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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: punaperson on February 22, 2019, 03:56:12 PM
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[Update of April 3 re PASSED is post #30 below...]
[Update of March 29 is #23 below...]
[UPDATE OF MARCH 11 IS REPLY #10 BELOW...]
Wow, they announced this one early... it's only 3:28 on Friday afternoon. Last week they waited until 4:54.
This creates the so-called "gun violence" prevention center, which is a euphemism for spending tax-payer dollars to produce fraudulent "research" demonstrating that our rights must be further infringed Hawaii needs just a few more commonsense gun safety regulations.
Hearing is Tuesday, so testimony is due MONDAY, FEB. 25, 2019.
Have a nice weekend.
COMMITTEE ON FINANCE
Tuesday, February 26, 2019, 1:30 P.M.
HB 1541, HD2
(HSCR759)
RELATING TO GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION.
Establishes the Hawaii Gun Violence Prevention Center within the University of Hawaii to research strategies to prevent gun violence. Creates a special fund to support the Center. Appropriates funds.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1541&year=2019
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on HPR today they were talking about how they cant remove homeless structures from the sidewalks and streets because it violates the 5th and 14th amendments. (I assume they meant cant take property without just compensation and can deprive property without due process)
Hey, Honolulu? CAN YOU COUNT TO 2???? What about the 2nd? You all were ready to confiscate a whole ton of property 2 weeks ago while at the same time making people felons for exercising a right.
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Testimony will have to be different since this is the Finance committee. They are focusing primarily on the money side so you have to put fiscal related issues.
The center can be funded by donations from individuals and organizations which can be a conflict of interest, like if Bezos or Mom's Demand Action donated money.
The center can also give out money to non governmental organizations. Brady Campaign and others?
Also a waste of taxpayer money with Hawaiis low gun crime rate. Money could be better spent on enforcement.
Lastly why doesn't this bill research and promote defensive uses of firearms? Sounds biased to me.
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Testimony will have to be different since this is the Finance committee. They are focusing primarily on the money side so you have to put fiscal related issues.
The center can be funded by donations from individuals and organizations which can be a conflict of interest, like if Bezos or Mom's Demand Action donated money.
The center can also give out money to non governmental organizations. Brady Campaign and others?
Also a waste of taxpayer money with Hawaiis low gun crime rate. Money could be better spent on enforcement.
Lastly why doesn't this bill research and promote defensive uses of firearms? Sounds biased to me.
this is in the FINANCE COMMITTEE, so please add on a sentence or two about the money aspect. for example, the legislature funded a study last year, and it showed that we do not have a gun violence problem in Hawaii, so this bill is pointless...
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After I had submitted my testimony yesterday (and thus cannot amend it) I came across this article by a physician in Forbes arguing about what should be included in "gun violence" "studies" that usually isn't, especially when conducted by people who are really doing "advocacy research" where they start with the conclusion they want to reach ("gunz bad") and then structure the research in a way so as to find such a conclusion (amazing how that works...). I'm hoping someone with use this study as part of their testimony, maybe even include the whole article as addendum, to demonstrate the uselessness of creating another state run fake research facility (California already has one and New Jersey currently has a bill trying to create one there). If it's a state-run perpetrator of fraud, I think it's safe to say that would be an unwise financial investment. The only glitch in that argument is that the legislators voting on the funding (and bill as a whole) are in favor of further destroying our rights and don't view fraud as a problem in doing so. I'm just sayin'...
[I've got this article and another by the same author, "That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses", edited into a document that could be easily incorporated into written testimony... if anyone wants them please message me with an email address and I will attach them. :shaka:]
Any Study Of 'Gun Violence' Should Include How Guns Save Lives
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/04/30/that-time-the-cdc-asked-about-defensive-gun-uses/#b6e0503299aa
But regardless of whether “gun violence” research is being conducted by the federal government, states, universities, or private organizations, there are three key principles all public health researchers and firearms policy analysts should remember.
1. Firearms save lives as well take lives.
2. The value of firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens should be measured in terms of lives saved or crimes prevented, not criminals killed.
3. The right to self-defense does not depend on statistics and numbers.
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After I had submitted my testimony yesterday (and thus cannot amend it) I came across this article by a physician in Forbes arguing about what should be included in "gun violence" "studies" that usually isn't, especially when conducted by people who are really doing "advocacy research" where they start with the conclusion they want to reach ("gunz bad") and then structure the research in a way so as to find such a conclusion (amazing how that works...). I'm hoping someone with use this study as part of their testimony, maybe even include the whole article as addendum, to demonstrate the uselessness of creating another state run fake research facility (California already has one and New Jersey currently has a bill trying to create one there). If it's a state-run perpetrator of fraud, I think it's safe to say that would be an unwise financial investment. The only glitch in that argument is that the legislators voting on the funding (and bill as a whole) are in favor of further destroying our rights and don't view fraud as a problem in doing so. I'm just sayin'...
[I've got this article and another by the same author, "That Time The CDC Asked About Defensive Gun Uses", edited into a document that could be easily incorporated into written testimony... if anyone wants them please message me with an email address and I will attach them. :shaka:]
Any Study Of 'Gun Violence' Should Include How Guns Save Lives
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/04/30/that-time-the-cdc-asked-about-defensive-gun-uses/#b6e0503299aa
But regardless of whether “gun violence” research is being conducted by the federal government, states, universities, or private organizations, there are three key principles all public health researchers and firearms policy analysts should remember.
1. Firearms save lives as well take lives.
2. The value of firearms in the hands of law-abiding citizens should be measured in terms of lives saved or crimes prevented, not criminals killed.
3. The right to self-defense does not depend on statistics and numbers.
that would require that the people at the leg actually read the testimony...
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I'll add the articles into the Hifico testimony.
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Done, told them it was ridiculous to spend money on non-existant problems out of a political urge.
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that would require that the people at the leg actually read the testimony...
Yeah, if only we could require the people at the leg to actually read the testimony... and then be tested on it, and not be allowed to vote on a bill unless they passed the test. That would require some kind of strict rule that legislators had to be informed and responsible in order to vote. We all know that ain't ever gonna happen.
I'll add the articles into the Hifico testimony.
:shaka:
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A N D... the results (gee, who coulda guessed... another nearly unanimous decision against us with the one "Republican" feebly voting "Aye... with reservations"... that's some defense of our rights Mr. McDermott!).
I noticed that even University of Hawaii at Manoa lied about the Dickey Amendment in their testimony. Go figure.
And I guess they didn't like my suggested amendment... I mean, had they read it...
02/26/2019 H The committees on FIN recommend that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes were as follows: 14 Ayes: Representative(s) Luke, Cullen, Eli, Gates, Hashimoto, Holt, Kitagawa, B. Kobayashi, Matayoshi, Nakamura, Todd, Wildberger, Yamashita; Ayes with reservations: Representative(s) McDermott; Noes: none; and 1 Excused: Representative(s) Nishimoto.
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Hearing Thurs. 3/14, Testimony due Wed. 3/13.
They earlier refused to adopt any amendment that would either guarantee that they include all the "positive"/public safety enhancing uses of guns in the studies, or that would guarantee that the research grants were alotted equally among researchers who have a previous history of publishing pro and anti gun studies.
(Also note the the socialists(aka "Democrats" and "RINOs") in congress have introduced a bill asking for $50 MILLION for the CDC to study "gun violence".)
To submit testimony directly: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1541&year=2019
COMMITTEE ON HIGHER EDUCATION
Senator Donna Mercado Kim, Chair
Senator Michelle N. Kidani, Vice Chair
NOTICE OF HEARING
DATE: Thursday, March 14, 2019
TIME: 2:45 PM
PLACE: Conference Room 229
State Capitol
415 South Beretania Street
A G E N D A
HB 1541, HD2
(HSCR1127)
RELATING TO GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION.
Establishes the Hawaii Gun Violence Prevention Center within the University of Hawaii to research strategies to prevent gun violence. Creates a special fund to support the Center. Appropriates funds. (HB1541 HD2)
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It's in the higher education committee due to UH conducting the research. add something related to education in your testimonies.
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Wow, they announced this one early... it's only 3:28 on Friday afternoon. Last week they waited until 4:54.
Opposition submitted.
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And around and round we go... opposition submitted!
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sample testimony- the legislature, JUST LAST YEAR, funded a study on gun violence
the result of the study was HAWAII DOES NOT HAVE A GUN VIOLENCE PROBLEM!
yet the legislature wants to WASTE more money and time in an effort to come up with false "proof" that more "common sense gun legislation" is needed
please spend time and money on THE REAL PROBLEMS IN HAWAII, like the cost of living, homelessness, mental health issues, traffic, illegal drugs... i could go on listing things forever.
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Pau
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I OPPOSE HB1541
Just last year in December of 2018, the legislature published a 140 page report (attached) on Hawaii firearm laws and related statistics. In the report, the commission only had 1 recommendation to make. In the end, it essentially stated that Hawaii DOES NOT HAVE A FIREARM PROBLEM. As such, after many months and countless taxpayer dollars spent, the “need” to spend more of our tax dollars on a wasteful study to glean information already freely available is a waste and is repugnant to the citizens of Hawaii.
Based on a CDC report, Hawaii is ranked 50th for firearm related deaths (2.5:100,000) with the majority of 66% being suicide. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
We already have one of the highest cost of livings in the country and poorest infrastructures. A recent study using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics to find out what the average "living wage" is in each state showed we need to make $136, 437 (the highest) to meet the guideline. The next in line was California at $99,971, a $36,000 difference. Again, the “need” to spend more money to have another study done for information we already have is a waste.
Hawaii still one of the worst states to pay taxes, study says
https://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/news/2018/10/11/hawaii-still-one-of-the-worst-states-to-pay-taxes.html
MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE IN U.S.? HAWAII, WHERE TOILET PAPER COSTS MORE THAN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD
https://www.newsweek.com/most-expensive-place-live-us-hawaiitoilet-paper-costs-more-628977
This Is the Living Wage You Need in All 50 States
https://www.gobankingrates.com/making-money/jobs/living-wage-every-state/?utm_campaign=788761&utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_content=1
“Hawaii is the most expensive state in the country, mostly due to housing costs that run more than triple the national average at about $36,000 a year. As such, despite a median income of nearly $75,000 a year, the typical Hawaiian is still over $61,000 short of a living wage — the largest such gap in this study.”
Please do not waste anymore of our hard earned tax dollars on this or any other wasteful program.
Mahalo
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Pau
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I OPPOSE HB1541
Just last year in December of 2018, the legislature published a 140 page report (attached) on Hawaii firearm laws and related statistics. In the report, the commission only had 1 recommendation to make. In the end, it essentially stated that Hawaii DOES NOT HAVE A FIREARM PROBLEM. As such, after many months and countless taxpayer dollars spent, the “need” to spend more of our tax dollars on a wasteful study to glean information already freely available is a waste and is repugnant to the citizens of Hawaii.
Based on a CDC report, Hawaii is ranked 50th for firearm related deaths (2.5:100,000) with the majority of 66% being suicide. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
We already have one of the highest cost of livings in the country and poorest infrastructures. A recent study using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics to find out what the average "living wage" is in each state showed we need to make $136, 437 (the highest) to meet the guideline. The next in line was California at $99,971, a $36,000 difference. Again, the “need” to spend more money to have another study done for information we already have is a waste.
Hawaii still one of the worst states to pay taxes, study says
https://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/news/2018/10/11/hawaii-still-one-of-the-worst-states-to-pay-taxes.html
MOST EXPENSIVE PLACE TO LIVE IN U.S.? HAWAII, WHERE TOILET PAPER COSTS MORE THAN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD
https://www.newsweek.com/most-expensive-place-live-us-hawaiitoilet-paper-costs-more-628977
This Is the Living Wage You Need in All 50 States
https://www.gobankingrates.com/making-money/jobs/living-wage-every-state/?utm_campaign=788761&utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_content=1
“Hawaii is the most expensive state in the country, mostly due to housing costs that run more than triple the national average at about $36,000 a year. As such, despite a median income of nearly $75,000 a year, the typical Hawaiian is still over $61,000 short of a living wage — the largest such gap in this study.”
Please do not waste anymore of our hard earned tax dollars on this or any other wasteful program.
Mahalo
wow, yours is WAY better than mines...
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wow, yours is WAY better than mines...
Doesn't mean they listen. They only hear what their wallet tells them and how much political clout they can gain. If enough "normal" people say its a waste then maybe they kill it. Otherwise it's gonna happen :grrr:
All I can do is add stats to hope that maybe 1 or 2 committee members read it and have a pause for discussion rather than shove shit down our throats
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Damn your guys testimony sounds better than mine. Mine is written like I talk (conversational).
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Damn your guys testimony sounds better than mine. Mine is written like I talk (conversational).
Doesn't matter how its said as long as it GETS SAID.
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The submitted testimony was:
In Favor: 1 (one) UH Manoa (and they lied about the parameters of the Dickey amendment in their testimony...)
Opposed: 70+
Comment only: 1 (state Department of Budget and Finance pointed out some problems with the funding, etc.)
RESULTS:
3/14/2019 S The committee(s) on HRE deferred the measure until 03-19-19 3:05PM in conference room 229.
Did anyone attend the meeting/ Could you give us a brief summary of any discussion? :shaka:
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The submitted testimony was:
In Favor: 1 (one) UH Manoa (and they lied about the parameters of the Dickey amendment in their testimony...)
Opposed: 70+
Comment only: 1 (state Department of Budget and Finance pointed out some problems with the funding, etc.)
RESULTS:
3/14/2019 S The committee(s) on HRE deferred the measure until 03-19-19 3:05PM in conference room 229.
Did anyone attend the meeting/ Could you give us a brief summary of any discussion? :shaka:
So it's gonna pass? :grrr:
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somebody from Moms Demand Action forgot to send out the email?
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Decision making meeting only, no oral testimony will be accepted.
Persons wishing to submit written testimony may do so up to 24 hours prior to the hearing.[Due byTuesday April 2, 2019]
COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY
Kenekoa/Senator Karl Rhoads, Luna Ho‘omalu/Chair
Kenekoa/Senator Glenn Wakai, Hope Luna Ho‘omalu/Vice Chair
COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS
Senator Donovan M. Dela Cruz, Chair
Senator Gilbert S.C. Keith-Agaran, Vice Chair
NOTICE OF DECISION MAKING
Lā / DATE:
Pōʻakolu, ʻApelila 3, 2019 / Wednesday, April 3, 2019
Hola / TIME:
10:00 am
Wahi / PLACE:
Lumi ‘Aha Kūkā 211 / Conference Room 211
HB 1541, HD2, SD1
(SSCR1451)
RELATING TO GUN VIOLENCE PREVENTION.
Establishes the Hawaii Gun Violence Prevention Center within the University of Hawaii to research strategies to prevent gun violence. Creates a special fund to support the Center. Appropriates funds. Effective 7/1/2050. (SD1)
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Testimony given. https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=1541&year=2019
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Please note that in their prior testimony the UH Manoa people who would be in charge of creating this "research center" lied about the Dickey amendment (or they are abysmally ignorant). Does anyone believe these same people will create any "research" that is unbiased and has any chance at all of factoring in the benefits of firearm use? Or is all "gun violence" just plain bad (ask the woman who defends herself against rape by shooting her rapist)?
Denise Eby Konan, PhD, Dean, College of Social Sciences, Aviam Soifer, Dean, William S. Richardson School of Law, and Michael Bruno, PhD, Interim Vice Chancellor for Academic Affairs and Vice Chancellor for Research, University of Hawai‘i at Mānoa:
"UHM acknowledges that federal funding for research on gun violence has ended since passage of the Dickey Amendment in 1996..."
(https://i.imgur.com/62AfFFd.gif)
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one of these days, UH is going to offer a mandatory Social Studies course called Gun Violence Prevention, made mandatory by our distinguished legislators, right up there with "Social Justice Activism", and "Immigrant/Refugee" something-or-other.
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My youngest brother attended the UH school of Engineering(non-social ;)). The admin were cutting funding while raising tuition and constantly calling for handouts. I guess they have their priorities straight...
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Doesn't matter how its said as long as it GETS SAID.
I oppose this measure, as gun violence is a non-issue in Hawaii, except for that of criminals. There is no need for the taxpayer to fund research on ways to deprive citizens of their rights.
Seems there is a common thread in this State, of representatives and senators ignoring the testimony and will of their constituents on many many issues. This need to stop immediately.
I would like to mention and remind you that you take an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States and the State of Hawaii. Your first responsibility is representation of the people. You are our employees, NOT our rulers.
You should monitor public input here and in social media, the publics voice is loud and clear.
I am a voter and I am not being represented.
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The testimony is up (9:15 AM) for the hearing today. Gifford Law Center To Prevent Gun Violence chimed in for the first time. Otherwise about 4 or 5 individuals for, all the rest of us against.
Here is a sentence from a supporting individual that summarizes the very problem with the "reseearch" that would be done by such a "gun violence" "research" center:
"Every gun-related death is a senseless death that is preventable."
That's what they believe. That's what they want "researched". What could the possible outcome of that research be other than "ban all guns except to government agents" (and maybe not even to most of them)?
So when the cops finally confronted the cop killer here on the Big Island and he started shooting at the cops and they shot back and killed him... that was a "senseless death"?
When a woman stops a rapist attacking her by using a firearm that results in the rapist's death... that's a "senseless death"?
When anyone anywhere at any time uses a firearm and stops a criminal whose behavior results in a reasonable belief that the criminal intends to inflict serious bodily harm and results in the criminal's death, that's a "senseless death"?
Fuck you, you idiot(s). These people are really so fucking stupid they either don't have a clue as to how many people every day short-circuit their own victimization by brandishing a firearm (and very occasionally actually firing it at the criminal), or they have a clue and don't care because they are liars with an agenda that can only be accomplished if they lie to the ignorant masses ("gun violence epidemic", "battlefield weapons of war", etc.). It makes me sick.
Especially because later today "our" legislators will be voting on this and I'm pretty sure I know which camp they are almost all in... >:(
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Only Senator Fevella voted NO, as a member of both committees. All others: unanimous consent. The ink probably isn't even dry yet on the check from Bloomberg...
4/3/2019 S The committee(s) on JDC recommend(s) that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes in JDC were as follows: 4 Aye(s): Senator(s) K. Rhoads, Wakai, Gabbard, Kim; Aye(s) with reservations: none ; 1 No(es): Senator(s) Fevella; and 0 Excused: none.
4/3/2019 S The committee(s) on WAM recommend(s) that the measure be PASSED, UNAMENDED. The votes in WAM were as follows: 9 Aye(s): Senator(s) Dela Cruz, Keith-Agaran, Inouye, Kanuha, Kidani, Moriwaki, Riviere, Shimabukuro, Taniguchi; Aye(s) with reservations: none ; 1 No(es): Senator(s) Fevella; and 3 Excused: Senator(s) English, Harimoto, K. Kahele.
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they just loving it, spending Other Peoples Money. it ain't their money, they don't care, it's as if it isn't even real money that they're blowing.
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Anyone know what happened at the conference committee yesterday Friday, April 26 at 5:30 pm?
I mean I know they passed it, probably unanimously, but what were the "amendments"? I saw Dr. Lott yesterday from the NRA convention talking about the hundreds of millions of dollars that Bloomberg, Rand, Joyce, Giffords, et al. are spending to produce fraudulent "research" in order to "prove" that more gun control results in greater "public safety". I'm sure the local statist tyrants want to corner a piece the cash via this UH Manoa fake research "center". It makes me sick... just wondering about the final details... god only knows when the state legislature will actually update their site.
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Sunday morning, more than 40 hours after the scheduled after-hours Friday conference committee meeting... still nothing on the state website... I guess they can work weekends to fuck us over, but not work to tell us exactly how they fucked us over. Figures. Assholes.
I just sent this email to all the committee members:
The state website still reads as follows on 4/28/19, 40 hours after the meeting:
4/25/2019 H Bill scheduled for Conference Committee Meeting on Friday, 04-26-19 5:30PM in conference room 016.
Can you please tell me what happened with HB1541 HD2 SD1 at the conference committee, and when will it be publicly posted?
thank you,
[punaperson]
House Conferees: Representatives Takayama/C. Lee/Yamashita, Co-Chairs; McDermott
(PVM, JUD, FIN)
Senate Conferees: Senators Kim, Chair; K. Rhoads/Moriwaki, Co-Chairs; Fevella
(HRE, JDC/WAM)
repmcdermott@Capitol.hawaii.gov, repclee@capitol.hawaii.gov, repyamashita@capitol.hawaii.gov, repmcdermott@Capitol.hawaii.gov, senkim@capitol.hawaii.gov,
senrhoads@capitol.hawaii.gov,
senmoriwaki@capitol.hawaii.gov,
senfevella@capitol.hawaii.gov
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If I understand "deferred" properly ("not moving on/ended/over")... I guess maybe miracles do happen!
I'd really like to hear the discussion as to how they came to this conclusion, especially considering that it passed all the committees in both houses almost unanimously. Anybody hear it?
Rep. Gregg Takayama <reptakayama@capitol.hawaii.gov>
Today at 8:59 AM
To [punaperson]
Message body:
It was deferred.
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likely the funding was a problem and there was previous concern about stable and ongoing funding. The State did not want to fund it so it would be funded through donations, grants, and asset forfeiture. My guess is HB748 passed and is likely to be signed by the governor which limits assett forfeiture from the current free for all to only property seized in felony convictions. This would cut funding. Grants and donations are sporadic and are not a stable source of income.
2 birds killed with one stone.
https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=748&year=2019
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gee whiz, I woulda thought that Bloomberg/Soros would gladly pick up the bill, I mean, they got billions and billions to spare, the state should've know they'd only be spending Other Peoples Money. taxpayers, Bloomberg, Soros, what's the difference, it ain't theirs. although technically, you'd hope the legislators are taxpayers also. maybe.
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gee whiz, I woulda thought that Bloomberg/Soros would gladly pick up the bill, I mean, they got billions and billions to spare, the state should've know they'd only be spending Other Peoples Money. taxpayers, Bloomberg, Soros, what's the difference, it ain't theirs. although technically, you'd hope the legislators are taxpayers also. maybe.
I still haven't gotten any explanation as to WHY the bill was deferred, but if zippz is correct that it was for funding reasons, it's not because there'd be a lack of Bloomberg/Soros/Joyce etc. donors, but because of some technical rules about exactly how the funding has to exist for a UH entity independent of donations. One or two of the submitted testimonies went into a bit of detail about that, but I don't care enough to go look it up. What I do know is that it is 5 days after the conference committee hearing and the state website re that legislation is not updated to show that it was deferred. I bet if it had passed the site would have been updated days ago.
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Here is the current posting re this bill on the official state website for legislation:
4/25/2019 H Bill scheduled for Conference Committee Meeting on Friday, 04-26-19 5:30PM in conference room 016.
In other words it's the exact same as it was 10 days ago prior to the meeting, which via private email exchange the chairman of the committee told me it was "deferred".
Anyone else not taking the time to do the email to all the members of the committee would not have any idea what was going on with the bill. Our tax dollars at work, making sure there is transparency and accurate up-to-date information available for all the citizens who are ruled by the elite clowns.
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Story on the assets forfeiture bill which may have killed this bill. Same story as 2a rights, prosecutors and police ignore due process rights.
https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/05/cops-prosecutors-want-gov-to-veto-seized-property-bill/
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It's exactly three weeks today from the date of the conference committee and there is no update about the results of that meeting on the state website... and no committee report posted. The only way I know it was deferred was due to having written every member of the conference committee and getting one response telling me it had been deferred. Our tax dollars at work. Another example of the (obvious) total disregard for the public in the whole "legislative" process by "our" "public servants". SMH. Again. :grrr:
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It's exactly three weeks today from the date of the conference committee and there is no update about the results of that meeting on the state website... and no committee report posted. The only way I know it was deferred was due to having written every member of the conference committee and getting one response telling me it had been deferred. Our tax dollars at work. Another example of the (obvious) total disregard for the public in the whole "legislative" process by "our" "public servants". SMH. Again. :grrr:
doesn't deferred mean dead? So that's a win for us?
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doesn't deferred mean dead? So that's a win for us?
Not quite technically "dead", but almost always so.
My understanding is that it was an "accidental win"... they ("our""public servants") all wanted it, but there was a technical problem with the funding, UH, blah blah blah. They did everything they could to try and screw us, including amending the bill numerous times to try and get it passed, but in the end they'll have to rest their laurels on some other bullshit they passed screwing us.
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there is plenty of funding. The GET tax, the TAKE tax, the STEAL tax, the BENDVR tax. They just need to fund the Billion a Mile train first
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doesn't deferred mean dead? So that's a win for us?
Dead for this year. Will likely come back next year.
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Dead for this year. Will likely come back next year.
I'm more concerned with the red flag bill. Any update?