larue is machined from tool steel. I posted pics of my G trigger that broke at around 10,000 rounds awhile ago.
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I'm curious what the weight is on your existing triggers are? Personally I think 2# is too lite and 5# is too heavy except for self defense.
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Anyone is free to try out G triggers whenever I'm at Kokohead. I have the "NM" and G2S on my carbine.
I found a comparable and cheaper trigger that may rival the G2S - the Larue MBT. The feature I like is the wider trigger shoe. It feels like a G2S perhaps a bit crisper break.
Another distinction is that while G triggers are investment cast, the Larue is machined from tool steel. I posted pics of my G trigger that broke at around 10,000 rounds awhile ago.
Yeah. I recall that thread. A company’s CS is big for me and a quick way to make me a loyal customer or swear a company off.
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I'm curious what the weight is on your existing triggers are? Personally I think 2# is too lite and 5# is too heavy except for self defense.
No idea. Whatever USGI triggers are. I’m guessing in the 5-7 lb range for all of my various ARs.
If I was going for precision only, like for my 700, I wanted something in the 2-3 lb range. I’ve shot triggers in the 1-1.5 lb range and I swear just making contact with the trigger was enough to break them.
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Stock should be 5.5 lbs.
ALG ACT is 5.5 lbs
The 2 stage Geissele has a 2.5 lbs 1st stage and 2 lbs 2nd stage.
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I'm considering a trigger for a rem 700. The xmark trigger sucks and it doesnt adjust below 4lbs on mine. The old rem triggers were great and I could adjust them to how I like it.
Looking at geiselle or a timney.
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I'm considering a trigger for a rem 700. The xmark trigger sucks and it doesnt adjust below 4lbs on mine. The old rem triggers were great and I could adjust them to how I like it.
Looking at geiselle or a timney.
My 700 still has the recall trigger. :(
I was looking at Timney as a quick and in expensive replacement. Though the Geissele Super 700 trigger sounds tempting. I was also looking at Jewell and Calvin.
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https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-mbt-2s-trigger/
Never tried a larue trigger, but it's a 2.5 lbs first stage and 2 lbs second stage
I have the ACT trigger and a Tom's tactical polished nickel plated trigger which is essentially what the ACT is but cost only $35. I can't tell the difference between the 2. PSA has their version of this trigger that often goes on sale for $30
I'm thinking of trying that larue one for my next build. I got parts lying around, just don't know what to build yet
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https://www.larue.com/products/larue-tactical-mbt-2s-trigger/
Never tried a larue trigger, but it's a 2.5 lbs first stage and 2 lbs second stage
I have the ACT trigger and a Tom's tactical polished nickel plated trigger which is essentially what the ACT is but cost only $35. I can't tell the difference between the 2. PSA has their version of this trigger that often goes on sale for $30
I'm thinking of trying that larue one for my next build. I got parts lying around, just don't know what to build yet
“The result of this extra effort is a glass-smooth, hyper-consistent trigger that will satisfy even the most scrupulous competition shooter, but also be overly rugged for the battlefield.”
At $87, I might be tempted to give it a try. If you try it, let me know. :thumbsup:
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Well, couldn't resist the continued Geissele sale and ordered the SSA. Might not be here for a couple of weeks due to their high volume of their 4th of July sale. When I ordered the MK14 rail on their last sale, it took almost 2 weeks.
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It took my scope mount and ACH a full month to get here from the Memorial Day sale. And the transit time was only a week.
I’m kind of a diva and like to have the best of everything. It’s counter to what a lot of people think, but I’d much rather hold the gun back than the other way around. Every AR I have has a G trigger in it. I started with the classic SSA and then moved to the flat bow. My wife’s gun/HD gun has the SD-C and mine has the SD-E. She won’t be there on Saturday so you can use her lower and try out the SD-C if you want. I’m curious about the SSP but I like the SD-C/E so much I’m not sure what it’ll bring to the table. It’s nice to have the two stage when I want it, but they’re such good triggers that they feel like single stage when I’m not looking for it.
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It took my scope mount and ACH a full month to get here from the Memorial Day sale. And the transit time was only a week.
I’m kind of a diva and like to have the best of everything. It’s counter to what a lot of people think, but I’d much rather hold the gun back than the other way around. Every AR I have has a G trigger in it. I started with the classic SSA and then moved to the flat bow. My wife’s gun/HD gun has the SD-C and mine has the SD-E. She won’t be there on Saturday so you can use her lower and try out the SD-C if you want. I’m curious about the SSP but I like the SD-C/E so much I’m not sure what it’ll bring to the table. It’s nice to have the two stage when I want it, but they’re such good triggers that they feel like single stage when I’m not looking for it.
I ordered the rail in their Memorial Day sale too and it actually shipped a little over two weeks to ship. I thought it was quicker.
I actually ordered the ACH a couple days before I found out about the Geissele sale. :facepalm: I should’ve known they’d have a sale. I saw the ACH was out on a bunch of other sites, so I figured just order while they had it in stock.
Cool. Yeah, looking forward to Sat. Will have my Colt with the AFAB back on and also will shoot my AK project some. I was thinking of the SD-C, but maybe for another gun after I try the SSA some.
I was initially interested in the SSP being a single stage, but decided to go with the SSA after more research and some videos of Bill Geissele talking about the two stage forgiveness factor for the SSA and their other combat triggers.
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Sharing an excellent video on Geissele and ALG Defense triggers. Wish I watched this before starting reading up on the triggers. It's a little long (33:09), but worth some time if you're interested in investing in one of these triggers. Before starting my research, I was mostly interested in the SSP. Through more reading (forums and the Geissele website), I narrowed it down to the SSA and SD-C, at least for what I want them for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypb5HXdDJhc
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This is a pretty good video showing the operation of the single stage trigger and the two stages of the Geissele SD trigger. Pretty interesting seeing this perspective as you can't see all of that when the trigger is installed. I could also better envision the points Bill Geissele was making on the installation video and places to apply lube or grease.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4MA5OqTsWU
Also learned more about lock time and potential effects on accuracy. As well as stuff like trigger spring degradation. All very interesting stuff that I had never really looked into before since I had "stuck" with USGI triggers.
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That's what all that clicking sounds are in my lower.
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Might as well add my 2 cents. Although you already made up your mind.
I own 2 larue mbt. Love them at 100 bucks each. (Now its on sale for cheaper) damnit. But atleast i got the plastic cutaway chassis . It was a bundle back in the day.
Had geissele tricon (sold it. Great trigger but bought 2 alg qms triggers to go back to basics)
Have a g2s trigger still. Great trigger. No need to use those weird c clip things. I use kns pins instead. All same shit. Tbh.
2 stage is awesome. Im sure you guys shoot more than me. If you know your breaking point then hold it right before 2nd stage. Quick shot. I played around with that couple years ago.
The qms is obviously the cheaper version of act. And i loved how smooth it was vs my rra stock usgi trigger. I could tell the diff.
Be careful of NM trigger from rra. I believe they use larger pins. So i heard people complaining that they enlarged their holes on their lowers. Idk if it was a certain run or not but i was looking into a NM trigger for my former rra.
Like the indian and arrows. Its all muscle memory. The benefit of a usgi trigger is that your use to it. If shtf and you "found" a bone stock rifle somewhere. Your use to every aspect of that trigger/ rifle. Whereas someone with a 2 stage blah crap ambi rifle is so spoiled that a stock rifle dont have all the features. So they may struggle and forgot a charging handle had only 1 latch before or they have to use their left hand for bolt release. Kinda like my glocks. All stock!
That is all. X)
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Like the indian and arrows. Its all muscle memory. The benefit of a usgi trigger is that your use to it. If shtf and you "found" a bone stock rifle somewhere. Your use to every aspect of that trigger/ rifle. Whereas someone with a 2 stage blah crap ambi rifle is so spoiled that a stock rifle dont have all the features. So they may struggle and forgot a charging handle had only 1 latch before or they have to use their left hand for bolt release. Kinda like my glocks. All stock!
That is all. X)
For my AR and Glock, I have pretty much stayed with the stock triggers for the most part. I only modified my Glock 34 trigger, but that gun is purely for competition. I generally try to learn and get proficient with the stock features of guns before trying other things. That said, if there are products that offer a performance benefit, I'm all for them. That said, I try to be aware of if they are sort of letting me get lax on technique, like with muzzle devices for my ARs.
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Tried the Geissele SD-C on Mrs. Wake's gun and it was pretty sweet! I tried the gun on a course of fire where we were doing multiple shots on various targets, so it was a nice "test run" for the trigger. The break was crisp and didn't feel like it was too light, as in venturing into being unsafe for defensive shooting, which was something I was concerned about going to 2-stage triggers. While I am not sure if the trigger allowed me to shoot faster than with a USGI trigger, but something I'd like to test in the future. See if there is a difference on split times.
I'm really looking forward to when my SSA comes in and shooting from a bench, where I hopefully can focus more on the trigger break itself.
When we were doing the walk back drill shooting on steel, I remember thinking I wish I had the Geissele trigger in there. It was one of the first times I really started noticing the slight gritty feeling of the Colt USGI trigger. I hadn't really noticed it before. I had heard of that as a common observation or complaint about USGI triggers, but I guess that was all I knew.
Overall, I do envision eventually trying the SD-C in another AR.
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Good job bro. I mever had the chamce to try sd-c trigger. So i have no idea lol.
One thing to note. That i think everyone overlooked was being a self defense gun. Cops will still take it away. And there goes a nice 2 stage trigger. (This only applies if you do use your ar. I got other toys for SD.) Im pretty efficient in knife throwing :) and among other things.
Im mo legal expert but i see that happening. Pretty sure there been cases where modified glock triggers were the turning point of a case. Haha. Not in hawaii though. Pretty sure i read it in newsletters from various websites.
But yeah bro let us know bout your new trigger.
Good day!
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Good job bro. I mever had the chamce to try sd-c trigger. So i have no idea lol.
One thing to note. That i think everyone overlooked was being a self defense gun. Cops will still take it away. And there goes a nice 2 stage trigger. (This only applies if you do use your ar. I got other toys for SD.) Im pretty efficient in knife throwing :) and among other things.
Im mo legal expert but i see that happening. Pretty sure there been cases where modified glock triggers were the turning point of a case. Haha. Not in hawaii though. Pretty sure i read it in newsletters from various websites.
But yeah bro let us know bout your new trigger.
Good day!
I hear ya. I have heard many folks express your concern and it seems to come up often about potentially having a high dollar gun seized. Like a really nice 1911, SBR, etc. If I were to need my AR or any other firearm to defend myself or loved one, that the cops will seize the firearm isn't really high on my considerations. Yeah, it will certainly hurt to have the gun seized, but use to defend myself or loved ones is why I have them.
As for trigger modifications being a potential liability, that was one of the biggest reasons why I tended to stick to stock triggers for my main defense guns, like my Glock 17s. Who knows what a prosecutor could try, but in speaking with one of my best friends, who is a former prosecutor, his opinion is that as long as the firearm and any accessory is legal, it shouldn't count against you. Could something like a super hair trigger be argued that it made the gun less safe? I can surely see that. That said, the stated purpose of the SSA (and SD-C) is for LE and home defense as well as designed to be more forgiving (safer) for use in combat, while "allowing precise and accurate trigger control". While better performance is the reason for trying the upgrade, it was designed with safety in mind. Those aspects of the SSA trigger is what sold me on trying it.
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Geissele may produce some great products, but holy hell are they slow.
I ordered the ambi CH on 2 July and it shipped today. I mean there was a warning on the 4th of July sale that shipping might take a while due to the sale, but I ordered before all that. I ordered my SSA I think on 7 July, I guess I'll get it in early August.
I guess I'll keep an eye out for sales on other sites. Like Brownells and Optics Planet. Brownells had a sale on the SD-C around the same time and around the same price, but figured better to get direct from Geissele. Guess not. I've heard of folks calling them to complain and then the item is shipped out next day express with no charge.
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My order for the SSA finally shipped yesterday. Almost a month after the order. While the sale was good, if I end up getting another Geissele product, I think I'll look for sales on one of their distributors. Their rail took about 2 weeks to ship after the Memorial Day sale. I mean they warned about delays in the 4th of July sale, but dayum.
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My order for the SSA finally shipped yesterday. Almost a month after the order. While the sale was good, if I end up getting another Geissele product, I think I'll look for sales on one of their distributors. Their rail took about 2 weeks to ship after the Memorial Day sale. I mean they warned about delays in the 4th of July sale, but dayum.
Sorry to hear that. When I ordered on Black Friday and 4th of July, I received both products within 10 days.
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Sorry to hear that. When I ordered on Black Friday and 4th of July, I received both products within 10 days.
I think they had a warning on the site about possible shipping delays when ordering, so I was somewhat prepared. I think it may have said something like up to 6 weeks (or it may have been 4). They had that on the site when I ordered a rail from them in the Memorial Day sale and it shipped in 2 weeks. I bought the rail because it was on sale and for a future gun, so no timeline. Whereas I had hoped to have both the CH and trigger for a class. That class and another range day came and went. I understand that they are slammed, but I've also heard feedback about folks emailing them and giving them a line about "I knew about the potential shipping delay, but I really need the trigger for (X reason)" and that Geissele responded by getting it out via expedited shipping. My first impression was that was great CS, but then what about all the others who aren't whining. I guess I'm whining as well. . .
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Emailed Geissele to express frustration in the delay in shipping on the item that was ordered prior to their 4th of July sale. I was pretty much just venting. Anyways, received an email response pretty quickly apologizing for the delay in shipping and offered a credit for 20% off for the item that was ordered prior to the 4th of July sale. :thumbsup:
Just something that I'll be aware of in future. I'll likely wait until I see another sale to order the SD-C, and hopefully that will be on Brownells, Primary Arms, or another distributor.
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The Geissele SSA arrived yesterday, but won't be able to install or shoot for a while since I'll be going out of town. . .
Still on the lookout for a sale on the SD-C, and haven't even installed the SSA yet. It's a sickness I tell ya. . .
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The Geissele SSA arrived yesterday, but won't be able to install or shoot for a while since I'll be going out of town. . .
Still on the lookout for a sale on the SD-C, and haven't even installed the SSA yet. It's a sickness I tell ya. . .
Ain't that a bitch. Trigger takes long, so you call and they rush it. Still can't install or shoot it. Damn Murphy.
I installed my wifes ELF drop in. And compared to the Geisselle, the drop in was way easier. Since the Geissele comes in 2 parts and is under spring tension, I wore eyepro.
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Ain't that a bitch. Trigger takes long, so you call and they rush it. Still can't install or shoot it. Damn Murphy.
I installed my wifes ELF drop in. And compared to the Geisselle, the drop in was way easier. Since the Geissele comes in 2 parts and is under spring tension, I wore eyepro.
The trigger was shipped standard. I emailed them after the trigger had shipped. I had hoped the trigger would have been here for my last range day, but since they missed that, will probably be another 2-3 weeks until I will be able shoot rifles again. But yeah, now I'm itching to try this new trigger.
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Finally installed the SSA in my Colt and was able to shoot it this weekend in a training session where max target distance was maybe 25 yards. Probably not the best environment to test differences between the SSA and the Colt USGI trigger, but I decided to give it a go. Will definitely need more time with the Geissele. The Colt USGI trigger that it replaced was actually quite good, or at least much crisper than my other USGI triggers. I have an AR project in the works right now that is awaiting an LPVO and I think I will try the SD-C on that one.
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His wifes company makes more milspec type trigers ALG. And they're way cheaper than the SSA's.
Their handguards are ugly though.
I've noticed after shooting other peoples AR's that when shooting rapid fire under some stress (running), I couldn't tell the diff between a milspec and the SSA.
But for pistol, there is a huge diff. The Apex trigger on my wifes M&P9C just goes off after shooting the VP9 for a while.
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His wifes company makes more milspec type trigers ALG. And they're way cheaper than the SSA's.
Their handguards are ugly though.
I've noticed after shooting other peoples AR's that when shooting rapid fire under some stress (running), I couldn't tell the diff between a milspec and the SSA.
But for pistol, there is a huge diff. The Apex trigger on my wifes M&P9C just goes off after shooting the VP9 for a while.
I tried the ALG QMS. Though apples and oranges between the SSA/SD-C (two stage) and ALG lines.
Never really looked at the ALG handguards, but they seem very utilitarian and less fluff. The Geissele rails come with all sorts of stuff. I didn't end up using their "bomb proof" gas block that came with it. A $50 part.
For the courses of fire that I shot with the SSA last weekend, yeah, nothing really jumped out at me glaringly different while shooting. I am looking forward to trying out another SSA and an SD-C on a couple of new builds, especially the one paired with the LPVO. I did notice that the reset is quite different between the SSA and Colt USGI. Not good or bad. Just different.
I almost ordered another SD-C in a Memorial Day sale as well as their Rem 700 trigger. I held off as I'll be super busy for work and going out of town. By the time things calm down, will be just in time for the 4th of July sales. ;D
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Haven't updated in a while. Anyways, I now currently have the SSA in a Colt with EoTech EXPS and the SD-C in a BCM with the LPVO. Will be shooting the BCM in a carbine course this coming weekend and will be a good test for that. Shooting from the bench, didn't really notice flat face of the SD-C. I went a little nuts lately and have another SSA and SD-C waiting to go into another Colt with CompM5. Will see how the carbine course this weekend goes and see which one gets installed.
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Haven't updated in a while. Anyways, I now currently have the SSA in a Colt with EoTech EXPS and the SD-C in a BCM with the LPVO. Will be shooting the BCM in a carbine course this coming weekend and will be a good test for that. Shooting from the bench, didn't really notice flat face of the SD-C. I went a little nuts lately and have another SSA and SD-C waiting to go into another Colt with CompM5. Will see how the carbine course this weekend goes and see which one gets installed.
Who is teaching these courses? I might be interested in the future.
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Who is teaching these courses? I might be interested in the future.
Bring the tennis raquette.
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Maybe it's just me but i've noticed that only when I'm shooting from a bench or testing a trigger, can I tell the difference. When doing a class, I'm moving to much and the blood is pumping so can't tell diff between Geiselle and milspec.
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After using the SD-C over the weekend, my "spare" SD-C will be going into my Aimpoint setup. I can't say I noticed a real big difference between the SSA and the SD-C, but it's what I like so far and have seen some excellent results with the LPVO.
Can I tell a difference between the USGI and the SSA and SD-C? Definitely. I had spent a lot of time learning with the USGI trigger and am happy that I've ventured into the Geissele triggers.