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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: punaperson on September 14, 2018, 11:09:04 AM
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Rather than continue this as a tangent/peripheral topic on the Keapernick/Nike thread, I'm posting this article url here as a separate thread. I hope people will read it.
https://mises.org/power-market/cop-amber-guyger-one-reason-we-need-private-gun-ownership
Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
When advocates of gun confiscation complain about "guns" and say "no one needs a gun for x" all they are really saying — whether they understand it or not — is "I want only cops and soldiers to have guns."
While gun control advocates often claim to be suspicious of police power, logic dictates that the gun-confiscation position is simply the position that only government employees should have guns. Similarly, more mild gun-regulation positions are designed to increase the coercive power of government over the taxpaying citizenry, and to lessen access to private sources of self-defense — thus increasing private-sector dependence on government police for "protection." The gun-regulation position is premised on the idea that only the police can really be trusted with gun ownership.
And what a terrible position that is.
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(Another egregious case not mentioned in the above article is this one: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/20/justine-damond-shooting-police-officer-mohamed-noor-charged
But at least in that case the Somali-born officer Mohamed Noor has been charged with second degree murder. Unknown at this point what "allowances" will be made due to his being a police officer.)
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Rather than continue this as a tangent/peripheral topic on the Keapernick/Nike thread, I'm posting this article url here as a separate thread. I hope people will read it.
https://mises.org/power-market/cop-amber-guyger-one-reason-we-need-private-gun-ownership
Cop Amber Guyger Is One Reason We Need Private Gun Ownership
When advocates of gun confiscation complain about "guns" and say "no one needs a gun for x" all they are really saying — whether they understand it or not — is "I want only cops and soldiers to have guns."
While gun control advocates often claim to be suspicious of police power, logic dictates that the gun-confiscation position is simply the position that only government employees should have guns. Similarly, more mild gun-regulation positions are designed to increase the coercive power of government over the taxpaying citizenry, and to lessen access to private sources of self-defense — thus increasing private-sector dependence on government police for "protection." The gun-regulation position is premised on the idea that only the police can really be trusted with gun ownership.
And what a terrible position that is.
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(Another egregious case not mentioned in the above article is this one: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/20/justine-damond-shooting-police-officer-mohamed-noor-charged
But at least in that case the Somali-born officer Mohamed Noor has been charged with second degree murder. Unknown at this point what "allowances" will be made due to his being a police officer.)
Exactly..... :thumbsup:
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That brings up an interesting question... if a cop walked into your house and yelled at you "what are you doing in my apartment?!" and started pulling his/her gun, would you shoot at them? Would private gun ownership have change the outcome?
The cop was charged with manslaughter which seems appropriate from what I have learned about the case so far. It really is an unfortunate event all around. A man is dead who shouldn't have been dead and his family is grieving, and the shooters life is ruined over the dumb but honest mistake. I have been mulling over the question of what would be an appropriate sentence for her but it is a tough question.
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That brings up an interesting question... if a cop walked into your house and yelled at you "what are you doing in my apartment?!" and started pulling his/her gun, would you shoot at them? Would private gun ownership have change the outcome?
The cop was charged with manslaughter which seems appropriate from what I have learned about the case so far. It really is an unfortunate event all around. A man is dead who shouldn't have been dead and his family is grieving, and the shooters life is ruined over the dumb but honest mistake. I have been mulling over the question of what would be an appropriate sentence for her but it is a tough question.
Have you not been seeing the local news this year? Several home invasions in Hawaii were committed by crooks pretending to be law enforcement. I'm sure that happens everywhere. The guy who fended off 3 home invaders with an AR-15 in Oklahoma, IIRC, reported they called out "Sheriff's Office!" as they broke into the trailer.
Having said that, if someone has a gun on me, I'll comply with their commands even if they're wearing pointy ears and claiming to be Mr. Spock. If she escalated to lethal force immediately, him having a gun or not was not a factor.
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Remember, the good thing is, he always made it home safe at the end of his shift.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/15/border-patrol-agent-arrested-accused-killing-4-women-and-kidnapping-5th.html
Border Patrol agent arrested, accused of killing 4 women and kidnapping a 5th
The district attorney’s office intends to charge Ortiz with four counts of murder and one count of aggravated kidnapping.
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They both made it home safe at the end of their shift. They weren't charged with any crime. They still have their jobs. They still get to carry, even off duty. The body cam videos "will be released at some future date". I'm sure you or I would have been treated the same way with the same results had we done what the officers did, right? No special treatment, right? Equal justice under the law, right?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/14/portland-state-cops-avoid-charges-in-death-navy-vet-trying-to-break-up-fight.html
Portland State cops avoid charges in death of Navy vet trying to break up fight
The two Portland State University campus police officers who fatally shot a U.S. Navy veteran and father of three who was trying to break up a fight outside a bar in June won’t be indicted, a grand jury ruled Thursday.
Officers Shawn McKenzie and James Dewey were cleared of criminal charges in the shooting death of Jason Washington, 45, the Multnomah County District Attorney's Office said in a news release.
Washington’s widow, Michelle, said that the family was disappointed the officers wouldn’t be charged.
"We want those responsible for the death of my husband to be held accountable,” she said in a statement obtained by the Oregonian. “We will always remember and love Jason and know he was needlessly killed while attempting to keep the peace."
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Officers Shawn McKenzie and James Dewey were cleared of criminal charges in the shooting death of Jason Washington
Well, of course they were..................and contributing massively to the distrust of cops everywhere.
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Well, of course they were..................and contributing massively to the distrust of cops everywhere.
Don’t trust them nor do I have much use for a lot of them.... necessary evil I guess.....
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Have you not been seeing the local news this year? Several home invasions in Hawaii were committed by crooks pretending to be law enforcement. I'm sure that happens everywhere. The guy who fended off 3 home invaders with an AR-15 in Oklahoma, IIRC, reported they called out "Sheriff's Office!" as they broke into the trailer.
Having said that, if someone has a gun on me, I'll comply with their commands even if they're wearing pointy ears and claiming to be Mr. Spock. If she escalated to lethal force immediately, him having a gun or not was not a factor.
I agree.
My question was just getting at whether someone would be willing/able to shoot at a cop they believed was about to shoot at them for no known reason. Kind of a tough call, I could see people hesitating. Had he been armed and had time to shoot back, would he have?
There have been armed homeowners who were killed by police in circumstances that shouldn't have happened before. A wrong address on a search warrant, a homeowner shooting a burglar at the same time police arrived, etc.
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Well, heck, he only "injured" a few students in the classroom where his gun "accidentally discharged"... no biggie. He resigned as a cop and a teacher, but he's still mayor. I'm sure you are I would be treated the same, right?
https://www.ksbw.com/article/da-announces-outcome-of-dennis-alexander-classroom-gun-incident/21073949
DA reveals outcome of Dennis Alexander classroom gun incident
When Alexander's gun fired into a ceiling -- injuring some Seaside High students with falling ceiling debris -- he did not commit a crime, prosecutors concluded. He also didn't violate any laws when he allowed students to handle his police service weapon and take selfies with it.
In the wake of the classroom gun incident, Alexander resigned from his positions as a teacher and a police officer. He still remains as the mayor pro tem of Seaside, and he recently swore in Seaside's new police chief.
[Please note the incredible irony and stupidity of this idiot moron cop in the following description by the district attorney who found the cop violated no laws...]
"On March 13, 2018, Dennis Alexander, a reserve Sand City police officer, was teaching a class at Seaside High School called Public Safety Fundamentals. He decided to demonstrate to his class that because a police officer’s holster has a double lock, a perpetrator cannot disarm an officer by removing an officer’s handgun from its holster. While standing in front of the class, Alexander explained to students what he was going to do, and at the same time attempted to unload his semi-automatic Glock handgun before the demonstration. To properly do so, Alexander needed to remove the magazine, then rack the slide to eject any round in the chamber. Instead, Alexander first racked the slide (which put a round in the chamber) and then removed the magazine. He inadvertently reversed the procedure. As he was talking to students (indicating a degree of divided attention) he pointed the gun toward the ceiling and pulled the trigger to ensure no round was in the chamber. Alexander was mistaken and the gun discharged," prosecutors wrote.
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We don't know yet if he will receive "special treatment". We do know that he has not been fired, only "placed on leave pending the results of the investigation".
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/16/us/oregon-ice-officer-arrested/index.html
ICE officer arrested on multiple sodomy charges, Oregon state police say
A deportation officer with US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) was arrested on multiple counts of sodomy last week, according to an Oregon State Police news release.
Blake V. Northway, 55, was arrested Thursday after a joint investigation between state police and ICE's Office of Professional Responsibility. He was charged with 10 counts of sodomy and one count of incest, according to online records with the Jackson County Sheriff's Office. Northway is being held on $1 million bail at the Jackson County Jail, according to those online records.
Tanya Roman, ICE spokeswoman, was quoted in the state police news release as saying the agency holds "its officers to the highest standards of professional conduct and does not tolerate those who violate the law."
"ICE will continue to cooperate until this case has been resolved," Roman said.
Northway has been relieved of all ICE authority and placed on leave pending the results of the criminal investigation, state police said.
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I agree.
My question was just getting at whether someone would be willing/able to shoot at a cop they believed was about to shoot at them for no known reason. Kind of a tough call, I could see people hesitating. Had he been armed and had time to shoot back, would he have?
There have been armed homeowners who were killed by police in circumstances that shouldn't have happened before. A wrong address on a search warrant, a homeowner shooting a burglar at the same time police arrived, etc.
^^^This. But only if they kicked the door in. If they knocked and ID'd themselves, then I would call 911 to verify. And come out unarmed and willingly. But kicking the door in and having a flashbang go off is a diff story. All I know is I heard a the door get kicked in, followed by a loud bang. My hearing would probably be gone so would I be able to hear "Police, search warrant" after being flashbanged?
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I'll be the first to admit that the person killed was likely a punk thief thug, but... if you're 15 feet away, and walking away with your back to someone, I doubt any non-cop would still be walking free years after the video corroborating those facts was released. Then there's the other cops lying to protect their "brother". "Special treatment"? The jury will decide shortly.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/17/opening-arguments-begin-in-murder-trial-white-chicago-cop-who-shot-black-teen.html
Opening arguments begin in murder trial of white Chicago cop who shot black teen
Calling the killing “completely unnecessary,” prosecutors on Monday showed 12 jurors video of white Chicago police officer Jason Van Dyke fatally shooting black teenager Laquan McDonald 16 times – as opening arguments began in a murder trial that has captivated the country and reopened deep wounds about policing in minority communities.
Prosecutors showed the 2014 dashcam video that shows Van Dyke unloading bullets into McDonald as the teen walked away from officers. There was a 3-inch small retractable knife in McDonald’s hand.
His partner and two other officers face trial this fall on conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges. Prosecutors allege they lied to protect Van Dyke, filing reports that echoed his statement that McDonald was a danger. Two are no longer on the force.
Van Dyke contends he shot McDonald 16 times as the teen swung a knife at him. The video — released 13 months later after a court order — shows McDonald holding a knife at the side of his body, about 15 feet away from Van Dyke, walking away from him and other officers who had responded to a report that McDonald was trying to break into vehicles.
“It’s a new chapter but the same theme — police racism, violence and a code of silence,” says G. Flint Taylor, a civil rights lawyer and frequent critic of the Chicago police.
In the last 10 years, 52 officers in a force of 13,000 have been fired for on-the-job misconduct, five for excessive force, according to the department.
What lawyers say connects many other egregious misconduct cases is a code of silence that allowed abuses to continue for years, even decades.
Craig Futterman, a University of Chicago law professor, says these problems aren’t unique among big city police forces, but they are extreme. He calls it an “institutional commitment to denial” that kicks in each time an officer does something wrong.
“It’s not just simply staying silent in the face of abuse, but it’s lying,” he said. “It’s crafting an official narrative that denies this happened ... that will be backed up and down (within the department).”
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^^^This. But only if they kicked the door in. If they knocked and ID'd themselves, then I would call 911 to verify. And come out unarmed and willingly. But kicking the door in and having a flashbang go off is a diff story. All I know is I heard a the door get kicked in, followed by a loud bang. My hearing would probably be gone so would I be able to hear "Police, search warrant" after being flashbanged?
And when they enter they have flashlights in your face so you can't even tell who they are. I understand why they have to do it that way but in the right unfortunate circumstances it can mean a dead innocent person and maybe a dead cop as well.
Just the idea scares me when I run through scenarios in my head of hearing a bump in the night outside.
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And when they enter they have flashlights in your face so you can't even tell who they are. I understand why they have to do it that way but in the right unfortunate circumstances it can mean a dead innocent person and maybe a dead cop as well.
Just the idea scares me when I run through scenarios in my head of hearing a bump in the night outside.
Please list the cases where a police raid on a mistaken address or person resulted in the death of a cop. You should know that's never happened. The thing we don't know is the actual total number of innocent people killed by cops in those "circumstances", aka "tragic circumstances of mistaken identity/address".
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"Charged". Now (eventually) we get to see what will happen. And compare that result to what would happen to "an ordinary citizen" who acted the same way. No "special treatment"?
Justine Damond shooting: police officer Mohamed Noor charged with murder
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/20/justine-damond-shooting-police-officer-mohamed-noor-charged
[The victim killed by police had called them to report a possible sexual assault outside her apartment and was approaching their vehicle to tell them about what she had heard.]
“In the short time between when Ms Damond Ruszczyk approached the squad car and the time that Noor fired the fatal shot, there is no evidence that officer Noor encountered a threat, appreciated a threat, investigated a threat or confirmed a threat that justified his decision to use deadly force,” Freeman said in prepared remarks. “Instead, officer Noor recklessly and intentionally fired his handgun from the passenger seat, in disregard for human life.”
The officers did not turn on their body cameras until after the shooting and there was no squad camera video.
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"Charged". Now (eventually) we get to see what will happen. And compare that result to what would happen to "an ordinary citizen" who acted the same way. No "special treatment"?
Justine Damond shooting: police officer Mohamed Noor charged with murder
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/20/justine-damond-shooting-police-officer-mohamed-noor-charged
[The victim killed by police had called them to report a possible sexual assault outside her apartment and was approaching their vehicle to tell them about what she had heard.]
“In the short time between when Ms Damond Ruszczyk approached the squad car and the time that Noor fired the fatal shot, there is no evidence that officer Noor encountered a threat, appreciated a threat, investigated a threat or confirmed a threat that justified his decision to use deadly force,” Freeman said in prepared remarks. “Instead, officer Noor recklessly and intentionally fired his handgun from the passenger seat, in disregard for human life.”
The officers did not turn on their body cameras until after the shooting and there was no squad camera video.
This is why you never talk to cops, without a lawyer present. It is too dangerous these days.
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Calling the police for help can easily get you killed.
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Calling the police for help can easily get you killed.
AND, once they arrive, they have no legal obligation to do anything at all to protect or help you, no matter what your circumstances.
It seems almost obvious, that these are facts that warrant developing the ability and skills to protect yourself, everywhere, with the best self-defense tools available.
quod erat demonstrandum
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Calling the police for help can easily get you killed.
No, no it can't. Honolulu Police get something like 800,000 calls for service a year and the people who get shot are rarely the ones who called the police.
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Any wagers on whether the cop is behind bars like some of the others, or out and about? Indirectly sounds like he's out and about but was required to "turn[] in his weapon". I'm sure the 47-year-old law enforcement officer was going to meet with the 15-year-old girl in order to "protect and serve" her.
Police sergeant among 24 alleged child predators arrested in sting operation in New Jersey
https://6abc.com/police-sergeant-among-24-alleged-child-predators-arrested-in-sting/4276844/
A total of 24 men have been arrested in a sting operation targeting alleged child predators in New Jersey, the state attorney general's office announced on Tuesday.
As part of "Operation Open House," the suspects were lured through social media to a home in Toms River, Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal said, where they allegedly expected to find their victim home alone. I'm sure as a 47-year-old law enforcement officer he was merely going to meet the 15-year-old girl in order to "protect and serve" her.
"When they showed up at our undercover house seeking to meet their intended victims for sex, they were arrested," said Grewal. "The defendants are now charged with serious crimes and are either behind bars or subject to very stringent pre-trial monitoring."
Among those arrested were a firefighter, a nurse, and 47-year-old Richard Conte, a police sergeant for Howell Township.
"Conte claimed during his chats that he was a 19-year-old male, believing that he was chatting with a 15-year-old girl. He allegedly said that he had had sex with underage girls, and wanted to meet the girl to 'get naked.' He had condoms in his pocket when he was arrested," Grewal said.
Conte has since turned in his weapon to the Howell Township Police Department
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Here's another one from today... how the law-abiding resident of the apartment survived after shooting cops is... well either a miracle or a testament to the really crappy shooting skills of the cops... or both.
Two Maryland officers injured in shooting had served warrant to wrong apartment, police say
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/21/two-maryland-officers-injured-in-shooting-had-served-warrant-to-wrong-apartment-police-say.html
The two Maryland police officers who were shot while executing a drug-related search warrant late Wednesday had entered the wrong apartment, officials said.
Officers from Prince George's County Police entered the home of “a law-abiding” resident after an investigation led officers to incorrectly conclude that the address was that of a suspected drug dealer, police Chief Hank Stawinski said during a news conference Thursday.
"The individual that we are targeting does not live at that address ... a law-abiding, hard-working citizen of Prince George's County and his daughter were home at the point where we were executing that search warrant," Stawinski said.
As of Thursday afternoon, one officer has been released, while the other remained hospitalized for surgery on his face and an arm, Washington station WUSA-TV reported.
The shooting took place Wednesday night as a unit of nine officers served a search warrant at an apartment complex about 20 miles south of the nation's capital. After knocking on the door and getting no response, officers used a device to open it.
The resident, who had fallen asleep and didn’t hear police announce themselves, fired a shotgun as soon as officers opened the door, striking one in the shoulder and the other in a hand, officials said. One officer returned fire, but didn’t hit anyone.
The man immediately surrendered once he realized they were police officers, officials said.
“You got the wrong address. Don’t shoot my daughter,” the father said, according to Stawinski.
The chief apologized for the blunder and said there will not be any criminal charges filed against the resident, Washington news station WTOP-FM reported.
Earlier this month, a police officer in Dallas was charged with manslaughter after entering an apartment she mistook as her own and fatally shooting the resident.
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Here's another one from today... how the law-abiding resident of the apartment survived after shooting cops is... well either a miracle or a testament to the really crappy shooting skills of the cops... or both.
Two Maryland officers injured in shooting had served warrant to wrong apartment, police say
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/21/two-maryland-officers-injured-in-shooting-had-served-warrant-to-wrong-apartment-police-say.html
The two Maryland police officers who were shot while executing a drug-related search warrant late Wednesday had entered the wrong apartment, officials said.
Officers from Prince George's County Police entered the home of “a law-abiding” resident after an investigation led officers to incorrectly conclude that the address was that of a suspected drug dealer, police Chief Hank Stawinski said during a news conference Thursday.
"The individual that we are targeting does not live at that address ... a law-abiding, hard-working citizen of Prince George's County and his daughter were home at the point where we were executing that search warrant," Stawinski said.
As of Thursday afternoon, one officer has been released, while the other remained hospitalized for surgery on his face and an arm, Washington station WUSA-TV reported.
The shooting took place Wednesday night as a unit of nine officers served a search warrant at an apartment complex about 20 miles south of the nation's capital. After knocking on the door and getting no response, officers used a device to open it.
The resident, who had fallen asleep and didn’t hear police announce themselves, fired a shotgun as soon as officers opened the door, striking one in the shoulder and the other in a hand, officials said. One officer returned fire, but didn’t hit anyone.
The man immediately surrendered once he realized they were police officers, officials said.
“You got the wrong address. Don’t shoot my daughter,” the father said, according to Stawinski.
The chief apologized for the blunder and said there will not be any criminal charges filed against the resident, Washington news station WTOP-FM reported.
Earlier this month, a police officer in Dallas was charged with manslaughter after entering an apartment she mistook as her own and fatally shooting the resident.
Thank goodness no one died.
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If you are at all interested in this example of cop malfeasance and coverup, you should read the whole article as it goes into a bit of detail. "To protect and to serve... well, except when we don't want to."
Cops in Parkland shooting under investigation for crimes
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-school-shooting-police-response-investigation-20180921-story,amp.html
Florida’s top law enforcement agency says it is investigating whether police committed crimes while responding to February’s mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.
Immediately after the shooting, Gov. Rick Scott ordered the Florida Department of Law Enforcement to investigate law enforcement’s response to the shooting, including actions by school deputy Scot Peterson, who took cover outside rather than rush into the building as teachers and children were being shot.
Now, the FDLE tells the South Florida Sun Sentinel that its investigation is criminal in nature. The claim surprised legal experts and raised questions about whether police could be held criminally liable for faltering and not swiftly taking down the shooter.
In addition, experts question whether the label of a criminal investigation is actually designed to shield public records from view. Florida law allows law enforcement to withhold some records related to active criminal investigations.
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Guyger got fired...
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Guyger got fired...
Yeah, and the head of the "cops are special and deserve special treatment" organization, the cop union, is very unhappy. You have to wonder what would it take for him to agree "Yeah, that's an offense that merits the termination of a police officer". Anything? Anything at all?
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At least he always made it home safe at the end of his shift...
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/former-chicago-police-department-commander-jon-burge-torture-cases-died-obituary/
Former Chicago Police Cmdr. Jon Burge, tied to torture cases, has died
Police Cmdr. Jon Burge, whose name became synonymous with torture, a web of tainted court convictions and more than $100 million in settlements with wrongfully convicted defendants who lost decades of their lives in jail, has died in Florida at 70, according to the Chicago Fraternal Order of Police.
In 2011, Burge was sentenced to 4 1/2 years in prison for lying under oath in civil lawsuits connected to the torture. After being released early for good behavior, he went to a halfway house near his Florida home, followed by home confinement.
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Calling the police for help can easily get you killed.
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Calling the police for help can easily get you killed.
I have been in Hawaii 18 years.
I have called 911 three times.
Once for a suspected drunk or very sick driver who could not stay in a lane.
I gave them the license number.
Never heard anything back.
Another time when a truck literally pushed me on a motorcycle off the road.
I gave them the license number.
Never heard anything back.
Third time I actually spoke with a cop,
I had found what he identified as a stolen backpack.
It was missing $1200. He wanted to know
where I was that day.
I would never call a cop to my home.
Shoot, shovel, and shutup.
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I've only called 911 twice for a personal emergency. And many times for routine stuff like crackhead passed out in the road, crackhead passed out on top of a car. Crackhead yelling at people at the bus stop. Crackhead walking butt ass naked down the street. I guess we got a crackhead problem.
1) Was in high school and walking home with friends. Group of Samoans approached us (all japs) and demanded our wallets or get our asses kicked. 2/3 of us were able to out run them. 1 wasn't and got his front tooth knocked out. Samoans got away in a vehicle. We called 911 and they found the vehicle and arrested the group. The puncher got 5 years (I had to testify in court). Helicopter was used to find the car.
2) My alarm went off in my safe. Called 911 and 7 cops or so showed up and waited to enter until I got home. Not necessary to kick the door in because there were no visible signs of a break in. So they waited for me to come home. Then swept the home. Since then I have replaced the alarm so I won't get a false alarm and added more layers to my security.
So I look at calling HPD or any LE like they're humans. Humans can make mistakes and people can get hurt. Especially since depending on the type of call, they don't know what they're walking into. Even a routine traffic stop can go from 0-deadly in 2 seconds. Treat the officers with respect and follow commands. If I have a problem I'll file a complaint later.
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I've only called 911 twice for a personal emergency. And many times for routine stuff like crackhead passed out in the road, crackhead passed out on top of a car. Crackhead yelling at people at the bus stop. Crackhead walking butt ass naked down the street. I guess we got a crackhead problem.
1) Was in high school and walking home with friends. Group of Samoans approached us (all japs) and demanded our wallets or get our asses kicked. 2/3 of us were able to out run them. 1 wasn't and got his front tooth knocked out. Samoans got away in a vehicle. We called 911 and they found the vehicle and arrested the group. The puncher got 5 years (I had to testify in court). Helicopter was used to find the car.
2) My alarm went off in my safe. Called 911 and 7 cops or so showed up and waited to enter until I got home. Not necessary to kick the door in because there were no visible signs of a break in. So they waited for me to come home. Then swept the home. Since then I have replaced the alarm so I won't get a false alarm and added more layers to my security.
So I look at calling HPD or any LE like they're humans. Humans can make mistakes and people can get hurt. Especially since depending on the type of call, they don't know what they're walking into. Even a routine traffic stop can go from 0-deadly in 2 seconds. Treat the officers with respect and follow commands. If I have a problem I'll file a complaint later.
Crackheads give methheads a bad rep. :wacko:
You should get a decent WiFi webcam. Put it where you can see your gun safe. Then if you get an alert, you can do a visual verification before calling cops or racing home. It also offers video/audio evidence if someone actually accesses your safe.
I have 3 of these at home, and my daughter has 3 also. For $26, it's hard to beat. it has motion detection if you set it, and I even get alerts (another optional setting) if the fire/smoke detector goes off. The other day I was home, and a car alarm in front of my house went off. The upstairs camera sent a smoke detector alert. They do sound similar. :thumbsup:
https://www.amazon.com/Wyze-Indoor-Wireless-Camera-Vision/dp/B076H3SRXG/ref=sr_1_22?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1538005770&sr=1-22&keywords=security+camera
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Yeah, and the head of the "cops are special and deserve special treatment" organization, the cop union, is very unhappy. You have to wonder what would it take for him to agree "Yeah, that's an offense that merits the termination of a police officer". Anything? Anything at all?
I have found that sometimes unions will back up members they know shouldn't be there out of obligation in the contract and not wanting to be sued for failing to represent the due paying member.
I think even if the union president agreed she should not be a cop he wouldn't be able to express it publicly.
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Former HPD sergeant accused of sexual assault
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2018/09/27/former-hpd-sergeant-accused-sexual-assault/
HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) -A former Honolulu Police Department sergeant has been arrested on sexual assault charges, sources say.
Police records show Corbett Roy, 59, was arrested Wednesday night on three counts of fourth-degree sexual assault and one count of harassment.
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Stand up guy for sure.... a credit to all those who "serve and protect". My question: did anyone else on the force have any idea he was doing this, because no one in the "brotherhood" spoke up.
Fired deputy under investigation for planting drugs
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/09/20/fired-deputy-under-investigation-planting-drugs/1361283002/
Prosecutors are dropping charges in at least two dozen cases initiated by a former Jackson County Sheriff’s Office deputy who’s under investigation for allegedly planting drugs on people during traffic stops.
The Florida Department of Law Enforcement confirmed Wednesday it opened an investigation Aug. 1 into Deputy Zachary Wester at the request of the Sheriff’s Office, located in Marianna. The investigation into allegations of official misconduct is still open, and no charges have been filed against Wester.
The Sheriff's Office fired him Sept. 10 for violating agency policy, according to FDLE records.
A former prosecutor himself, Myers said he believes law enforcement officers play by the rules, by and large.
“The foundation for our system is the integrity of our law enforcement officers,” he said. “So I sure hope he’s just a (single) bad apple. And I believe that. The sad part is you wonder how many people were arrested by him and just took a plea to get out of jail when they had done nothing wrong.”
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So he gets to be on vacation while getting paid... excellent deterrent to future similar behavior by fellow officers.
Kansas police officer is charged with battery and criminal threat
https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article219046410.html
An Ottawa, Kan., police sergeant has been charged with battery in connection with an incident at his home earlier this month.
Steven Burkhart made an initial appearance Wednesday in Franklin County District Court, where he is charged with battery and making a criminal threat. He had been arrested earlier this month.
Burkhart, 35, was arrested on the charges Sept. 4, according to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation, and was released from custody after posting a bond.
He is scheduled to appear in court again Oct. 29.
Burkhart was placed on paid administrative leave after the incident, according to a police department spokesman.
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Crackheads give methheads a bad rep. :wacko:
You should get a decent WiFi webcam. Put it where you can see your gun safe. Then if you get an alert, you can do a visual verification before calling cops or racing home. It also offers video/audio evidence if someone actually accesses your safe.
I have 3 of these at home, and my daughter has 3 also. For $26, it's hard to beat. it has motion detection if you set it, and I even get alerts (another optional setting) if the fire/smoke detector goes off. The other day I was home, and a car alarm in front of my house went off. The upstairs camera sent a smoke detector alert. They do sound similar. :thumbsup:
https://www.amazon.com/Wyze-Indoor-Wireless-Camera-Vision/dp/B076H3SRXG/ref=sr_1_22?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1538005770&sr=1-22&keywords=security+camera
Without giving to much details, maybe the Wyze is an added layer of security, among other stuff. =P
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Without giving to much details, maybe the Wyze is an added layer of security, among other stuff. =P
I have a safe monitor device that we've talked about on here before. If the safe is opened, closed or moved, I get an email and text alert. It also monitors humidity and temp. I can check my webcam to see if there's anything going on with the safe if I'm alerted away from home.
Every once in awhile, I get a "movement detected" message -- normally while I'm at home. I think the cat is punking me. :wacko:
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Set up a Nest and Uokoo camers at a family member’s house. The motion sensor for the Nest is quite good. Sometimes it picks up motion of shadows when the light changes quickly or sometimes bugs. So we get some false alarms when someone isn’t expected to be home. But for the most part, it sends alerts when it actually picks up a person. The Nest cameras aren’t cheap though.
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I'm sure this cop will claim that "That's what they taught at the police academy. I'm just doing as taught. Standard police operating procedure. Once the person goes down to the ground from the pepper spray, kick them. Dintdonuffin."
Washington cop benched after video shows him kicking teen at fair
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/27/washington-cop-benched-after-video-shows-him-kicking-teen-at-fair-report.html
A police officer in Yakima, Washington has reportedly been placed on desk duty after a video apparently showed him kicking a teen to the ground after spraying him with pepper spray.
Officer Ian Cole, of the Yakima Police Department, was seen on video Sunday kicking a teenaged boy on the backside with his right foot, just after he pepper-sprayed him, the Yakima Herald-Republic reported.
Interim Chief of Police Gary Jones stated in a news release published Monday that the department was aware of the video, and is investigating the situation as a "use of force review."
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I'm sure this cop will claim that "That's what they taught at the police academy. I'm just doing as taught. Standard police operating procedure. Once the person goes down to the ground from the pepper spray, kick them. Dintdonuffin."
Washington cop benched after video shows him kicking teen at fair
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/27/washington-cop-benched-after-video-shows-him-kicking-teen-at-fair-report.html
A police officer in Yakima, Washington has reportedly been placed on desk duty after a video apparently showed him kicking a teen to the ground after spraying him with pepper spray.
Officer Ian Cole, of the Yakima Police Department, was seen on video Sunday kicking a teenaged boy on the backside with his right foot, just after he pepper-sprayed him, the Yakima Herald-Republic reported.
Interim Chief of Police Gary Jones stated in a news release published Monday that the department was aware of the video, and is investigating the situation as a "use of force review."
I have to ask was he a Yakima nation cop?
I'm a ex-pat Washingtonian.
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To protect and to serve. Yeah, right.
https://pix11.com/2018/09/25/nj-police-officer-charged-with-sexually-assaulting-2nd-child/
NJ police officer charged with sexually assaulting 2nd child
MOUNT HOLLY, N.J. – A Trenton police officer is facing additional charges after he was accused of allegedly raping a second minor, the Burlington County Prosecutor said Tuesday.
William L. Sanchez-Monllor, 36, of Burlington Township was first arrested last week after he was accused of sexually abusing an underaged child, police said.
Officer Sanchez-Monllor was initially charged with two counts of aggravated sexual assault in the first degree, two counts of sexual assault in the second degree, and one count on endangering the welfare of a child in the second degree in that case.
Sanchez-Monllor, who resides on the 600 block of Neck Road, is now facing an additional six counts of aggravated sexual assault in the first degree and one count of endangering the welfare of a child in the second degree.
The new charges come after a second victim accused the police offers of sexual assault, police said.
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Was just reading about some cop in deep trouble for planting dope evidence in cars.
Another good reason not to ever call them, or roll you windows down in a traffic stop.
Who knows what might get "dropped" into your car?
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Puna, where are you going with this thread? Started with one issue about a the specific cop who shot a man out of mistake but now you are going on about cases of police abuse.
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Right here in Hawaii county...
Trial for ex-officer accused of killing cyclist moves forward
https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/10/01/hawaii-news/trial-for-ex-officer-accused-of-killing-cyclist-moves-forward/
Jury selection will get underway first thing Tuesday, followed by opening statements in the case in which prosecutors will work to prove Buddemeyer guilty of first-degree negligent homicide, tampering with physical evidence and making a false report to law enforcement in connection with the March 1, 2015, crash that killed Jeffrey Surnow, a 69-year-old visitor from Michigan.
A police misconduct report presented to the Hawaii County Police Commission in February 2016, which does not include names because of state law, said an officer was terminated in 2015 for tampering with the scene after being involved in a traffic fatality.
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He was in fear for his life!
The bicyclist lunged at him!
Get out of jail free.................
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Minneapolis SWAT Team Raids Wrong House
https://www.foxnews.com/story/minneapolis-swat-team-raids-wrong-house
With her six kids and husband tucked into bed, Yee Moua was watching TV in her living room just after midnight when she heard voices — faint at first, then louder. Then came the sound of a window shattering.
Moua bolted upstairs, where her husband, Vang Khang, grabbed his shotgun from a closet, knelt and fired a warning shot through his doorway as he heard footsteps coming up the stairs. He let loose with two more blasts. Twenty-two bullets were fired back at him, by the family's count.
Police apologized to the family and placed the seven officers on leave while it investigates what went wrong.
Such mistakes are a fact of police work, some experts said.
"Does going to the wrong address happen from time to time? Yes," said John Gnagey, executive director of the National Tactical Officers Association in Doylestown, Pa. "Do you corroborate as best you can the information the informant gives you? Absolutely. But still from time to time mistakes are made."
One of the biggest botched raids in recent years happened in Atlanta in 2006, when police killed a 92-year-old woman in a hail of nearly 40 bullets after she fired a shot at what she thought were intruders. Police had gone to her house on a drug raid, but no drugs were found.
Prosecutors said that in obtaining a search warrant, Atlanta police falsely told a judge that an informant had confirmed drug dealing there. The scandal led to a shake-up in the department, two officers pleaded guilty to manslaughter and civil rights charges, and the city faces at least two lawsuits.
Reliable figures on the frequency of erroneous raids are hard to come by. Federal agencies, including the FBI and the U.S. Marshals Service, said they do not keep track.
A study last year by the libertarian Cato Institute said: "Because of shoddy police work, over-reliance on informants, and other problems, each year hundreds of raids are conducted on the wrong addresses, bringing unnecessary terror and frightening confrontation to people never suspected of a crime."
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Chicago cop found guilty of second degree murder of Laquan McDonald
https://www.foxnews.com/us/jason-van-dyke-trial-chicago-cop-found-guilty-of-second-degree-murder-of-laquan-mcdonald
Jason Van Dyke, the white Chicago police officer accused of fatally shooting black teenager Laquan McDonald 16 times in less than 30 seconds, was found guilty of second degree murder Friday.
Van Dyke was also found guilty of 16 counts of aggravated battery. He was found not guilty in a count of official misconduct. Van Dyke had been charged with first-degree murder. The judge had also told jurors they could consider second-degree murder.
Ahead of the verdict, Judge Vincent Gaughan warned people in the courtroom to contain their outbursts, adding, “If you do act out, I will have you arrested.”
“Look into your heart and control your emotions,” he said. “This will not be easy for anyone on either side.”
McDonald was shot 16 times in 2014. The shooting was captured on police dash camera video and sparked years of racial tension in the Illinois city.
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Chicago cop found guilty of second degree murder of Laquan McDonald
https://www.foxnews.com/us/jason-van-dyke-trial-chicago-cop-found-guilty-of-second-degree-murder-of-laquan-mcdonald
Jason Van Dyke, the white Chicago police officer accused of fatally shooting black teenager Laquan McDonald 16 times in less than 30 seconds, was found guilty of second degree murder Friday.
Van Dyke was also found guilty of 16 counts of aggravated battery. He was found not guilty in a count of official misconduct. Van Dyke had been charged with first-degree murder. The judge had also told jurors they could consider second-degree murder.
Ahead of the verdict, Judge Vincent Gaughan warned people in the courtroom to contain their outbursts, adding, “If you do act out, I will have you arrested.”
“Look into your heart and control your emotions,” he said. “This will not be easy for anyone on either side.”
McDonald was shot 16 times in 2014. The shooting was captured on police dash camera video and sparked years of racial tension in the Illinois city.
The cop acted like a soldier in a war situation.
He deserved the jury ruling.
We in Hawaii have police forces that think they are
in a war zone and all civilians are the enemy.
It happens here as the police act like Warriors.
When they are supposed to be peace keepers.
There was one year on my island when cops killed
more innocent people than the "criminals" did.
We need to do what is necessary.