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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on January 17, 2019, 10:32:19 AM
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https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=25&year=2019
Emailed my rep who introduced and called Brower's office. Receptionist said HIFICO already called and asked if I was a member/director.
Thanks HIFICO for being proactive, and the bill was just introduced yesterday.
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Another bill introduced without thinking. No more hunting trips to Lanai and Molokai unless you have friends or family there.
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Another bill introduced without thinking. No more hunting trips to Lanai and Molokai unless you have friends or family there.
Tell them to call also. Idk any hunters.
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has there been there a run of hotel room shootings that I'm not aware of?
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It's quite the popular bill. Sixteen reps are signed on as "introduced by". that's 31% of the House. I don't recall seeing any bills last session with that many co-sponsors.
BROWER, HASHEM, HASHIMOTO, HOLT, KOBAYASHI, LOWEN, MORIKAWA, NAKAMURA, NAKASHIMA, NISHIMOTO, OHNO, QUINLAN, SAN BUENAVENTURA, SAY, TAKAYAMA, TAKUMI
has there been there a run of hotel room shootings that I'm not aware of?
You make the same mistake I do of expecting to find some rational, logical and/or evidence-based rationale for legislation that is introduced re firearms. :shaka:
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has there been there a run of hotel room shootings that I'm not aware of?
if it only saves one life...
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Here are the email addresses of the co-sponsors of the bill in case anyone besides me want to write them and ask
"What the fuck?" "Could you please tell me the rationale and evidence upon which this bill is claimed to enhance public safety?"
repbrower@Capitol.hawaii.gov, rephashem@Capitol.hawaii.gov, rephashimoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repholt@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repkobayashi@Capitol.hawaii.gov, replowen@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repmorikawa@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repnakamura@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repnakashima@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repnishimoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repohno@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repquinlan@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repsanbuenaventura@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repsay@Capitol.hawaii.gov, reptakayama@Capitol.hawaii.gov, reptakumi@Capitol.hawaii.gov
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Besides the 2nd amendment violations this affects
Hunters traveling from the mainland and interisland
Competitive shooters traveling interisland
Leosa
Shooters traveling for training courses
Firearms instructors
Gun exhibitors and salesmen from the mainland
Armed guards
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https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=25&year=2019
Emailed my rep who introduced and called Brower's office. Receptionist said HIFICO already called and asked if I was a member/director.
Thanks HIFICO for being proactive, and the bill was just introduced yesterday.
Thanks for taking the initiative. It does have a lot of cosponsors which means they like this bill and want to push it through. I'm hoping they realize how many people are affected and trash it early so we can spend our resources on other stuff.
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Besides the 2nd amendment violations this affects
Hunters traveling from the mainland and interisland
Competitive shooters traveling interisland
Leosa
Shooters traveling for training courses
Firearms instructors
Gun exhibitors and salesmen from the mainland
Armed guards
LEO's from the mainland, since they are also not allowed to carry outside their hotel rooms.
Hale Koa hotel on Wakiki for military members. Father was an MP and we stayed there when I was a kid
Pelosi's entourage on the Big Island.
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Forgot to add incoming PCS Military in temporary lodging.
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Besides the 2nd amendment violations this affects
Hunters traveling from the mainland and interisland
Competitive shooters traveling interisland
Leosa
Shooters traveling for training courses
Firearms instructors
Gun exhibitors and salesmen from the mainland
Armed guards
LEOSA is exempted, as are all the other categories exempted from the other laws about handgun mags over 10 rounds, etc. It is the exact same wording, they just copied it from that section 134-11.
I already got back one response:
-A rationale 'page', which I don't have, was attached to this bill and mentioned the mass shooting in Las Vegas couple yrs ago, the deadliest in US history, many hundreds injured by gunfire and many hundreds more injured by human stampede [evidence, I don't have death and injury count for this shooting...but big numbers], etc. ; there is/was on fake news internet, that this shooting did not occur and is fake news.
--I can probably get this rationale page if you want.
--The prime introducer represents Waikiki, where there are many big events, gatherings, parades which might lend to the scenario of Las Vegas shooting. Waikiki hotels are concerned about gun violence and might be the behind-the-scenes initiator of this bill, don't know.
/bert kobayashi
State Representative
Diamond Head, Kahala, Kaimuki, Kapahulu
586-6310
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If "one time" events are going to be the rationale for laws to ban things... pretty sure no one will ever be allowed to have a gun, knife, car, hammer, gasoline, matches, swimming pools, etc. ever again. I wonder why they only apply that "logic" to guns? Go figure.
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LEOSA is exempted, as are all the other categories exempted from the other laws about handgun mags over 10 rounds, etc. It is the exact same wording, they just copied it from that section 134-11.
be the behind-the-scenes initiator of this bill, don't know.
The Leosa law only prevents restrictions to having a carry permit and ammunition. It doesn't override state laws on place restrictions and magazines.
Other states local law enforcement officers aren't law enforcement when coming across state borders unless agreements are made. So those states without agreements will be affected by this law. Unless Hawaii has agreements with all states. Guess that's a FOIA thing. But it would still affect LEs on vacation and those retired.
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Oh or course! I did not think of that. Now with this law in place, a suicidal shooter would not sneak his 40 guns into his hotel room to legally murder hundreds of people (I think, I cant remember if murder is also illegal in Hawaii). He'll probably just go play mini golf instead.
I hope they also secure all hotel guests with hand and wrist cuffs with bright orange jump suits. They need bars on all windows to stop a shooting as well (or replace all the windows with solid steel)
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Just emailed all backers of this proposed bill, 181 views at the time of this post. If even half of the people who cruised this post emailed them it could be a big enough push for our
overlords legislators to reconsider.The time for being content with our rights being pissed away is over. Let's do this, if backlash is what concerns you I'm sure we are already on the shit list so what could it hurt. :thumbsup:
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https://www.staradvertiser.com/2018/05/11/breaking-news/police-fbi-seize-ammo-guns-from-man-in-waikiki-hotel/
I think this is the event that predicated the bill.
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but you can smoke some 420 in your rooms! :shaka:
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Lots of people are riled up on facebook too. Hope the reps got lots of calls and emails. They must be wondering what the hell happened, it's only the 2nd day of the session.
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This is HIFICO's official repose, (DRAFT) that is being sent out to all the sponsors of this bill.
We write to you today, to ask for your reconsideration on your sponsorship of HB25 in this 2019 legislative session.
Measure Title: RELATING TO PUBLIC SAFETY.
Report Title: Firearms; Hotel Rooms
Description: Prohibits any person, including a hotel guest, from storing, keeping, carrying, or possessing any firearm or ammunition in any hotel room assigned to a guest with certain exceptions.
We, Hawaii Firearms Coalition, understand that many bills, good and bad, may be brought to you for your attention and sponsorship which you may feel the need to act on, on behalf of your constituents. However, in your action of sponsoring HB25, you may have acted erroneously. We want to inform you that this bill is not only poor in scope but is vastly unconstitutional.
We have been led to believe that the cover letter included with the request of your sponsorship used the shooting in Las Vegas as the justification of its need. The criminal in this case ignored the laws against murder and assault to commit the shooting in Las Vegas. Surely, a law prohibiting the possession of firearm in the hotel room would also have been ignored. A law prohibiting firearms may even provide a false sense of security that such action could not possibly happen because firearms are not allowed in the hotel. Thus, causing people to ignore or dismiss warning signs.
Within regard to the constitutionality of implementing a ban, the subject of whether a firearm may be kept in a temporary dwelling has been addressed previously in the 9th circuit court of appeals, in the case MORRIS v. U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. This case looked at a ban on the possession of firearms by campers staying in tents on Army Corp of Engineers property. In this case, the court found that as Heller finds the right to bear arms is protected within the home, a tent is as much like a home and that it is equally protected.
“No court has identified those core rights comprehensively. But one core right was described by the Supreme Court: The right of a law-abiding individual to possess a handgun in his home for self-defense. District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 128 S. Ct. 2783, 171 L. Ed. 2d 637 (2008). In addressing the need for self-defense in the home, the Supreme Court held that the home is "where the need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute." Id. at 628.
The same analysis applies to a tent. While often temporary, a tent is more importantly a place — just like a home — where a person withdraws from public view, and seeks privacy and security for himself and perhaps also for his family and/or his property. Indeed, a typical home at the time the Second Amendment was passed was cramped and drafty with a dirt floor — more akin to a large tent than a modern home. Americans in 1791 — the year the Second Amendment was ratified — were probably more apt to see a tent as a home than we are today. Heller, 554 U.S. at 605 (holding that "public understanding" at time of ratification [**7] is "critical tool of constitutional interpretation"). Moreover, under Fourth Amendment analysis, "tents are protected . . . like a more permanent structure," and are deemed to be "more like a house than a car." U.S. v. Gooch, 6 F.3d 673 (9th Cir. 1993). The privacy concerns of the Fourth Amendment carry over well into the Second Amendment's security concerns “
Therefore, since a tent is equally protected as a home, as stated above. We feel a hotel room would be equally protected and any such infringement on that right by a government entity would also be unconstitutional.
Another case we would like to bring to your attention, with regards to HB25, is: Stoner v. California; heard in the Supreme Court of the United States. This case stated police obtained consent from a hotel clerk to search a guest’s room and used the search as grounds to make an arrest. Here, the court found “that (the) defendant had a reasonable expectation of privacy in his hotel room and that the hotel clerk did not have authority to give permission to the officers to search defendant's room.”
The court found that the hotel room is equally protected by the guests' 4th Amendment Rights as any other dwelling that they occupy. As such, the police could not conduct a search based on the hotel worker's consent. When a room is rented it becomes the persons domicile or place of sojourn.
Both these cases show that constitutionally protected rights apply equally to hotel rooms and other temporary dwellings as they would within the home. We respectfully ask that you reconsider your sponsorship of HB25 and openly withdraw your support from this bill. We also ask that you move to withdraw this bill from this legislative session.
Hotels are already able to prohibit the possession of firearms on their property through hotel policy as such no law is required. The law would only serve to effect law abiding citizens and would have implications on visitors to the state as well as local residents. Hawaii offers different hunting environments and animals across the island chain and many residents and tourists travel with firearms to hunt. Many people travel to Lanai, for example, to hunt Axis deer, with Lanai having the largest free ranging population of axis deer in the world. With this law being in effect, this hunting could not continue and would negatively affect the environment and financial wellbeing on the island as well as the state in general.
We thank you for taking the time to read the provided information and hope that it has enlightened you to the situation at hand. We, again, respectfully request that you retract your sponsorship of this bill, and request that you make efforts to end its consideration in this legislative session.
If you have any questions regarding the included information and/or firearms information in general, you are more than welcome to contact us via the information below. We look forward to hearing your response to our request.
Kind Regards,
Hawaii Firearms Coalition
info@hifico.org
P. O. Box 283018
Honolulu, HI 96826
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Well said gentlemen. Keep up the great work!
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has there been there a run of hotel room shootings that I'm not aware of?
Well, that clown Deedy had several in his hotel safe according to his pal.
He ended up shooting someone.
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PLEASE MAKE SURE TO DO YOUR PART : e-mail these legislators and let them know we will not stand by and let them pass stupid gun laws.
repbrower@Capitol.hawaii.gov, rephashem@Capitol.hawaii.gov, rephashimoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repholt@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repkobayashi@Capitol.hawaii.gov, replowen@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repmorikawa@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repnakamura@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repnakashima@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repnishimoto@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repohno@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repquinlan@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repsay@Capitol.hawaii.gov, reptakayama@Capitol.hawaii.gov, reptakumi@Capitol.hawaii.gov
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Another valid point bought to us from a concerned Hawaii resident.
"Good afternoon just wanted to touch bases and add a comment to the stupidity of the no guns at a hotel law. 24 hours ago I had to stay in a hotel because my building is being fumigated do they expect me to leave my guns at home in my safe while the doors are open and unlocked to allow the fumigator to do there job? No I took them with me this would have meant I would have to have slept in my car in my parking lot if I could not get a hotel room."
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Comments on khon2 fb page, 99% think itd stupid. Of only lawmakers listened to the people...
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Here's a draft of what I want to send. I'll hold it for a day or so, look for typos and such.
Aloha all,
I am writing you because of your participation in forwarding HB25. This law, which would prohibit the possession of firearms in hotel rooms, is poorly considered. Although you have included exemptions for numerous categories of peoples, I can't help but think you've overlooked a large number of legitimate reasons why people should be allowed possession of firearms in hotels. Here are a few examples for your consideration:
The temporarily unhomed.
Homeowners and renters are sometimes called upon to vacate their dwellings for short periods of time. Examples of this may include fumigation, construction, fire damage, natural disasters, or neighborhood emergencies, to name a few. I, myself, have been forced to vacate my place of residence once for fumigation and once for renovations. Is it more desirable to leave firearms unattended in an empty dwelling where other people, unknown people, have free access? I take reasonable precautions to secure my firearms, but such precautions would be meaningless to a construction worker, fumigation technician, or simple burglar who had unrestricted access over a period of days.
Hunters
It is commonplace for hunters in Hawaii to travel interisland. Not all have friends or family on the neighbor islands; many stay in hotels. This interisland commerce is valuable to the local economies, and a time-honored aspect of life in the Hawaiian islands. Additionally, hunters from the mainland do travel here to hunt. Again, not all have friends or relations here, and must stay in hotels. This represents a boon to the state's economy and primary business of tourism.
Competitive shooters
As with hunters, competitive shooters travel between islands to participate in events. Their hotel stays, car rentals, dining, and other expenditures are the lifeblood of the islands' local economies. Mainlanders also travel here to compete, bringing those mainland dollars into the state.
Shooters seeking training
There are numerous reasons why shooters seek training. Simply being a responsible gun owner drives many of us. A desire to enhance our skills, whether for competition or hunting, is also common. Firearms classes in Hawaii are sadly few in number, and travel to a neighbor island is required for many. If staying in a hotel room is not an option, many people whose sole desire is to be a more responsible, safer citizen will be forced to abstain from those training opportunities.
Firearms instructors
As an NRA-certified Training Counselor, I have traveled to neighbor islands to offer classes in basic firearms use. These are classes required under Hawaii law, and classes which I believe are an essential part of any gun owner's lifestyle. There are few of us trainers in Hawaii, and we do need to travel in order to share out expertise. Instructors from the mainland also travel here to help supplement the gaps in the offerings available. They, too, rely on hotels in order to help provide opportunities for responsible gun owners to enhance their skills and safety awareness.
There are doubtless others that haven't occurred to me, but you can clearly see that any ban on hotels will have a negative effect on a large number of people whose only sin is being a law-abiding citizen.
Surely you are aware that any hotel has the right to enact its own policies regarding the people who stay there and what they may bring. The management of any hotel is already free to impose a ban on firearms; no hotel is being forced into a position.
As I see it, this law will serve to:
-diminish interisland travel
-diminish tourism
-reduce the level of training by gun-owners
Please reconsider.
I am available if you would like to talk. Please don't hesitate to contact me, either via email, or by phone. My number is...
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Here's a draft of what I want to send. I'll hold it for a day or so, look for typos and such.
Aloha all,
Please reconsider.
I am available if you would like to talk. Please don't hesitate to contact me, either via email, or by phone. My number is...
Tom could you please mention military being stationed in Hawaii often have to live in Hotel,accomodation for 2-3 months until suitable housing is found.
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Tom could you please mention military being stationed in Hawaii often have to live in Hotel,accomodation for 2-3 months until suitable housing is found.
There's an exemption for military, but only if while and if their job requires them to be armed. Do the families also live in hotels while awaiting housing? How's this:
Military
Members of the military, as well as their families, often spend months in hotels while awaiting more suitable housing. While the bill provides an exemption for the military, it is only "while in the performance of their respective duties if those duties require them to be armed." This says nothing of military members while off duty and forced to live in a hotel, nor of those whose duties don't require them to be armed but are gun owners and forced to live in a hotel, nor of their families who are forced to live in a hotel. This becomes a de facto gun ban on the members and families of the armed forces who find themselves transferred here.
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There's an exemption for military, but only if while and if their job requires them to be armed. Do the families also live in hotels while awaiting housing? How's this:
Military
Members of the military, as well as their families, often spend months in hotels while awaiting more suitable housing. While the bill provides an exemption for the military, it is only "while in the performance of their respective duties if those duties require them to be armed." This says nothing of military members while off duty and forced to live in a hotel, nor of those whose duties don't require them to be armed but are gun owners and forced to live in a hotel, nor of their families who are forced to live in a hotel. This becomes a de facto gun ban on the members and families of the armed forces who find themselves transferred here.
Looks great
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I just reached out to a lot of major hunting platforms, and Steve Rinella's organization MeatEater just replied that they will be looking at the bill and going from there.
If this can reach individuals like Joe Rogan, Adam Greentree and Cameron Hanes, who constantly highlight the hunting of axis deer here in Hawaii, it will bring iin the support of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of hunters who could help oppose this bill.
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https://www.facebook.com/hificoorg/videos/234552924097617/
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In case anyone needs this data:
https://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/subpages/licenseinfo/Natl%20Hunting%20License%20Report%202018.pdf
734 non-resident hunting licenses in 2018. $95 each
That's a lot of guns needing to be kept in cars since they wont be allowed in hotel rooms (or $77,000 less dollars a year to the state because who would want to travel here, bring your guns, and be required to keep them in your car)
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In case anyone needs this data:
https://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/subpages/licenseinfo/Natl%20Hunting%20License%20Report%202018.pdf
734 non-resident hunting licenses in 2018. $95 each
That's a lot of guns needing to be kept in cars since they wont be allowed in hotel rooms (or $77,000 less dollars a year to the state because who would want to travel here, bring your guns, and be required to keep them in your car)
You can’t keep your guns in your car that’s illegal
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I got a response from Rep. Nadine Nakamura:
All good points. Thanks for educating me and seeing all points of view. Mahalo nui loa!
That's encouraging!
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You can’t keep your guns in your car that’s illegal
Would there be a legal way to bring a rifle to Hawaii to hunt temporarily if you do not know a local and have to stay in a hotel?
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Would there be a legal way to bring a rifle to Hawaii to hunt temporarily if you do not know a local and have to stay in a hotel?
If HB25 were to pass, I'm kinda thinking the answer is "no."
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I got a response from Rep. Nadine Nakamura:
That's encouraging!
Not really, I emailed her saying I had a hunting trip to Lanai planned late in the year and a non-refundable deposit for one of the Axis Deer hunting guide groups and will be staying at the Lodge at Koele asking if hunting trips will be exempt. Her reply was "thanks for educating me, Mahalo"
So no, she isnt reading the emails, just placating the little people she does not care about.
never trust a politician.
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So no, she isnt reading the emails, just placating the little people she does not care about.
never trust a politician.
The reps are busy getting ready for committee hearings so it's difficult to talk or see them for the next month or two. This is why it's important to see them a few times prior to the legislature starting to give your general thoughts about the 2a and build that relationship so they'll stop to talk with you durring the session.
Making an appointment to see them is the best way to get the point accross.
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The reps are busy getting ready for committee hearings so it's difficult to talk or see them for the next month or two. This is why it's important to see them a few times prior to the legislature starting to give your general thoughts about the 2a and build that relationship so they'll stop to talk with you durring the session.
Making an appointment to see them is the best way to get the point accross.
The only reason I'd fly to Oahu to meet a politician is if you guys have brought out the guillotines :D
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The only reason I'd fly to Oahu to meet a politician is if you guys have brought out the guillotines :D
Guillotines are icky.
You can see your reps at local Town Halls once in a while if you get on their email list
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Even if 90% of those they “represent “ was against their viewpoint, they are going to vote the way they want because they feel they know what is “good” for us and we are too stupid to know any better.
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Tom Brower response:
Thank you for expressing your concerns about House Bill 25 (guns in hotel rooms). Link: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=25&year=2019
To summarize your concerns, your emails stated that this bill would infringe on your 2nd amendment rights and your ability to protect yourselves in your hotel rooms, it would be difficult to enforce, and it wouldn't be effective because criminals do not follow laws. You were concerned about how it would affect people flying in from neighbor islands to hunt, travelling law enforcement from other states, retired law enforcement, participants of gun competitions, firearms instructors, armed guards, flight attendants, and the temporarily un-homed (due to renovations, construction, fumigation, etc.).
I introduced this public safety measure to prohibit people from storing, keeping, carrying or possessing any firearm or ammunition in any hotel room assigned to a guest.
There are exemptions for:
state and county law enforcement officers
members of the armed forces
mail carriers
regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive weapons from the United States or from the State
persons employed by the State or United States while in the performance of their respective duties or while going to and from their respective places of duty if those duties require them to be armed
police officers on official assignment in Hawaii from any state which by compact permits police officers from Hawaii while on official assignment in that state to carry firearms without registration.
For more information about this last point, please visit: https://ag.hawaii.gov/cjd/files/2013/01/LEOSA-guideline-for-QLEO-926B.pdf
Keep in mind that many bills introduced do not become law. Should this bill get scheduled for a hearing, myself and other legislators will be open to amendments (changes) that could include:
restrict to counties with a population greater than 500,000 people
have hotels designate a safe to store firearms. "Safe possession."
Please let me know what you think and if you have additional amendment suggestions.
Some background on why I introduced this bill:
Last year, a local man claiming to be a federal agent was found in a Waikiki hotel room with multiple weapons and ammunition. Had it not been for someone reporting him to the FBI based on his disturbing social media content, this situation could have ended badly. Because the firearms were legally registered and he had not committed a crime, he was not arrested.
(For more information, please read the news stories, below.)
I am concerned that too often, government waits until a tragedy happens before it takes steps to address a situation and I wanted to start a conversation on how we can make Hawaii safe from unnecessary violence.
It is not my intention to prohibit licensed possession; I am advocating for safe possession.
Mahalo,
Tom Brower
State Representative, Waikiki
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Here are two news stories:
KHON, May 2018: Man found with multiple weapons and ammunition in a Waikiki hotel room may not get arrested
https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/man-found-with-multiple-weapons-and-ammunition-in-a-waikiki-hotel-room-may-not-get-arrested/1179446862
(STORY TEXT)
The man found in a Waikiki hotel room with multiple weapons and ammunition remains in the hospital undergoing an evaluation. The FBI asked the Honolulu Police Department to check on a Honolulu resident after a Facebook private message exchange prompted a friend to contact federal investigators. Sources say the friend told the FBI the man said he was a "federal agent" on a "mission to take out terrorists."
On Thursday, police tracked down the 33-year-old man at the Equus Hotel in Waikiki. Upon entering his hotel room, police discovered multiple guns, knives, nearly 800 rounds of ammunition, and multiple bottles of medication. The firearms were legally registered. The man has not been arrested. According to University of Hawaii at Manoa law professor Ken Lawson, it could stay that way. "What the law is saying is, he hasn't taken a substantial step to commit a crime yet. So he's in lawful possession of his weapons, in a lawful place, it isn't enough to make the arrest. So then the question comes back to: well, what do you have to wait for? To point the gun at somebody, almost pull the trigger, and then arrest him?"
Lawson referenced last year's mass shooting, where Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock shot and killed 58 people from his room at the Mandalay Bay. "We see what happened in Las Vegas. Somebody loads up automatic weapons and points it out the window. It's becoming an all too common an occurrence." The case may be handed to the prosecutor's office. Lawson says it could be a case that centers around the man's claims he is a federal agent sent to "take out terrorists." "It's really fact sensitive. I think you could argue that, especially in this climate of fear. But I still think legally it's not enough."
HNN, May 2018: Police find large weapons cache in Waikiki raid prompted by disturbing online posts
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38173826/police-find-large-weapons-cache-in-waikiki-raid-prompted-by-disturbing-online-posts/
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The FBI and Honolulu police are investigating after finding a large cache of loaded weapons during a raid of a Waikiki hotel room that sources say was prompted by disturbing posts on social media. The arsenal included a high-powered rifle, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and an assortment of other weapons. But the man staying in the room wasn't arrested. The FBI notified Honolulu police Thursday about a guest in room 803 at the Equus Hotel, saying he was claiming to be a federal agent in disturbing posts on social media. The 38-year old claimed his mission was to hunt terrorist cells. When police arrived at the Equus on Ala Moana Boulevard, sources say, they found an arsenal:
• An AR-15, and 15 high-capacity magazines — all loaded.
• A shotgun and two handguns.
• A total of more than 800 rounds of ammunition, plus 18 military styles knives and body armor.
The weapons were legally registered to the man, and having them in his room was also legal. "There was no danger," said Mike Dailey, manager at the hotel. "The gentlemen was here. He was a guest staying here. He left and then there was an FBI and police investigation." Sources say that police did find psychiatric medication in the room, allowing them to seize the cache until a mental health evaluation can be completed. He was taken to a hospital for that. "He had a room here and they're looking at the stuff in his room," Dailey said. "I don't know that there are any weapons. I think you'll have to talk to the police about that." The man has been living in Hawaii for about three years in a Makiki apartment, but had only been staying a the hotel for a few days. If he is deemed mentally fit, he could get his weapons back.
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Tom Brower was the guy that got into a fight with the homeless guy and smashing up some shopping carts?
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24003737/lawmaker-hammers-home-his-homeless-solution/
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Despite his anti-2a stance, I have called his office for the bums around the Kakaako area (UFC Gym). And within 1-2 days of me calling, they get cleared out. But then they come back a month later. And I call his office again, and once more 1-2 days later, they're removed.
So he does some good stuff.
It's not safe for a girl to park on the street around UFC Gym and walk to and from their cars in sports bra and booty shorts.
*Inb4 you pervs gonna go watch now.
My friend who's a huge black bodybuilder was stabbed by a crazy lady in that area outside the gym with a screwdriver. So it shows even if you one scary looking mutha, crackhead still gonna mess with you. She wasn't trying to rob him either, just tripping out.
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Tom Brower response:
"Thank you for expressing your concerns about House Bill 25 (guns in hotel rooms). Link: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=25&year=2019
To summarize your concerns, your emails stated that this bill would infringe on your 2nd amendment rights and your ability to protect yourselves in your hotel rooms, it would be difficult to enforce, and it wouldn't be effective because criminals do not follow laws. You were concerned about how it would affect people flying in from neighbor islands to hunt, travelling law enforcement from other states, retired law enforcement, participants of gun competitions, firearms instructors, armed guards, flight attendants, and the temporarily un-homed (due to renovations, construction, fumigation, etc.).
I introduced this public safety measure to prohibit people from storing, keeping, carrying or possessing any firearm or ammunition in any hotel room assigned to a guest.
There are exemptions for:
state and county law enforcement officers
members of the armed forces
mail carriers
regularly enrolled members of any organization duly authorized to purchase or receive weapons from the United States or from the State
persons employed by the State or United States while in the performance of their respective duties or while going to and from their respective places of duty if those duties require them to be armed
police officers on official assignment in Hawaii from any state which by compact permits police officers from Hawaii while on official assignment in that state to carry firearms without registration.
For more information about this last point, please visit: https://ag.hawaii.gov/cjd/files/2013/01/LEOSA-guideline-for-QLEO-926B.pdf
Keep in mind that many bills introduced do not become law. Should this bill get scheduled for a hearing, myself and other legislators will be open to amendments (changes) that could include:
restrict to counties with a population greater than 500,000 people
have hotels designate a safe to store firearms. "Safe possession."
Please let me know what you think and if you have additional amendment suggestions.
Some background on why I introduced this bill:
Last year, a local man claiming to be a federal agent was found in a Waikiki hotel room with multiple weapons and ammunition. Had it not been for someone reporting him to the FBI based on his disturbing social media content, this situation could have ended badly. Because the firearms were legally registered and he had not committed a crime, he was not arrested.
(For more information, please read the news stories, below.)
I am concerned that too often, government waits until a tragedy happens before it takes steps to address a situation and I wanted to start a conversation on how we can make Hawaii safe from unnecessary violence.
It is not my intention to prohibit licensed possession; I am advocating for safe possession.
Mahalo,
Tom Brower
State Representative, Waikiki "
Well, in the case of Christopher Deedy this law will have had NO effect on a person killing another person. It justified the killing of a local person by government.
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Tom Brower was the guy that got into a fight with the homeless guy and smashing up some shopping carts?
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24003737/lawmaker-hammers-home-his-homeless-solution/
Where's the ACLU?
I hope he didn't check in a hotel with that dangerous instrument. If those shopping carts were human bodies that would be utter carnage. Fortunately he was a law abiding citizen in possession of a potentially dangerous instrument of destruction and death
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Tom Brower response:
It is not my intention to prohibit licensed possession; I am advocating for safe possession.
I call BS.
First of all, the freakin' bill calls for a ban. That is very much prohibiting possession.
Second, no one can know what is going to happen in the future. To presume anyone is more likely to engage in criminal activity rather than others is nothing but guessing. If there are sny presumptions one is allowed, it is that of innocence.
Last, if the intent was actually for "safe possession", then write the bill that way from the beginning rather than throwing up a bill that isn't written "as intended".
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Brower's response didn't address any of our concerns regarding the tent court case, self-defense, hunters, etc. Just the weak case of having the hotel keep the guns locked up. Or that hotels can already deal with the problem by bannig firearms or evict/tresspass.