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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: PalisadesKid on January 23, 2019, 08:52:20 PM
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***UPDATED AS OF 02/8/2019***:
HB1531 - DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF PVM COMMITTEE BY 2/7/19 DEADLINE. NOW CONSIDERED DEAD FOR 2019 SESSION. MAY CARRY OVER TO 2020.
Measure Title: RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Report Title: Firearms; Assault Weapons; Ban
Description: Prohibits any person from distributing, transporting, importing, bringing, or causing to be brought into the State; keeping for sale, or offering or exposing for sale; or transferring, manufacturing, possessing, selling, bartering, trading, gifting, or acquiring any assault weapon. Defines assault weapon. Authorizes the courts to impose an extended term of imprisonment for an offender who uses an assault weapon in the course of committing certain crimes.
Companion:
Package: None
Current Referral:
Introducer(s): OHNO, CREAGAN, MIZUNO, TODD, WILDBERGER, San Buenaventura
SB1334 and HB1303
SENATE BILL 1334:
Measure Title: RELATED TO FIREARMS.
Report Title: Firearms; Assault Weapons Ban; Assault Pistols; Detachable Magazines
Description: Defines "assault rifle" and "assault shotgun". Amends the definition of "assault pistol" to expand what types of guns are considered assault pistols. Expands the ban on pistols with a detachable magazine with over ten round capacity to any firearm with a detachable magazine with over ten round capacity.
Companion:
Package: None
Current Referral:
Introducer(s): L. THIELEN
Sort by Date Status Text
1/24/2019 S Introduced.
HB 1303 AND SB 1334 REMAIN IN PSM COMMITTEE.
HOUSE BILL 1303
Measure Title: RELATED TO FIREARMS.
Report Title: Firearms; Assault Weapons Ban; Assault Pistols; Detachable Magazines
Description: Defines "assault rifle" and "assault shotgun". Amends the definition of "assault pistol" to expand what types of guns are considered assault pistols. Expands the ban on pistols with a detachable magazine with over ten round capacity to any firearm with a detachable magazine with over ten round capacity.
Companion:
Package: None
Current Referral:
Introducer(s): SAIKI
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In short, its STILL pretty much an ABSOLUTE WIDE SWEEPING BAN ON ALL SEMI-AUTO FIREARMS.
Both SENATE and HOUSE bills are essentially the same.
SECTION 2. Section 134-1, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended as follows:
1. By adding two new definitions to be appropriately inserted and to read:
""Assault rifle" means a semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:
(1) A centerfire rifle with an overall length less than thirty inches;
(2) A folding or telescoping stock;
(3) A thumbhole stock;
(4) A second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
(5) A flash suppressor;
(6) A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;
(7) A bayonet mount;
(8.) A grenade launcher;
(9) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer; or
(10) A pistol grip, excluding pistol grips for pistols not otherwise prohibited under this section.
"Assault shotgun" means a semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following characteristics:
(1) Accepts a detachable magazine; or
(2) Has a revolving cylinder."
2. By amending the definition of "assault pistol" to read:
""Assault pistol" means a semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable magazine and has [two] one or more of the following characteristics:
(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer;
(3) A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;
(4) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;
(5) A centerfire pistol with an overall length of twelve inches or more; or
(6) It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;
SB1334 FULL TEXT
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1334&year=2019
HB1303 FULL TEXT
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1303&year=2019
Two bills, SAME GOAL - ban every common semi auto rifle in existence from Hawaii.
As of this post both bills remain with their respective Public Safety Committees and no hearing has been scheduled YET, but you can get ahead of the game and start contacting committee members as follows:
TO STATE "I OPPOSE HOUSE BILL SB1303":
HOUSE PUBLIC SAFETY (PVM)
CHAIR
Gregg Takayama
House District 34
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 323
phone: 808-586-6340
fax: 808-586-6341
reptakayama@Capitol.hawaii.gov
Cedric Asuega Gates
House District 44
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 311
phone: 808-586-8460
fax: 808-586-8464
repgates@Capitol.hawaii.gov
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY (JUD):
CHAIR
Chris Lee
House District 51
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 302
phone: 808-586-9450
fax: 808-586-9456
replee@Capitol.hawaii.gov
VICE CHAIR
Joy A. San Buenaventura
House District 4
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 442
phone: 808-586-6530
fax: 808-586-6531
repsanbuenaventura@Capitol.hawaii.gov
TO STATE "I OPPOSE SENATE BILL SB1334":
SENATE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY
Chair
Clarence K. Nishihara
Senate District 17
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 214
phone: 808-586-6970
fax: 808-586-6879
sennishihara@capitol.hawaii.gov
Vice Chair
Glenn Wakai
Senate District 15
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 407
phone: 808-586-8585
fax: 808-586-8588
senwakai@capitol.hawaii.gov
SENATE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY:
CHAIR
Karl Rhoads
Senate District 13
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 204
phone: 808-586-6130
fax: 808-586-6131
senrhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov
VICE Vice Chair
Glenn Wakai
Senate District 15
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 407
phone: 808-586-8585
fax: 808-586-8588
senwakai@capitol.hawaii.gov
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Grandfather clause if i read the last part correctly
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Grandfather clause if i read the last part correctly
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It's not. Besides a grandfather clause is still a loss.
If a grandfathered firearm is stolen or destroyed in a house fire or a catastrophic malfunction, do you think the state will allow you to replace it??????
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I think we should give them the grenade launcher. I mean, I don't have one, so I'm cool with that.
threaded barrels on rifles means, geez, damn near everything. bull barrels anyone?
threaded barrels on pistols means no more compensators. all those folks with race guns...
anybody ever heard of the Beretta 93R? Glock 18? yeah baby, rock and roll!
pistol grips on rifles? think of Commiefornia.
free-float rail? is that a "shroud"?
so you can't have a "flash suppressor", I guess pin & welded muzzle brake is ok? gonna be a lot of deaf shooters at KHSC. double ear pro.
and no more MAGPUL CTR or B5 SOPMOD for you!
read it one more time, I guess stripped lower receivers are ok.
whew, thought they were gonna come for my laser sights.
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This bans all rifles with detachable magazines.
THIS ALSO BANS ANY MAGAZINE WITH MORE THEN 10 ROUND CAPACITY.
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here's the gist of it:
SECTION 2. Section 134-1, Hawaii Revised Statutes, is amended as follows:
1. By adding two new definitions to be appropriately inserted and to read:
""Assault rifle" means a semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:
(1) A centerfire rifle with an overall length less than thirty inches;
(2) A folding or telescoping stock;
(3) A thumbhole stock;
(4) A second handgrip or protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
(5) A flash suppressor;
(6) A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;
(7) A bayonet mount;
(8.) A grenade launcher;
(9) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer; or
(10) A pistol grip, excluding pistol grips for pistols not otherwise prohibited under this section.
"Assault shotgun" means a semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following characteristics:
(1) Accepts a detachable magazine; or
(2) Has a revolving cylinder."
2. By amending the definition of "assault pistol" to read:
""Assault pistol" means a semiautomatic pistol that accepts a detachable magazine and has [two] one or more of the following characteristics:
(1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
(2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward hand grip, or silencer;
(3) A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned;
(4) A manufactured weight of fifty ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;
(5) A centerfire pistol with an overall length of twelve inches or more; or
(6) It is a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;
The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition of detachable ammunition magazines with a capacity in excess of ten rounds which are designed for or capable of use with any firearm is prohibited.
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Written by an ignoramus. Nearly as dumb as the state report claiming that Hawaii prohibits all handguns "with a frame or receiver that is a die casting of zinc alloy that has a melting temperature of less than 80º F". (Those wouldn't be of much use around here since they'd melt almost every single day.) Anyone who would use the term "safe gun laws" is an idiot. (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif)(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif)(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif)(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif)(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif)(http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/images/smilies/facepalm.gif)
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This bans all rifles with detachable magazines.
THIS ALSO BANS ANY MAGAZINE WITH MORE THEN 10 ROUND CAPACITY.
No one needs a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds bullets, okay 7, well, really 5, 2 should be sufficient... oh hell, just get rid of all the damn guns! And those things that go up... gotta get rid of those too.
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Written by an ignoramus. Nearly as dumb as the state report claiming that Hawaii prohibits all handguns "with a frame or receiver that is a die casting of zinc alloy that has a melting temperature of less than 80º F". (Those wouldn't be of much use around here since they'd melt almost every single day.) Anyone who would use the term "safe gun laws" is an idiot.
kind of a reflection on the ignoramus's that repetitively and consistently vote these charlatans into office.
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Awesome. My target rifle will be an "Assault Rifle" because it has a "Barrel Shroud" and my .22 varmint rifle will be as well because it has a thumbhole stock. I think my .22 sporter is 29". Oh wait, the length restriction is only for center-fire but the rest applies to everything. I guess I can forget about buying a Taurus Judge now too.
I also have a 357 SIG barrel that is threaded so I can use a barrel extension to mount my Magnetospeed Chrono.
I tell you what. I've lived many different lives to this day. Might as well make me a criminal because of stupid feel-good legislation too. It'll make my eventual "defection" to the USA that much sweeter.
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This bans all rifles with detachable magazines.
THIS ALSO BANS ANY MAGAZINE WITH MORE THEN 10 ROUND CAPACITY.
it expands the current 10rd pistol mag to "ANY firearm". that would include rifles. probably excludes air guns, paint guns.
J. F. C. :wtf:
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Why do they hate guns so much? What did a gun ever do to them? Ban criminals. Don’t take my grenade launcher.
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One major component is missing (among many): to enforce anything with a grandfather clause, existing items would need to be registered.
Firearms are already registered, but mags are not. Mags would have to be serialized or otherwise marked as "pre-ban" if they are not compliant with the new law. This would be a great ploy to confiscate >10 rd AR mags based on current laws (gray area and all), under the pretense of making them legal to keep.
Also, let's say you have a stripped lower already registered, but no upper for that receiver yet. If you finish that rifle, they really have no way of telling if it qualified as an "assault rifle" before the effective date of the bill. Did it have a flash suppressor, threaded barrel and pistol grip before that date? Only you would know -- unless again they require ANY AND ALL grandfathered weapons to be brought in for (re-)registration and inspection. If that happens, I'll just grab any upper from the safe, slap it on the built lower and let them inspect/record those "assault rifle" characteristics.
"I don't own any >10rd mags. All I have are parts kits."
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Senator Laura Thielen
Senate District 25
Hawaii State Capitol
Room 231
Phone: 808-587-8388
Fax: 808-587-7240
flood the phone lines!
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This f***ing feckless c**t.
You forgot the word feckless. I fixed it for you
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Will she care if we’re not in her district?
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Will she care if we’re not in her district?
I doubt if she "cares" if you ARE in her district... except, of course, in so far as she needs to say to her district constituents whatever is most likely to garner their votes and get her re-elected.
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Firearms are already registered, but mags are not. Mags would have to be serialized or otherwise marked as "pre-ban" if they are not compliant with the new law. This would be a great ploy to confiscate >10 rd AR mags based on current laws (gray area and all), under the pretense of making them legal to keep.
Also, let's say you have a stripped lower already registered, but no upper for that receiver yet. If you finish that rifle, they really have no way of telling if it qualified as an "assault rifle" before the effective date of the bill. Did it have a flash suppressor, threaded barrel and pistol grip before that date? Only you would know -- unless again they require ANY AND ALL grandfathered weapons to be brought in for (re-)registration and inspection. If that happens, I'll just grab any upper from the safe, slap it on the built lower and let them inspect/record those "assault rifle" characteristics.
"I don't own any >10rd mags. All I have are parts kits."
So if someone were to label their mags "458 Socom" then it would be legal because it only can hold 10 rds of 458.
If bill were to pass, then if PD come knocking on your door, separate lower from upper and have allen wrench/screw driver ready to remove pistol grip. Don't take gun to range. Doubt they would have a no knock warrant.
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Here's what I rattled off:
Senator Kidani
It has been brought to my attention that your counterpart from district 25, Senator Theilen has introduced SB1334 which would ban nearly all semi automatic rifles. I would like to respectfully encourage you to oppose this bill. The number of crimes commited with rifles of any kind is remarkably low.
Citing the FBI's nation wide crime statistics from 2016 there there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments.” The report also shows that more people were killed via the use of “hands, fists, feet, etc.,” than were killed by rifles of any kind. In fact, the tally shows that the death numbers were not even close. While approximately 374 people were shot and killed with rifles, roughly 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.” This is 371 instances in a nation of 325,700,000 citizens.
I disagree with the stance that it is the States responsibility to choose for me what the best means to defend myself and my family. Semi Automatic rifles are routinely safely used for lawful purposes of hunting, recreation and home defense. Further, resticting this class of weapon negatively impacts our many service members who are stationed here, as they would be forced to leave their lawfully aquired property in another state or dispose of it when stationed here. It is a point of pride that our fellow Americans from view Hawaii as an excellent destination and that our service members look forward to serving here on the islands. Please refrain from damaging our reputation, our private property rights and our cherished core liberties to make a political statement that will have a statistically insignificant effect on crime here at home.
Thank you for taking time to familiarize yourself with my concerns.
Respectfully X
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Though a little expensive these are only 5 round magazines
https://www.mccutchenfirearms.com/AI-5-Rnd-Mag-p/6300.htm
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I called! Everyone should call and tell every able body to call less then 5mins! For your constitutional right !
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keep calling, please be polite but get your points across. Spread the word on social media. This sh!t needs to be crushed before it gets any momentum.
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So if someone were to label their mags "458 Socom" then it would be legal because it only can hold 10 rds of 458.
If bill were to pass, then if PD come knocking on your door, separate lower from upper and have allen wrench/screw driver ready to remove pistol grip. Don't take gun to range. Doubt they would have a no knock warrant.
If my weapons are grandfathered, they can search all they want.
My point is, they would have to require registration/re-registration of any noncompliant mags, rifles and pistols that are to be grandfathered. If one chooses to not register, or disobeys the law after it's in effect (IF it passes), that'll be their decision.
I can see having a compliant upper on the receiver for uninvited, unwelcome "visitors" (crooks, Cops, etc), and a more user friendly upper stored elsewhere.
If the receiver isn't attached, an upper alone is not a firearm.
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I would bet the cops would confiscate an upper and shoot or at least beat you and then arrest you if you tried to prevent them from taking it. I would keep it hidden. There are ways to hide it even in a small yard so metal detectors would have a difficult time finding it.
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they can search all they want.
Nope. I dont even have a firearm and its still no, turn around, walk back down the driveway, close the gate nicely.... :)
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Nope. I dont even have a firearm and its still no, turn around, walk back down the driveway, close the gate nicely.... :)
I have a Class 03 C&R FFL license. That means the ATF has an open invitation to my home.
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I have a Class 03 C&R FFL license. That means the ATF has an open invitation to my home.
Oregon made my 03 FFL illegal :(
ATF isnt going to search for a state law issue. They only care about your C&R firearms, their serial numbers and your bound book. When Oregon killed the C&R FFL the ATF tried to get the state Attorney General to answer questions about it and the AG didnt bother to reply. I kept calling them and they kept saying "The AG wont return our calls"
So even if I did break state law by purchasing a C&R firearm, the ATF would not be the ones to show up to see if I got my required background check and transfer through a FFL.
Its also been a while since I read the rules, but I believe it is ok to request that an inspection of your firearms or bound book occur at the closest ATF office and not at your home.
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Oregon made my 03 FFL illegal :(
ATF isnt going to search for a state law issue. They only care about your C&R firearms, their serial numbers and your bound book. When Oregon killed the C&R FFL the ATF tried to get the state Attorney General to answer questions about it and the AG didnt bother to reply. I kept calling them and they kept saying "The AG wont return our calls"
So even if I did break state law by purchasing a C&R firearm, the ATF would not be the ones to show up to see if I got my required background check and transfer through a FFL.
Its also been a while since I read the rules, but I believe it is ok to request that an inspection of your firearms or bound book occur at the closest ATF office and not at your home.
I wouldn't put it past our demonstrably corrupt police and AG's offices (FBI targets all) to try and make a federal case out of any firearm law violation.
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Will be attending the HI FICO Legislative Meeting this Saturday at Aiea Public Library at 6pm.
In the meantime, SB 1334 has passed it's first reading and while not assigned to a committee yet, I took the liberty of emailing Senate committee members of JDC, PSM, and WAM based off of past anti gun bills and what committees they were assigned to initially.
Already received a response from Senator Fevella's assistant saying he is reviewing my email as he sits on the Senate JDC Committee. Email was noted that "should SB 1334 reach the JDC, I request for it to not receive a hearing" and so forth.
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Will be attending the HI FICO Legislative Meeting this Saturday at Aiea Public Library at 6pm.
In the meantime, SB 1334 has passed it's first reading and while not assigned to a committee yet, I took the liberty of emailing Senate committee members of JDC, PSM, and WAM based off of past anti gun bills and what committees they were assigned to initially.
Already received a response from Senator Fevella's assistant saying he is reviewing my email as he sits on the Senate JDC Committee. Email was noted that "should SB 1334 reach the JDC, I request for it to not receive a hearing" and so forth.
Haven't met with him yet, but he sounds like a good guy. Unfortunately he's a very busy man since he's the only Republican in the Senate. That means he holds all positions...minority leader, minority whip, member of all senate committees, etc. If we can get Sen Wakai on board, we could have the majority on the Judiciary committee. Only problem is Favella may not be able to make the JUD committee hearings since he's on every committee hearing.
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Haven't met with him yet, but he sounds like a good guy. Unfortunately he's a very busy man since he's the only Republican in the Senate. That means he holds all positions...minority leader, minority whip, member of all senate committees, etc. If we can get Sen Wakai on board, we could have the majority on the Judiciary committee. Only problem is Favella may not be able to make the JUD committee hearings since he's on every committee hearing.
Senator Wakai is definitely one I had contacted as well:
Aloha Senator Wakai,
I am writing to you to express my opposition to Senate Bill 1334 (SB1334). This bill is a wide-sweeping ban on a vast majority of commonly-owned firearms in the State of Hawaii used in competition, hunting, and self-defense. A similar attempt at a “assault weapon ban” failed in 2013 (Senate Bill 219 of 2013). It did not make it out of committee.
The attempt to re-define what is an “assault weapon” under SB1334 provides no identifiable facts or statistics that prove that the mere existence of these firearms amongst law-abiding citizens creates a public safety threat. In fact, the verbiage and reasoning in Section.1 of SB1334 readily admits Hawaii annually maintains one of the lowest amounts of firearm-related deaths and crimes in the nation yet looks to ban commonly-owned firearms that have existed in the hands of law-abiding Hawaii citizens for decades. What is the purpose of banning commonly-owned firearms when the statistics have shown that Hawaii is able to keep firearm deaths to an absolute minimum while these firearms have remained in the lawful possession of the public all this time?
Section 1. of SB1334 also states Hawaii already has an “assault weapons ban” in place, yet SB1334 argues that it “fails to ban assault rifles and assault shotguns”. This contradictory statement does not provide the reasoning behind what currently constitutes as an “Assault Rifle” or “Assault Shotgun” by definition yet attempts to solidify a definition by naming standard industry components (as named in Section 2.) with zero factual information with regards to “cause and effect” to public safety. Again, these industry standard components have legally existed in the State of Hawaii for decades as the State of Hawaii annually boasts tremendously LOW firearm-related casualties.
I reiterate that SB1334 lacks statistical proof that semi-auto rifles and the industry standard components it seeks to outlaw are responsible for firearm-related injuries or deaths in the State of Hawaii. Far too often handguns have been the tool criminals preferred as evident throughout the various news articles and headlines in local media over the years.
The facts with regards to the LOW amount of firearm related deaths in Hawaii are within the State Legislature’s own published report:
http://lrbhawaii.org/reports/legrpts/lrb/2018/18-01.pdf
If a ban were to pass and “grandfathering” of said firearms were “allowed”, what is to happen to innocent gun owners in the event said firearms are damaged beyond repair in a natural disaster? Or if one were to become a victim of a burglary? Safes have been broken into in the past. The law-abiding gun owner will not be able to reclaim/replace their private property due to such a ban.
Should SB1334 make its way to the JDC, I request that SB1334 NOT be scheduled for a hearing from this committee and request that it must be removed from the 2019 legislative session.
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Bumping for update to original post as HB 1303 was introduced today. Essentially the same cut and paste job as SB 1334.
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SB 1334
HB 1303
Two bills, SAME GOAL - ban every common semi auto rifle in existence from Hawaii.
As of this post both bills have NOT been assigned to their respective committees, but you can get ahead of the game and start contacting committee members as follows:
With regards to HOUSE BILL SB1303
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY (JUD):
CHAIR
Chris Lee
House District 51
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 302
phone: 808-586-9450
fax: 808-586-9456
replee@Capitol.hawaii.gov
VICE CHAIR
Joy A. San Buenaventura
House District 4
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 442
phone: 808-586-6530
fax: 808-586-6531
repsanbuenaventura@Capitol.hawaii.gov
Link to other committee members: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=JUD&year=2019
With regards to SENATE BILL SB1334
SENATE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY:
CHAIR
Karl Rhoads
Senate District 13
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 204
phone: 808-586-6130
fax: 808-586-6131
senrhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov
VICE Vice Chair
Glenn Wakai
Senate District 15
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 407
phone: 808-586-8585
fax: 808-586-8588
senwakai@capitol.hawaii.gov
Link to other committee members: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/committeepage.aspx?comm=JDC&year=2019
***These are the two committees I personally can think of off hand that these respective bills would be assigned to at first. If anyone has a better assumption of other relevant committees to contact ASAP, please share.***
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Bump due to HB 1531 being added only today.
F**king co*ksuckers.
HB1531 Submit Submit (?)
Measure Title: RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Report Title: Firearms; Assault Weapons; Ban
Description: Prohibits any person from distributing, transporting, importing, bringing, or causing to be brought into the State; keeping for sale, or offering or exposing for sale; or transferring, manufacturing, possessing, selling, bartering, trading, gifting, or acquiring any assault weapon. Defines assault weapon. Authorizes the courts to impose an extended term of imprisonment for an offender who uses an assault weapon in the course of committing certain crimes.
Companion:
Package: None
Current Referral:
Introducer(s): OHNO, CREAGAN, MIZUNO, TODD, WILDBERGER, San Buenaventura
Sort by Date Status Text
1/24/2019 H Introduced and Pass First Reading.
FULL TEXT: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/HB1531_.htm
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Looks like this one mimics the Assault Weapons Ban 2017 & 2018 bills in DC. It names makes and models.
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Here's what I rattled off:
Senator Kidani
It has been brought to my attention that your counterpart from district 25, Senator Theilen has introduced SB1334 which would ban nearly all semi automatic rifles. I would like to respectfully encourage you to oppose this bill. The number of crimes commited with rifles of any kind is remarkably low.
Citing the FBI's nation wide crime statistics from 2016 there there were approximately 374 people shot and killed with rifles of any kind. There were 1,604 people killed with “knives or cutting instruments.” The report also shows that more people were killed via the use of “hands, fists, feet, etc.,” than were killed by rifles of any kind. In fact, the tally shows that the death numbers were not even close. While approximately 374 people were shot and killed with rifles, roughly 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.” This is 371 instances in a nation of 325,700,000 citizens.
I disagree with the stance that it is the States responsibility to choose for me what the best means to defend myself and my family. Semi Automatic rifles are routinely safely used for lawful purposes of hunting, recreation and home defense. Further, resticting this class of weapon negatively impacts our many service members who are stationed here, as they would be forced to leave their lawfully aquired property in another state or dispose of it when stationed here. It is a point of pride that our fellow Americans from view Hawaii as an excellent destination and that our service members look forward to serving here on the islands. Please refrain from damaging our reputation, our private property rights and our cherished core liberties to make a political statement that will have a statistically insignificant effect on crime here at home.
Thank you for taking time to familiarize yourself with my concerns.
Respectfully X
well said do you mind if I use this to also submit to express my disapprove of bills. Thank you
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Why registration is bad
134-D Relinquishment of assault weapon to law enforcement. Any individual may arrange in advance to relinquish an assault weapon to a county police department or the department of public safety for disposal, without penalty.
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:crazy: This is too much. Could this last one be challenged on grounds that there is no compensation given for said firearms being required to surrender?
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Called Rep Chris Lee's office since he's the Chair to the House JUD Committee which will most likely be getting BOTH SB1531 and SB1303 and spoke with Katie. She listened to my talking points and gave me an alternate email for "testimony" to which she said goes on file and is separate from actual online submitted testimony IF bills are granted hearings.
lee2@capitol.hawaii.gov
CHAIR
Chris Lee
House District 51
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 302
phone: 808-586-9450
fax: 808-586-9456
Also contacted my District's Representative who has a HISTORY of stating "I would need more evidence further laws are needed considering we have so many in Hawaii as it is", although he was adamant about banning bumpstocks and he was one of the authors of the House version of last year's bump stock ban.
Left messages for Calvin Say's office as well.
As for the Senate side regarding SB1334, in addition to emails, I called and left a message for Senator Glenn Wakai.
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well said do you mind if I use this to also submit to express my disapprove of bills. Thank you
Go for it.
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From YOUNG GUNS HAWAII's Facebook page today:
"It looks like another House Bill (HB1531) was introduced and passed it's first reading and it looks even worse than the other two.
I went to HPD to take care of my business today. As I was finishing up, one of the officers ask me if we were selling a lot of guns. I asked him if he was referring to the proposed assault weapons ban? He said yes. I asked him and the officer and the officer next to him what would happen if the bill(s) passed? We had a short discussion; And in a nut-shell, it wouldn't be good.
They said that the instant the bill is signed, it would become law. The way the Bill(s) are written, there is no grandfather clause and you wouldn't be able to posses, sell, transfer, TRANSPORT, barter, gift, ETC., ETC., ETC. without being a class B or C Felon once it's signed! If you, a law abiding citizen didn't get rid of pretty much all of your semi-auto rifles, semi-auto shotguns and "higher than 10 round magazines" before hand, then you would instantly become a FELON at the time of signing. Then the Police Department would have to bring a criminal case against you. They would go through the registrations, see who hasn't turned in their guns in yet, come and get the guns from you, arrest you and start the criminal case against you. (Sounds familiar?)
The two officers that I spoke to, (which I will not name), did not agree with the bill. They both agreed that law abiding citizens should not be turned into criminals with a stroke of the pen. I begged both of them to please speak up and oppose he bill. One of officers could not even look up, as I could tell that person really did not agree with the bill. I could tell that they both wouldn't want to enforce that law if it came to that.
Two of the bills, don't even have provisions for LE personnel, much less LEOSA (retired LE), Feds, Military, Reserves, Etc., Etc., Etc.. Those who possess the banned firearms will also become instant criminals also and lose their jobs!
This is the worst assault against our Constitutional Rights that I have ever seen. We need to stop these bills from becoming law. Your rights, and status as a law abiding citizen, are at stake. You cannot remain silent or neutral this legislative session. Our main supporter, which I have asked you to support in the past, Ken Ito, is no longer at the legislature to present the sensical side of the law and our rights. You need to contact your legislators (and all legislators) and oppose these bills.
Check all of them at: hifico.org/bills
I hoped it wouldn't come to this and I didn't want to write this, but one my worst nightmares is on the horizon! We, law abiding citizens need to fight! Our rights are at stake.
This comes from the heart.
Share this with everyone you know who owns a gun.
I hope this doesn't get blocked, banned or censored!"
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I was right to leave my firearms with me son on the mainland.
If this passes I feel that people will cave and surrender their firearms. we are not united. I'm sure most will not even know when this is signed into law. Once they know it will work here, it will start in the west coast and the other big cities. They will try it eventually in some state where enough will be enough and resistance will start. But it wont be here. It wont be in California or Oregon or Washington. They cant fill the jails with marijuana users anymore so they will turn to gun owners.
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Handguns will be next.
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2aHawaii if too small of a community for the type of publicity this stupid crap needs.I just emailed KHON2, lets media blitzkrieg this crap get the word out to every channel out there. This wide sweeping hate bill must meet so much opposition that these assholes never think that they can pull this sh!t again. This isn't about gun control this is people control pure and simple..
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2aHawaii if too small of a community for the type of publicity this stupid crap needs.I just emailed KHON2, lets media blitzkrieg this crap get the word out to every channel out there. This wide sweeping hate bill must meet so much opposition that these assholes never think that they can pull this sh!t again. This isn't about gun control this is people control pure and simple..
They tried this shit in 2013 as Senate Bill 219. I wasnt even a gun owner then (became one in late 2014), but in looking at old information, it was pretty much the same wide sweeping Assault Weapons Ban as this year's SB1334, HB1303, and HB1531.
However back in 2013, SB 219 was introduced by Les Ihara at the request of a 3rd party. The bill made its way to a few committees at first then never made the first "crossover date" in March 2013. It essentially died. It received no hearing in committee.
There was either enough push back from gun owners and/or not enough interest since there was ONE introducer and it was via a 3rd party request. Mind you this was during the "Sandy Hook" fallout where a NATIONAL Assault Weapons Ban was being considered and the mass hysteria to ban every fucking semi auto was more hot than it is today.
YET the shitty side is that there are THREE GOD DAMN bills out and one has multiple sponsors in the House (HB1531).
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HI is the new NJ
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If this passes I feel that people will cave and surrender their firearms. we are not united.
Well, for me, I'm going to start rotating emergency supplies and replenishing them to the 6 month level.
Personally, I've had a really good, extraordinary life so I won't have any regrets. I've achieved the goals I set for myself growing up, including the one from Kindergarten. I will regret rolling over on this however.
While I could defend my home within the limitations of HB1531 and even myself if Carry was made "shall issue", the fact that these OPPRESSORS are actually considering making legal gun owners felons with the stroke of a pen is the very definition of OPPRESSIVE GOVERNMENT.
Furthermore, as a Veteran, this is face-slapping insult to the time I gave to my Country. I swore then to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from ALL ENEMIES, foreign and DOMESTIC. Just because I'm no longer in the Armed Services doesn't mean I stopped believing in my Oath to Country.
I sincerely hope this never comes to be in anyones lifetime but if it does, I would also hope that people who support the Constitution of the United States of America truly understand why the Second Ammendment was included in the Bill of Rights and find it within themselves to defend the freedoms represented by that sacred document.
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BTW, for the types that have said "I don't have an "assault rifle" so I don't care", "assault shotguns" are defined as well.
Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Then they'll keep coming back for another "inch".
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Out of all my guns I would miss my Saiga the most. I kept the sporter parts just in case the day ever came, but with these bills it wouldn't matter. Any shotgun with a detachable magazine would be declared evil. I feel like if I could get them to the fun side of the range and try a mag dump they would understand. It's not about murder. It's about having a whole lot of fun.
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What about stripped lowers?
There's no barrel, no magazine, no pistol grip, no adjustable stock
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What about stripped lowers?
There's no barrel, no magazine, no pistol grip, no adjustable stock
I'd hazard a wild guess that because that is the "registered" part that is considered "a firearm", that they'll want that for sure.
I'd also suspect that since they have no way of knowing if that unmilled 80% lower you have is milled out in the future, they will need to take that too, as a preventive measure ("if it saves one life", etc.). Since they don't have any way of knowing whether or not you have one (well, they do, but likely might have difficulty getting that info from the NSA database (which contains every email, phone call, electronic bank transaction, etc. ever created), that they will have to construct a law that says that possession, barter, trade, blah blah blah of unfinished 80% lowers is illegal and state the penalties involved should you be discovered to possess one. They might be so generous as to provide a 30 day "amnesty" period for you to turn in your private property to them without compensation, as they did with "bumpstocks, multi-burst trigger activators, and trigger cranks". Just a guess, given their mindset and past history (fascist dictators).
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Big round of applause for those that post words on this thread without saying shit of substance.
Utterly useless.
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Was at the range today, people I talked to said they didn’t know about the bills. Couldn’t stay too long and talk to others.
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Get the word out to EVERYONE! Gun people or not. Remember all the times that these lawmakers said they respect the 2A and don't want our guns?! Well, this is proof of their lies. THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY YOUR LEGALLY ACQUIRED GUNS! We've been through all their hoops...RapBack and it is not enough.
Forget about what firearms you dream about getting because it will be nothing more than that. In fact, look at your gunsafe and imagine all that taken away with no compensation. We are all law abiding, tax-paying citizens. This is not right. Tell them that this is unconstitutional. Tell them this makes no sense. Tell them we don't deserve to be grouped under criminals. We passed all their background checks. Get everyone you know to call, write or show up in person at their offices. Write on behalf of your big dogs. Write on behalf of your kids.
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What about stripped lowers?
There's no barrel, no magazine, no pistol grip, no adjustable stock
I'm thinking your stripped lower is fine, since it doesn't meet any of the banned criteria, stripped.
but you can't really shoot a stripped lower, now can you? and you probably couldn't take your stripped lower to the KHSC and assemble it there, because as soon as you put the threaded barrel on, or the MAGPUL CTR stock, or the pistol grip, you're a felon, right?
and if Thielen and the other bill sponsors decide to go full-Maduro, I'm sure there will be a friendly HPD officer stationed at the range, for public safety of course, and he'll have no choice but to slap those pretty steel bracelets on you as he calls in SWAT for backup. Congrats! you just made the evening news, you're mugshot splashed across all TV's at 6pm, along with pics of your wife & pixelated kids, with mic's being stabbed at their faces as they go to buy groceries. And then the Star-Advertiser puts your Facebook and Twitter under a microscope, to determine whether you acted alone, or what caused you to "go bad". Ladies & Gentlemen, the world as we know it is going to hell in a handbasket.
not sure if you'd even be able to go licensed hunting with it, and heaven forbid, you shoot a home invasion intruder with an illegal firearm, you'll go to jail, and the home invasion perps will be free to go (if still alive).
but I'm sure that next legislative session, if this one passes, next year they'll introduce the legislation to cover stripped lowers, after all, that was a simple legislative loophole that they need to close.
and so it goes, if folks do nothing.
sorry for the rant.
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so what would a legal AR be (just looking at SB1334, not the others)?
fixed stock.
bull barrel (unthreaded).
no hand guards, since they guard the hands from being burned.
no rail (obviously a shroud).
no pistol grip.
10-rd mag.
I guess the A2 front sight is okay if you cut off the bayonet lug, but since no handguards, don't need the handguard cap.
might've missed something.
anyways, somebody ought to build one of these and post a pic, so we know what our potential future (nightmare) looks like.
looks like we got off easy, in CA they can't even swap mags, or some kind of monstrosity like that.
we gave them an inch last year, and this year they're taking the mile.
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so what would a legal AR be (just looking at SB1334, not the others)?
fixed stock.
bull barrel (unthreaded).
no hand guards, since they guard the hands from being burned.
no rail (obviously a shroud).
no pistol grip.
10-rd mag.
I guess the A2 front sight is okay if you cut off the bayonet lug, but since no handguards, don't need the handguard cap.
might've missed something.
anyways, somebody ought to build one of these and post a pic, so we know what our potential future (nightmare) looks like.
looks like we got off easy, in CA they can't even swap mags, or some kind of monstrosity like that.
we gave them an inch last year, and this year they're taking the mile.
Going to be just like CA
llllAssault rifle" means a semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:
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was trying to think, what centerfire semiautos are less than 30"?
Steyr AUG carbine is 27".
obviously the Tavor.
I'd guess other bullpups, since the ones in the US have to be at least 26" long to be legal (16" minimum barrel). I kinda like the Tavor X95, was salivating over an ODG one. but didn't have the coin.
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so what would a legal AR be (just looking at SB1334, not the others)?
fixed stock.
bull barrel (unthreaded).
no hand guards, since they guard the hands from being burned.
no rail (obviously a shroud).
no pistol grip.
10-rd mag.
I guess the A2 front sight is okay if you cut off the bayonet lug, but since no handguards, don't need the handguard cap.
might've missed something.
anyways, somebody ought to build one of these and post a pic, so we know what our potential future (nightmare) looks like.
looks like we got off easy, in CA they can't even swap mags, or some kind of monstrosity like that.
we gave them an inch last year, and this year they're taking the mile.
How fast can one work a bolt action?
Even a Springfield M1A would be banned due to a threaded barrel with a "shroud".
Fucking bullshit.
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This is part of a coordinated nationwide attack on 2nd amendment freedoms. Even republican governor of Vermont is getting in on the action. Search gun control for recent stories and it’s a total blood bath right now. I’m guessing politicians got a memo telling them something big is coming and they need to have confiscation procedures in order.
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If this passes I feel that people will cave and surrender their firearms. we are not united. ...
we weren't united last year, either. the suggestion to ban binary triggers came from WITHIN the 2A community as a "sacrificial offering". we didn't give an inch, no, we gave them a mile, and now they wanna drive the MACK truck right up our asses.
BOHICA.
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so what would a legal AR be (just looking at SB1334, not the others)?
fixed stock.
bull barrel (unthreaded).
no hand guards, since they guard the hands from being burned.
no rail (obviously a shroud).
no pistol grip.
10-rd mag.
I guess the A2 front sight is okay if you cut off the bayonet lug, but since no handguards, don't need the handguard cap.
might've missed something.
anyways, somebody ought to build one of these and post a pic, so we know what our potential future (nightmare) looks like.
looks like we got off easy, in CA they can't even swap mags, or some kind of monstrosity like that.
we gave them an inch last year, and this year they're taking the mile.
Look up CA compliant rifles.
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Look up CA compliant rifles.
Except the proposed Hawaii ban bans more features (threaded barrels, etc.), including the notorious "barrel shroud", which author of congressional "assault weapon" ban legislation Carolyn McCarthy famously called "the thing that goes up?". I suspect Thielen is approximately equally well-educated, though that will likely change, or may have already, given that she's received some "feedback" from the public and may think it necessary to become familiar with the basic terminology, though not likely the facts of criminal act rates with such weapons. Or maybe she will admit in public that she really wants to ban all guns from civilian possession, long guns and handguns, no matter the facts about their use in criminal acts (the "I just hate guns" rationale), but this is the most she can hope for this year.
(https://www.pewpewtactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Oprah-Youre-a-Felon.jpg)
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https://youtu.be/SfRRapUxUrk
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I Will Not Comply.
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I think a lot of people are not complying already and haven't been for years.
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I think a lot of people are not complying already and haven't been for years.
No one we know personally and certainly not anyone participating on these forums.
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I informed my co-worker that all her family is about to be turned into felons. At least give them time to strip parts off of receivers so they are not destroyed as well. They had no idea it was coming.
They were planning a volunteer trip to clean the new hilo range since apparently it is getting pretty trashed. I'm thinking about the role their family plays in the community and it is amazing the politicians are not only ready to throw them in jail but remove their important roles from a rural community.
It is also probably time to cease online posting. It will probably soon be a crime to talk about firearms as well.
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I think a lot of people are not complying already and haven't been for years.
Bullsh*t.
97% of people babbling on this forum don't have the balls to stand up to their little sister.
Actually, I think that percentage is probably even higher, since 99%+ can't manage to drag themselves to the state legislature to speak out for their 2A rights.
Kudos to those that are attempting organize some kind of political resistance, but we're too far behind the curve to make a difference at this point.
The last couple of years proved that.
They aren't listening, and they don't care. We don't have the 10 or 20 years to wait anymore.
I'll be at the hearings to speak out against these bills.
After that, I'm done talking.
Let those cowards come for me.
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Bullsh*t.
97% of people babbling on this forum don't have the balls to stand up to their little sister.
Actually, I think that percentage is probably even higher, since 99%+ can't manage to drag themselves to the state legislature to speak out for their 2A rights.
Kudos to those that are attempting organize some kind of political resistance, but we're too far behind the curve to make a difference at this point.
The last couple of years proved that.
They aren't listening, and they don't care. We don't have the 10 or 20 years to wait anymore.
I'll be at the hearings to speak out against these bills.
After that, I'm done talking.
Let those cowards come for me.
I can't remember with exact detail, or even the bill in question, but I do remember that last session "our" side submitted something like 7-10 TIMES the amount of testimony (actual number over 400 submissions) as the other side, and then the committee promptly passed the bill (opposed by us) UNANIMOUSLY!! It then (I believe) went on to pass the legislature unanimously as well. What makes you think they aren't listening to us? :rofl:
I believe, and I definitely qualify that it's only my belief, and I certainly couldn't even attempt to prove it, that even if we submitted 40 TIMES as much testimony, say 5,000 submissions, and it was a bill they thought wouldl further their aganda AND that they could pass without jeopardizing their ability to get re-elected, they would do so. Now, how is their re-election ever going to be jeopardized if so few people in Hawaii are gun owners, much less gun owners that vote, much less gun owners that vote AND get involved in "politics"? I don't see a way out... EXCEPT via the courts... and then we're likely talking decades, even if we get highly favorable decisions, for the real world effects to trickle down to us peons (while the legislative, executive and judicial branches in Hawaii delay and obstruct in every manner possible. E.g. Hawaii still bans "stun guns", which was declared unconstitutional by SCOTUS in March 2016 via a UNANIMOUS per curiam ruling).
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Stop the complaining and start being productive. What are things you can do to help. How did your conversations with representatives go. How many people have you passed this story on to.....
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All of us who own firearms have gone through the lengthy process and several trips to the HPD station.
To testify in-person or online is a small task compared to legally obtaining a pistol or rifle.
Fight for it people! Don't give up! Spread the word tell at least one person. Show them how to testify. Get involved.
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I posted on this forum and all Hawaii FB gun groups
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=33179.0
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I need someone to help me with this. Create a "citation" for the assault rifle ban, something like whats below. Make it resemble a police ticket. I'll cite people at the range next weekend.
Half sheet of paper, lengthwise. Do it in Word or other format that I can change, and leave about an inch of space for me to add the HIFICO information.
Msg me if you want to help.
(https://i.imgur.com/RzxWU1o.jpg)
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Also need help with a poster for the range and gun stores. Msg me if you want to help.
Got it from this idea
(https://i.imgur.com/le6IpaS.jpg)
It's like a game to determine which rifle would be banned under this bill, with 1 feature. List the list of features in the AWB bill. Have different rifle pics on it. Put a nerf gun as one of them (currently only banned in schools). Background educational info on the bottom of what the bill is about and what you can do about it. HIFICO info at the bottom and answer key.
I'lll print it on 17x22 inch paper. I need to edit it so format ie word, powerpoint, Illustrator, coreldraw, or other common file type. Doesn't have to be fancy.
(https://i.imgur.com/oYOlWbO.jpg)
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I think your "citation" is a great out of the box idea Zipps.
Currently very busy with work, but I am spreading the word via social media private messages. I don't post shooting stuff on my FB or IG for security reasons.
I am planning on volunteering at the HDF booth at the gun show. The wife and I always do. If they don't need help, I can help you guys out if HIFICO has a booth.
Or would March be to late?
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Has anyone contacted the Chief or SHOPO or like orgs? I know Ballard wrote a letter supporting bump stock. If she were to write a letter saying banning semi-auto rifles, that would go a long way. Bet there are lots of retired HPD that would not fall into the "exceptions" area.
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Has anyone contacted the Chief or SHOPO or like orgs? I know Ballard wrote a letter supporting bump stock. If she were to write a letter saying banning semi-auto rifles, that would go a long way. Bet there are lots of retired HPD that would not fall into the "exceptions" area.
Shopo is on my todo list. I really need LE and reitred LE to speak out. I was going to meet the firearms sec Maj at the first committee hearing. HPD will support a ban.
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Already heard the first story of people out burying their rifles.
as they say, if it is time to bury your guns it is time to use them. But at least burying them is better than confiscation.
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Already heard the first story of people out burying their rifles.
as they say, if it is time to bury your guns it is time to use them.
if it's time to bury your ARs and Glocks, then for your nightstand, maybe now is the time to buy that 44 cal blackpowder cap & ball revolver? not a "firearm", doesn't need to be registered, can't be confiscated, not illegal (yet), shipped to your house via USPS, no FFL. but that chainfire thing...
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Just throwing this out there.
What if every owner, of a type that is planned to be banned, shows up to Kokohead, and other shooting ranges on other islands, with their weapons, all on the same day and have a "I am NOT A FELON" range day? Jam pack the place, share benches with everyone else, let each other try their stuff, just have a fun and awesome shooting event in protest.
How many thousands of people would that be? What if the news covered it? What if there where some eloquent speakers there to give statements and inform the general public?
Think more people would show up for that instead of trying to get people to the capitol on a very short notice?
YOU KNOW THEY WILL KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SECRET TILL THE LAST MINUTE AGAIN! They don't give one shit about what we have to say at the hearings anyway. (80-90% oppose to bills yet they pass? :wtf: )
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Could also bring up the other "hotel ban" bills in on the plate too, and any other BS law they want to throw around, protest that too... Have Absentee Ballot applications handy and statements that any person signed on to these bills WILL NEVER GET ANOTHER VOTE from the people attending.
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Just throwing this out there.
What if every owner, of a type that is planned to be banned, shows up to Kokohead, and other shooting ranges on other islands, with their weapons, all on the same day and have a "I am NOT A FELON" range day? Jam pack the place, share benches with everyone else, let each other try their stuff, just have a fun and awesome shooting event in protest.
How many thousands of people would that be? What if the news covered it? What if there where some eloquent speakers there to give statements and inform the general public?
Think more people would show up for that instead of trying to get people to the capitol on a very short notice?
YOU KNOW THEY WILL KEEP THE PUBLIC HEARINGS SECRET TILL THE LAST MINUTE AGAIN! They don't give one shit about what we have to say at the hearings anyway. (80-90% oppose to bills yet they pass? :wtf: )
Do this at the state capitol, then they'll pay attention.
It's time for some civil disobedience.
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KHON just ran a segment outlining how handgun purchases have gone up. Joe Moore, went on to talk about the rise in gun deaths and then gave a half a$$ correlation to increased handgun ownership. So now it starts, I imagine a push for extra handgun based legislation on the horizon. For all you pistol owners that don't want to give a f$ck about us with guns on the chopping block YOU are next. No gun is safe. We all must work together to beat this. Next hunting rifles will be classified as "High Powered Sniper Rifles". These leftists will not stop with us scary AR owners. Pick up the damn phone and bug your legislators. Sorry if I'm coming off as a dick, but this is no time to beat around the bush and tread lightly. We must light a fire under every gun owners a$$ NOW!
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KHON just ran a segment outlining how handgun purchases have gone up. Joe Moore, went on to talk about the rise in gun deaths and then gave a half a$$ correlation to increased handgun ownership. So now it starts, I imagine a push for extra handgun based legislation on the horizon. For all you pistol owners that don't want to give a f$ck about us with guns on the chopping block YOU are next. No gun is safe. We all must work together to beat this. Next hunting rifles will be classified as "High Powered Sniper Rifles". These leftists will not stop with us scary AR owners. Pick up the damn phone and bug your legislators. Sorry if I'm coming off as a dick, but this is no time to beat around the bush and tread lightly. We must light a fire under every gun owners a$$ NOW!
There's a correlation between what he wears on his head and calls it hair and what he spews as FAKE news.
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I think your "citation" is a great out of the box idea Zipps.
Currently very busy with work, but I am spreading the word via social media private messages. I don't post shooting stuff on my FB or IG for security reasons.
I am planning on volunteering at the HDF booth at the gun show. The wife and I always do. If they don't need help, I can help you guys out if HIFICO has a booth.
Or would March be to late?
Someone should stand in handcuffs at the range with a sign saying they’re a felon and their only crime was having a box magazine.
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"Semi Auto is not a crime"
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"Semi Auto is not a crime"
but in Commiefornia, "Full Semi Auto" is.
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Heard from someone else about people burying their guns. Sounds like their might be a bit of non-compliance.
Since it is not yet illegal to have a plastic bag here, these are some excellent anti-corrosion bags for long term storage. Great for storing pretty much any metal that can corrode in the humidity here
https://www.bluguardvci.com/shop-vacuum/
On a side note I figured out the state legislature. They are like the insane people who run home owners associations who like everyone to do what they say.
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SENATE BILL 1334 (companion bill to HB 1303) was assigned to the JDC and PSM committee on the senate side.
I just got off the phone with Senator Nishihara's office as I am a constituent and the Senator is Chair of the PSM committee.
Spoke with "Alec" as the Senator was not available and he reiterated to me that "the Senator and his office is aware of the concerns" citing meeting with HiFiCo Zippz and others. Alec cites "wide sweeping bills tend to be problematic".
IF YOU HAVEN'T CALLED, PLEASE KEEP CALLING THESE COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
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Heard from someone else about people burying their guns. Sounds like their might be a bit of non-compliance.
Since it is not yet illegal to have a plastic bag here, these are some excellent anti-corrosion bags for long term storage. Great for storing pretty much any metal that can corrode in the humidity here
https://www.bluguardvci.com/shop-vacuum/
On a side note I figured out the state legislature. They are like the insane people who run home owners associations who like everyone to do what they say.
Or you could sell it to a friend in a free state for $1. Then buy it back for $1 if the law gets overturned.
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Talked to retired LEO today who did not hear about this bill yet. He has firearms at risk. He is going to be emailing his group to inform them to get them
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Talked to retired LEO today who did not hear about this bill yet. He has firearms at risk. He is going to be emailing his group to inform them to get them
Yes retired/former LEO is not excluded. But I'm sure they take care of their own, but that's not the point. I'm glad he will talk to his people/union.
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Yes retired/former LEO is not excluded. But I'm sure they take care of their own, but that's not the point. I'm glad he will talk to his people/union.
He said "I dont think they will shoot fellow officers but they are not giving them up"
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just tried calling lee's office, my call wouldnt go through. thats a good sign maybe they are getting tired of the phone calls. Keep it up people!
some good talking points:
this bill helps create a black market.
it will give another reason for young people (skilled laborers) to move away taking tax dollars with them.
it is an infringment on our chosen "lifestyle"(use their kind of talking points)
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Going to be just like CA
llllAssault rifle" means a semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:
But they refuse to define detachable so they can be ambiguous in their interpretation
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Yes retired/former LEO is not excluded. But I'm sure they take care of their own, but that's not the point. I'm glad he will talk to his people/union.
Interesting to note as the assistant to Senator Nishihara told me this morning that if they get into language that exempts certain demographics/groups, then it will run into a problem as it will conflict with the Constitution.
Im thinking "really?" Cause there's quite a BIT of things on the books that already conflict with the Constitution .... ;)
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Interesting to note as the assistant to Senator Nishihara told me this morning that if they get into language that exempts certain demographics/groups, then it will run into a problem as it will conflict with the Constitution.
Im thinking "really?" Cause there's quite a BIT of things on the books that already conflict with the Constitution .... ;)
You should ask him if he read the bill of rights recently. More specifically the 2nd part.
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Interesting to note as the assistant to Senator Nishihara told me this morning that if they get into language that exempts certain demographics/groups, then it will run into a problem as it will conflict with the Constitution.
Im thinking "really?" Cause there's quite a BIT of things on the books that already conflict with the Constitution .... ;)
did they say which translation of the constitution they were using? It is the one that is translated to japanese and back 5 times?
"A well-controlled militia of free countries to maintain the security and armed forces, and for the right to own armed groups, and should not encroach."
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ok, i started my own bill. need help finishing.....
HB1531-1
Measure Title:RELATING TO LIBTARD POLITICIANS.
Report Title: libtard; Dumbass politician; Ban
Description: Prohibits any person from voting, distributing, transporting, importing, bringing, or causing to be brought into the State; keeping for sale, or offering or exposing for sale; or transferring, manufacturing, possessing, selling, bartering, trading, gifting, or acquiring any libtard politician. Defines libtard. Authorizes the courts to impose an extended term of imprisonment for an offender who uses a libtard for your vote.
Companion:
Package: None
Current Referral:
Introducer(s): MMM
To be continued………
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To lighten the mood hopefully...
All of this crap sucks.
#semiautoisnotacrime(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190131/69414b3d6312772c8029570e373b9e23.jpg)
Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
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Here is my addition to the email, added in HB1303 next to SB1334
I am writing to you to express my opposition to House Bill 1303 (HB1303) and Senate Bill 1334 (SB1334). These bills are a wide-sweeping ban on a vast majority of commonly-owned firearms in the State of Hawaii used in competition, hunting, and self-defense. A similar attempt at a “assault weapon ban” failed in 2013 (Senate Bill 219 of 2013). It did not make it out of committee.
The attempt to re-define what is an “assault weapon” under HB1303 and SB1334 provides no identifiable facts or statistics that prove that the mere existence of these firearms amongst law-abiding citizens creates a public safety threat. In fact, the verbiage and reasoning in Section.1 of HB1303 and SB1334 readily admits Hawaii annually maintains one of the lowest amounts of firearm-related deaths and crimes in the nation yet looks to ban commonly-owned firearms that have existed in the hands of law-abiding Hawaii citizens for decades. What is the purpose of banning commonly-owned firearms when the statistics have shown that Hawaii is able to keep firearm deaths to an absolute minimum while these firearms have remained in the lawful possession of the public all this time?
Section 1. of HB1303 and SB1334 also states Hawaii already has an “assault weapons ban” in place, yet HB1303 and SB1334 argues that it “fails to ban assault rifles and assault shotguns”. This contradictory statement does not provide the reasoning behind what currently constitutes as an “Assault Rifle” or “Assault Shotgun” by definition yet attempts to solidify a definition by naming standard industry components (as named in Section 2.) with zero factual information with regards to “cause and effect” to public safety. Again, these industry standard components have legally existed in the State of Hawaii for decades as the State of Hawaii annually boasts tremendously LOW firearm-related casualties.
I reiterate that HB1303 and SB1334 lacks statistical proof that semi-auto rifles and the industry standard components it seeks to outlaw are responsible for firearm-related injuries or deaths in the State of Hawaii. Far too often handguns have been the tool criminals preferred as evident throughout the various news articles and headlines in local media over the years.
The facts with regards to the LOW amount of firearm related deaths in Hawaii are within the State Legislature’s own published report:
http://lrbhawaii.org/reports/legrpts/lrb/2018/18-01.pdf
If a ban were to pass and “grandfathering” of said firearms were “allowed”, what is to happen to innocent gun owners in the event said firearms are damaged beyond repair in a natural disaster? Or if one were to become a victim of a burglary? Safes have been broken into in the past. The law-abiding gun owner will not be able to reclaim/replace their private property due to such a ban.
Should either HB1303 or SB1334 make its way to the JDC, I request that HB1303 or SB1334 NOT be scheduled for a hearing from this committee and request that it must be removed from the 2019 legislative session.
I would also like to state that there are no protections in either bill for Law Enforcement Personnel. It would automatically turn those that are considered "Essential Personnel" into criminals.
I feel that this is a very slippery slope that these bills would put the State on. The fact that these bills would essentially be taking away our second amendment rights. It would be prohibiting our right to own firearms.
It would also cause many small businesses across the state to go out of business.
Please consider not hearing and remove these bills from the JDC schedule.
Mahalo for your time.
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Sent to Ohno and Rhoads, changed the verbiage for the committees they sit on
Here is my addition to the email, added in HB1303 next to SB1334
I am writing to you to express my opposition to House Bill 1303 (HB1303) and Senate Bill 1334 (SB1334). These bills are a wide-sweeping ban on a vast majority of commonly-owned firearms in the State of Hawaii used in competition, hunting, and self-defense. A similar attempt at a “assault weapon ban” failed in 2013 (Senate Bill 219 of 2013). It did not make it out of committee.
The attempt to re-define what is an “assault weapon” under HB1303 and SB1334 provides no identifiable facts or statistics that prove that the mere existence of these firearms amongst law-abiding citizens creates a public safety threat. In fact, the verbiage and reasoning in Section.1 of HB1303 and SB1334 readily admits Hawaii annually maintains one of the lowest amounts of firearm-related deaths and crimes in the nation yet looks to ban commonly-owned firearms that have existed in the hands of law-abiding Hawaii citizens for decades. What is the purpose of banning commonly-owned firearms when the statistics have shown that Hawaii is able to keep firearm deaths to an absolute minimum while these firearms have remained in the lawful possession of the public all this time?
Section 1. of HB1303 and SB1334 also states Hawaii already has an “assault weapons ban” in place, yet HB1303 and SB1334 argues that it “fails to ban assault rifles and assault shotguns”. This contradictory statement does not provide the reasoning behind what currently constitutes as an “Assault Rifle” or “Assault Shotgun” by definition yet attempts to solidify a definition by naming standard industry components (as named in Section 2.) with zero factual information with regards to “cause and effect” to public safety. Again, these industry standard components have legally existed in the State of Hawaii for decades as the State of Hawaii annually boasts tremendously LOW firearm-related casualties.
I reiterate that HB1303 and SB1334 lacks statistical proof that semi-auto rifles and the industry standard components it seeks to outlaw are responsible for firearm-related injuries or deaths in the State of Hawaii. Far too often handguns have been the tool criminals preferred as evident throughout the various news articles and headlines in local media over the years.
The facts with regards to the LOW amount of firearm related deaths in Hawaii are within the State Legislature’s own published report:
http://lrbhawaii.org/reports/legrpts/lrb/2018/18-01.pdf
If a ban were to pass and “grandfathering” of said firearms were “allowed”, what is to happen to innocent gun owners in the event said firearms are damaged beyond repair in a natural disaster? Or if one were to become a victim of a burglary? Safes have been broken into in the past. The law-abiding gun owner will not be able to reclaim/replace their private property due to such a ban.
Should either HB1303 or SB1334 make its way to the JDC, I request that HB1303 or SB1334 NOT be scheduled for a hearing from this committee and request that it must be removed from the 2019 legislative session.
I would also like to state that there are no protections in either bill for Law Enforcement Personnel. It would automatically turn those that are considered "Essential Personnel" into criminals.
I feel that this is a very slippery slope that these bills would put the State on. The fact that these bills would essentially be taking away our second amendment rights. It would be prohibiting our right to own firearms.
It would also cause many small businesses across the state to go out of business.
Please consider not hearing and remove these bills from the JDC schedule.
Mahalo for your time.
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Sent to Ohno and Rhoads, changed the verbiage for the committees they sit on
SB1334 is with the Senate Public Safety Committee FIRST, so you can target your emails to:
SENATE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY
Chair
Clarence K. Nishihara
Senate District 17
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 214
phone: 808-586-6970
fax: 808-586-6879
sennishihara@capitol.hawaii.gov
Vice Chair
Glenn Wakai
Senate District 15
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 407
phone: 808-586-8585
fax: 808-586-8588
senwakai@capitol.hawaii.gov
HB1531 and HB1303 are both with the HOUSE Public Safety Committee first and you can target your emails to:
HOUSE PUBLIC SAFETY (PVM)
CHAIR
Gregg Takayama
House District 34
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 323
phone: 808-586-6340
fax: 808-586-6341
reptakayama@Capitol.hawaii.gov
Cedric Asuega Gates
House District 44
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 311
phone: 808-586-8460
fax: 808-586-8464
repgates@Capitol.hawaii.gov
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Has anyone contacted local and national news stations?
This is being conducted under cover of darkness.
Might be good to share the info, for better or worse, with the general public.
The fact that the language of the three introduced measures looks suspiciously like California's statutes makes me wonder if there is some outside influence providing added pecuniary benefit to the representative or group of representatives who succesfully pass the measure.
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Regardless of unpopular or not, I would suggest that LEO and retired LEO get no "free pass."
... get more skin in the game, 'cause the left is truly pushing an All-or-Nothing agenda.
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Lotta "guests" recently visiting the site. :popcorn:
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Emailed in again today via HiFiCO. Then I saw this on FB from MrGunsandGear. Keep up the pressure! :shaka: ‘Murcia!
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Lotta "guests" recently visiting the site. :popcorn:
lol
heads
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Share the names of the House and Senate sponsors of the measures with Stephanie Ching and Brigette Namata, and ask Gina Mangieri to investigate.
Ask them to state the ramifications of this legislation, and let them ask the reason for the promulgation of such draconian measures.
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typically, Hawaii news media is anti-2A.
but they love covering a hot story, especially if it inflames or polarizes their viewership, even though the slant they'll present means rooting against the Bill of Rights. whatever it takes to generate advertising revenue.
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Perhaps so, but like I said, there is ZERO exposure of these measures.
Put the measures (and the sponsors) in the public eye, and let them answer to public.
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What if every owner, of a type that is planned to be banned, shows up to Kokohead, and other shooting ranges on other islands, with their weapons, all on the same day and have a "I am NOT A FELON" range day? Jam pack the place, share benches with everyone else, let each other try their stuff, just have a fun and awesome shooting event in protest.
I was brainstorming some plans for the future like a 10 mile road march with a rifle (in a case) and a large 2,000 person rally, march, and community day. My plan is to work small and work up to that in the following years to build a sense of community and activism. Who knows, if this bill goes down to the wire in April it'll motivate people to do something.
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Keep those emails flowing. Hundreds were sent out in a couple days. I've been visiting the legislature a couple times a week and the rep's staff says they've been getting a lot of emails about this and HB25 (hotel ban).
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I was brainstorming some plans for the future like a 10 mile road march with a rifle (in a case) and a large 2,000 person rally, march, and community day. My plan is to work small and work up to that in the following years to build a sense of community and activism. Who knows, if this bill goes down to the wire in April it'll motivate people to do something.
Don't forget locked case, if it crosses within 1000 feet of a school.
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Perhaps so, but like I said, there is ZERO exposure of these measures.
Put the measures (and the sponsors) in the public eye, and let them answer to public.
There are some conservative news in Hawaii, perhaps lets them present the story? The audience that reads them would probably be more receptive and get the word out to others not in the know.
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I was brainstorming some plans for the future like a 10 mile road march with a rifle (in a case) and a large 2,000 person rally, march, and community day. My plan is to work small and work up to that in the following years to build a sense of community and activism. Who knows, if this bill goes down to the wire in April it'll motivate people to do something.
That would be a little late no? Just thinking a very large range day would attract a lot of people easier. Plus there would be zero cause for the anti gun aspect to make noise about it.
Will be much easier to get the more timid portion of the gun community out to protest.
Lets face the facts that a good portion of Hawaii gun owners wont want to make waves. In our economy people won't want to face losing their jobs, homes, familes, and livelihood.
Like I said just putting it out there for thought. I have no bones in it as I can't be very active in it at this time in my life anymore. Just putting it out there.
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I've already heard people trying to figue ways, in their mind, how this wont be so bad for them or how it might not effect them.
That mentality is very deeply engrained. A full on ban of everything is the only thing that MIGHT have a slight chance of snapping people out of it. By that time, too late. They won, game over.
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I've already heard people trying to figue ways, in their mind, how this wont be so bad for them or how it might not effect them.
That mentality is very deeply engrained. A full on ban of everything is the only thing that MIGHT have a slight chance of snapping people out of it. By that time, too late. They won, game over.
Some of the people I've done mental health clearances for are not even slightly annoyed that they had to fly to another island to get me to allow them to practice a constitutionally protected right. Why isnt steam coming out of your ears? I'd be mad as hell if it was me.
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Some of the people I've done mental health clearances for are not even slightly annoyed that they had to fly to another island to get me to allow them to practice a constitutionally protected right. Why isnt steam coming out of your ears? I'd be mad as hell if it was me.
EXACTLY. Seems like many think of this as a privilege not a GOD GIVEN RIGHT.
Its FVKIN annoying
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My email to them (cut & pasted for the House Bills too), get your wives/girlfriends (or both!) to write in how this is stripping their ability to defend themselves, and how these senators & reps need to “shut up and stand up” for women (to quote Mazie):
Aloha. I wish to express my concern regarding Senate Bill 1334. I am a paramedic, and I realize full well the importance of having what you need- when you need it- during an emergency. Countless times I have seen disaster averted by a responsible citizen with an AED, fire extinguisher, or first-aid kit. Nearly as often, we have had to call HPD for backup with combative and violent patients, and waited for several tense minutes for them to arrive. That may not sound like a ton of time to you, but a lot can happen. My wife and I are responsible firearm owners, and I take comfort in knowing that she can defend herself if I’m away at work and someone decides to break into our apartment. We don’t live in a fancy building; we don’t have security guards on-site, the main doors are not 100% secure, and if even if my wife were able to call 911, HPD doesn’t have a key to gain access into our building. Her best option to defend herself is with a semi-automatic rifle. It is easier to control and aim than a pistol, holds more ammunitlion should she face multiple attackers, and the features that you use to define it as an “assault weapon” are the very features that allow us to both safely utilize it despite her being left-handed and a foot shorter than me.
Let’s be honest here: Hawaii does not have a gun problem. We have a drug problem. For you to propose banning firearms as a solution to a non-existent issue just appears to the citizens as toeing the party line and being too lazy to pursue a real solution. Studies have shown the “Assault Weapons Ban” of 1994 to have had no effect on reducing gun crime, no increase in “assault rifle” homicides since it ended, and that hammers and clubs have been responsible for more deaths than semi-auto rifles. There definitely is a correlation between mass shooters and psychiatric medications— specifically those on SSRIs for depression and ADHD meds. If you want to fix real problems, start with bills regulating these medications. I realize that the pharm lobby is far larger than the NRA, but taking this course of action will do more good than criminalizing law-abiding citizens for a feel-good law that’ll do little more than pad your resume come next election cycle.
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Add instances of armed, violent and other robberies and assaults here in Hawaii. Use news articles and any data from the AG reports
Violent crime is up. And no methods of defending ourselves. There is a reason porcupines have quills...
http://ag.hawaii.gov/cpja/crime-in-hawaii-2017/
January 11, 2019 —The State of Hawaii’s annual Uniform Crime Report, Crime in Hawaii, 2017, shows that in Calendar Year 2017, a total of 43,969 Index Crimes* were reported in the State of Hawaii, yielding a rate of 3,080 offenses per 100,000 resident population
Other highlights of Crime in Hawaii, 2017 include:
The rate of reported offenses for three violent Index Crime increased in the State of Hawaii in 2017: murder, by 11.5%; robbery, by 9.4%; and aggravated assault, by 3.5%.
Thirty-nine murders were reported statewide in 2017, marking an 11.4% increase as compared to the prior year. Males comprised 84% of the alleged murder offenders and 67% of the victims in 2017. Slightly more than half (53.9%) of the murder victims knew the offenders, and strongarm weapons (i.e., hands, fists, and feet) were used in about 41% of the murders.
Of the 3,010 murders, robberies, and aggravated assaults reported statewide in 2017, 43.3% were committed using strongarm weapons; 26.0% with “other” or unknown weapons; 19.0% with knives or other edged weapons; and 11.7% with firearms. (show that firearms are not the problem, people are - strongarm weapons)
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My email to them (cut & pasted for the House Bills too), get your wives/girlfriends (or both!) to write in how this is stripping their ability to defend themselves, and how these senators & reps need to “shut up and stand up” for women (to quote Mazie):
Aloha. I wish to express my concern regarding Senate Bill 1334. I am a paramedic, and I realize full well the importance of having what you need- when you need it- during an emergency. Countless times I have seen disaster averted by a responsible citizen with an AED, fire extinguisher, or first-aid kit. Nearly as often, we have had to call HPD for backup with combative and violent patients, and waited for several tense minutes for them to arrive. That may not sound like a ton of time to you, but a lot can happen. My wife and I are responsible firearm owners, and I take comfort in knowing that she can defend herself if I’m away at work and someone decides to break into our apartment. We don’t live in a fancy building; we don’t have security guards on-site, the main doors are not 100% secure, and if even if my wife were able to call 911, HPD doesn’t have a key to gain access into our building. Her best option to defend herself is with a semi-automatic rifle. It is easier to control and aim than a pistol, holds more ammunitlion should she face multiple attackers, and the features that you use to define it as an “assault weapon” are the very features that allow us to both safely utilize it despite her being left-handed and a foot shorter than me.
Let’s be honest here: Hawaii does not have a gun problem. We have a drug problem. For you to propose banning firearms as a solution to a non-existent issue just appears to the citizens as toeing the party line and being too lazy to pursue a real solution. Studies have shown the “Assault Weapons Ban” of 1994 to have had no effect on reducing gun crime, no increase in “assault rifle” homicides since it ended, and that hammers and clubs have been responsible for more deaths than semi-auto rifles. There definitely is a correlation between mass shooters and psychiatric medications— specifically those on SSRIs for depression and ADHD meds. If you want to fix real problems, start with bills regulating these medications. I realize that the pharm lobby is far larger than the NRA, but taking this course of action will do more good than criminalizing law-abiding citizens for a feel-good law that’ll do little more than pad your resume come next election cycle.
#TRUTH
#micdrop
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My email to them (cut & pasted for the House Bills too), get your wives/girlfriends (or both!) to write in how this is stripping their ability to defend themselves, and how these senators & reps need to “shut up and stand up” for women (to quote Mazie):
Aloha. I wish to express my concern regarding Senate Bill 1334. I am a paramedic, and I realize full well the importance of having what you need- when you need it- during an emergency. Countless times I have seen disaster averted by a responsible citizen with an AED, fire extinguisher, or first-aid kit. Nearly as often, we have had to call HPD for backup with combative and violent patients, and waited for several tense minutes for them to arrive. That may not sound like a ton of time to you, but a lot can happen. My wife and I are responsible firearm owners, and I take comfort in knowing that she can defend herself if I’m away at work and someone decides to break into our apartment. We don’t live in a fancy building; we don’t have security guards on-site, the main doors are not 100% secure, and if even if my wife were able to call 911, HPD doesn’t have a key to gain access into our building. Her best option to defend herself is with a semi-automatic rifle. It is easier to control and aim than a pistol, holds more ammunitlion should she face multiple attackers, and the features that you use to define it as an “assault weapon” are the very features that allow us to both safely utilize it despite her being left-handed and a foot shorter than me.
Let’s be honest here: Hawaii does not have a gun problem. We have a drug problem. For you to propose banning firearms as a solution to a non-existent issue just appears to the citizens as toeing the party line and being too lazy to pursue a real solution. Studies have shown the “Assault Weapons Ban” of 1994 to have had no effect on reducing gun crime, no increase in “assault rifle” homicides since it ended, and that hammers and clubs have been responsible for more deaths than semi-auto rifles. There definitely is a correlation between mass shooters and psychiatric medications— specifically those on SSRIs for depression and ADHD meds. If you want to fix real problems, start with bills regulating these medications. I realize that the pharm lobby is far larger than the NRA, but taking this course of action will do more good than criminalizing law-abiding citizens for a feel-good law that’ll do little more than pad your resume come next election cycle.
OUTSTANDING testimony! :shaka:
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The response I got from Sen. Wakai's office:
Aloha XXXX,
I will keep an eye on SB 1334. So far it hasn’t been scheduled for a hearing.
Thank you for alerting me to this measure and for conveying your thoughts on it.
Mahalo,
Glenn
My original email to him:
Senator Wakai
Senate District 15
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 407
Re: SB1334
Aloha Senator Wakai,
I know you are very busy with the new session, so I’ll be brief. I recently found out that SB1334 has been introduced and I would urge you to oppose it. I’m not sure if you’ve had a chance to read it, but it would turn every gun owner on Oahu into a felon with the stroke of a pen.
The bill turns almost every rifle, with the exception of perhaps, black powder muskets and lever action cowboy style rifles, into assault weapons. Yes, that’s correct, the bolt action rifle someone uses to harvest feral pigs or axis deer, would become an “assault weapon”. The standard issue handgun for HPD, the Glock, would also be considered and “assault weapon” by this bill’s definition. Even the venerable .22 cal rifle used to by the Boy Scouts would be an “assault weapon” because it has a detachable magazine. The air rifles used by the Moanalua High School air riflery team would be illegal to posses, let alone compete with locally, because the rifles have a thumbhole stock that would classify them as “assault weapons” .
As you can see the only people impacted by this bill are the law abiding ones. This bill would have zero impact on crime because as you well know, criminals don’t follow laws to begin with. I would hope that you would be in agreement with myself and other law abiding gun owners.
Sincerely,
XXXXX
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I used the firearms coalition email to send a message but is the bill open to submitting testimony yet?
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I used the firearms coalition email to send a message but is the bill open to submitting testimony yet?
not yet
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not yet
Ok, good. Was afraid I missed it. I will be there giving testimony in person (if they don't try to cancel it)
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just got this email, I used reps@capitol.hawaii.gov to email all reps about the House Bills and sens@capitol.hawaii.gov for the Senate bills
Aloha e Steve,
Mahalo for your email regarding SB 1334. I’m taking a close look at this bill.
Best wishes to you and your ‘ohana.
Me ke aloha pumehana,
Senator Mike Gabbard
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just got this email, I used reps@capitol.hawaii.gov to email all reps about the House Bills and sens@capitol.hawaii.gov for the Senate bills
Aloha e Steve,
Mahalo for your email regarding SB 1334. I’m taking a close look at this bill.
Best wishes to you and your ‘ohana.
Me ke aloha pumehana,
Senator Mike Gabbard
I just got that exact response from Senator Gabbard as well.
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Senator Gabbard is the only legislator that has ever responded to my many emails to all the legislators. He also was the only one who was willing to sponsor and introduce the three bills (repeal electric gun ban, handgun mags limit from 10 to 17, "shall issue" CCW) I asked him to introduce (okay, even he wouldn't introduce my requested "permitless carry" bill... :geekdanc:). What does it say about our legislature, and the strategy of using legislative means to have our rights restored, when even the few "Republicans" fail to even acknowledge such communications? Seems they are only willing to consider taking action when there is a pending judicial judgment against them (electric gun ban, open carry). Even then the strategy seems to be to introduce even more draconian measures (treat electric guns as firearms, e.g. registration, licensing, training, etc., or impose even more ludicrous requirements should any ordinary citizen ever be granted a license to carry, etc.). I guess we gotta try anyway.
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Maybe send this meme to all the legislators? Maybe not... but I'm just sayin'... ah, what the hell, I'm already on all the lists...
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51389727_334935633778216_3423347187000541184_n.png?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=f7ef13207ac350615fde38b2945f7315&oe=5CEEF351)
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Already heard the first story of people out burying their rifles.
as they say, if it is time to bury your guns it is time to use them. But at least burying them is better than confiscation.
Reid Heinrichs, Valor Ridge, 12 minutes. 2A isn't about burying your guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWeKtL9viT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWeKtL9viT0)
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Reid Heinrichs, Valor Ridge, 12 minutes. 2A isn't about burying your guns.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWeKtL9viT0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWeKtL9viT0)
Blowhard Gun Nut! Giving away the ops strategies to the enemy!
But seriously, I was laughing out loud... never seen him that worked up before. Good for him.
I wonder if anyone will listen?
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I seriously thought he was going to mention HI when talking about gun grabber states. But I guess no one cares about us.
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emailed all senators and representatives
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I seriously thought he was going to mention HI when talking about gun grabber states. But I guess no one cares about us.
we have Hoe Leiomano and Ihe , not firearms.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoFxSBbiVJM
Our 2A brethren in Oregon face a similar battle with D supermajorities in both Houses. He makes a few good talking points that I'll be including in future opposition letters.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoFxSBbiVJM
Our 2A brethren in Oregon face a similar battle with D supermajorities in both Houses. He makes a few good talking points that I'll be including in future opposition letters.
That kid's bill died in committee Friday but was likely a diversion for the other anti-gun bills submitted and made it through committee in Oregon. The one signature petition his briefly mentioned at the beginning that got shot down by the oregon supreme court was because of the name the AG gave it was determined to be illegal. Several pro-gun oregon groups had to fight that. But it was just introduced again for the 2020 legislature. It basically makes every gun an assault weapon and bans them (The church that is pushing the petition hides illegal aliens from ICE, one of them has a multi-million dollar home in Portland).
There is a coordinated effort across the country to try to ban guns. Legal or illegal, constitutional or not (mostly not).
I give them credit for being organized and coordinated. Day 1 after the elections and day 1 of state legislatures opening for session there were a flood of anti-gun bills across the country.
Imagine if gun owners did everything legal and illegal, constitutional or not to oppose them We mostly sit around and whine that we may offend anti-guners if we use to strong of words.
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We mostly sit around and whine that we may offend anti-guners if we use to strong of words.
I say fuck those people.
(https://i.imgur.com/NoKTSKF.jpg)
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Thank you to the gentlemen at the Hawaii Firearms Coalition. For those writing testimony and or letters. I would like to hang some of my testimony here so others can use it as a go by. Not sure what its worth, but this is a topic i do know a little bit about. If there is a desire for more ill post other testimony so you guys can use it for your own. Im skeptical anyone is actually listening. But we need to do what we can.
To whom it may concern regarding SB556 which adds an additional requirement for notification of the FBI Terrorist Screening Center to the gun permit application background check.
I respectfully ask that you oppose this bill for the following reasons:
1. These checks will not result in terrorists being unable to obtain a firearm. Being on the list does not mean that you are guilty of terrorism. It means that you are under suspicion. In the United States you are innocent until proven guilty. The 14th Amendment of the constitution demands due process and equal protection under the law. Furthermore, how does the FBI intend to receive, handle, transmit, and store the information of honest, law abiding US citizens personal information that is submitted to the TSC?
2. Related to the above – the TSC is fraught with errors and dangers to civil liberties. Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Calif was mistakenly added to the Terrorist Watch List and was not able to fly. Additional Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass was also on the terror watch list. McClintock was mistaken for an IRA terrorist and spent months getting off of the list. Ted Kennedy took months to clear his name. Imagine what it takes for a normal person – not a politician? The TSC has a very low standard for nomination. You don’t need a complete criminal case or a trial. You just have to be suspected. This is a clear violation of the 14th Amendment, especially since it infringes on the 2nd Amendment. There is not a constitutional right to fly, but there is one to keep and bear arms. Even the ACLU has stated that the TSC is a violation of basic civil liberties.
3. Submitting names to the TSC will add to the burden already borne by US law enforcement and intelligence officials. Instead of hunting for terrorists, the bill will have them hunting honest citizens. Furthermore – there is no federal law authorizing the TSC to provide this kind of screening for gun control. Unless there is federal legislation this bill will be worthless.
4. TSC screening is ineffective as a means of preventing terrorism. It by itself will not prevent terror attacks. Only a full investigation and authorized, warranted surveillance will prevent an attack before it occurs.
5. Being on the terrorist watch list did not prevent the pulse night club shooting: Omar Mateen was on the list but was taken off by the FBI. He was taken off because they did not have a viable investigation. He committed no crime until then. The Boston Bombers: One of Tsarnaev brothers who conducted the boston marathon bombing were also on the list and it did not prevent them from building a pressure cooker bomber. They did not use a gun. Nor did the terrorist in the 2016 Nice, France attack – that man used a truck, and the 2018 New York Truck Attack – did not use again. This bill will be completely ineffective in prevent terror.
6. However this bill will be effective in targeting honest, law abiding citizens. It will have a chilling effect on those who practice and enjoy their 2nd amendment rights. The chilling effect comes from the threat that their names will be sent to the FBI to go into the same database that terrorists are in. This appears to send a dark message: as gun owners can be assumed to be a part of a specific political, social, and economic stripe: be warned. This is hardly a message of Aloha in the Aloha State.
7. These gun control bills waste legislative time when the Senate needs to be focused on issues that are making Hawaii unlivable: the cost of health care, care for our elderly, the cost of housing, our gridlocked highways, homelessness, and mental health. Focus on issues that matter for the most people – not narrow bills that’s victimizes men and women who serve and law-abiding citizens who are part of your solution and not the problem. This bill will feel good to those who pass it. The majority of honest people won’t know that it even passed. The only ones who will are the ones who face criminalization for owning a firearm in hawaii.
8. I urge you to not support future bills that target law abiding citizens with infringements on their constitutional rights. Target criminals.
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Done, submitted testimony through Hawaii Firearms Coalition website opposing these bills. Thank you Hawaii Firearms Coalition for making it easy for us to do so.
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Zipps/london, contact dogs of war 808 (airsoft). I msg them via IG and they havent heard of the bills.
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ONE AWB down, TWO REMAIN. HB1531 did not meet it's triple referral deadline at 6pm HST 02/07/2019, therefore its considered dead for 2019... but they'll try AGAIN in 2020.
HB 1303 AND SB 1334 REMAIN IN THEIR RESPECTIVE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEES.
Two bills, SAME GOAL - to ban and confiscate pretty much every common semi auto rifle and semi auto shotgun and certain pistols from in existence from Hawaii.
As of this post both bills remain with their respective Public Safety Committees and no hearing has been scheduled YET, but you can get ahead of the game and start contacting committee members and state "I OPPOSE BILL" and "REQUEST NO HEARING BE SCHEDULED" as follows:
STATE "I OPPOSE HOUSE BILL SB1303":
HOUSE PUBLIC SAFETY (PVM)
CHAIR
Gregg Takayama
House District 34
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 323
phone: 808-586-6340
fax: 808-586-6341
reptakayama@Capitol.hawaii.gov
Cedric Asuega Gates
House District 44
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 311
phone: 808-586-8460
fax: 808-586-8464
repgates@Capitol.hawaii.gov
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY (JUD):
CHAIR
Chris Lee
House District 51
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 302
phone: 808-586-9450
fax: 808-586-9456
replee@Capitol.hawaii.gov
VICE CHAIR
Joy A. San Buenaventura
House District 4
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 442
phone: 808-586-6530
fax: 808-586-6531
repsanbuenaventura@Capitol.hawaii.gov
TO STATE "I OPPOSE SENATE BILL SB1334":
SENATE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY
Chair
Clarence K. Nishihara
Senate District 17
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 214
phone: 808-586-6970
fax: 808-586-6879
sennishihara@capitol.hawaii.gov
Vice Chair
Glenn Wakai
Senate District 15
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 407
phone: 808-586-8585
fax: 808-586-8588
senwakai@capitol.hawaii.gov
SENATE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY:
CHAIR
Karl Rhoads
Senate District 13
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 204
phone: 808-586-6130
fax: 808-586-6131
senrhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov
VICE Vice Chair
Glenn Wakai
Senate District 15
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 407
phone: 808-586-8585
fax: 808-586-8588
senwakai@capitol.hawaii.gov
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From Takashi Ohno's office. Does this mean the house Bill is dead until 2020? I had emailed him requesting that if the bill came through to the PVM committee that it not be given a hearing
Thank you for your thoughtful response to HB1303. I enjoyed reading your email, and I always learn a lot in this job.
HB1303 had to be heard in committee by today to stay alive. It was not given a hearing, and as a result the bill is dead for this session.
Mahalo and stay in touch,
Takashi Ohno
Hawaii State Representative
Hawaii State Capitol, Room 435
808-586-9415 | repohno@capitol.hawaii.gov
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From Takashi Ohno's office. Does this mean the house Bill is dead until 2020?
Update:
Sorry got the bills mixed up. HB1531 is dead. Rep probably confused AWB HB1531 with HB1303. Ohno sponsored HB1531. The deadline for 1303 to go to committee is next Friday.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=33158.0
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Gun collective
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b7B2YKEUtls
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Aloha All,
Sent my testimony to the provided POC's using some of the verbiage suggestions from you all. Thank you again and hopefully we get enough support to stop this attack on our freedoms.