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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: drck1000 on November 21, 2018, 12:38:00 PM
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I've long wanted a lever action rifle in .357 Mag to complement my revolver in the at caliber, but I've never really thought of them for self/home defense. Maybe a little when thinking about what long gun I would go with when the prospect of ARs being banned was going around. I've shot lever actions in both .357 Mag/.38 SPL and .44Mag/.44SPL and both are really fun to shoot and even recoil of the .44 Mag seemed quite tame in the lever action. Since it appears that I may be acquiring a lever action rifle soon, I started looking into them more. My wanting a lever action in .357 Mag was for range fun, but I always thought that it could be well suited for self/home defense.
The lever action that I'm looking at acquiring is a Winchester 30-30, which I very much look forward to shooting. A little bit more than a .357 Mag, but I'm sure still pretty effective. ;D
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/05/lifesaving-lever-action-rifles-for-home-defense/ (https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/05/lifesaving-lever-action-rifles-for-home-defense/)
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/lever-action-rifles-for-self-defense/ (https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/lever-action-rifles-for-self-defense/)
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I'd never use a lever action for home defense over any semi-auto rifle. But I definitely want one for shits and giggles! Such a fun gun to play with.
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My train of thought is use what ever you can when SHTF. And don't forget about Murphy. So you might have gun #1, 2, 3, 4 in use for your plan, but once Murphy strikes, you may have to grab that level action.
See below example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcsLaSBWG9k
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I'll take a AR15 and shotgun over a lever action. Lever action is still an effective choice if you train with one.
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1) I'd never use a lever action for home defense over any semi-auto rifle.
2) But I definitely want one for shits and giggles! Such a fun gun to play with.
1) Me neither and would likely choose a handgun over the lever action, but that's mostly because of familiarity. At least for now. My thought process was more along the lines of, well, if I'm getting one, what can I use it for.
2) Hell yes! Even better when shooting someone else's gun. . . and ammo. . . ;D
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I've also frequently considered a lever action, since I love revolvers and cowboy movies, the lever action is appealing to me.
for me personally, I would like a Marlin 1894 in 357 or 44 mag. I like the marlin bc it ejects the brass out the side, not the top, so I could use a scope on it and the brass not hit the scope.
would make a nice pig gun too. although I don't hunt, but maybe one day.
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My train of thought is use what ever you can when SHTF. And don't forget about Murphy. So you might have gun #1, 2, 3, 4 in use for your plan, but once Murphy strikes, you may have to grab that level action.
SNIP
Yeah. In SHTF, use what you got. Not the same thing, but I think back to the scene in Saving Private Ryan where Tom Sizemore and the Nazi ran out of rifle ammo, then pistol, then ended up throwing the gun at him (or something like that).
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I'll take a AR15 and shotgun over a lever action. Lever action is still an effective choice if you train with one.
For me, shotgun and lever action familiarity is about the same level. Come to think of it, I may be acquiring a Benelli Nova shotty soon too. ;D
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I've also frequently considered a lever action, since I love revolvers and cowboy movies, the lever action is appealing to me.
for me personally, I would like a Marlin 1894 in 357 or 44 mag. I like the marlin bc it ejects the brass out the side, not the top, so I could use a scope on it and the brass not hit the scope.
would make a nice pig gun too. although I don't hunt, but maybe one day.
When I used to live in WA state and would go backpacking in the mountains to fish, my dream setup was a lever action and single action revolver in .357 Mag. Ended up going with a semi-auto pistol, but since then, I had always wanted a lever action in .357 Mag. I got a DI revolver a while back, but never got around to the lever action.
I don't intend on hunting with the 30-30, but I know can be very effective. My buddy in Texas has offered to take me up to some ranch land of his and his family and "help" with pest eradication.
The Winchester lever action in .357 Mag with octogonal barrel was my dream gun for a while. Marlin or Henry is more realistic for me these days though.
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Don’t tell Lucas McCain, the rifleman, that a lever gun taint a good choice.... :shake: :rofl: :D
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The thing I like about my lever action is same ammo as my pistolas. .38/.357.
Also it looks like a red rider BB gun. :D ( thing is tiny and handy. Fits easily in a shotgun scabbard)
I got the Rossi model 92.
It is a trip that it launches brass up and back over your head.
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The thing I like about my lever action is same ammo as my pistolas. .38/.357.
Also it looks like a red rider BB gun. :D ( thing is tiny and handy. Fits easily in a shotgun scabbard)
I got the Rossi model 92.
It is a trip that it launches brass up and back over your head.
Same for me. Same ammo for multiple firearms. That and .357 Mag in a rifle is very mild.
Any trouble with your Rossi cycling reliably? I’ve had friends who have had a bunch of problems with their Rossi, but those where in .44 Mag.
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I just don't see any clear advantages for the lever action. An AR15 is easy to shoot and lots of firepower in a small lightweight package. Shotguns are cheap and powerful at short distance. Handguns are compact, you can keep it on you, and can shoot it with one hand.
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I just don't see any clear advantages for the lever action. An AR15 is easy to shoot and lots of firepower in a small lightweight package. Shotguns are cheap and powerful at short distance. Handguns are compact, you can keep it on you, and can shoot it with one hand.
This isn't about what is best, but 1) they are cool
(http://www.replicaweaponry.com/media/catalog/product/j/w/jw304d.jpg)
and to a lesser extent 2) using what firearms you have and adapting to current/practical use.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBFC_x_CgnY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSV8eBjWRjg
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SNIP
"2018 Nerf gun champion!" :rofl:
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https://youtu.be/VY3dTX3aF7o?t=12
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There is no way I'd feel undergunned in a HD/SD situation with a .357 or .44 Lever, unless the bad guys have AR's....
They are light, handy and shoot like a BB gun. I think you'd need more training to be effective with an AR than a lever. IMHO
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https://youtu.be/VY3dTX3aF7o?t=12
Some good info and explanations on the reasonings. Lots of things can certainly be learned from competition shooters that translate well to other shooting disciplines.
There are some folks I’ve seen in the cowboy shooting club that are darn fast with the lever guns!
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I've long wanted a lever action rifle in .357 Mag to complement my revolver in the at caliber, but I've never really thought of them for self/home defense. Maybe a little when thinking about what long gun I would go with when the prospect of ARs being banned was going around. I've shot lever actions in both .357 Mag/.38 SPL and .44Mag/.44SPL and both are really fun to shoot and even recoil of the .44 Mag seemed quite tame in the lever action. Since it appears that I may be acquiring a lever action rifle soon, I started looking into them more. My wanting a lever action in .357 Mag was for range fun, but I always thought that it could be well suited for self/home defense.
The lever action that I'm looking at acquiring is a Winchester 30-30, which I very much look forward to shooting. A little bit more than a .357 Mag, but I'm sure still pretty effective. ;D
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/05/lifesaving-lever-action-rifles-for-home-defense/ (https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/05/lifesaving-lever-action-rifles-for-home-defense/)
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/lever-action-rifles-for-self-defense/ (https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/lever-action-rifles-for-self-defense/)
I’m no expert in the levergun arena. I do own one. It is a Winchester 94 Ranger with 20” barrel in 30-30. I chose the 30-30 over a pistol cartridge because the 94 was designed specifically for the 30-30 cartridge. And the 30-30 is a great hunting round and self defense round. Some day I want to own another levergun in .357/38 just for the fun of shooting it. I guess I’m old school wanting a rifle cartridge in my rifle. BTW, leverguns are lighter, faster and handier from a carry position to a firing position, IMHO. Only downfall to most leverguns are the buckhorn style rear sights. I want to replace mine with an adjustable peep sight. BTW, Winchester made the Trapper model with 16” barrel which I understand is under 6lbs and handles really fast. I’ve never handled one but if it is better than my 20” model, I want one.
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I've long wanted a lever action rifle in .357 Mag to complement my revolver in the at caliber, but I've never really thought of them for self/home defense. Maybe a little when thinking about what long gun I would go with when the prospect of ARs being banned was going around. I've shot lever actions in both .357 Mag/.38 SPL and .44Mag/.44SPL and both are really fun to shoot and even recoil of the .44 Mag seemed quite tame in the lever action. Since it appears that I may be acquiring a lever action rifle soon, I started looking into them more. My wanting a lever action in .357 Mag was for range fun, but I always thought that it could be well suited for self/home defense.
The lever action that I'm looking at acquiring is a Winchester 30-30, which I very much look forward to shooting. A little bit more than a .357 Mag, but I'm sure still pretty effective. ;D
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/05/lifesaving-lever-action-rifles-for-home-defense/ (https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/05/lifesaving-lever-action-rifles-for-home-defense/)
https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/lever-action-rifles-for-self-defense/ (https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/lever-action-rifles-for-self-defense/)
I have a trapper version of a Winchester 30-30. Fairly compact and would be about as good as you will find in terms of moving tactically with a lever action!
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No friggn way, you want light manoverable, quick follow up shots, a lever simply isn't quick or reliable enough to defend my life, and i'd suggest not yours eaither
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I think you'd need more training to be effective with an AR than a lever. IMHO
Wut.
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No friggn way, you want light manoverable, quick follow up shots, a lever simply isn't quick or reliable enough to defend my life, and i'd suggest not yours eaither
Curious why you would say that?
A 16" lever weighs about 6 lbs and has an OAL of around 34", The mechanical action is far less prone to stoppages than any semi-auto, and can be cleared quickly in any case of misfire.
A .357 magnum out of a 16" BBL has more than ample stopping power for bad persons wanting to do harm.
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I have more than 1 HD gun.
1 is an AR, the rest are not. The AR is not my primary weapon bc I can get to my revolver faster. If there's a knock on my door at an odd hour, I can easily stick my snubnose in my pocket or tuck it in my back waistband.
If there's something more alarming, then I'll go to the AR.
The lever gun can have its place in the lineup. Maybe your first choice, maybe your second choice. The 357 caliber is an excellent SD caliber. Even 38sp out of a rifle is plenty stopping power. But with good ammo, the 357 levergun is a very effective SD gun
https://youtu.be/4S3viWVepEs
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I prefer a handgun for SD. Just my personal opinion. But if I decided to use a carbine for SD I would practice with a levergun and not hesitate to use one. With enough practice a short barreled lever would make a great SD weapon.
Right now I have not had enough range time with a leveraction in order to feel comfy using one. So if an emergency came up I wouldn’t hesitate to go to my AR.
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Curious why you would say that?
A 16" lever weighs about 6 lbs and has an OAL of around 34", The mechanical action is far less prone to stoppages than any semi-auto, and can be cleared quickly in any case of misfire.
A .357 magnum out of a 16" BBL has more than ample stopping power for bad persons wanting to do harm.
Maybe its just my firearms experience, we use alot of levers down under, clunky to use in my opinion, if theres a guy within a few yards down a hall way i know i want a semi, thats all there is to it, by the time i've fired a shot racked that thing and re acquired my target his on me. I've got no doubt in my ability to place how ever many shots are required to stop the threat with a semi auto. But thats just me, lever actions belong outside the house and in a big calibre
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Its the unusual situations that make the lever action harder to use without extensive training. Shooting one handed, with a flashlight, cycling the action at odd angles, shooting and cycling on the move under stress... Also the potential of short stroking it under stress. Kinda like a pump shotgun which takes more training to use well under extreme conditions.
There's more that can go wrong compared to an AR. Still effective though. But if you have a lever action and AR will you use the best or 2nd best.
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I’m no expert in the levergun arena. I do own one. It is a Winchester 94 Ranger with 20” barrel in 30-30. I chose the 30-30 over a pistol cartridge because the 94 was designed specifically for the 30-30 cartridge. And the 30-30 is a great hunting round and self defense round. Some day I want to own another levergun in .357/38 just for the fun of shooting it. I guess I’m old school wanting a rifle cartridge in my rifle. BTW, leverguns are lighter, faster and handier from a carry position to a firing position, IMHO. Only downfall to most leverguns are the buckhorn style rear sights. I want to replace mine with an adjustable peep sight. BTW, Winchester made the Trapper model with 16” barrel which I understand is under 6lbs and handles really fast. I’ve never handled one but if it is better than my 20” model, I want one.
Sorry to differ but the 94 was originally a .32-40 Winchester or .38-55 Winchester round.
.32-40 was a popular pistol round. I cleaned up a Parker Ranch model 94( Mfg date 1903)
for a lady who inherited it. She would not take any amount of money for that piece of history.
My opinion is, for inside the home short barrel 12 gauge shot gun like a Mossberg 500,
for outside the home I'd go with a AR, AK, SKS, or M1A,
conceal carry I'd go with a PPK or small frame SIG, open carry I'd go with M1911.
Lever actions are a good brush gun, but repeated time to re-target is way to long
for self defense.
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Sorry to differ but the 94 was originally a .32-40 Winchester or .38-55 Winchester round.
.32-40 was a popular pistol round. I cleaned up a Parker Ranch model 94( Mfg date 1903)
for a lady who inherited it. She would not take any amount of money for that piece of history.
My opinion is, for inside the home short barrel 12 gauge shot gun like a Mossberg 500,
for outside the home I'd go with a AR, AK, SKS, or M1A,
conceal carry I'd go with a PPK or small frame SIG, open carry I'd go with M1911.
Lever actions are a good brush gun, but repeated time to re-target is way to long
for self defense.
I stand corrected. You are right.
I meant to say the most popular cartridge in the ‘94 is the 30-30. If you have one in the earlier cartridges I would hold on to it.
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I’m no expert in the levergun arena. I do own one. It is a Winchester 94 Ranger with 20” barrel in 30-30. I chose the 30-30 over a pistol cartridge because the 94 was designed specifically for the 30-30 cartridge. And the 30-30 is a great hunting round and self defense round. Some day I want to own another levergun in .357/38 just for the fun of shooting it. I guess I’m old school wanting a rifle cartridge in my rifle. BTW, leverguns are lighter, faster and handier from a carry position to a firing position, IMHO. Only downfall to most leverguns are the buckhorn style rear sights. I want to replace mine with an adjustable peep sight. BTW, Winchester made the Trapper model with 16” barrel which I understand is under 6lbs and handles really fast. I’ve never handled one but if it is better than my 20” model, I want one.
I’d have to look closer at the exact model. I just saw Winchester and 30-30. It’s not an octocagonal or hexagonal barrel.
I have an aunt in VA that was gonna give me a Winchester 30-30 with the octagonal barrel when I was 12, but my mom said no. :kickcan:
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No friggn way, you want light manoverable, quick follow up shots, a lever simply isn't quick or reliable enough to defend my life, and i'd suggest not yours eaither
I hear ya. Like many posting in this thread, I have a variety of firearms and a lever action wouldn’t be my first choice for HD/SD. As mentioned previously, my thoughts for this thread was more if you have it, what can you use it for, and HD/SD came to mind for me. I have shot thousands of rounds with ARs and my handguns as compared to maybe a couple hundred with a lever. The discussion of what is best always seems to come up, but that has been beaten to death. For this thread, I’ll just say that for me, I’d go with what I’m most familiar with and for a long gun, that’s an AR with a red dot.
So a lever wouldn’t be the first firearm I’d go for in a HD/SD situation, but I am interested in their capabilities in that application as well as general shooting fun since I’ll be getting one soon.
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Curious why you would say that?
A 16" lever weighs about 6 lbs and has an OAL of around 34", The mechanical action is far less prone to stoppages than any semi-auto, and can be cleared quickly in any case of misfire.
A .357 magnum out of a 16" BBL has more than ample stopping power for bad persons wanting to do harm.
I have more than 1 HD gun.
1 is an AR, the rest are not. The AR is not my primary weapon bc I can get to my revolver faster. If there's a knock on my door at an odd hour, I can easily stick my snubnose in my pocket or tuck it in my back waistband.
If there's something more alarming, then I'll go to the AR.
The lever gun can have its place in the lineup. Maybe your first choice, maybe your second choice. The 357 caliber is an excellent SD caliber. Even 38sp out of a rifle is plenty stopping power. But with good ammo, the 357 levergun is a very effective SD gun
I agree that .357 Mag and even .38 SPL are solid performers for SD/HD. Little pricey for me to really shoot a whole lot, but I wouldn’t feel outgunned if that’s what I’ve got to work with.
We can save the revolver vs semi-auto for the next 2A range day. ;D
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Sorry to differ but the 94 was originally a .32-40 Winchester or .38-55 Winchester round.
.32-40 was a popular pistol round. I cleaned up a Parker Ranch model 94( Mfg date 1903)
for a lady who inherited it. She would not take any amount of money for that piece of history.
My opinion is, for inside the home short barrel 12 gauge shot gun like a Mossberg 500,
for outside the home I'd go with a AR, AK, SKS, or M1A,
conceal carry I'd go with a PPK or small frame SIG, open carry I'd go with M1911.
Lever actions are a good brush gun, but repeated time to re-target is way to long
for self defense.
Repeated tome to target? See the video Heavies posted and watch the cowboy action shooters. They blaze in that regard.
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Its the unusual situations that make the lever action harder to use without extensive training. Shooting one handed, with a flashlight, cycling the action at odd angles, shooting and cycling on the move under stress... Also the potential of short stroking it under stress. Kinda like a pump shotgun which takes more training to use well under extreme conditions.
There's more that can go wrong compared to an AR. Still effective though. But if you have a lever action and AR will you use the best or 2nd best.
Yeah. I hear ya and I agree. The short stroking one is common when shooting faster, under stress, etc. As mentioned, my thoughts were on using lever action, if you have one, in that application. Not as what’s best. But considering the wider audience and varying interested, discussion comparing platforms is good. That said, the “what’s best” has been beaten up and everyone has their own opinions as well as personal preference.
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Friend of mine was shopping for a pig/brush gun and wanted a lever action and considered 30-30 vs 44mag
He ended up getting a marlin 30-30. That's a popular combination
https://youtu.be/PNiDwprzoo4
Or if you need bear defense or bigfoot defense or you're hunting the Predator.....
https://youtu.be/QcFx_IN-n-s
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Friend of mine was shopping for a pig/brush gun and wanted a lever action and considered 30-30 vs 44mag
He ended up getting a marlin 30-30. That's a popular combination
The 30-30 vs 44 mag video was interesting. Love his test on the meat targets! The 50 and 100 yard targets were also pretty impressive and gives a good idea of expected performance. Would LOVE to shoot at a range like that!
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Thanks Stang for all the videos. It took me a while to watch them all. My comments on the .357 Magnum as a SD round are a big :love:, as you already know.
Pennsylvania man kills 679-pound male black bear at 5 yards with .357 handgun: report
https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/man-kills-679-pound-male-black-bear-at-5-yards-with-357-handgun
So seeing the results out of a carbine just reinforces my love for the cartridge and makes me want a leveraction in .357 even more. Before I go out and get one tho, I want to shoot the leveraction I have more to gain better practice with it. Just like shooting a revolver, the hold is a little different, muscle memory is a little different and the buckhorn rear sight is a little different so until I get comfy with all of that I think I’ll wait a bit.
I also have love for the 45-70 round as that is the first really big and heavy projectile cartridge I ever shot. It is an impressive round to say the least. While I don’t own any rifles with that cartridge, I intend to buy one some day as well. My only problem? I can’t decide between a single shot rifle or a leveraction. :rofl:
The Big Horn Armory leveraction in 500 S&W is an impressive piece in and of itself. It is a finely made lever gun. Not only beautiful wood, fit and finish, but has a very smooth action. And full power loads kick like a mule in it. It was very accurate and I can see it as a hunting gun for sure. Especially in bear country. I would not feel insecure in bear country with any gun that shoots that 500 S&W round. I am lucky that an acquaintance let me shoot his, though my shoulder wasn’t happy.
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The 30-30 vs 44 mag video was interesting. Love his test on the meat targets! The 50 and 100 yard targets were also pretty impressive and gives a good idea of expected performance. Would LOVE to shoot at a range like that!
I love comparison videos as long as they compare things equally. This one did a good job I thought. I thought the 100 yard to 200 yard comparison pretty drastic. I was not expecting the 44 Magnum to drop that much. My friend’s 44 magnum Marlin bangs our gong pretty good at 100 yards.
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running a 357 levergun through a rifle qualification course for Ohio LEO's usually used for AR rifles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcUoGQIST1U
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running a 357 levergun through a rifle qualification course for Ohio LEO's usually used for AR rifles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcUoGQIST1U
Another good one, thanks!
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Thanks Stang for all the videos. It took me a while to watch them all. My comments on the .357 Magnum as a SD round are a big :love:, as you already know.
Pennsylvania man kills 679-pound male black bear at 5 yards with .357 handgun: report
https://www.foxnews.com/great-outdoors/man-kills-679-pound-male-black-bear-at-5-yards-with-357-handgun
So seeing the results out of a carbine just reinforces my love for the cartridge and makes me want a leveraction in .357 even more. Before I go out and get one tho, I want to shoot the leveraction I have more to gain better practice with it. Just like shooting a revolver, the hold is a little different, muscle memory is a little different and the buckhorn rear sight is a little different so until I get comfy with all of that I think I’ll wait a bit.
I also have love for the 45-70 round as that is the first really big and heavy projectile cartridge I ever shot. It is an impressive round to say the least. While I don’t own any rifles with that cartridge, I intend to buy one some day as well. My only problem? I can’t decide between a single shot rifle or a leveraction. :rofl:
The Big Horn Armory leveraction in 500 S&W is an impressive piece in and of itself. It is a finely made lever gun. Not only beautiful wood, fit and finish, but has a very smooth action. And full power loads kick like a mule in it. It was very accurate and I can see it as a hunting gun for sure. Especially in bear country. I would not feel insecure in bear country with any gun that shoots that 500 S&W round. I am lucky that an acquaintance let me shoot his, though my shoulder wasn’t happy.
Put the .357 Mag lever action on your wishlist with the wifey! ;D I was browsing websites looking for one this morning. While they are available, the ones that I want either aren't in stock or places like Academy have them, but only in store purchase. I was serious about ordering one maybe 4-5 years ago. During that time, I had a couple of LGS searching and they couldn't find one. They are available, but usually the "premium" that are like $200-300 more than the base models that I want. Anyways, let me know when you get yours and I'll help you break it in.
You and the black powder guys love them larger caliber guns. I think it was the 45-120 and another 45-elephantgunsize that were pretty darn impressive. ;D
I love comparison videos as long as they compare things equally. This one did a good job I thought. I thought the 100 yard to 200 yard comparison pretty drastic. I was not expecting the 44 Magnum to drop that much. My friend’s 44 magnum Marlin bangs our gong pretty good at 100 yards.
I like his methods and thought process for comparing different guns. Like he and you mention, it's tough to get a true apples and apples comparison. Even in semi-autos, folks automatically think proj weight is everything, but l like that he knows that velocity plays a bigger factor in energy. It's all the years of physics from school.
If money was more free flowing, I'd expand to a .44 Mag revolver and lever action too. I don't particularly enjoy .44 Mag revolvers, especially in the shorter barreled guns, but the lever actions are super mild.
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running a 357 levergun through a rifle qualification course for Ohio LEO's usually used for AR rifles
SNIP
That was a pretty cool video! :thumbsup:
I was wondering about if the course of fire included a reload (it did) and how he would do it. That certainly looked challenging. The left handed probably would have made me at least take my time.
A good friend is a det with a smaller PD just outside Houston. I've shot their qualifications for handgun, carbine and shotgun. I've also shot their handgun one with a revolver, which I sucked. He's actually tried to qualify with a revolver as they still allow officers to carry revolvers. They allow officers to carry from a list of approved firearms and it's a pretty wide range. He ended up qualifying with a revolver, but it was interesting to watch.
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Lever Action Rifles for Self Defense
(duelist1954)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laGgH8p7XHU
This guy is a dead ringer for a "bigger brother" of a member here. Not only appearance, but also preferences and thoughts about firearms.
This video is more "talking story" than on performance and other information, but some good points he discusses.
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Lever Action Rifles for Self Defense
(duelist1954)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laGgH8p7XHU
This guy is a dead ringer for a "bigger brother" of a member here. Not only appearance, but also preferences and thoughts about firearms.
This video is more "talking story" than on performance and other information, but some good points he discusses.
lol
they all look alike to me
heads
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lol
they all look alike to me
heads
All us Haoles look alike. :oops: :oops: :oops:
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https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/henry-big-boy-steel-lever-action-357-magnum-38-special-20-barrel-101-rounds?a=1818993 (https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/henry-big-boy-steel-lever-action-357-magnum-38-special-20-barrel-101-rounds?a=1818993)
https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/winchester-1873-short-rifle-lever-action-357-magnum-38-special-20-barrel-101-rounds?a=1802569 (https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/winchester-1873-short-rifle-lever-action-357-magnum-38-special-20-barrel-101-rounds?a=1802569)
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/85246/Firearms/Rifles/Winchester/Winchester+Guns+534200137+1873+Short+Rifle+Lever+357+Magnum+ (https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/85246/Firearms/Rifles/Winchester/Winchester+Guns+534200137+1873+Short+Rifle+Lever+357+Magnum+)
Quite tempting. . .
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lol
they all look alike to me
heads
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All us Haoles look alike. :oops: :oops: :oops:
Main differences are:
1) hair color
2) if they even have hair on their head
:rofl:
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Main differences are:
1) hair color
2) if they even have hair on their head
:rofl:
I have hair on my head. One or two. But they are a lovely shade of gray. O0 O0 O0
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Lever Action Rifles for Self Defense
(duelist1954)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laGgH8p7XHU
This guy is a dead ringer for a "bigger brother" of a member here. Not only appearance, but also preferences and thoughts about firearms.
This video is more "talking story" than on performance and other information, but some good points he discusses.
I wonder what the diameter of his gong is at 200 yards? Whatever it is, anyone who can hit out to 200 yards offhand with buckhorn style sights is outstanding in my book. :worship:
He came up with some strong arguments for the levergun. If you practice enough to operate the lever without having to leave your shoulder I see his point. Not much difference in speed. I don’t have a lot of experience with levers yet. I’ll let you know how my practice sessions go.
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I wonder what the diameter of his gong is at 200 yards? Whatever it is, anyone who can hit out to 200 yards offhand with buckhorn style sights is outstanding in my book. :worship:
He came up with some strong arguments for the levergun. If you practice enough to operate the lever without having to leave your shoulder I see his point. Not much difference in speed. I don’t have a lot of experience with levers yet. I’ll let you know how my practice sessions go.
I miss the steel that used to be scattered all over the rifle range. That was one of my favorite things to shoot. The chest size plates were something I would shoot often with ARs with red dot as well as irons. Was my method of verifying after zeroing on paper. Too bad they don’t allow lever actions in pistol calibers in the silhouette range.
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Another good one, thanks!
Years ago when I was in the Air Force I was required to certify yearly using the security police
(SP)standards. I was not an SP, but my world wide mobility status required a certain level of competency
with a rifle in a variety of positions, handedness, and use of cover, all timed by an instructor.
This video is a joke! If that is all cops have to do, no wonder
they "spray and pray". You could almost use a bolt action rifle and do just as well.
I can cycle my P1917 PDQ.
Admittedly I was in the military and not
playing cops and bandit, but really, things in the real world are
not that nice and clean.
Cops scare me.
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Years ago when I was in the Air Force I was required to certify yearly using the security police
(SP)standards. I was not an SP, but my world wide mobility status required a certain level of competency
with a rifle in a variety of positions, handedness, and use of cover, all timed by an instructor.
This video is a joke! If that is all cops have to do, no wonder
they "spray and pray". You could almost use a bolt action rifle and do just as well.
I can cycle my P1917 PDQ.
Admittedly I was in the military and not
playing cops and bandit, but really, things in the real world are
not that nice and clean.
Cops scare me.
.
It is well known that police are woefully under trained in the use of their firearms. Which like you said is the reason they have to fire 15 rounds to score one hit. I have no formal training so I can’t say I would do any better given the same circumstances.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xyprgNu5c&t=40s
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Looks super cool, but anything not semi-auto for home defense is a no go for me.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjPSXozkWFc
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Looks super cool, but anything not semi-auto for home defense is a no go for me.
if you get it chambered in 45/70, it'll only take one round to do the job. ;)
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Will be adding a 30-30 to the collection soon. Believe it's a blued Winchester. I'm still down for a .357 Mag level action, but been focused on a couple of AR builds as well as some new handguns. I knew once I broke the RapBack seal, that this would happen. :oops:
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if you get it chambered in 45/70, it'll only take one round to do the job. ;)
Sounds like what the 45 guys tell the 9mm guys.
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Lever action, bolt action, even a falling block action single shot. Holding ANY gun is way better than just holding your boto.
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Lever action, bolt action, even a falling block action single shot. Holding ANY gun is way better than just holding your boto.
That's Mac. . . since he doesn't own any firearms, ammo, or reloading equipment. . . just has his junk. . . :crazy: :rofl:
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That's Mac. . . since he doesn't own any firearms, ammo, or reloading equipment. . . just has his junk. . . :crazy: :rofl:
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