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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: zippz on January 23, 2019, 10:36:42 PM
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Here are the bills I screened. Please let me know if I missed any. This is constantly updated
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-rRk6BhJpXk_BwlLctRk2LgZS4RInliAybFr1HYQUC0/edit?usp=sharing
Watch our discussion of the bills at https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=296883631028771&id=416733928814508.
Learn about the legislative process and how to testify by watching the "YOUR VOICE" video at http://lrbhawaii.org/par/vidi.html
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zippz, I really appreciate all the work you have put into creating and updating this spreadsheet. Thank you! :shaka:
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Coming up on the deadline for bill introduction, last ones should come in tomorrow morning...but don't forget gut and replace!
AG's electric gun ban repeal is out HB 1473. Lee put out his own version with crazy CCW changes in HB1473 and the scary Short Form Relating to Firearms HB1475.
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Current list of Firearms bills.
www.hifico.org/bills (http://www.hifico.org/bills)
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Coming up on the deadline for bill introduction, last ones should come in tomorrow morning...but don't forget gut and replace!
AG's electric gun ban repeal is out HB 1473. Lee put out his own version with crazy CCW changes in HB1473 HB1486 and the scary Short Form Relating to Firearms HB1475.
That is some super dumbass shit! A regular dumbass couldn't come up with that... he must take a course every six months (as he proposes for carry license holders) to be a registered super dumbass. (https://i.imgur.com/vTsXkxv.gif)
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That is some super dumbass shit! A regular dumbass couldn't come up with that... he must take a course every six months (as he proposes for carry license holders) to be a registered super dumbass. (https://i.imgur.com/vTsXkxv.gif)
ah, yes, more training for those 4 people with carry licenses. That's some damn good, grade A, legislatin' right thar
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Damn SB1466 ERPO. These are the no trial, found guilty, 1st class hanging types of laws that will be the ruin of the 2nd Amendment. All records sealed. No proof required, just "i was afeared fer my life yur honers..." :grrr:
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Added what should be the last batch of bills...
HB1543 Family/LE Protective order to prevent access to firearms.
HB1531 Bans assault rifles/shotguns/pistols
HB 1541 Establish AG gun violence prevention center
That's a lot of bills compared to last year. 25 Bills. They are really pushing the AWB this year. We haven't seen one for a long time.
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Most of the committee assignments are updated. Committee hearings have started on some bills and will ramp up.
I'm still waiting for the Hunters caucus to advise me on what hunting bills they support/oppose.
All the bills are out, though the short form and gut and replace are still in effect.
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People on the outer islands should submit testimony for SB337 which allows for remote testimony at committee hearings. Due by 245pm tomorrow.
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Various DLNR and AGR funding bills are up for hearings, not sure if it helps / hurts / or not related to hunters and eradication or sustainability. Let me know if you know.
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First time I'm posting anything, first time I wrote to my congressman... I wrote my congressman to try to prevent HB1303 from getting passed. This is a portion of what I wrote, please use if you feel it might help.
A criminal or deranged person that is bent on mayhem will use what ever means available to reach their objective as you see in the news all the time. A responsible citizen should not have their freedoms limited by fear of the potential.
Aloha
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Minor bill updates. SB337 remote testimony TEC passed unamended. SB1174 HCJDC able to set fees is up for hearing JDC 2-5-19
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Lots of hearings announced. Remember testimony is due 24 hours prior to the hearing or else it'll be marked late (and possibly not included). you can submit testimony on the easy form at www.hifico.org for some bills, or click the bill link (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-rRk6BhJpXk_BwlLctRk2LgZS4RInliAybFr1HYQUC0/edit?usp=sharing) to submit testimony on the official capitol page. Either way.
Related to Firearms:
Hearings scheduled: HB1541, SB556, SB600, SB621, SB1321, SB1466
Related to hun\ting:
Hearings scheduled HB590, HB591, HB1325, SB324
Hearings completed SB923, SB924, SB1150
Other bills:
Hearing completed: HB342, HB1176
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I submitted online testimony.
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testimony submitted
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Testimony for hb1541 "gun violence research center" and 4 hunting related bills are due by 10am today. If not by 10am still get em in tonight though it'll be marked late.
5 other gun bill testimonies are due tomorrow by 115pm for hearings on Thursday.
Go to www.hifico.org for more info.
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Gave you HIFICO guys a shout out on KHVH 830 this morning. 3 hour mark if you're interested. Didn't have tons of time with Rick as he squeezed me in between guests. Keep up the great work guys.
https://www.facebook.com/khvhradio/videos/1299610560203777/
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Gentlemen, at this point I think I've been through a couple cycles of email, calls to committee chairs, calls to my own rep and senator, weekend voice mailbox fill up attempts, and even snail mail letters to committee members. Now that we're up to testimony I want to make sure I'm putting out my best work but my head is spinning from cranking out so much content.
1. If I accidentally submit testimony twice through the HiFiCo website am I causing you guys problems?
2. Is it possible to list by date when the bills open up for testimony? This would help me to keep track of what I have and haven't submitted on. I missed the hunting bills this morning (and felt rotten about it) and in this climate even though I have a small voice I want to make sure I add it to the chorus.
3. Alternately if HiFiCo is sending out emails as the Bills open that would be helpful. (I haven't gotten any email from you chaps since 1/24 and I fear I've fallen off the list.) That way I could keep them marked as unread until I submit the testimony for them. I know you guys are on Facebook but I've been off that platform for years now as I don't need my employers seeing my personal antics.
My spread sheet skills are pretty much zero or I'd tackle it myself. I know you guys are doing a ton of work already and I'm not trying to be critical. If you've got a system in place that I've missed let me know, I just want to make sure I'm having as much impact as possible.
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Gave you HIFICO guys a shout out on KHVH 830 this morning. 3 hour mark if you're interested. Didn't have tons of time with Rick as he squeezed me in between guests. Keep up the great work guys.
https://www.facebook.com/khvhradio/videos/1299610560203777/
Narrowed the time line down : should start a few seconds before the gun stuff. Mahalo for the shutout. The more people we get access to the submissions pages the better it is for all of us.
https://www.facebook.com/khvhradio/videos/1299610560203777/?t=10925
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https://youtu.be/UdkgWxdIs5U?t=4
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Gentlemen, at this point I think I've been through a couple cycles of email, calls to committee chairs, calls to my own rep and senator, weekend voice mailbox fill up attempts, and even snail mail letters to committee members. Now that we're up to testimony I want to make sure I'm putting out my best work but my head is spinning from cranking out so much content.
1. If I accidentally submit testimony twice through the HiFiCo website am I causing you guys problems?
2. Is it possible to list by date when the bills open up for testimony? This would help me to keep track of what I have and haven't submitted on. I missed the hunting bills this morning (and felt rotten about it) and in this climate even though I have a small voice I want to make sure I add it to the chorus.
3. Alternately if HiFiCo is sending out emails as the Bills open that would be helpful. (I haven't gotten any email from you chaps since 1/24 and I fear I've fallen off the list.) That way I could keep them marked as unread until I submit the testimony for them. I know you guys are on Facebook but I've been off that platform for years now as I don't need my employers seeing my personal antics.
My spread sheet skills are pretty much zero or I'd tackle it myself. I know you guys are doing a ton of work already and I'm not trying to be critical. If you've got a system in place that I've missed let me know, I just want to make sure I'm having as much impact as possible.
1. You want to avoid submitting twice. The clerks at the capitol should be filtering it out though.
2. The spreadsheet tracker in the first post is constantly updated and tells you when the committee hearings are. Seems like a lot of people are seeing the tracker or is it just me?
3. Sorry we've been consumed by everything going on so have been slacking on emails. We'll try and get that back up and running.
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Mrs. Change signed up for HIFICO.
Will donate something when I get paid this month.
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We had a fuckup for lack of a better word with the mailing list. It’s fixed sortoff and regular programming should start this weekend.
We also don’t want to spam the heck out of people so the most bestest way to get updates is from our Facebook page, and from the homepage of our site (which mirrors our FB page)
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Updates on 2-7-19
It's the Triple Referral Deadline today so bills with 3 or more committees (joint committees count as 1) that haven't been in a committee yet are dead. This drops off
HB879, HB884, HB1473, HB1531.
Notable ones are the Electric gun ban repeal (Andrews v Roberts) and AWB 2 features.
Remember sometimes the dead rise back up.
Hearings for the following:
Passed - HB1541, SB556, SB600, SB621, SB1466....Hunting bills HB590, HB591, HB1325, SB324
Deferred - SB556
Should see more committee hearings coming up tomorrow afternoon. Next deadline is Feb 15th First Lateral where they must be in their last committee after this day.
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Updates on 2-7-19
It's the Triple Referral Deadline today so bills with 3 or more committees (joint committees count as 1) that haven't been in a committee yet are dead. This drops off
HB879, HB884, HB1473, HB1531.
Notable ones are the Electric gun ban repeal (Andrews v Roberts) and AWB 2 features.
Remember sometimes the dead rise back up.
Hearings for the following:
Passed - HB1541, SB556, SB600, SB621, SB1466....Hunting bills HB590, HB591, HB1325, SB324
Deferred - SB556
Should see more committee hearings coming up tomorrow afternoon. Next deadline is Feb 15th First Lateral where they must be in their last committee after this day.
One down, TWO "Assault" weapon bans remain. SB1334 and it's companion bill HB1303.
Keep sending emails to those committee members to state
"I OPPOSE HB1303" AT www.HIFICO.org/Stop
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"I OPPOSE SB1334" AT www.HIFICO.org/NO
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And the fun continues on to be more funner.
Gun Bills for hearing
HB720 Req to report lost, stolen, etc firearms. Similar or same as the senate one heard this week.
HB950 AG "may" issue LEOSA credentials
HB1486 Rep Lee's CCW - dual wield taser and handgun - and electric gun repeal. If it comes from Lee, you know it can't be good.
HB1543 Protective orders. Similar or same as the senate one heard this week.
Hunting
SB323 GMAC/DLNR coordination bill
Lets hope no more gun control bills come up next week, especially the AWB.
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Bunch -o- bills up for hearing trying to beat Friday's first lateral deadline....
HB1541 gun violence research center in it's 2nd committee.
HB1325 GMAC hunting bill in it's 2nd committee
and a bunch in the "other" section to include hb792 regarding deadly force.
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If we submitted for the 1st committee testimony via the capitol website, do we have to submit again for 2nd commitee?
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If we submitted for the 1st committee testimony via the capitol website, do we have to submit again for 2nd commitee?
Yes. each time.
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Hb342 popped up for hearings on thursday regarding firearms investments.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=342&year=2019
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Hb 342 popped up for Thursday hearing regarding firearms investments. https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=342&year=2019
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Bills updated. Had a bunch of committee hearings today with some recommending deferral, some passing. Hopefully HB1486 on the bad CCW changes is indeed deferred.
Some bills will drop off with the First Lateral deadline on Friday.
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Bills updated. Had a bunch of committee hearings today with some recommending deferral, some passing. Hopefully HB1486 on the bad CCW changes is indeed deferred.
Some bills will drop off with the First Lateral deadline on Friday.
So if the AWB are not assigned a time and date by Friday, they're dead?
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So if the AWB are not assigned a time and date by Friday, they're dead?
Friday is when bills with two referrals need to be with the SECOND committee. Both SB1334 and HB1303 were still with their FIRST committee.
In speaking with both House and Senate clerks over the phone I was able to clarify that under normal circumstances, the remaining AWBs HB1303 and SB1334 are dead already for 2019 as the deadlines to schedule a hearing expired as follows:
For HB1303 it was with the House PVM commitee, they meet on Wednesday and Friday and had until Thursday to hold a hearing. Hearings need to be scheduled in the house 48 hours prior to Thursday. So its dead.
For SB1334 it was with the Senate PSM, they meet on Tuesdays and Thursdays and had until Thursday also to hold a hearing. Hearings for the Senate need to be scheduled 72 hours in advance prior to Thursday. So its dead.
HOWEVER in both situations the committees can request a waiver of the 48 and 72 hour periods and just schedule a hearing asap, but that rarely happens. The first committees could also WAIVE themselves thus turning a bill into a SINGLE referral and thus giving the bill until March 1st to get a hearing with the sole committee now assigned to it.
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So whens the deadline for HB1531? The final AWB?
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So whens the deadline for HB1531? The final AWB?
It was a triple referral we're past that deadline as it was Feb 7th. That one is dead for sure.
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So are all the AWB dead for this session?
*Edit-Just called Chris Lee's office and they're all dead.
So our calls and emails worked. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Gonna buy more shit now.
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*Edit-Just called Chris Lee's office and they're all dead.
Imagine if they said oh we forgot about that one thanks for reminding us.
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Imagine if they said oh we forgot about that one thanks for reminding us.
Wouldnt that be a bitch.
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Any suggestions on improvements to this list?
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Fire missions for priority bills like awb are good and easy
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First lateral deadline was yesterday so lots of bills dropped off. A bunch more will drop off when the recommended deferrals are confirmed.
Hearings next week in the senate for the "missing testimony" bills. This hearing is for written testimony only, no oral testimony. So write your testimony and meet with the committee senators to make your voice heard.
One bill in the house for HB720 lost/stolen/destroyed firearm reporing.
SB337 remote testimonies is making it's way into committee hearing too. Looks like this might pass this year.
Next deadline is March 1st for "first decking". Committee hearings must be completed.
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On Thursday, we delivered over 1,300 testimonies for the 4 bills being heard on Friday and had groups meet with the legislators and staff. Friday's committee hearing was still against us, but we had a few no votes and reservations this time so it was a little closer. We're improving our methods and building up our base to be successful in the future.
(https://i.imgur.com/TvDlbSx.jpg)
I'm disappointed that SB1321 Registration Amnesty was deferred. Not sure why since many legislators and HPD support the bill. Will have to wait for the committee report to come out.
SB600 Prohibit Firearms Importation Under 21 was passed unamended. This is the bill I really want to kill. Props to Gabbard for voting "no" which is a rarity in committee. Fevella was "excused" which is kinda like opposing it, not sure why he didn't just vote no. I was really hoping Wakai would vote "no" which would be the 3rd and swing vote to defer it, but no such luck.
SB621 Report Lost, Stolen, Destroyed Firearms was passed 4 to 0 with Fevella excused again.
SB1466 Protective Orders passed with 2 yes votes and 3 with reservations from Wakai, Gabbard, and Fevella. Many times w/reservations is like a no vote, but I guess it needed a little more push to oppose this bill. This bill had many testimonies from Mom's Demand Action and also victims of gun shootings and domestic violence, but still overwhelming opposed testimonies.
Coming up on Monday is HB1541 on Gun Violence Research Center which is in the Finance Committee. Also HB1325 GMAC bill on Watersheds, which still has the neutered language which we are against saying GMAC is to be "notified" instead of "coordinate" with DLNR on hunting related watershed projects.
In the other bills section
SB337 on remote testimony is moving forward.
HB456 and 1176 authorizing tasers for Sheriffs and DOT is up for FINANCE hearings.
Added HB1488 Capitol security measures to the tracking list for awareness
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I'm disappointed that SB1321 Registration Amnesty was deferred. Not sure why since many legislators and HPD support the bill. Will have to wait for the committee report to come out.
Not sure why ?
ITS BECAUSE GUN OWNERS WERE SUPPORTING IT
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The first part of the legislative session is coming to a close with the first crossover (surviving bills switch between House and Senate) coming up on March 7th. The surviving bills will head to a 3rd reading on Feb 28th, March 1st or 5th. The 3rd reading is the House or Senate floor vote before all 71 or 25 legislators. Each legislator will cast a yea or nay vote for each bill. This is when you must contact your district legislator to urge them to support or oppose the bill. It's very difficult to change the outcome of a floor vote since most follow the committees recommendations, but we will do our best and see if your legislator supports or opposes the 2nd amendment. Instructions will be posted on the HIFICO website.
HB950 LEOSA passed Rep Lee's Judiciary committee through the urging of the Governor. Fixes administration of the LEOSA CCW permits for prior law enforcement, but it is still "may issue."
HB1541 Gun Violence Prevention Center passed through Finance committee which focuses on the funding and fiscal law. The State Dept of Budget and Finance wrote that it's unsure if the center would have sustainable funding for it's 3 or 4 researchers at UH. I heard the State will not fund it, rather it'll be funded through grants and donations from organizations and individuals, which could bias the research results. Imagine if Bezos or Bloomberg funded it. UH supported this bill and wrongly stated that the CDC cannot fund gun violence research.
SB600 and SB1466 are scheduled for Senate floor votes among the 25 Senators. The other bills will follow.
HB1325 hunting related bill passed Finance. SB337 Remote Testimony is going on to a floor vote. I don't think last year's Remote Testimony bill made it this far.
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The first decking deadline passed on Friday eliminating a few other bills that didn't get to their last committee.
The 3 remaining house bills passed the third floor vote. HB950 LEOSA made it through without any "no" votes. HB720 "lost/stolen/destroyed" and HB1541 "protective orders" received a a few no and reservation votes with Rep Kong voting no on both bills. It's uncommon to get no votes from members of the party in power.
The 3 remaining Senate bills will go for a floor vote on March 5th so talk or email your Senators to encourage them to vote no.
The only Pro-hunting bill HB1325 GMAC/Watershed/suspend erradication passed third reading.
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Are SB1334, HB1303 and HB1531 (the AWB bills) all dead for this year?
Are all bills that have red background on HIFICO.ORG dead?
Thanks.
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Are SB1334, HB1303 and HB1531 (the AWB bills) all dead for this year?
Are all bills that have red background on HIFICO.ORG dead?
Thanks.
yes
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yes
That's Great!
Gotta keep the pressure on and get even more of us 2A supporters out of the woodwork.
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The 3 house bills crossed over to the Senate and passed first reading. They will then be referred to committees to start the process over again.
The 3 senate bills passed third reading garning with reservations from a few, no votes from Gabbard and Fevella on a couple, and Reviere with a no vote on one. They'll now crossover to the House to repeat the process over.
HB1325 GMAC Hunting pass third reading and will crossover to the Senate. SB337 Remote Testimony will also crossover to the House.
Two new Senate resolutions popped up. SR29 and SCR42 urges Congress to repeal or amend the 2nd Amendment. They were introduced last year but didn't get a hearing.
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The 3 house bills crossed over to the Senate and passed first reading. They will then be referred to committees to start the process over again.
The 3 senate bills passed third reading garning with reservations from a few, no votes from Gabbard and Fevella on a couple, and Reviere with a no vote on one. They'll now crossover to the House to repeat the process over.
HB1325 GMAC Hunting pass third reading and will crossover to the Senate. SB337 Remote Testimony will also crossover to the House.
Two new Senate resolutions popped up. SR29 and SCR42 urges Congress to repeal or amend the 2nd Amendment. They were introduced last year but didn't get a hearing.
Just resolutions but who introduced them? They should be on the radar.
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Baker,Rhoads,Chang,Theilen,Kanuha.
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Two new Senate resolutions popped up. SR29 and SCR42 urges Congress to repeal or amend the 2nd Amendment. They were introduced last year but didn't get a hearing.
Only 20% of the Hawaii state senate signed on to sponsor repealing the Second Amendment? I guess the memo didn't get out.
Of course Rhoads was one of those five...
I urge people to read the resolution/concurrent resolution. It read just like a bunch of the bills introduced this session. Lies and distortions in the service of the glorious end of total civilian disarmament. This is what they are really seeking. All these bills chipping away at it are just that... "a good first step" as they now declare with each new infringement.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/SCR42_.HTM
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Baker,Rhoads,Chang,Theilen,Kanuha.
The appeal of a fundamental right should be a good point for their opponents.
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I hope the resolutions are heard in committee. I want em to get grilled bad and see who votes for it.
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I hope the resolutions are heard in committee. I want em to get grilled bad and see who votes for it.
Hey zippz, four questions (Thanks!):
1. Who's gonna grill 'em? (I vote for Stephen Stamboulieh... :geekdanc:).
2. When will these get committee assignments?
3. What committees would those be?
4. Do the uppercase letters mean something like "primary introducer(s)" and the lower case "signed on as co-introducers after the fact"? Or what?
Introducer(s): S. CHANG, K. RHOADS, Baker, Kanuha, L. Thielen
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Hey zippz, four questions (Thanks!):
1. Who's gonna grill 'em? (I vote for Stephen Stamboulieh... :geekdanc:).
All of us.
2. When will these get committee assignments?
Soon
3. What committees would those be?
Last year it was Judiciary. Could also add Public Safety. https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Archives/measure_indiv_Archives.aspx?billtype=SR&billnumber=96&year=2018
4. Do the uppercase letters mean something like "primary introducer(s)" and the lower case "signed on as co-introducers after the fact"? Or what?
Introducer(s): S. CHANG, K. RHOADS, Baker, Kanuha, L. Thielen
I have to find out if a bill can have more than one primary introducer.
Just remembered that it can have multiple Primary Introducers (PI), the initial one will be the first one, then others will be underlined. The others are co-introducers. I'm not sure what the purpose is of having multiple PIs
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i'm guessing the multiple primary introducers is that SChang and KarlMarx were competing on who could suck up to Bloomberg the most
i'm going to send a nasty email to Chang in the next day or two
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The 3 senate bills passed third reading garning with reservations from a few, no votes from Gabbard and Fevella on a couple, and Reviere with a no vote on one. They'll now crossover to the House to repeat the process over.
I sent the following emails to Gabbard and Fevella this morning:
Thank you for your NO votes on SB600 and SB1466
Senator [Gabbard/Fevella],
Thank you for your NO votes on SB600 and SB1466 yesterday on the Senate floor votes.
It's tragic and disgusting when reason and evidence take a backseat to emotional talking points to enact useless laws that do nothing for public safety but instead only further erode our natural rights supposedly protected by the constitutions... and only two senators object.
Thank you for standing for reason, evidence, and the rule of law, including due process.
mahalo,
[Punaperson]
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The appeal of a fundamental right should be a good point for their opponents.
You seem to think the population of Hawaii beyond our little merry band actually cares about the 2nd Amendment rights. The only time they seem to want to scream about rights is when their posts about whatever on Facespace get flagged
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House bills referred to their Senate committees. HB1541 "gun violence prevention center" is referred to Higher Education (HRE) due to UH doing the research, and Ways and Means (WAM) the Senate equivalent of Finance. Address those focuses in your committee testimony.
Another bill to look into is HB295 HD2 which adds "emotional abuse" to domestic abuse protective orders. This could remove gun rights for humiliation, intimidation, controlling behavior, and regulating a person's behavior. Still analyzing it, but there is serious potential for abusing this law.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=295&year=2019
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response from my Mililani Senator...
Aloha, Constituents:
Thank you for your input in opposition of these bills. Please continue to track these bills and submit testimony as they crossover to the House so they’re properly collected. https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1466&year=2019.
SB 600 would not discriminate against visiting or relocating young adults as it would mirror the same, current minimum age requirement of 21 years of age for Hawaii residents for newcomers.
As for SB 621, I have asked Senator Rhoads, Chair of the Judiciary Committee, will ask the committee to amend the reporting period to 30 days. The other committee members thought it was too long, so I asked for 7 days, but they didn’t commit.
SB 1466 would require a court order and hearing within 14 days of receiving a petition, and allegations would have to be supported with specific facts made under oath before action to remove is taken.
Mahalo.
Office of Michelle N. Kidani
Senate Vice President & District 18
Hawaii State Capitol
415 S. Beretania Street, Room 228
Honolulu, HI 96813
Ofc: 808.586.7100
Fax: 808.586.7109
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SB 600,621, 1466 has been referred to their house committees PSM, JUD
Anti 2a Senate Resolutions SR29/SCR42 referred to PSM, JDC.
March 22 (Bills) and March 28 (Conc Reso) is the next Lateral Deadline with one or less committee hearings left after that date.
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SB 600 would not discriminate against visiting or relocating young adults as it would mirror the same, current minimum age requirement of 21 years of age for Hawaii residents for newcomers.
I would counter with...
Is the existing law requiring you to be 21 constitutional? Why?
The age to possess a rifle and shotgun is 16 in Hawaii
18 is the age of adulthood
You cannot put an arbitrary age limitation on a constitutional right.
Does Hawaii have a problem with adults under 21 committing crimes with rifles and shotguns? Bolt action and singleshot shotguns covered by this ban?
Can you restrict a constitutional right just because you feel something could happen?
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Hearings scheduled for hb1541, hb1325
Also HB295 is up regarding domestic abuse and protective orders, it's a single committee bill. It lowers the requirements to things like humiliation and controlling behavior and can remove gun rights from the accused.
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Also HB295 is up regarding domestic abuse and protective orders, it's a single committee bill. It lowers the requirements to things like humiliation and controlling behavior and can remove gun rights from the accused.
I'd urge everyone to read HB295, HD1 and submit your opposition testimony this morning.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/HB295_HD1_.HTM
From my testimony:
Here we have another case of “good intentions” having the “unintended consequences” of putting us on the infamous road to hell.
By expanding the definition of “domestic abuse” to include non-violent “emotional abuse” you will have opened up a Pandora's box of unlimited possibilities for legal action by anyone who, without any act of physical contact, let alone violent contact, renders the self-determined judgment that they have been “humiliated” or “intimidated” and thus “frightened”. Just so you know that I'm not making that up, nor exaggerating, that's the actual definition in the bill of "coercive behavior".
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Now a “glance” that someone interprets as “intimidation” is cause for arrest? (Person A:You shouldn't intimidate me with that kind of “look”! Person B: I wasn't trying to intimidate you. A: Yes you were! B: No I wasn't.)
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I'd suggest people look at the testimony of an attorney, Thomas D. Farrell, who handles such matters, including divorce and child custody litigation, as submitted to a previous committee hearing on the bill (starts on page 6).
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2019/Testimony/HB295_TESTIMONY_CPC-JUD_02-21-19_.PDF
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I'd urge everyone to read HB295, HD1 and submit your opposition testimony this morning.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/HB295_HD1_.HTM
From my testimony:
Here we have another case of “good intentions” having the “unintended consequences” of putting us on the infamous road to hell.
By expanding the definition of “domestic abuse” to include non-violent “emotional abuse” you will have opened up a Pandora's box of unlimited possibilities for legal action by anyone who, without any act of physical contact, let alone violent contact, renders the self-determined judgment that they have been “humiliated” or “intimidated” and thus “frightened”. Just so you know that I'm not making that up, nor exaggerating, that's the actual definition in the bill of "coercive behavior".
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Now a “glance” that someone interprets as “intimidation” is cause for arrest? (Person A:You shouldn't intimidate me with that kind of “look”! Person B: I wasn't trying to intimidate you. A: Yes you were! B: No I wasn't.)
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I'd suggest people look at the testimony of an attorney, Thomas D. Farrell, who handles such matters, including divorce and child custody litigation, as submitted to a previous committee hearing on the bill (starts on page 6).
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2019/Testimony/HB295_TESTIMONY_CPC-JUD_02-21-19_.PDF
WOW... his testimony is right on target
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I'd urge everyone to read HB295, HD1 and submit your opposition testimony this morning.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/HB295_HD1_.HTM
From my testimony:
Here we have another case of “good intentions” having the “unintended consequences” of putting us on the infamous road to hell.
By expanding the definition of “domestic abuse” to include non-violent “emotional abuse” you will have opened up a Pandora's box of unlimited possibilities for legal action by anyone who, without any act of physical contact, let alone violent contact, renders the self-determined judgment that they have been “humiliated” or “intimidated” and thus “frightened”. Just so you know that I'm not making that up, nor exaggerating, that's the actual definition in the bill of "coercive behavior".
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Now a “glance” that someone interprets as “intimidation” is cause for arrest? (Person A:You shouldn't intimidate me with that kind of “look”! Person B: I wasn't trying to intimidate you. A: Yes you were! B: No I wasn't.)
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I'd suggest people look at the testimony of an attorney, Thomas D. Farrell, who handles such matters, including divorce and child custody litigation, as submitted to a previous committee hearing on the bill (starts on page 6).
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/Session2019/Testimony/HB295_TESTIMONY_CPC-JUD_02-21-19_.PDF
testify here
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=295&year=2019
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Hearing Friday, March 15... testimonies due Thursday, March 14, 10 AM.
COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY, VETERANS, & MILITARY AFFAIRS
NOTICE OF HEARING
DATE: Friday, March 15, 2019
TIME: 10:00 AM
PLACE: Conference Room 430
A G E N D A
SB 600
(SSCR817)
RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Provides that no person less than 21 years of age shall bring any firearm into the State.
SB 621, SD1
(SSCR1020)
Status
RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Requires a person to report the person's lost, stolen, or destroyed firearms to the appropriate county police department. Establishes penalties for failure to report. (SD1)
SB 1466, SD2
(SSCR802)
RELATING TO GUN VIOLENCE PROTECTIVE ORDERS.
Establishes a process by which a law enforcement officer or family or household member may obtain a court order to prevent a person from accessing firearms and ammunition when the person poses a danger of causing bodily injury to oneself or another. Takes effect 2/1/2020. (SD2)
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Hearing Friday, March 15... testimonies due Thursday, March 14, 10 AM.
COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY, VETERANS, & MILITARY AFFAIRS
NOTICE OF HEARING
DATE: Friday, March 15, 2019
TIME: 10:00 AM
PLACE: Conference Room 430
A G E N D A
SB 600
(SSCR817)
RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Provides that no person less than 21 years of age shall bring any firearm into the State.
SB 621, SD1
(SSCR1020)
Status
RELATING TO FIREARMS.
Requires a person to report the person's lost, stolen, or destroyed firearms to the appropriate county police department. Establishes penalties for failure to report. (SD1)
SB 1466, SD2
(SSCR802)
RELATING TO GUN VIOLENCE PROTECTIVE ORDERS.
Establishes a process by which a law enforcement officer or family or household member may obtain a court order to prevent a person from accessing firearms and ammunition when the person poses a danger of causing bodily injury to oneself or another. Takes effect 2/1/2020. (SD2)
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=600&year=2019
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=621&year=2019
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=1466&year=2019
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HB720 and HB950 up for hearings in the Senate on March 19
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Had 4 Hifico members attend the PVM hearing on Friday. Also had about 6 mom's Mom's Demand Action, Maj Nielsen from HPD, and a person from a mental health org.
The 3 bills passed with reservations and no votes from Kong and McDermott.
Some good questions were asked to HPD from the committee members.
Sb600 under 21yrs -
1. what happens if a person under 21 tried to register? Firearm confiscated? The firearm is taken into custody until 21. (Seems like they avoided the confiscation word.)
2. why currently enforcing the under 21 yrs for registration when it wasn't in HRS 134-3, answer was they were applying the age limit from HRS 134-2 even if no permit was needed for the registration.
3 if a firearm is in your custody and the person under 21 moves to the mainland then what happens? Person arranges for an FFL to ship the firearm to the mainland.
SB621 lost/stolen
1. how would HPD determine criminal intent? They weren't sure, but said HPD wouldn't charge a crime victim and prosecutor wouldn't take the case.
SB1466 protective orders
HPD testified something about it shouldnt be their jurisdiction. Courts testified about processes and financial burden on the courts. Another person said guns are used 4x more in suicides than crimes.
One positive note is Takayama asked HPD if RAPBACK was connected to the FBI. HPD said it was not and kept getting pushed back, but could happen in April. Takayama amended HB1466 to not charge RAPBACK fees until it works. I had a conversation with him in January about Rapback and I told him we suspect it's not working. He was really interested in that. Also noted that HCJDC had a surplus of funds from the fees, not just from rapback.
I'm sure Rep Lee will strip the amendment out in the next committee hearing.
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Had 4 Hifico members attend the PVM hearing on Friday. Also had about 6 mom's Mom's Demand Action,
So that means that by the Karl Rhoads rule for discounting testimony the Moms Demand Action views were ignored because they had 50% more members present than HIFICO and were thus "better organized", which merits ignoring, according to him. :rofl:
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One positive note is Takayama asked HPD if RAPBACK was connected to the FBI. HPD said it was not and kept getting pushed back, but could happen in April. Takayama amended HB1466 to not charge RAPBACK fees until it works. I had a conversation with him in January about Rapback and I told him we suspect it's not working. He was really interested in that. Also noted that HCJDC had a surplus of funds from the fees, not just from rapback.
I'm sure Rep Lee will strip the amendment out in the next committee hearing.
sorry to be a monday-morning QB here from the comfort of my armchair.
I'm thinking that we, the 2A community, would be better off given that Willie Espero's Rapback itself will never be repealed, to have a Rapback that isn't working instead. If that's the case, would we be better off if HPD is not really motivated to get it to work? if HCJDC is threatened with a loss of funds, that would motivate somebody to get it to work so that they can keep the money? on the other hand, if they're not threated with the loss of "$42 per", things would stay at the status quo, and nobody's the wiser?
in essence, each first-time registrant pays a $42 bribe to to not make the Rapback connection to the FBI? hey, that's how it's done in a banana republic, "cross my palms with silver". I doubt they'd be willing to write a $42 check to everybody sofar that's paid in, that's not going to happen.
sorta like the idiot french engineer, when faced with a guillotine that's not working, looks at it and says, here, let me fix that for you, before it's his turn.
just a thought. and thanks guys for fighting the good fight. Thank You!
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sorry to be a monday-morning QB here from the comfort of my armchair.
I'm thinking that we, the 2A community, would be better off given that Willie Espero's Rapback itself will never be repealed, to have a Rapback that isn't working instead. If that's the case, would we be better off if HPD is not really motivated to get it to work? if HCJDC is threatened with a loss of funds, that would motivate somebody to get it to work so that they can keep the money? on the other hand, if they're not threated with the loss of "$42 per", things would stay at the status quo, and nobody's the wiser?
in essence, each first-time registrant pays a $42 bribe to to not make the Rapback connection to the FBI? hey, that's how it's done in a banana republic, "cross my palms with silver". I doubt they'd be willing to write a $42 check to everybody sofar that's paid in, that's not going to happen.
sorta like the idiot french engineer, when faced with a guillotine that's not working, looks at it and says, here, let me fix that for you, before it's his turn.
just a thought. and thanks guys for fighting the good fight. Thank You!
Bigger picture: If you paid the new "one time fee" of $42 with the justification of needing to be entered into RAPBACK, you should sue if that's not being done.
If the money isn't being used as directed by law, it's a fraud on gun owners. Has that money been misappropriated? Did the former police chief use the funds to help his crooked lawyer wife pay for drugs? Where is that money? What's it being spent on?
Enquiring minds.
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Bigger picture: If you paid the new "one time fee" of $42 with the justification of needing to be entered into RAPBACK, you should sue if that's not being done.
If the money isn't being used as directed by law, it's a fraud on gun owners. Has that money been misappropriated? Did the former police chief use the funds to help his crooked lawyer wife pay for drugs? Where is that money? What's it being spent on?
Enquiring minds.
Class action lawsuit?
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Is there a recording of this? Video or audio?
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sorry to be a monday-morning QB here from the comfort of my armchair.
I'm thinking that we, the 2A community, would be better off given that Willie Espero's Rapback itself will never be repealed, to have a Rapback that isn't working instead. If that's the case, would we be better off if HPD is not really motivated to get it to work? if HCJDC is threatened with a loss of funds, that would motivate somebody to get it to work so that they can keep the money? on the other hand, if they're not threated with the loss of "$42 per", things would stay at the status quo, and nobody's the wiser?
in essence, each first-time registrant pays a $42 bribe to to not make the Rapback connection to the FBI? hey, that's how it's done in a banana republic, "cross my palms with silver". I doubt they'd be willing to write a $42 check to everybody sofar that's paid in, that's not going to happen.
sorta like the idiot french engineer, when faced with a guillotine that's not working, looks at it and says, here, let me fix that for you, before it's his turn.
just a thought. and thanks guys for fighting the good fight. Thank You!
It's the principal behind RAPBACK. I know a good amount of guys who are not buying because they don't want to be in the system at all. No one likes to be in any kind of data base, especially one where you cannot remove yourself.
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and then, let's say they do "get it working", so, is it "from here on in" all new first-timers get signed up. and no, we don't have the resources to go back and manually retroactively do all the previous folks (even tho they paid their $42).
if that's the case, then now is the time to buy buy buy, before they get it working. because once it's working, then you're in like Flint. not that you want to be. this is almost a comedy.
what, don't look at me.
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Sorry my bad, SB621 is not scheduled for a hearing. SB600 and SB1466 is scheduled for Monday at 2pm. And HB720 on March 28th.
Second lateral deadline passed on Friday killing SB337 Remote testimony and SB1488 Capitol Security. Next bill deadline is April 5th Second Decking where all bills must have gone through all their committees.
First lateral deadline for Senate concurrent resolutions is March 27th which would kill SCR 42 Repeal 2nd Amendment if not heard in committee by then.
The 2nd reading floor vote occurred in the House for SB 621 and SB1466 last week. A bunch voted no or with reservations. Quinlan (Get the F**k Out) voted NO on both bills. I wonder if he is pro gun or moderate?
Also I wonder why SB621 isn't scheduled for a hearing with the other two firearm bills? It's the one with the RAPBACK amendment so they could be reviewing and researching RAPBACK to schedule it by April 5th (corrected) or they want to kill it and go with it's twin bill HB720
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Also I wonder why SB621 isn't scheduled for a hearing with the other two firearm bills? It's the one with the RAPBACK amendment so they could be reviewing and researching RAPBACK to schedule it by the 28th or they want to kill it and go with it's twin bill HB720
Yeah, it's too bad you can't just ask one of the legislators (committee chairpersons, etc.) who knows the reason and have them give you a simple honest answer. Obviously, that's not the way things work around here.
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Yeah, it's too bad you can't just ask one of the legislators (committee chairpersons, etc.) who knows the reason and have them give you a simple honest answer. Obviously, that's not the way things work around here.
Corrected my post, Sb621 next deadline is April 5th.
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No oral testimony will be taken at today's hearing. Written only. Continue to submit your testimony online if you haven't already.
Also no oral testimony for Thursday's hearing, just written.
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No oral testimony will be taken at today's hearing. Written only. Continue to submit your testimony online if you haven't already.
Also no oral testimony for Thursday's hearing, just written.
funny, they call it a "hearing", but nobody to talk. not much to hear if nobody talks. yeah, I know, but a touch of irony there. I submitted written.
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funny, they call it a "hearing", but nobody to talk. not much to hear if nobody talks. yeah, I know, but a touch of irony there. I submitted written.
Sorry my bad got the dates mixed up. Today's hearing had oral. Thursday's hearing is written only.
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Current bills status
SB600 is going to a floor vote in the House on Thursday so contact your House district representatives to oppose. At the same time, tell them to oppose SB1466 which will be coming up for a floor vote next week.
HB720 and likely HB1541 will have a floor vote in the Senate next week.
SCR42 is dead as of last week due to not being heard in committee. SR29 is still alive but unlikely to be scheduled for committee too.
This Friday is the Decking Deadline where bills must have completed all their committees. This is likely to kill off SB621 w/rapback amendment, and HB1325 the last pro-hunting bill.
Planning to make a stand to defeat SB1466 Red Flag later this month, which would be an achievement as it was introduced nationwide and in Congress.
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I've been out of the loop for a couple weeks ever since my error. Been burned out working 65 hour week and putting in another 20 hours for Hifico for the past 6 months. Been nice to experience life again for a couple weeks.
Back to work.
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HB720 "Lost/Stolen/Destroyed Gun Reporting" got signed into law. Everyone looks so happy (maybe not the guy on the far left. Probably thinking "I better report my lost gun"). Governor says "...will.protect firearm owners if their lost or stolen firearm was used in a crime.” I can't imagine the constitutionality of losing your gun rights forever from a law like this.
(https://i.imgur.com/KnInaQu.jpg)
SB600 and SB1466 have passed conference committee and is on the Governor's desk. Email, phone, or meet with him or his staff here: https://governor.hawaii.gov/contact-us/.
Should this bill pass, I wonder if we can get a photo op with the Governor too?
HB1541 had a late night hearing today beating the deadline. Status isn't updated, but if it passed conference committee then it will go for a House/Senate floor vote on Tuesday or Thursday.
Today was the deadline for conference committee, so any bill not passed committee is dead. Then May 2nd is the last day of the legislature and for floor votes.
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(https://i.imgur.com/KnInaQu.jpg)
Lying tyrant scum traitors. String 'em all up. I vote for a "red flag" law to be enacted so we can "take care" of these people via ex parte hearings based upon someone's sole report of traitorism. What say ye all?
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The 2019 Legislative session ended on May 2nd and out of the 55 firearm/hunting/other bills I was tracking, 1 was signed into law (HB720) and 2 others are still on the Governor's desk (SB600 and SB1466).
I'm working on compiling the stats and analysis in preparation for 2020. In the meantime you can look over your representative's voting record for the committee hearings (J=Judiciary P=Public Safety) and the floor votes.
Under the "Voting Stats" tab
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-rRk6BhJpXk_BwlLctRk2LgZS4RInliAybFr1HYQUC0/edit?#gid=2077723450
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The 2019 Legislative session ended on May 2nd and out of the 55 firearm/hunting/other bills I was tracking, 1 was signed into law (HB720) and 2 others are still on the Governor's desk (SB600 and SB1466).
I'm working on compiling the stats and analysis in preparation for 2020. In the meantime you can look over your representative's voting record for the committee hearings (J=Judiciary P=Public Safety) and the floor votes.
Under the "Voting Stats" tab
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-rRk6BhJpXk_BwlLctRk2LgZS4RInliAybFr1HYQUC0/edit?#gid=2077723450
Hey zippz, thanks for tabulating all that bad news into one convenient form... that way it will be easier to assign "ratings/grades" to all the legislators: F-, F, or F+... I'm still dreaming of the day we get a "D" legislator... yeah, I said it was a dream.
A question for you, which you may not want to answer in public... do you think the large number of bills this year, some of them exorbitantly infringing, was a planned strategy or just a coincidence?
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A question for you, which you may not want to answer in public... do you think the large number of bills this year, some of them exorbitantly infringing, was a planned strategy or just a coincidence?
It was a nationwide attack on the 2A. Nothing is coincidence. Expect another high casualty active shooting prior to the next session. The DNC knows emotion wins laws. Bump stock after Vegas, red flag after MSD. Maybe nationwide mag limits next? "Assault weapons" takes more stepping stones to ban.
WA passed 7 laws the gov just signed last week. Nothing major, but stepping stones to more laws. Nevada gov signed FFL law that was just sitting for 2 years. Not to mention all the red flag laws that were signed across the nation.
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It was a nationwide attack on the 2A. Nothing is coincidence. Expect another high casualty active shooting prior to the next session. The DNC knows emotion wins laws. Bump stock after Vegas, red flag after MSD. Maybe nationwide mag limits next? "Assault weapons" takes more stepping stones to ban.
WA passed 7 laws the gov just signed last week. Nothing major, but stepping stones to more laws. Nevada gov signed FFL law that was just sitting for 2 years. Not to mention all the red flag laws that were signed across the nation.
Well, we have nothing to worry about, I mean except that we're bitter clingers... at least according to The Rhode Island Coalition Against Gun Violence (RICAGV), who in opposing a local resolution to declare a city a "Second Amendment sanctuary" wrote that "Law-abiding gun owners though should have no reason to feel threatened by the gun safety measures that community organizers advocate for, and in fact, all regulations--from banning guns in schools to banning military style assault weapons are constitutional." That's so good to know... for a second there I thought maybe someone might try and infringe my rights... you know, like the ones to keep and bear arms. I'm so relieved.
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/59925970_10157248378151119_8004165417205497856_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=995d6216a7374bdd80ccfb9e1787ea17&oe=5D585880)
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A question for you, which you may not want to answer in public... do you think the large number of bills this year, some of them exorbitantly infringing, was a planned strategy or just a coincidence?
Not sure, but I believe Everytown and their subgroups were involved. It's a nationwide thing. They are growing more powerful every year, getting more skilled supporters, and most if all, getting better funding.
Also that firearm research report enabled lawmakers to add a few home grown bills which is why we opposed the gun violence research center which would out out more worthless bills for us to fight. Also the carry and taser court cases added more too.
The GMAC hunting committee and other hunting groups are getting more involved and put in a bunch of bills
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Well, we have nothing to worry about, I mean except that we're bitter clingers... at least according to The Rhode Island Coalition Against Gun Violence (RICAGV), who in opposing a local resolution to declare a city a "Second Amendment sanctuary" wrote that "Law-abiding gun owners though should have no reason to feel threatened by the gun safety measures that community organizers advocate for, and in fact, all regulations--from banning guns in schools to banning military style assault weapons are constitutional." That's so good to know... for a second there I thought maybe someone might try and infringe my rights... you know, like the ones to keep and bear arms. I'm so relieved.
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Gov will announce the bills he intends to veto at 2pm today Still have sb600 and sb1466. Bills not announced will become law without his signature.
It will be streamed on Facebook live at facebook.com/governordavidige
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Gov will announce the bills he intends to veto at 2pm today Still have sb600 and sb1466. Bills not announced will become law without his signature.
It will be streamed on Facebook live at facebook.com/governordavidige
How come the law doesn't say anything the gov doesn't signed is automatically withdrawn? That makes more sense to me.
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How come the law doesn't say anything the gov doesn't signed is automatically withdrawn? That makes more sense to me.
Should be in the Constitution. I don't know the history or reasoning behind it. It's the same for the President.
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The Gov didn't go over the gun bills during the livefeed. We'll find out shortly when the full list is released.
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Veto list was released, the 2 gun bills are not on it so it will pass signed or unsigned. https://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/latest-news/office-of-the-governor-news-release-airbnb-among-20-bills-on-governor-iges-intent-to-veto-list/
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Veto list was released, the 2 gun bills are not on it so it will pass signed or unsigned. https://governor.hawaii.gov/newsroom/latest-news/office-of-the-governor-news-release-airbnb-among-20-bills-on-governor-iges-intent-to-veto-list/
So he ignored my 21 emails sent in the last two months? :wtf: I'm so surprised! :rofl:
Thanks zippz for tracking down this info. :shaka:
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The last firearms related bill was signed last friday, SB600 "under 21" became Act 257. It joins SB1466 "Red Flag" Act 150 and HB720 "Lost, Stolen, Destroyed" Act 23.
This concludes the 2019 Legislative session. HIFICO will be planning for 2020.