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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: zippz on October 18, 2018, 06:14:50 PM
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I thought about this to slowly end Social Security.
Early cash out option for SS. Get one payment, about half of what your total benefits would be at the time and pay no future SS taxes. This would be after you made 15 years of paying SS taxes.
You'll probably still do better investing that sum and the 7.2% taxes in the stock market and come out ahead. Businesses could optionally add their 7.2% portion to your paycheck or 401k too.
Allow the lump sum payment to be put into a 401k or IRA. 10% penalty if you dont put it into a retirement account.
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How are you going to “pay no future SS taxes”? ???
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How are you going to “pay no future SS taxes”? ???
You opted out early. So you got a partial lump sum payment. No future SS benefits and no future SS taxes.
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You opted out early. So you got a partial lump sum payment. No future SS benefits and no future SS taxes.
Opt out?
Are you planning to no longer be a US Citizen? Or are you no longer going to be working in the US?
I’m gonna submit my “opt out” paperwork Monday. I’m also gonna not pay income taxes...
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Opt out?
Are you planning to no longer be a US Citizen? Or are you no longer going to be working in the US?
I’m gonna submit my “opt out” paperwork Monday. I’m also gonna not pay income taxes...
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Opt out?
Are you planning to no longer be a US Citizen? Or are you no longer going to be working in the US?
I’m gonna submit my “opt out” paperwork Monday. I’m also gonna not pay income taxes...
You have a better proposal to give to congress?
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You have a better proposal to give to congress?
Huh?
Are you talking about proposal to change SS? Or talking about a way you see around the system? To “slowly end SS”. Who is going to pay for current beneficiaries?
I’m not that well informed on SS and Medicare, but I do know that what you propose would lead to millions being exposed. Is it a perfect system? Far from it. Am I depending on it when I retire? Hellz no.
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Your total SS benefits are calculated based on 30+ years of income. Cashing out after only 15 - you’d be cheating yourself since income usually goes up as you get older. Japan does something similar to this but totally different country and culture.
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Wanna save SS? Tell them scumbags in DC to keep their stinking paws off of the fund, that’s how you fix the system! Just take a look at the Wildlife Restoration Act of 1938 (Pitman/Robinson) to see a fed fund that works and has safeguards against the swamp dwellers stealing from it!
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I kinda assumed everyone knew how social security works. It's a huge ripoff for middle income earners as you can see below + the low rate of return versus stocks long term + the depletion of the SS fund to pay only 79% of benefits. People make a big fuss if someone steals $1,000 from them but don't blink when SS steals hundreds of thousands of dollars from them.
Better to cut your losses and break free from SS if you can, even if you're halfway through your working ages.
PIA formula
For an individual who first becomes eligible for old-age insurance benefits or disability insurance benefits in 2019, or who dies in 2019 before becoming eligible for benefits, his/her PIA will be the sum of:
(a) 90 percent of the first $926 of his/her average indexed monthly earnings, plus
(b) 32 percent of his/her average indexed monthly earnings over $926 and through $5,583, plus
(c) 15 percent of his/her average indexed monthly earnings over $5,583.
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Wanna save SS? Tell them scumbags in DC to keep their stinking paws off of the fund, that’s how you fix the system! Just take a look at the Wildlife Restoration Act of 1938 (Pitman/Robinson) to see a fed fund that works and has safeguards against the swamp dwellers stealing from it!
^^^THIS^^^
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I am eligible to start taking SS in a year and a half at 62 in 2020. I intend to start taking it whether I decide to keep working or not. Even with the extra taxes I will have to pay. The problem is this, in 2022 SS will hit the point where they have to start paying out more than they bing in. The money runs out in 2034. At which point, if nothing is done before this time, SS will have to reduce all recipients payments by as much as 23%. All of this is per the 2017 report and is estimated.
If you start allowing people to opt out the timeline above changes drastically. SS will run out of money even sooner. Which means you will be screwing yourself over if you already have donated to the fund for 15 or more years. I would prefer that the government takes $700B back from Obama and all Democrats in office when this money was stolen from SS to fund Obamacare and be placed back into the SS fund. And then you can allow those who are just starting to pay into the fund to opt into having all SS deductions from their check to be put directly into their 401K. This does two things. It takes the administration costs of SS for new donors out of the hands of the government and puts it into the hands of the employee. And it keeps the government from further stealing from the SS fund. Now, as the older recipients start dying off then the need for SS funds will diminish. Any and all shortages will be made up by new workers at a diminishing rate. I know this doesn’t sound fair, but it is a way out so taxpayers are not on the hook forever under the current plan. If the worker forgoes the 401K plan, then SS is not deducted from their check. Eventually, SS will die off and the tax burden can then be removed from the taxpayer. But then we get back to the problem that SS tried to solve at its inception. How to help seniors who are retiring from ending up a burden on society when they fail to plan properly earlier in their lives.
While I am not a fan of social programs, I believe a properly run SS fund can be run properly and maintain the funds to keep the seniors in retirement. By funding the SS with enough seed money and turning over to private account managers I think the fund can be invested properly to keep it solvent under the current deduction and payout rules established under Reagan and Clinton. JMHO
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I kinda assumed everyone knew how social security works.
Like I said, I’m no SS expert, but I don’t think you’re seeing or appreciating the big picture. There’s much more to SS benefits than the financial aspect of old age benefits. Could we invest our monies better if we had control, sure. But there’s MUCH more to the system than that.
You mention pipe dreams, this is worse.
1) There isn’t a way for the vast majority of US citizens to simply opt out of SS. There are a few exemptions, but good luck getting more than say 10% of the population to qualify.
2) Even if your proposal, or any other proposal to “end SS” were to gain traction with law makers, you would be leaving millions exposed who depend on SS benefits. You can’t just remove the main part of the pay as you go system. At least without replacing it in another way.
I see what Is being said about mismanagement of the system. But it is also my understanding that people are simply living longer and costing the system much more than being put it. That even without mismanagement, the system needs adjusting to account for that. Stuff like increasing age for benefits and increasing taxing of those paying into the system.
I too am not a fan of all social systems, but SS is one that in its current state, I don’t believe one can just end by having the middle age folks opt out. Same with the C&C and State if Hawaii government worker pension systems. I’m not a part of that,but have close family whose lives literally depended on those benefits, especially the healthcare component.
The effort to try to find solutions is commendable, but one can’t simply take a Pollyanna approach and only consider a part of the equation.
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I am eligible to start taking SS in a year and a half at 62 in 2020. I intend to start taking it whether I decide to keep working or not. Even with the extra taxes I will have to pay. The problem is this, in 2022 SS will hit the point where they have to start paying out more than they bing in. The money runs out in 2034. At which point, if nothing is done before this time, SS will have to reduce all recipients payments by as much as 23%. All of this is per the 2017 report and is estimated.
If you start allowing people to opt out the timeline above changes drastically. SS will run out of money even sooner. Which means you will be screwing yourself over if you already have donated to the fund for 15 or more years. I would prefer that the government takes $700B back from Obama and all Democrats in office when this money was stolen from SS to fund Obamacare and be placed back into the SS fund. And then you can allow those who are just starting to pay into the fund to opt into having all SS deductions from their check to be put directly into their 401K. This does two things. It takes the administration costs of SS for new donors out of the hands of the government and puts it into the hands of the employee. And it keeps the government from further stealing from the SS fund. Now, as the older recipients start dying off then the need for SS funds will diminish. Any and all shortages will be made up by new workers at a diminishing rate. I know this doesn’t sound fair, but it is a way out so taxpayers are not on the hook forever under the current plan. If the worker forgoes the 401K plan, then SS is not deducted from their check. Eventually, SS will die off and the tax burden can then be removed from the taxpayer. But then we get back to the problem that SS tried to solve at its inception. How to help seniors who are retiring from ending up a burden on society when they fail to plan properly earlier in their lives.
While I am not a fan of social programs, I believe a properly run SS fund can be run properly and maintain the funds to keep the seniors in retirement. By funding the SS with enough seed money and turning over to private account managers I think the fund can be invested properly to keep it solvent under the current deduction and payout rules established under Reagan and Clinton. JMHO
So you’re saying that in 2020, you’ll have more $$$ for guns? ;D
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So you’re saying that in 2020, you’ll have more $$$ for guns? ;D
If I keep working, YES!!! :thumbsup:
If I don’t keep working I will have to sell my house and move back to the mainland. I am already getting ready to sell my house on the Big Island. Going to do a 1031 Exchange to a place in Phoenix. Due to the medical condition of my wife and the lack of good medical on the BI it just is not going to work for us. So it looks like an eventual move back to the mainland is in the cards for me. Maybe I can find a place with enough land where I can shoot. Either way we need to find somewhere far enough away from a big city but close enough to provide good medical for my wife.
The bottom line is this, even with more money for guns, I have stopped buying because the eventual move is coming.
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If I keep working, YES!!! :thumbsup:
If I don’t keep working I will have to sell my house and move back to the mainland. I am already getting ready to sell my house on the Big Island. Going to do a 1031 Exchange to a place in Phoenix. Due to the medical condition of my wife and the lack of good medical on the BI it just is not going to work for us. So it looks like an eventual move back to the mainland is in the cards for me. Maybe I can find a place with enough land where I can shoot. Either way we need to find somewhere far enough away from a big city but close enough to provide good medical for my wife.
The bottom line is this, even with more money for guns, I have stopped buying because the eventual move is coming.
Ahh. Sorry to hear that you might be relocating, but definitely understand taking care of life priorities, especially the balance of healthcare. Hope all goes well!
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The purpose of the15 year minimum is for people to fund contributions for the seniors. The people who opt out paid into the system and will take a large loss but have the opportunity to make it up later through better efficiency in the commercial markets. Seniors may have to take a small cut, perhaps minus 1% from fututre inflation adjustments. Gov would have to increase the debt to raise money for the lump sum payments.
There would be a shared sacrifice for everyone, but things would improve in the long run. Businesses would thrive from new money in the markets. Greater wealth overall. And better federal debt and budget management.
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And the opt out is optional, people can continue to pay into the mandatory ponzi scheme if they want. Eventually people will see it as the socialist money theft it is and leave too.
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I think the lump sum is a bad idea. Unfortunately, many people do not know how to budget their money. So getting a little every month is more manageable than getting a lot at 1 time.
I can see them spending it all in a few years only to be totally broke. Look at many professional athletes who are not franchise players. They complain about wanting life time medical, a retirement package, etc...You just made millions of dollars right out of college. Save some of that and don't buy 4 Bentley's and 2 houses.
I saw a show about the non-franchinse athletes. They got a saying 10 and you're done. Once you got $10mil in the bank, retire. Save your body, brain, and go find something else to do.
Also a factor is that they may know how to budget, but someone might come along (kids) wanting to "borrow" and never repay them back.
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I am eligible to start taking SS in a year and a half at 62 in 2020. I intend to start taking it whether I decide to keep working or not. Even with the extra taxes I will have to pay. The problem is this, in 2022 SS will hit the point where they have to start paying out more than they bing in. The money runs out in 2034. At which point, if nothing is done before this time, SS will have to reduce all recipients payments by as much as 23%. All of this is per the 2017 report and is estimated.
If you start allowing people to opt out the timeline above changes drastically. SS will run out of money even sooner. Which means you will be screwing yourself over if you already have donated to the fund for 15 or more years. I would prefer that the government takes $700B back from Obama and all Democrats in office when this money was stolen from SS to fund Obamacare and be placed back into the SS fund. And then you can allow those who are just starting to pay into the fund to opt into having all SS deductions from their check to be put directly into their 401K. This does two things. It takes the administration costs of SS for new donors out of the hands of the government and puts it into the hands of the employee. And it keeps the government from further stealing from the SS fund. Now, as the older recipients start dying off then the need for SS funds will diminish. Any and all shortages will be made up by new workers at a diminishing rate. I know this doesn’t sound fair, but it is a way out so taxpayers are not on the hook forever under the current plan. If the worker forgoes the 401K plan, then SS is not deducted from their check. Eventually, SS will die off and the tax burden can then be removed from the taxpayer. But then we get back to the problem that SS tried to solve at its inception. How to help seniors who are retiring from ending up a burden on society when they fail to plan properly earlier in their lives.
While I am not a fan of social programs, I believe a properly run SS fund can be run properly and maintain the funds to keep the seniors in retirement. By funding the SS with enough seed money and turning over to private account managers I think the fund can be invested properly to keep it solvent under the current deduction and payout rules established under Reagan and Clinton. JMHO
I'm turning 63 next week. I retired at age 55 and haven't yet applied for SS due to the tax and medical insurance problems it causes.
I don't think it will be politically possible to screw people out of SS, but I do expect a "Haircut" for those above a certain income level.
I'm pretty sure I won't exceed that level.
Sorry to read you must leave due to health concerns. Sorry that we have not had a chance to meet on the BI.
I looked into going back to WA state( no state income tax) Great medical, but all things added up it is cheaper to stay on the big island.
We actually have pretty good medical here. Most people that have exceptional needs jump on a plane. One of my neighbors
recently sent wife and sick daughter to Boston for three months for very special treatment for the kid. Community and family
came together to help them.
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I'm turning 63 next week. I retired at age 55 and haven't yet applied for SS due to the tax and medical insurance problems it causes.
I don't think it will be politically possible to screw people out of SS, but I do expect a "Haircut" for those above a certain income level.
I'm pretty sure I won't exceed that level.
Sorry to read you must leave due to health concerns. Sorry that we have not had a chance to meet on the BI.
I looked into going back to WA state( no state income tax) Great medical, but all things added up it is cheaper to stay on the big island.
We actually have pretty good medical here. Most people that have exceptional needs jump on a plane. One of my neighbors
recently sent wife and sick daughter to Boston for three months for very special treatment for the kid. Community and family
came together to help them.
The problem is not so much the quality of the healthcare, it is the scarcity of doctors and hospitals nearby and the ability to see someone within a few days is just not there yet. My wife's medical issues can degrade quickly and visits to emergency get old real fast. But if the emergency room is 1.5 hour drive from my house, then that causes a problem as well for her. Even with the fine healthcare they have here, they misdiagnosed her in the emergency room in the morning and we were back a few hours later where they finally figured it out. Both times she had to be transported by ambulance. The nearest ambulance out there is 45 minutes away with an hour to an hour and a half drive to the hospital. Even with the ambulance only a few minutes away here, she almost died. I won't let that happen again. Preventative is the best way, but I am not a doctor and if I had known I could have helped prevent her from almost dying the first time. If something happens again and I don't recognize the symptoms a long ambulance trip can mean disaster. That is the real reason we decided not to move there. We cannot afford to buy close to town. So it looks like our best plan is to find an area that is close to medical facilities on the mainland.
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The problem is not so much the quality of the healthcare, it is the scarcity of doctors and hospitals nearby and the ability to see someone within a few days is just not there yet. My wife's medical issues can degrade quickly and visits to emergency get old real fast. But if the emergency room is 1.5 hour drive from my house, then that causes a problem as well for her. Even with the fine healthcare they have here, they misdiagnosed her in the emergency room in the morning and we were back a few hours later where they finally figured it out. Both times she had to be transported by ambulance. The nearest ambulance out there is 45 minutes away with an hour to an hour and a half drive to the hospital. Even with the ambulance only a few minutes away here, she almost died. I won't let that happen again. Preventative is the best way, but I am not a doctor and if I had known I could have helped prevent her from almost dying the first time. If something happens again and I don't recognize the symptoms a long ambulance trip can mean disaster. That is the real reason we decided not to move there. We cannot afford to buy close to town. So it looks like our best plan is to find an area that is close to medical facilities on the mainland.
This is a very Oahu centrist site so most people don't appreciate your words about your remoteness on the BI. Good luck.
All things being equal I'd suggest Houston above the flood plain.
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This is a very Oahu centrist site so most people don't appreciate your words about your remoteness on the BI. Good luck.
All things being equal I'd suggest Houston above the flood plain.
I’m sad we won’t have that beer we talked about. But I have to do the right thing for my wife.
We were talking about Flagstaff and surrounding area which is up in elevation and cooler. Next choice might be somewhere in NV or TX. I like Austin but I hear it it turning progressive. I am actually liking some areas of south Utah. But we’ll see. We have lot’s of time to look around and decide what we want to do.
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I’m sad we won’t have that beer we talked about. But I have to do the right thing for my wife.
We were talking about Flagstaff and surrounding area which is up in elevation and cooler. Next choice might be somewhere in NV or TX. I like Austin but I hear it it turning progressive. I am actually liking some areas of south Utah.
Last week I saw a 3/2 house, 1600 sq ft on 40.5 acres in Flagstaff area for $162k. Off grid. Only drawback is water has to be trucked in, but there are water haulers available, like on the BI. Flagstaff gets too cold for me. What I plan to do after my oldest Rottweiler dies, she is 10, is rent and not buy, a place on the mainland. I saw 2/1 vacation rental apartments in Kingman AZ for $585 a month. That way I have the freedom to move whenever I want. Using vacation rentals, other than my clothes, car and a few personal items, I won’t need to own anything else. Talked the wife into that idea, as long as we come back to Hawaii every 2 months and stay here a month. I plan to move to different parts of the country during the most pleasant times of the year, as long as it is a state that I can legally CCW.
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I like Austin but I hear it it turning progressive.
"Turning"????
It has been the San Fagsicko of Texas for quite a while now from what i have read..
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"Turning"????
It has been the San Fagsicko of Texas for quite a while now from what i have read..
I have not been there for 18 years. Shows you how much I know.
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Last week I saw a 3/2 house, 1600 sq ft on 40.5 acres in Flagstaff area for $162k. Off grid. Only drawback is water has to be trucked in, but there are water haulers available, like on the BI. Flagstaff gets too cold for me. What I plan to do after my oldest Rottweiler dies, she is 10, is rent and not buy, a place on the mainland. I saw 2/1 vacation rental apartments in Kingman AZ for $585 a month. That way I have the freedom to move whenever I want. Using vacation rentals, other than my clothes, car and a few personal items, I won’t need to own anything else. Talked the wife into that idea, as long as we come back to Hawaii every 2 months and stay here a month. I plan to move to different parts of the country during the most pleasant times of the year, as long as it is a state that I can legally CCW.
Being off grid/trucking in water is preferable. I think Flagstaff might be too cold for me as well. But I don’t want to live in the heat anymore. I have never lived anywhere it snows before. So it will be a new experience for me. It is still a mild winter there, so we’ll see. After your earlier comments I looked into Kingman and I think it will be too hot for my taste. But again, we’ll see. With my wife being somewhat disabled I need to provide her a more stable living environment for her. Moving around, or as I say, being dynamic or fluid is not an option at this point. But your new lifestyle sounds like fun to me. We once talked seriously about selling everything and living the mobile lifestyle.
I have never been able to CCW in my lifetime. So again, it will be a new experience for me. That is why I am only considering states that allow me to as well.
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This is a very Oahu centrist site so most people don't appreciate your words about your remoteness on the BI. Good luck.
All things being equal I'd suggest Houston above the flood plain.
Houston? Not sure how long it’s even since you lived there, but from what I’ve heard from a good friend, it’s mostly a $hithole. He’s a detective now with Houston PS, so his opinion probably doesn’t mean much to you. His wife is an EMT, so maybe they’ve seen the worst parts of life there. They live just outside the “bad areas”, so maybe that’s where one must look. He’s lived there most of his life and would move if it wasn’t for his family (family business still there).
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Houston? Not sure how long it’s even since you lived there, but from what I’ve heard from a good friend, it’s mostly a $hithole. He’s a detective now with Houston PS, so his opinion probably doesn’t mean much to you. His wife is an EMT, so maybe they’ve seen the worst parts of life there. They live just outside the “bad areas”, so maybe that’s where one must look. He’s lived there most of his life and would move if it wasn’t for his family (family business still there).
Most of Houston is a sewer, I did not like the weather. But if you stay in the suburbs it is OK.
Excellent medical facilities is why I recommended it. If I were to have to relocate to the mainland
I'd go back to WA state, probably around Ilwaco, but most people could not handle the weather.
WA is a shall issue state, but they are becoming more like Hawaii with stupid gun laws being
passed by the population of a single city, Seattle, that rules the entire state( sound familiar?)
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Most of Houston is a sewer, I did not like the weather. But if you stay in the suburbs it is OK.
Excellent medical facilities is why I recommended it. If I were to have to relocate to the mainland
I'd go back to WA state, probably around Ilwaco, but most people could not handle the weather.
WA is a shall issue state, but they are becoming more like Hawaii with stupid gun laws being
passed by the population of a single city, Seattle, that rules the entire state( sound familiar?)
I used to live in Seattle and then eventually up in Lynnwood and Everett. Ilwaco seems pretty far out there and away from medical. When I was in college, I lived on Pill Hill. Maybe a block away from Providence and others like Harborview were super close.
I’ve only been back once since I moved back to HI, but yeah, Seattle I had very much changed, and not for what I see as the better in many regards.
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I used to live in Seattle and then eventually up in Lynnwood and Everett. Ilwaco seems pretty far out there and away from medical. When I was in college, I lived on Pill Hill. Maybe a block away from Providence and others like Harborview were super close.
I’ve only been back once since I moved back to HI, but yeah, Seattle I had very much changed, and not for what I see as the better in many regards.
Sounds you were at Seattle U? I went there for a year or so. Then you migrated to Boeing
Everett or Fluke.
Ilwaco is out there but close to Portland and not really that far from Seattle's Pill Hill.
You are right Seattle has not changed for the better.
Have a good weekend!
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I just checked my SSA account on their website and it appears that SSA payments should be a good deal for me if I live another 5 years. I am 68 and started collecting in June 2014. I put $192983 in SSA payments during my working years. At the end of this month, I will have received $102171 in SSA payments. My wife, age 62, just started collecting in August. She didn’t work much so her payment on her work record is only $304, but they added spousal benefits off my income of an additional $532, so she gets $836 a month.
Unfortunately for you Gen X and Millennials guys, us Baby Boomers will suck SS dry before you get to collect much, if any, SSA payments. Sorry.
Inspector and anyone else who can collect, do it now is my advice.
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I just checked my SSA account on their website and it appears that SSA payments should be a good deal for me if I live another 5 years. I am 68 and started collecting in June 2014. I put $192983 in SSA payments during my working years. At the end of this month, I will have received $102171 in SSA payments. My wife, age 62, just started collecting in August. She didn’t work much so her payment on her work record is only $304, but they added spousal benefits off my income of an additional $532, so she gets $836 a month.
Unfortunately for you Gen X and Millennials guys, us Baby Boomers will suck SS dry before you get to collect much, if any, SSA payments. Sorry.
Inspector and anyone else who can collect, do it now is my advice.
So next range day, all the baby booomers will give 1 box ammo to us genXers. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Good luck Zippz trying to get this past AARP. People think the NRA is a powrful lobbying group, those people clearly don’t know AARP. ;D
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Inspector and anyone else who can collect, do it now is my advice.
I agree with this 100%. I can’t start for another year+ but as soon as I become 62 I will start. I read somewhere that in 2022 the system will undergo some changes for those who have not started collecting yet. So my starting in 2020 is a defensive move so those changes don’t affect me. I’m very near the end of what is considered a baby boomer. I believe the changes coming in 2022 are designed to effect the Gen Xer’s and beyond.
Besides, I want the ability to retire if I so decide to. My body is telling me sooner rather than later.
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This is a very Oahu centrist site so most people don't appreciate your words about your remoteness on the BI. Good luck.
All things being equal I'd suggest Houston above the flood plain.
TX is not off the table for us. We are still discussing. The only real downside I see about TX is the high property taxes. I get that there is no state sales tax and that between the two taxes I pay something similar here. It just is much more apparent when you have to write that big check once or twice a year.
My wife and I also discussed CO and NM. I told her that CO is not necessarily gun friendly state. She said then CO is out. Considering she is not a fan of my gun hobby, she knows how much it means to me so she supports me. So NM is also a possiblilty. I think right now AZ is our top choice with TX and UT coming in a close second.
Thanks!
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So next range day, all the baby booomers will give 1 box ammo to us genXers. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:shake: :shake: :shake:
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Being off grid/trucking in water is preferable. I think Flagstaff might be too cold for me as well. But I don’t want to live in the heat anymore. I have never lived anywhere it snows before. So it will be a new experience for me. It is still a mild winter there, so we’ll see. After your earlier comments I looked into Kingman and I think it will be too hot for my taste. But again, we’ll see. With my wife being somewhat disabled I need to provide her a more stable living environment for her. Moving around, or as I say, being dynamic or fluid is not an option at this point. But your new lifestyle sounds like fun to me. We once talked seriously about selling everything and living the mobile lifestyle.
I have never been able to CCW in my lifetime. So again, it will be a new experience for me. That is why I am only considering states that allow me to as well.
Take a look at Prescott, AZ. Really nice, has all the amenities, VERY VERY pro 2nd AND Ruger is located there! Been seriously considering a permanent move there. Spent 3 months there after I retired and hated to leave. :shaka:
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Take a look at Prescott, AZ. Really nice, has all the amenities, VERY VERY pro 2nd AND Ruger is located there! Been seriously considering a permanent move there. Spent 3 months there after I retired and hated to leave. :shaka:
Have a former co-worker lives in Prescott and he loves it. Almost too close to Phoenix if the balloon goes up, but the place sounds well armed.
I periodically mention it to my wife, who is adamant about no more moves across the ocean. Tell her she may end up here by herself if she does not want me living in the bush to avoid a gun-grab.
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TX is not off the table for us.
Luckily for us, I spent a few weeks north of Dallas working at E-Systems in the middle of summer.
That was enough to convince me I could not tolerate that climate. Different parts of Tx might be better, but I know from my brother that Houston is far worse.
Dallas area was bad as Florida but without an ocean.
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Take a look at Prescott, AZ. Really nice, has all the amenities, VERY VERY pro 2nd AND Ruger is located there! Been seriously considering a permanent move there. Spent 3 months there after I retired and hated to leave. :shaka:
Actually, we have been looking in Prescott. Mostly due to its closeness to Flagstaff. There is lots of little areas around Flagstaff that look inviting. Jerome is another. Flagstaff has the major medical so we need to be close if we decide to move to this area.
Thanks for the recomendation. :thumbsup:
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Luckily for us, I spent a few weeks north of Dallas working at E-Systems in the middle of summer.
That was enough to convince me I could not tolerate that climate. As bad as Florida but without an ocean.
Yeah, I know. AZ is still at the top of our list. My wife has a hard time dealing with the humidity here at times. I think the drier climate will be more to her liking.
Thanks!
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Yeah, I know. AZ is still at the top of our list. My wife has a hard time dealing with the humidity here at times. I think the drier climate will be more to her liking.
Thanks!
My aunty has a bunch of land in VA and WVA. The humidity there in the summer is bleh. She has a hunting stand on her 10 acre ranch in VA. She doesn’t hunt and has a natural spring pond, so tons of deer just cruise on her property. They know they’re safe there. She has actually considered hunting and said that I could. Last time visited her, the deer let me get pretty close.
If you move to NV, I can visit often. :P
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My aunty has a bunch of land in VA and WVA. The humidity there in the summer is bleh. She has a hunting stand on her 10 acre ranch in VA. She doesn’t hunt and has a natural spring pond, so tons of deer just cruise on her property. They know they’re safe there. She has actually considered hunting and said that I could. Last time visited her, the deer let me get pretty close.
If you move to NV, I can visit often. :P
We intend to visit LV often after we move. We like the big shows. It won’t be tough to coordinate visits. We can go shoot full auto stuff. :thumbsup:
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We intend to visit LV often after we move. We like the big shows. It won’t be tough to coordinate visits. We can go shoot full auto stuff. :thumbsup:
Well, our hui whiffed on our pursuit of both the MegaMillions and Powerball, so won't be retiring any time soon. . . :(
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Well, our hui whiffed on our pursuit of both the MegaMillions and Powerball, so won't be retiring any time soon. . . :(
I was going to ask a friend to buy some tickets for me and I forgot. 😱