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General Topics => Off Topic => Topic started by: mrgaf on September 18, 2018, 09:22:43 PM

Title: Pepper spray
Post by: mrgaf on September 18, 2018, 09:22:43 PM
Any advice where I can purchase in Oahu?
Thanks! :shaka:
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: eyeeatingfish on September 18, 2018, 10:01:33 PM
Any advice where I can purchase in Oahu?
Thanks! :shaka:

I have seen it in more of the gun shops. Not sure where else off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: oldfart on September 18, 2018, 10:09:49 PM
I bought from young guns.....heck, I bought some from Office Max once.
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 18, 2018, 10:11:59 PM
Try J. Hara.  I know people on Yelp! have posted they carry it.
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: RSN172 on September 19, 2018, 05:52:18 AM
Get the Mace gun.  Much easier and faster to use than the canister type
I got mine from Young Guns, but SEC also carries them.
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 19, 2018, 08:53:09 AM
Young guns, SEC all have great selections.  I'm not a fan of the mace gun because it gets bulky in my pocket with all the other crap I got in there. I got a simple small breath spray size can.

And spread out through my home, I have a few more bigger cans.

Be sure to test them also after buying.  This way you know the range and pattern it projects.  But don't do it down wind or on a windy day next to your neighbors window.
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: London808 on September 19, 2018, 09:40:48 AM
Get the Mace gun.  Much easier and faster to use than the canister type
I got mine from Young Guns, but SEC also carries them.

In Hawaii this will get you a felony if you ever used it and the reason for use was doubtful.

I would advise against use/carrying the mace gun.

     §707-716  Terroristic threatening in the first degree.  (1)  A person commits the offense of terroristic threatening in the first degree if the person commits terroristic threatening:
 (e)  With the use of a dangerous instrument or a simulated firearm.  For purposes of this section, "simulated firearm" means any object that:
          (i)  Substantially resembles a firearm;
         (ii)  Can reasonably be perceived to be a firearm; or
        (iii)  Is used or brandished as a firearm; or



Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: London808 on September 19, 2018, 09:46:13 AM
Also prohibited to carry due to ROH 40-23. Replica firearms

Article 23. Replica Guns
“Firearm” shall mean the same as it is defined in HRS Section 134-1.
“Law enforcement officer” shall mean any public servant, whether employed by the state, the city or the United States, vested by law with a duty to maintain public order or to make arrests for offenses or to enforce the criminal laws, whether that duty extends to all offenses or is limited to a specific class of offenses.
“Replica gun” shall mean any toy or other object which bears such a resemblance to an actual firearm that a reasonable person would have difficulty visually distinguishing it from an actual firearm, and which lacks any feature or aspect which would serve as a signal to allow a person to readily distinguish the replica gun from an actual firearm by sight. The term shall not include an actual firearm.
(Added by Ord. 03-24)
(a) No person shall carry or display a replica gun on any street, alley, public road, or on any public lands unless such replica gun is in a suitable case or securely wrapped.
(b) No person shall draw or brandish a replica gun in the presence of a law enforcement officer engaged in the performance of his or her duties.
(c) Nothing in this article shall be deemed to prevent any person who has obtained a hunting license pursuant to HRS Chapter 183D from engaging in hunting in accordance with law.
(d) In the event a replica gun is also an “air gun,” as defined in Section 41-8.1, the exceptions in Section 41-8.4 shall also be exceptions to the prohibitions in this article.
(e) Nothing in this article shall prevent carrying or display of a replica gun by a person involved in a living history presentation or other activity for historical interpretation or educational purposes, or by a person participating in a parade if such activity or parade participant is associated with an established historical organization, museum, military preservation organization, or other group with a mission to educate the public at various events through the use of historical artifacts, clothing, vehicles, aircraft, maritime vessels, and firearms or replicas thereof.
Any person violating the provisions of Section 40-23.2(a) shall be deemed guilty of a petty misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $500, or by imprisonment not exceeding 30 days.
Any person violating the provisions of Section 40-23.2(b) shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $1,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding one year.
(Added by Ord. 03-24)
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: changemyoil66 on September 19, 2018, 11:49:34 AM
So wouldn't a taser be considered a "replica gun"?  It could resemble a real gun to a reasonable person.  But then again, so can a stabler that's black.

Down the rabbit hole we go.
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: drck1000 on September 19, 2018, 11:54:37 AM
I too have seen them at most of the local gun shops. Many seems to be marketed to females (pink and other color ones).

As for practicing being mindful of neighbors, I have been told many stories out at Schofield when someone misjudged the wind during training with CS. The adjacent neighborhood “caught gas”.
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on September 19, 2018, 12:02:49 PM
So wouldn't a taser be considered a "replica gun"?  It could resemble a real gun to a reasonable person.  But then again, so can a stabler that's black.

Down the rabbit hole we go.

Chances are, if you pull out a mace/pepper spray gun (or taser gun), you're going to use it. That puts the entire "it looked like a gun" claim to rest. Functionality and use outweigh appearance.
Title: Re: Pepper spray
Post by: RSN172 on September 19, 2018, 09:55:49 PM
I seriously doubt anyone would get charged with a felony for using a Mace gun in a legitimate SD situation.  In any case, my USCCA insurance will provide an attorney if I did get arrested.  I would much rather carry my JPX but that is considered a firearm since it uses a 9mm case and primer to propel the gel.  That one you can shoot into the wind.