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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: 6716J on July 25, 2018, 01:07:18 PM

Title: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: 6716J on July 25, 2018, 01:07:18 PM
Amnesty program so make sure you go turn in all of your illegal devices now. It's the law and all...

http://www.honolulupd.org/news/index.php?page=main&story=2669&select=1

Amnesty Program for Trigger Modification Devices


As of July 9, 2018, Hawaii state law prohibits the manufacture, importation, sale, transfer and possession of trigger modification devices. This includes bump fire stocks, multi-burst trigger activators, trigger cranks and other devices designed or function to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm.

Under an amnesty program, owners have 30 days or until August 8, 2018, to turn in the devices to the police. Owners may take the devices to the nearest police station or call 911 to have them picked up by an officer.

Devices may be turned in at the following HPD locations:

Alapai Police Headquarters
801 South Beretania Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
(808)529-3111

Chinatown Substation
79 North Hotel Street
Honolulu, HI 96813
(808)723-3310

Wahiawa Police Station
330 North Cane Street
Wahiawa, HI 96786
(808)723-8700

Pearl City Police Station
1100 Waimano Home Road
Pearl City, HI 96782
(808)723-8800

Kaneohe Police Station
45-270 Waikalua Road
Kaneohe, HI 96744
(808)723-8640

Kailua Substation
219 Kuulei Road
Kailua, HI 96744
(808)723-8838

Kahuku Substation
56-470 Kamehameha Highway
Kahuku, HI 96731
(808)723-8650

Kalihi Police Station
1865 Kamehameha IV Road
Honolulu, HI 96819
(808)723-8207

Waikiki Substation
2425 Kalakaua Avenue
Honolulu, Hi. 96815
(808)723-8566

Kapolei Police Station
1100 Kamokila Boulevard
Kapolei, HI 96707
(808)723-8400

Waianae Substation
85-939 Farrington Highway
Waianae, HI 96792
(808)723-8600

Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: ren on July 25, 2018, 01:39:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7SRSE8o.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
and other devices designed or function to accelerate the rate of fire of a semiautomatic firearm.



This phrase popped up in the news paper also.  But the law signed has no mention of it.  We fought to remove this portion because then even a diff BCG or trigger could be illegal.

Sneaky HPD adding that in so people turn in their lighter triggers.

For the entire nation, less than 8 bump stocks have been turned in as a total for all the counties making them illegal.
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: All_rice on July 25, 2018, 03:09:56 PM
We should go turn in rubber bands, belt loops, etc.
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: z06psi on July 25, 2018, 05:13:15 PM
Just ordered another Fostech Echo.
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: 6716J on July 25, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
We should go turn in rubber bands, belt loops, etc.
That would be fun to go into HPD with trash bags full of rubber bands. The looks you'd get... 🤯

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Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: changemyoil66 on July 25, 2018, 05:27:52 PM
Or any object that can do it. Broom stick, belt loops (removed from pants), somebody show your index finger. And video.

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Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: rpoL98 on July 25, 2018, 10:34:29 PM
nvm
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: All_rice on July 27, 2018, 04:58:08 PM
Or any object that can do it. Broom stick, belt loops (removed from pants), somebody show your index finger. And video.

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That would be fun to go into HPD with trash bags full of rubber bands. The looks you'd get... 🤯

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Get he news for involved.  "Thousands show up to turn in ........."  Actually here on Oahu would only be about 5 people
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: z06psi on July 27, 2018, 05:08:49 PM
rub some more salt into the wound, why don't you.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: z06psi on July 27, 2018, 05:09:25 PM
rub some more salt into the wound, why don't you.

Going shooting tomorrow on my own property as well.





Freedom is priceless.



PS.  Ordered a AR9 7.5 pistol as well to go with that trigger.  80% so it was shipped directly to the house and zero registration or FFL.
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: 6716J on July 28, 2018, 09:15:05 AM
Going shooting tomorrow on my own property as well.





Freedom is priceless.



PS.  Ordered a AR9 7.5 pistol as well to go with that trigger.  80% so it was shipped directly to the house and zero registration or FFL.
Just so you know.... We hate you

LOL enjoy that freedom!!!!

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Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: 2ahavvaii on July 28, 2018, 02:47:20 PM
it would be funny if someone showed up to hpd with a truckbed full of trash.  i'd hesitate to say you can use anything to accelerate the rate of fire, but you can jury rig almost anything...

This guy is bump firing a glock with a scrap piece of wood.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3y2Cp0pKwA
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: z06psi on July 28, 2018, 04:02:42 PM
Just so you know.... We hate you

LOL enjoy that freedom!!!!

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 :rofl:
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: Gordyf on July 28, 2018, 06:15:47 PM
I'll bet there is not bump stock one turned in, or any of the other stuff, and.... I'll bet it never makes the News.
Aloha
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: michaelkih on July 29, 2018, 11:21:10 PM
I'll bet there is not bump stock one turned in, or any of the other stuff, and.... I'll bet it never makes the News.
Aloha

I agree.  No one is going to turn them in.  At some point gun owners have to start saying "no".  It's ridiculous here.
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: punaperson on October 01, 2018, 10:12:07 AM
According to my latest mail response from the Hawaii County Office of the Corporation Counsel, a Deputy Corporation Counsel claims that not one single "multi-burst trigger activator" has been either voluntarily turned in OR confiscated in all of Hawaii county. So that would mean, assuming that at least one such device exists in Hawaii county, that the current compliance rate is 0.00%.

I hope some of you in other counties can elicit the same information in your counties and inform us here.

As a side note, yesterday at a steel challenge match, one guy who had just installed a 2.5 pound trigger on his .22LR rifle inadvertently ran off a few bumpfire sequences (even with the extremely low recoil of a .22LR). But it is not illegal to bumpfire, or even bumpfire using ordinary devices like rubber bands, string, sticks, boards, pipes, belt loops, etc., at least in Hawaii county according to the Deputy Corporation Counsel who replied to my inquiry. Bump away my friends!

Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: rpoL98 on January 28, 2019, 12:35:52 PM
I'll bet there is not bump stock one turned in, or any of the other stuff, and.... I'll bet it never makes the News.
Aloha
so does anybody know, statewide, or at least C&C Honolulu, how many bumpstocks were actually turned in?  or "multi-burst trigger activators"?

I'm guessing zero, but who knows, there's always that village idiot...
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: rklapp on January 28, 2019, 12:48:06 PM
so does anybody know, statewide, or at least C&C Honolulu, how many bumpstocks were actually turned in?  or "multi-burst trigger activators"?

I'm guessing zero, but who knows, there's always that village idiot...
Didn’t three people turn in their firearms after Ballard mailed that letter to all with medical marijuana cards and firearm registration. I wonder how difficult it was for them to get their stuff back?
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: changemyoil66 on January 28, 2019, 01:33:44 PM
Didn’t three people turn in their firearms after Ballard mailed that letter to all with medical marijuana cards and firearm registration. I wonder how difficult it was for them to get their stuff back?

2 turned them in and they were returned.  I just made  a post that someone answered today.
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: zippz on January 28, 2019, 02:27:04 PM
it would be funny if someone showed up to hpd with a truckbed full of trash.  i'd hesitate to say you can use anything to accelerate the rate of fire, but you can jury rig almost anything...

This guy is bump firing a glock with a scrap piece of wood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3y2Cp0pKwA

This gives me an idea for an event.  50 people lined up to turn crap.into to hpd.
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: punaperson on January 28, 2019, 02:35:00 PM

Quote from: 2ahavvaii on July 28, 2018, 02:47:20 PM
it would be funny if someone showed up to hpd with a truckbed full of trash.  i'd hesitate to say you can use anything to accelerate the rate of fire, but you can jury rig almost anything...

This gives me an idea for an event.  50 people lined up to turn crap.into to hpd.
I actually included a photo of a pile of pruned waiwi and bamboo cuttings in my testimonies to the legislature and asked if they would be coming to collect those (I also included photos of string and rubber bands, etc.), since there are probably about 10,000 of those on my property that could be used to facilitate bump-firing.

After the bill passed and went into law I sent the same photo to Hawaii County PD and asked them if they wanted me to turn them in or if they wanted to come and get them... suggested a large bed pick-up and wheel barrow as there are piles of them all over my four acres only accessible by narrow footpaths. They never got back to me on that one...

(https://i.imgur.com/k8FQneA.png)
Title: Re: Trigger Modifications Amnesty Program- i.e. Bumpstocks, handcranks, etc.
Post by: punaperson on January 28, 2019, 03:03:54 PM
so does anybody know, statewide, or at least C&C Honolulu, how many bumpstocks were actually turned in?  or "multi-burst trigger activators"?

I'm guessing zero, but who knows, there's always that village idiot...
I filed UIPA requests with each county police department on the six month anniversary of the law going into effect, January 9, 2019. I asked how many of each kind of device had been turned in and/or confiscated during the 30 day amnesty period and during the succeeding months. I also asked by what means they publicized the law to the people of their county. I also asked for any documentation of any discussions or meetings about exactly which items that can be used to facilitate "bump-firing" would be considered illegal i.e. only manufactured items, or rubber bands, boards, pipe, string, pants belt loops, etc.). I got one response yesterday. I just got two responses today, almost a week overdue the initial 10 working day limit to respond, and only after I sent them re-requests after the deadline had past last Tuesday. They literally arrived less than an hour ago and I haven't had time to read them yet. Only Kauai PD responded within the allotted 10 day time frame, and they responded within 36 hours. Kauai PD received ZERO of the three categories of banned items during the amnesty and the following 5 months. The most interesting thing about the response from Kauai PD was that they (Assistant Chief) claimed to never have heard about any "amnesty period", even though at the press conference with the governor signing the bill chief Ballard announced that "all the county police chiefs have agreed to an amnesty" for 30 days. So if you had showed up at the Kauai PD to turn in your bumpstock, etc.during that 30 day amnesty period they might have said "Thank you very much. You're under arrest." Maybe somebody in the department knew about the amnesty and would have short-circuited the booking.

When I have time this evening to read over the other responses I'll make a separate post.