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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: zippz on January 28, 2019, 12:26:33 PM
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This is a page for general activism. Ideas, events, experiences, and requests for help.
Summaries and current events will be listed on this original post
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This weekend we'll be looking for volunteers to pass out flyers, have people sign testimony, and some other stuff. Also to visit gun stores to encourage them to help.
HIFICO is planning a capitol event tentatively of February 21st with some display tables from a few clubs. Also want a small group of people 15 to 30 for a small rally and visit reps offices as a group.
As a grassroots activim organization, HIFICO encourages the community to plan their own projects. Hifico will help with guidance and some resources.
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This weekend we'll be looking for volunteers to pass out flyers, have people sign testimony, and some other stuff. Also to visit gun stores to encourage them to help.
HIFICO is planning a capitol event tentatively of February 21st with some display tables from a few clubs. Also want a small group of people 15 to 30 for a small rally and visit reps offices as a group.
As a grassroots activim organization, HIFICO encourages the community to plan their own projects. Hifico will help with guidance and some resources.
I sent you a PM.
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Thank you for everything you guys are doing.
Idea/Question?
Has anyone considered contacting the folks who are in active federal lawsuits about the judicial side of these bills? Maybe see if we can be directed to a knowledgeable lawyer? I doubt our political chances in this lock step liberal state, we may need to raise money for a federal suit to obtain a federal injunction on 2a grounds. If every person on the forum committed 1 gun's worth of money to hire a civil rights attorney, we might have a viable plan B if these bills become law (so we dont all end up felons)
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Thank you for everything you guys are doing.
Idea/Question?
Has anyone considered contacting the folks who are in active federal lawsuits about the judicial side of these bills? Maybe see if we can be directed to a knowledgeable lawyer? I doubt our political chances in this lock step liberal state, we may need to raise money for a federal suit to obtain a federal injunction on 2a grounds. If every person on the forum committed 1 gun's worth of money to hire a civil rights attorney, we might have a viable plan B if these bills become law (so we dont all end up felons)
I could be wrong,but until said bill becomes law, there isn't much a lawyer can do but intimidate.
We need more testimony now compared to the bump stock. The bump bill had about 500 oppose and 40 for, yet it passed. So unless we come up with way more numbers, IDK if it will stop. I've already talked to a few who don't own rifles and their mentality was "not my problem". Well handguns might be next. Then they said "oh, yeah. yeah"
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I could be wrong,but until said bill becomes law, there isn't much a lawyer can do but intimidate.
We need more testimony now compared to the bump stock. The bump bill had about 500 oppose and 40 for, yet it passed. So unless we come up with way more numbers, IDK if it will stop. I've already talked to a few who don't own rifles and their mentality was "not my problem". Well handguns might be next. Then they said "oh, yeah. yeah"
selfish pricks.
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I could be wrong,but until said bill becomes law, there isn't much a lawyer can do but intimidate.
We need more testimony now compared to the bump stock. The bump bill had about 500 oppose and 40 for, yet it passed. So unless we come up with way more numbers, IDK if it will stop. I've already talked to a few who don't own rifles and their mentality was "not my problem". Well handguns might be next. Then they said "oh, yeah. yeah"
selfish pricks.
don't forget, that last year, it was us that threw the bump stock guys under the bus. that means last year, we were the "selfish pricks", huh? hows that for karma.
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bumpstock guys, pistol owners...we are all under the umbrella of the Second Amendment. All of us should be united. Let's not get into firearmssexism. i.e. you a "bumpstock guy" "handgun person" we are all non-binary-firearms owners.
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Idea/Question?
Has anyone considered contacting the folks who are in active federal lawsuits about the judicial side of these bills?
This is possible, however it's a last resort thing. It'll cost a lot of money to hire a lawyer which can be from $10,000 to $500,000 depending on how high it needs to go. There are a few lawyers that will do it pro bono (free) but they'll pick the cases they think have a good chance of winning and they can only take one or two cases on at a time since it costs them a lot of money to do (travel, court fees, research, etc). Also court cases can drag out for a long time. Young (in Young v. HI open carry) filed his lawsuit in 2013 and it'll probably be a few more years to settle.
It's a lot of hard work, but we need to do our best to beat these bills in the legislature.
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Need help at Koko Head range this weekend, starting from 9am sat/sun morning and afternoon shifts to collect testimonies on the electronic tablets, handing out flyers, and talking to people about what's going on. Details to follow.
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This is possible, however it's a last resort thing. It'll cost a lot of money to hire a lawyer which can be from $10,000 to $500,000 depending on how high it needs to go. There are a few lawyers that will do it pro bono (free) but they'll pick the cases they think have a good chance of winning and they can only take one or two cases on at a time since it costs them a lot of money to do (travel, court fees, research, etc). Also court cases can drag out for a long time. Young (in Young v. HI open carry) filed his lawsuit in 2013 and it'll probably be a few more years to settle.
It's a lot of hard work, but we need to do our best to beat these bills in the legislature.
^^^This. Also unless every gun owner contributes the cost of a new gun (which most won't do).
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Here's the details for this weekends project...
3 shifts at Koko Head Range
Saturday Feb 2nd 9am and 12pm
Sunday Feb 3 9am
Meet at the picnic tables in the grassy field at Koko Head Range.
Bring ear pro and eye pro. Bring an electronic tablet and laptop computer if you have one so people can submit testimony. If you don't have one, I have several tablets and a computer that I'll be sharing.
We are looking for about 4 volunteers on each shift will be going around the range to educate people about the various gun bills, issue "citations" to rifle owners, and have them submit testimony for the assault weapon ban bills. Please review the gun bills at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-rRk6BhJpXk_BwlLctRk2LgZS4RInliAybFr1HYQUC0/edit?usp=sharing and view our video at https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=296883631028771&id=416733928814508.
Please msg me if you are interested with your phone number.
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Thanks to Punaperson for creating the citation.
(https://i.imgur.com/V0AJS5o.jpg)
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sorry, but 1 typo. for centerfire rifle with overall length less than 30 inches.
instead of "less that 30 inches".
sorry, and I'm sure you already printed up 30 bazillion of these because there's a lot of closet criminally-inclined law-abiding gun owners, according to Rhoads and Thielen.
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sorry, but 1 typo. for centerfire rifle with overall length less than 30 inches.
instead of "less that 30 inches".
sorry, and I'm sure you already printed up 30 bazillion of these because there's a lot of closet criminally-inclined law-abiding gun owners, according to Rhoads and Thielen.
Dammit I just printed 80 tickets. Eh no one will notice
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zippz, thanks for the props on the mock citation, but your adding the HIFICO emblem was a major improvement! (I had included the HPD patch, which likely would have led to citation-issuing volunteers all being arrested for "impersonating a police officer". :rofl:) I take full responsibility for the typo "that" rather than "than"... goes to show even a proofreader can't proofread their own stuff...
I hope you are able to get some video of people being "cited", as I'm sure there will be a few "WTF?!" moments that will be camera worthy...
I also hope you'll be making the HIFICO website testimony submission available to all those folks at the range too.
Great job! :shaka:
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Come on out to the range to help out today and tomorrow. Looks like the sun is coming out.
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Still raining at the range, but we'll be out there
Still quite a few people at the range. Periodic light rain
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Did they know about the bills so far?
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any other gun stores involved? Glad to see Yojng Guns at the meeting last week. I overheard Dale speak about the 1a and 2a. It was refreshing. :thumbsup:
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any other gun stores involved? Glad to see Yojng Guns at the meeting last week. I overheard Dale speak about the 1a and 2a. It was refreshing. :thumbsup:
prime sports and KM concepts are putting out the word via social media
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Can london or zipps confirm all bills have a grandfather clause?
If yes. And the bills move, then im gonna buy more shit
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Can london or zipps confirm all bills have a grandfather clause?
If yes. And the bills move, then im gonna buy more shit
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No grandfathering. Also you have to report it's destruction to the police within 24 hours or you'll get arrested under HB720.
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Can london or zipps confirm all bills have a grandfather clause?
If yes. And the bills move, then im gonna buy more shit
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we have to be dead set against them, grandfathering or not...
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Can london or zipps confirm all bills have a grandfather clause?
If yes. And the bills move, then im gonna buy more shit
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NO GRANDFATHER CLAUSE ON ANY OF THEM. THEY GET SIGNED AND YOU ARE A FELON
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NO GRANDFATHER CLAUSE ON ANY OF THEM. THEY GET SIGNED AND YOU ARE A FELON
I wonder if we'll see declarations of non-enforcement from county heads of law enforcement here, because, you know, sworn oaths to uphold the constitutions and all that, like we are seeing in Washington state re the I-1639 bans recently enacted? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(https://i.imgur.com/rChwDMK.jpg)
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I wonder if we'll see declarations of non-enforcement from county heads of law enforcement here, because, you know, sworn oaths to uphold the constitutions and all that, like we are seeing in Washington state re the I-1639 bans recently enacted? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
(https://i.imgur.com/rChwDMK.jpg)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
That would never happen here - the Chief is leashed by the Dems
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Ran into Jon and another gentleman (Sorry didn't get his name) today. They provided some info that I didn't yet know about. Gave me some flyers to pass out to my friends. Mahalo to all those putting in work to push us up the ladder and not pulling us down.
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didn't know that HIFICO is now set up to accept donations. keep on fighting the good fight.
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Ran into Jon and another gentleman (Sorry didn't get his name) today. They provided some info that I didn't yet know about. Gave me some flyers to pass out to my friends. Mahalo to all those putting in work to push us up the ladder and not pulling us down.
was it kevin?
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didn't know that HIFICO is now set up to accept donations. keep on fighting the good fight.
Plenty people kept asking for it so we sorted it out this morning.
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Hi, been a gun owner for a while now and have joined NRA/GPC/GOA. No longer an NRA member due to their constant folding on issues. But I feel that I have not been doing anything really, especially for our home state. I’d like to get involved in some way but am not sure how to get going. If someone could help direct me, fill me in on reaching out on current legislation, etc. please holler.
-Nalu
Ps. Sorry if this is the wrong area of the forum to post this lol
Thanks and thanks for all the work you guys have been doing for our state and people.
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Hi, been a gun owner for a while now and have joined NRA/GPC/GOA. No longer an NRA member due to their constant folding on issues. But I feel that I have not been doing anything really, especially for our home state. I’d like to get involved in some way but am not sure how to get going. If someone could help direct me, fill me in on reaching out on current legislation, etc. please holler.
-Nalu
Ps. Sorry if this is the wrong area of the forum to post this lol
Thanks and thanks for all the work you guys have been doing for our state and people.
Thank you for wanting to be more active in preserving what rights we have left. You're defiantly in the right area to get info on bills and things like that. Also if you have social media, follow HIFICO on facebook.