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General Topics => Legal and Activism => Topic started by: zippz on March 29, 2019, 01:40:25 PM

Title: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: zippz on March 29, 2019, 01:40:25 PM
California's magazine ban has been overturned.  Summary judgement for the win!  Basically case was judged using the Heller ruling and found that the law affected the law abiding, wasn't narrowly focused, and no evidence presented why the ban should overrule a constitutional right.

It's in district court so only affects California, but will surely be appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Duncan-2019-03-29-Order-Granting-Plaintiffs-MSJ.pdf
Title: Re: Calornia magazine ban ruling
Post by: Hanabata on March 29, 2019, 01:48:40 PM
Wow, I posted about this literally about 1 1/2 minutes after you lol.  Topic wasn't there prior to my posting.  If a mod wants to delete mine, please do so.

Judge Benitez rendered his opinion late Friday afternoon and handed Second Amendment supporters a sweeping victory by completely invalidating California’s 10-round limit on magazine capacity. “Individual liberty and freedom are not outmoded concepts,” he declared.
Friday’s order prohibits California from enforcing its magazine restrictions, leaving its law-abiding residents safer and freer, at least for the time being.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190329/breaking-federal-court-finds-california-magazine-ban-violates-the-second-amendment

Great! Not that Hawaii lawmakers care about the Bill of Rights, so it'll probably never happen here.
Title: Re: Calornia magazine ban ruling
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2019, 02:06:01 PM
So CA can now use standard pistol/rifle mags?

I bet Hawaii doing a CA and calling them saying no challenge cause if it wins in the 9th then Hawaii gets to use standard pistol mags too.

CA gonna tell them to screw off because they allowed Young to go to the 9th also.
Title: Re: Calornia magazine ban ruling
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 29, 2019, 02:13:52 PM
Interesting read about the 1st story the doc tells.  The woman shot at the intruders, but ran out of ammo (10rd or less mag).  She was unable to reload.  Remaining criminal was able to shoot her.  We all know a 22 cal semi auto pistol can hold more than 10 rounds. 42 rounds total fired.  So 10 were from her, that means the criminals fired 32 rounds between them.

This is also why I keep a spare mag where ever my pistol is laying.  Mrs. CMO always ask why I have a spare mags in random spots in the home.  Told her I got tired of relocating them when I move the gun.  Easier to just move 1 gun instead of 1 gun and 1 mag and 1 OC spray.
Title: Re: Calornia magazine ban ruling
Post by: 6716J on March 29, 2019, 02:39:03 PM
So CA can now use standard pistol/rifle mags?

I bet Hawaii doing a CA and calling them saying no challenge cause if it wins in the 9th then Hawaii gets to use standard pistol mags too.

CA gonna tell them to screw off because they allowed Young to go to the 9th also.

CA will probably file for an immediate emergency injunction "for the children".... That way while the law is on hold, it's still in effect and nobody can have over a 10 round magazine until it's decided.

One has to wonder why the lemmings in CA and others wish to spend millions on lawsuits and only see more restrictions placed upon themselves and higher taxes as the end result. But I digress here in the PRHi.
Title: Re: Calornia magazine ban ruling
Post by: Mdotweber on March 29, 2019, 02:45:46 PM
Now we just need more constitutionist judges appointed to the ninth,then this game really gets rolling.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: changemyoil66 on March 30, 2019, 07:40:30 AM
Boating trips this weekend increasing. Its a miracle. Everyone found their standard mags they lost in a boating accident.

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Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: 6716J on March 30, 2019, 10:01:23 PM
Boating trips this weekend increasing. Its a miracle. Everyone found their standard mags they lost in a boating accident.

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Just not in Hawaii.  But Lake Tahoe water level dropped 3 feet

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Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: Heavies on March 31, 2019, 09:04:45 AM
Got an email from a few online vendors proclaiming sale of standard cap mags to Cali was a go.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: jase90 on March 31, 2019, 10:06:46 AM
Talked to my cousin that lives in Mera Mesa. He drove to Vegas this weekend and bought nearly $1k in magazines because some online dealers are still getting clearance from their attorneys apparently. He couldn't wait lol.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on March 31, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
Just not in Hawaii.  But Lake Tahoe water level dropped 3 feet

Climate Change!!   :rofl:
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: London808 on March 31, 2019, 12:03:15 PM
They only have till monday tho.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: RSN172 on March 31, 2019, 12:47:42 PM
Arms Unltd has ads specifically targeting CA buyers saying they can now ship standard capacity and high capacity mags to CA.  Glock 9mm 21 rd mags were $15.95 if you bought 5 or more.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: robtmc on April 03, 2019, 08:07:26 PM
Got an email from a few online vendors proclaiming sale of standard cap mags to Cali was a go.
Got some emails as well.  Wonder how that is working, some small window of opportunity?
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: tillamook on April 03, 2019, 08:19:30 PM
brownells has sold 350,000 mags
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=22838082
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 04, 2019, 05:45:49 PM
So now same judge says wait a minute.

Someone got to him...

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Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: Mdotweber on April 04, 2019, 07:20:03 PM
Too early to tell what's going on, reading a lot of different possible reasons why he did it. The judge knew his injunction wouldn't last, he is able to control the narrative now. Around one million standard cap mags in circulation in CA from this last week. The sheer amount of mags in the hands of the people will be impossible to police, also no way to differentiate when the mags came into the state.  Retailers in Ca will still be able sell what thet have left after 5:00pm tomorrow.. like I said earlier no way to tell when the mags came int state, unless the gestapo want to do check points at every crossing(wouldn't put it past them).
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: eyeeatingfish on April 04, 2019, 09:29:52 PM
So now same judge says wait a minute.

Someone got to him...

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Thats why I wasn't going to hold my breath on that one.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 04, 2019, 10:16:35 PM
Thats why I wasn't going to hold my breath on that one.
At lest they got a taste of freedom, if only for a few days.

And glad to see CA has a grandfather clause. Not like hawaii.

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Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: Mdotweber on April 04, 2019, 10:33:09 PM
Definetly some 4D chess kinda stuff going on, check out the last page of the ruling. All in all the people of California are better off this week than they were before.


http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/2019-04-04-Order-Staying-in-Part-Judgment-Pending-Appeal.pdf
 
Title: Re: Calornia magazine ban ruling
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 05, 2019, 09:11:12 AM
Now we just need more constitutionist judges appointed to the ninth,then this game really gets rolling.

Trump is working on this an across the nation.  Tons of judges he nominated, but fake news was focused on Kav and such.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: Mdotweber on April 05, 2019, 09:21:02 AM
yup the old slight of hand :thumbsup:
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: 2ahavvaii on April 05, 2019, 11:51:14 AM
honestly his biggest accomplismnet this term might be adjusting the makeup of the supreme court and circuit courts.  Though I would like to add that my viewpoint is that these judges should not be "liberal" or "conservative" but uphold the constitution and not pursue their own personal agendas.  The 9th circus is a laughingstock because of how blatantly they ignore the constitution.

The democrats screwed up big time during obama administration when they first decided to use the "nuclear option" to ram obama's liberal justices through the senate.  Mconnell later used this precedent to do the same for supreme court nominations. If another supreme court justice retires, it for sure will set the tone for the supreme court and lower courts for decades to come.  And all of this was for some short term win by obama


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The 9th Circuit is so notorious among congressional Republicans that as recently as the last Congress, they held hearings to consider splitting up the circuit geographically, on the premise its rulings, which once applied to a reported 4 percent of the country, now cover 20 percent of Americans — too much liberal influence, perhaps.

But that’s about to change. Once the president’s current 9th Circuit nominees are confirmed, there will be 12 GOP appointees among the court’s 29 full-time judges with one vacancy left for the president to fill. Almost half of the bench will lean right. Thanks to Trump, the liberal 9th Circuit will be liberal no more.

quote is article by the liberal wapo.  And they're slightly exaggerating/lying because 12/29 is still much less than half.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/02/28/thanks-trump-liberal-ninth-circuit-is-no-longer-liberal/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9ed12444b8d2
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: punaperson on April 05, 2019, 12:22:44 PM
quote is article by the liberal wapo.  And they're slightly exaggerating/lying because 12/29 is still much less than half.
Two things: Yeah, the math on that is that the Dem appointees hold a 42% advantage in votes and the odds of being selected to a three judge panel. The other thing is that some of the Repub nominees are either of questionable value to us, or known to be useless. For example Trump appointed former Hawaii AG Mark Bennett. He's no friend of gun rights, or many other rights, as is reflected in the fact that while Hirono was trying to get Kavanaugh to the guillotine, both she and Schatz voted to confirm "Republican" Bennett. You think two of the furthest left members of the Senate voted for some guy who will uphold a Scalia/Thomas/ Alito perspective on the Second Amendment? Garbage.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on April 05, 2019, 12:37:04 PM
So now same judge says wait a minute.

Someone got to him...

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(https://i.imgur.com/3hUJkKy.png)

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/2019-04-04-Order-Staying-in-Part-Judgment-Pending-Appeal.pdf
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: changemyoil66 on April 05, 2019, 12:44:34 PM
"Officer I did not order standard mags from (enter online company).  That box that came in was for a free T-shirt that I won.  All existing mags you may see/find have been bought legally from after the court ruling, but before 5pm today."
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: drck1000 on April 05, 2019, 01:26:14 PM
Have seen and bunch of CA mag sale emails. “Hundo-packs” for prettt good prices. Some seem to have been late to the game though.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: rpoL98 on February 05, 2020, 01:22:53 PM
given the current proposed 10rd mag law, HB1902, SB 2519, I guess this is the fall-back hope?  status update anybody?
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: 6716J on February 05, 2020, 02:04:53 PM
given the current proposed 10rd mag law, HB1902, SB 2519, I guess this is the fall-back hope?  status update anybody?
https://michellawyers.com/duncan-v-becerra/
U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit (re Motion for Summary Judgment)
Filing Date   Filing Party   Document Description
1/19/2020   Court   Docket Entry: Notice of Oral Argument on Thursday, April 2, 2020 – 09:00 A.M. – Courtroom 3 – Pasadena CA.
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: 6716J on February 10, 2020, 02:41:06 PM
Investing in 458 SOCOM mags now

(https://i.redd.it/a2vjy9p52s421.jpg)
Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: Charles Nichols on February 12, 2020, 06:00:22 PM
Investing in 458 SOCOM mags now

(https://i.redd.it/a2vjy9p52s421.jpg)

There are millions of morons out there who would believe your post and act on it.  No judge or prosecutor is going to treat a banned magazine as legal because one changed the label anymore than they would treat a Thompson submachine gun as a musical instrument if it is put in a violin case.

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Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: 6716J on February 12, 2020, 06:48:55 PM
Short but good article on magazine capacity

https://gunculture2point0.wordpress.com/2015/11/28/gary-kleck-on-the-effect-of-large-capacity-magazines-on-the-casualty-counts-in-mass-shootings/

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Title: Re: California magazine ban ruling
Post by: 6716J on February 12, 2020, 06:56:44 PM
There are millions of morons out there who would believe your post and act on it.  No judge or prosecutor is going to treat a banned magazine as legal because one changed the label anymore than they would treat a Thompson submachine gun as a musical instrument if it is put in a violin case.

(https://s03.tcuniverse.com/vkmedia_store/2013/07/cYZtgR7qf7t2clYa/sizes/clean/pic_042_clean_790.jpg)
There are morons out there but it does have a point. You can only put 9 .458 rounds in it... But the other side is you can also put 12 9mm rounds in a 10 round .40 magazine. Does it make it a high capacity magazine?

So if you have a 458 upper and these magazines, would they be high capacity or 10 round maximum? And yes I know if you put any other type of round into it, it would then be a different capacity.

Different calibers that will fit in standard AR magazine and feed.

Double Stack:

.17 Fireball

.17 Remington

.19 Calhoun

.223 Remington

.20 Tactical

.204 Ruger

.25-223

.300-221 Fireball

.300 AAC Blackout

.375 Reaper

5.56 NATO

7mm Whisper

7.62 X 40mm

6 X 45mm

6.5 X 45mm

.257X45mm

Single Stack:

.440 Corbon (Requires mag spacer)

.458 SOCOM

.458 RMW

.50 AE (Requires mag spacer)

.50 GI (Requires mag spacer)

.50 Beowulf (Requires mag spacer)

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